Need Some Opionions, Buying Supercharger Soon

[airborne_mp84]

Ready For Supercharger..between Vorteck(rienhart) And Eaton(trilogy) Which One Is Better??

[Smokie]

Define better.:)

[BruteForce]

Don't forget ProCharger (FIT).

[airborne_mp84]

as far as quality,HP, ECT

[O's Fan Rich]

No.... no ..... must resist....

[MM03MOK]

:welcome: airborne.....

Come to our annual national meet in less than two weeks in Hagerstown and see supercharged Marauders of all kinds yourself.

Here's the registration thread.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36156

http://mv5.eventbrite.com/ (http://mv5.eventbrite.com/)

[airborne_mp84]

Or Are There Any Advantages Or Disatvantages Between Eaton And Vorteck

[MM03MOK]

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35800

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31979

The Search feature is your friend.

[fastblackmerc]

It all depends on what your looking for your MM.

Trilogy - roots type blower - looks factory & lotsa low-end torque.

Reinhart, FIT, etc. - blower hangs on the front of the engine - more high-end torque.

[Pat]

How much does each kit cost and is that important?
How much does installation cost? How involved is the installation?
How much does the retune cost? Is a reputable tuner near by?
Does the Kit come with a tuner or tune file?
How much does repair parts cost? What is the reliability of each type S/C.
Does additions of an S/C make other maintenance task more expensive? What shop(s) would take on repair task of an S/C'd MM?

The answers to these questions depend on your budget and mechancial ability, tools and/or shop facilities near you.

[Cobra25]

Being thats a Loaded question around here, Here is what you might want too do. Call all 3 Vendors ( Trilogy, FIT & Mr. Reinhart) and ask them about the Kits they offer only. Then try to speak too a few members by PM who have the different kits and see how they feel about what they have.Take your time ,get all the info and do whats best for your self.

[DEFYANT]

Ready For Supercharger..between Vorteck(rienhart) And Eaton(trilogy) Which One Is Better??

Trilogy is better.

[sailsmen]

My opinon is I like mine.:D It is all in how you and your tuner set it up to meet your goals.

I drive the car like a little "Church Lady" and then take her to the track to surprise a lot of people.:banana2:

The dealer does some of the maintenance and all the warranty work.

[RCSignals]

If you wait a little longer there will be yet another choice, a Lysholm twin screw from Trilogy.

decisions decisions.

[MADRODER]

If you wait a little longer there will be yet another choice, a Lysholm twin screw from Trilogy.

decisions decisions.

I really don't know that much about S/C's other than the basics but i found this article quite interesting........

http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/ford-techinfo/AUTOROTORvsLYSHOLM.pdf

[RF Overlord]

airborne, both the centrifugal and the Roots styles have plusses and minuses and this article (http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_0412_ford_modular_motor_f orced_induction/index.html) may help you decide which type is best for your needs.

We have two excellent supercharger vendors here who can provide everything you need, including installation and tuning.

[MarauderTJA]

Trilogy is better.

:hmmm: >>>:thinker:>>>:tmi:

[MarauderMark]

i asked this and wound up with no direct answer.i have vortech and it cost me over $20k.:dunno:

[RF Overlord]

Mark, that's because there IS no direct answer to the question "which one is better?"...it all depends on what you want out of it. If you want the absolute most power. like for drag racing, then the centrifugal is generally the better choice, especially in a lighter car (like a Mustang). However, if you want a more OEM look, or need your power to come on immediately and don't care about max power at higher RPMs, the a Roots (Eaton) may be the better choice. Again, it all depends on the application, although some of it is personal preference.

[RCSignals]

I really don't know that much about S/C's other than the basics but i found this article quite interesting........

http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/ford-techinfo/AUTOROTORvsLYSHOLM.pdf

That's a little bit of marketing smoke and mirrors, since if you dig a little more you'll find Autorotor is Lysholm.

here is one link. You'll find many more


http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/content.asp?PageID=80

[bigal614]

Will that fit under a MM hood though?????

[merc]

Mark, that's because there IS no direct answer to the question "which one is better?"...it all depends on what you want out of it. If you want the absolute most power. like for drag racing, then the centrifugal is generally the better choice, especially in a lighter car (like a Mustang). However, if you want a more OEM look, or need your power to come on immediately and don't care about max power at higher RPMs, the a Roots (Eaton) may be the better choice. Again, it all depends on the application, although some of it is personal preference.

Wow, RF that is about as neutral as a broken gear box. Looks more "O.E.M." was one of your statements. Let's not generalize the conversation. We are taking about a 4400-pound car and the engineering of the components to make it move. Not all kits are the same regardless of the way they bring boost to you stock motor. The playing field is this, most agree that 450-rear wheel horse power is the max (safe) on stock internals. If your goal is to drag race identify the bracket you would like to race in and make sure you have traction to get you out of the hole. If you are looking for the stop light racing bang for the buck start with investigating rear gears and exhaust mods. It sounds like you are in the Washington Metro Area. So attend a C.A.M. event and check out the heavy metal. I am sure you will get first hand advice on making your dreams come alive. :burnout:

[RCSignals]

Will that fit under a MM hood though?????

Will what fit?

[bigal614]

Will the Whipple fit under our hood?

[Zack]

Leave it stock, but add a bunch of bolt-ons!

[RF Overlord]

Looks more "O.E.M." was one of your statements. Let's not generalize the conversation. I stand behind that statement. How many Fords do you know of that came from the factory with a centrifugal blower?

[merc]

I stand behind that statement. How many Fords do you know of that came from the factory with a centrifugal blower?

One that I know of.

[tmac1337]

Trilogy is better.

But PROCHARGER, or any centrifugal for that matter, is BEST!

[RCSignals]

I stand behind that statement. How many Fords do you know of that came from the factory with a centrifugal blower?

1957 Supercharged 312 cars and Thunderbird only as far as I know

[RCSignals]

Will the Whipple fit under our hood?

Well, the upcoming Trilogy twin screw was engineered to fit under the hood.

Dennis R and Zack, and there might be others, have both installed Kenne Bell twin screw S/C in a Marauder and they fit under the hood (even though those kits are not Marauder specific).

[merc]

1957 Supercharged 312 cars and Thunderbird only as far as I know

Then that makes two. The 1966 Shelby Mustang 350 had a Paxton supercharger.

http://www.paxtonauto.com/history.html

Manufacturers love hypereutectic pistons because they don't expand. That means tighter bore clearances, better cold ring seal, and a quieter engine. However, brittle hypereutectic pistons end up in the pan when subject to heavy pressure. While stock-powdered metal rods work in boost applications, they don't work so well with boost figures over 10 pounds. My point is to have fun but don't push the limits of your car unless you like seeing your mechanic.

Saleen manufactures limited edition, high-performance vehicles. Saleen is an automotive Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) and the last American small car manufacturer bearing OEM status.

Here is some more interesting history for you.

http://www.vs57.com/history.htm

[O's Fan Rich]

Paxton R-12 ( r2?) Studebaker Larks!!!

Buy a supercharger kit and get a PROFESSIONAL custom tune right after the install.
That's what it takes to be real happy and long lasting.

Well, that and Viagra.:o

[rumble]

One thing you will quickly notice about S/C posts.
Damn near every one likes their own supercharger. What does this mean? It means their are no bad choices. I went with the Trilogy for the same reasons RC stated, OEM looks and off the line grunt. Believe me when I say that the Cins with that air/air cooler make a lot of sense budget wise and the pro-charger will scream.

Personally, no one mod will do what adding "the force" to induction will do for our cars.

I love my Trilogy but you have to choose your own road.

Make it so...............and don't hold back

[RCSignals]

Paxton R-12 ( r2?) Studebaker Larks!!!



Yes, but they weren't from the Ford factory
;)

[RCSignals]

Then that makes two. The 1966 Shelby Mustang 350 had a Paxton supercharger.

http://www.paxtonauto.com/history.html

www.vs57.com/history.htm (http://www.vs57.com/history.htm)

Thanks for that info.

I hadn't considered those because they weren't really Ford assembly line installed.

That first link does mention the '57 Ford use, but only for the Thunderbird. In fact the Supercharger option was available as an option for any Ford passenger car or Station Wagon that year. It was also available as an option for the Ford Police Interceptor.

It's interesting the first ones were designed for use on Ford engines in 1937.

[MarauderTJA]

Well, the upcoming Trilogy twin screw was engineered to fit under the hood.

Dennis R and Zack, and there might be others, have both installed Kenne Bell twin screw S/C in a Marauder and they fit under the hood (even though those kits are not Marauder specific).

It will be interesting to see the twin screw blower from Trilogy. I would not however want to put any twin screw blower on a stock Marauder motor. That is really asking for trouble in my opinion.

[merc]

Thanks for that info.

I hadn't considered those because they weren't really Ford assembly line installed.


McCulloch's Paxton Products division, based in Los Angeles, California, signed a one-year contract with Ford to supply its variable-ratio, oil-cooled, centrifugal VR57 supercharger exclusively for the 312-cu.in. Ford V-8 in 1957. Paxton delivered between 100 and 125 VR57 Phase I superchargers to Ford in December 1956 to meet NASCAR's homologation rules, according to Moody. Twelve D-code Thunderbirds and an unknown number of passenger cars built in January 1957 received the Phase I superchargers, identified by the large clamp used to hold the two halves together.

http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/2006/01/01/hmn_feature9.html

The McCulloch-Ford contract expired in September or October of 1957, after factory-involved racing took two big hits: NASCAR's April 1957 decision to ban superchargers and fuel injection from its tracks and the Automobile Manufacturers Association's June 1957 decision to end all direct factory participation in racing. Thus, the F-code Thunderbirds lasted just one year.

ONE OF THE ORIGINAL 11 PAXTON SUPERCHARGED CARS BUILT BY CARROLL SHELBY.
http://www.classicdreamcars.com/66shelbyeng2.JPG

[Marauder386]

My 2 cents ? I am interested in all the SuperChargers that are available for our Marauders...I am going to TRY to put one of each on the cars except for RoadPig 4. The mileage is so low on her that she will forever remain in her stock configuration ... wish me luck ...

8)

[RCSignals]

airborne, have you bought one yet?

If you are looking Vortech, DR came out with a less expensive non-intercooled version around the beginning of the year.
I think he's sold af ew, maybe those who have them can chime in how much they like the performance of this version.

[cyclopsram]

Oh no, not another supercharger thread...order more hard drive space..gonna need it...there is a week's reading already on the server.. and the Big Show will have all three styles showing off and finding other weak links in the drivelines...

[KillJoy]

I have a Vortech and I like it.

Others have a FIT, and they like it.

Still, others have Trilogy's and like them as well.

What does this mean?

Just pick one and buy it!

IMO - The Vortech SEEMED easier to install than the Trilogy would, as the Intake Manifold did not require removal.

The Trilogy looks like a stock s/c (like a baby lightning engine bay :D). They make most of their power lower in the Revs. They are quiet. They use a self contained oil.

The Vortech DOES NOT look stock IMO. You can definately hear it at the stop light. Power is made higher in the power band. Oil is fed from the Oil Pan of the engine (a plus in my book).

I would assume most of the Vortech traits hold true for the FIT. EXCEPT the FIT (Procharger) uses a self contained oil. I THINK they are louder than the Vortechs due to gear design.

KillJoy

[RCSignals]

I was just musing how many S/C options there are now.

From FIT KI think it's one Procharger air to air

From DR there are three, a Vortech water to air, and air to air, and a non-IC.

From Trilogy there are two, an Eaton IC and soon twin screw IC,

I think there is or was one more vendor (not thinking of the K-B Marauders)?

That about it?

[fastblackmerc]

I was just musing how many S/C options there are now.

From FIT KI think it's one Procharger air to air

From DR there are three, a Vortech water to air, and air to air, and a non-IC.

From Trilogy there are two, an Eaton IC and soon twin screw IC,

I think there is or was one more vendor (not thinking of the K-B Marauders)?

That about it?
Pro Turbo Systems.

http://www.proturbokits.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=78