Quick question

[offroadkarter]

On the left side of the steering wheel, the 300b's have 2 switches, but on the 300A, there are none. Now the car im looking at has 1, and the description says it has traction control, so what is the other "missing" switch for?

[Raudermaster]

If it's a hybrid, it will have foot pedal adjust, and T/C. The A's just have foot pedal, and B's have both.

[grzellmer]

If it has 1 switch (300A), it is for the pedal adjust. Somebody is mistaken, No Traction Control.

[offroadkarter]

Good, then i should be able to knock the price down another grand for them lying to me! :D


at least i can adjust the pedals

[Raudermaster]

Unless it is a hybrid! Then you will look like a fool!

[quota]

The models destinated to the Canadian market have got the 2 switches : Foot pedal adjust (the one on the left) AND T-C (the one on the right) . Mine is an early 2003 and must be an "A" model as according to your norms. But it features both switches...so no hasty conclusion...just try to get the confirmation, with a picture, about the function of that stand alone switch on the car at which you are looking.

[mrjones]

I thought all MM's got at least one switch for the adjustable pedals.

[Raudermaster]

Yes they did, the A's. Or like I stated, if it's a hybrid cross between an A/B it will have both.

[offroadkarter]

http://images.cars.com/supersized/DMI/154045/3273.03.jpg

"Features: ABS, Air Conditioning, Alarm, Alloy Wheels, AM/FM Radio, Bucket Seating, Cassette Radio, CD Changer, Cruise Control, Driver-Side Airbag, Leather Interior, **Low Mileage**, One Owner, Passenger-Side AirBag, Power Locks, Power Mirrors, Power Seats, Power Steering, Power Windows, Radial Tires, Rear Window Defroster, Remote Alarm Control, Remote Keyless Entry, Tilt Wheel, Tinted Glass, Traction Control"

They are LIARS! I dont own a marauder but i figured out "now" that they are liars!

[offroadkarter]

Where is the switch for the butt warmers? Is it on the door?

[quota]

Yes, on each front door close to the seat adjustment commands.

[quota]

They might be lying about the T-C.
BUT it it remains that if you like driving and if you want - and are capable - to enjoy the full power of your car, one of your first move after starting the engine would be to switch the T-C off !
Actually, during the last winter, I probably did not switch it off on my MGM LSE (my daily drive) 2 or 3 times only. I live in Quebec where winters are real. Fact is that this T-C seems quite useless and its presence or absence SHOULD NOT BE a major factor for a buying decision. But this is personal...
JP

[offroadkarter]

Well im not to worried about wanting it as i could add it if i wanted to, i'd just like to get a marauder never the less, which is why this Saturday im gonna go look at that one. Better not be sold!

[RF Overlord]

On the left side of the steering wheel, the 300b's have 2 switches, but on the 300A, there are none. Now the car im looking at has 1, and the description says it has traction control, so what is the other "missing" switch for?ALL Marauders have adjustable pedals, so there will always be at least one switch. Only the 300B models in the US received traction control. Many people confuse the Trak-Lok rear axle (Ford's version of limited slip), which all Marauders have, with Traction Control, the electronic braking and engine management system.
im not to worried about wanting it as i could add it if i wanted toIt's not that easy. Adding traction control is not just a matter of installing the missing switch. You need to have the correct PCM and ABS module programming. I haven't heard of anyone who's successfully done it.

[Blackened300a]

For you guys with a 300A, pop the panel off with the pedal adjustment switch, Inside you'll find 2 plugs, One plugs into the switch the second plugs into a dead spot on the panel.
Is it possible the wiring is there and it just needs a few added parts to make the T/C work?

[RF Overlord]

Is it possible the wiring is there and it just needs a few added parts to make the T/C work?No, that's been tried (not by me). The PCM and ABS programming aren't there.

[Raudermaster]

If this car is designated an A, with ALL the features of an A, that one button is adjustable pedals, and NO T/C.

[SID210SA]

Okay,,,I am confused.....I thought all Marauders have the Trac-lok (LSD) stated earlier in this thread, which was to prevent you from doing the one wheel peel and that all Marauders had Traction control and the the B's had the ability to turn it off with the second switch ( the T/C button)

Mike

[Dragcity]

Sid,

I think you have it backwards. The T/C swithch "allows" us to turn it off, but always starts with it on. The Marauders with out the switch, does not have traction control, so nothing to turn off.

[SID210SA]

So the Maruaders with out the switch can spin the tires all day long?

[offroadkarter]

So the Maruaders with out the switch can spin the tires all day long?


Indeed :burnout:

[Dragcity]

It's simply an extra step we must take after ignition, prior to take-off

[offroadkarter]

For you guys with a 300A, pop the panel off with the pedal adjustment switch, Inside you'll find 2 plugs, One plugs into the switch the second plugs into a dead spot on the panel.
Is it possible the wiring is there and it just needs a few added parts to make the T/C work?


Last time i put up a thread about marauders, i was told it is possible to add T/C by swapping the ABS box with the ABS/Traction control unit, and wiring in the switch. This is what i was told awhile ago, so i dont know if i worded those parts right, but i think you get what im saying.

[Raudermaster]

I don't see why you would want T/C anyway, just another P.I.T.A and a hassle to deal with if you intend to put winter rims on. Plus, no T/C is much more fun. ;)

[SID210SA]

Cool....thanks for the input....but personally since I live in a mainly dry climate, when it comes time for the rain and all the oils are built up on the streets and makes it real slick when the wet stuff does come down, I am glad that I have the Traction Control

[offroadkarter]

I don't see why you would want T/C anyway, just another P.I.T.A and a hassle to deal with if you intend to put winter rims on. Plus, no T/C is much more fun. ;)


That is very very true


Cool....thanks for the input....but personally since I live in a mainly dry climate, when it comes time for the rain and all the oils are built up on the streets and makes it real slick when the wet stuff does come down, I am glad that I have the Traction Control


Yet that is also a good point.

Yet with traction control or w/o, if i hit a 3ft bank of snow im not getting out, the way my town plows our streets, ill be spinning the tires all the way to school. It seems like everyone does, who knew driving on a 2" sheet of snow would leave you w/o traction :shake:

[MERCMAN]

That can't be a true :A:

I don't see the front seat map pockets.

[offroadkarter]

That can't be a true :A:

I don't see the front seat map pockets.


Could they be ordered w/o them?

[offroadkarter]

Wait arent they the leather pockets on the front of the seats?

http://images.cars.com/supersized/DMI/154045/3273.04.jpg

[Raudermaster]

Yes they are, but from the other picture you can't see them. No they couldn't have been ordered without them.

[MM03MOK]

Could they be ordered w/o them?No


Wait arent they the leather pockets on the front of the seats?

http://images.cars.com/supersized/DMI/154045/3273.04.jpg
Yes, but they were deleted on later models.

[PSG]

offroadcart, look at the mats in that car, unless the previous owner wore soccer cleats everyday, that mat wouldn't be worn through on a low milage car

[racorcey]

Last time i put up a thread about marauders, i was told it is possible to add T/C by swapping the ABS box with the ABS/Traction control unit, and wiring in the switch. This is what i was told awhile ago, so i dont know if i worded those parts right, but i think you get what im saying.

I looked into this myself about 2 years ago, when I had a 2003 P72 and thought about adding T/C. Being a car person and an engineer, I normally will take on this kind of project, but this time, I talked myself out of it.

Here's why.....

Fortunately, in addition to researching it myself, I had access to some good parts people near me that I can depend on.

What I found....

(1) as noted earlier - PCM programming is needed, AND a different model ABS module.

(2) two new brake pipes....as it turns out, the master cylinder-to-ABS hydraulic feeds are reversed from a non-ABS unit.

(3) and finally, the brake vacuum booster is different....not dramatically, but it is a different version. This one threw me for a loop.

Anyway, it's not impossible to do, but practically speaking, not realisitic. A good junk yard set of parts might be more doable, but a member of this community is not likely to do this.

[Bluerauder]

Where is the switch for the butt warmers? Is it on the door?

Yep, like this. Heated seat button is the one on the left (horizontal). BTW- My foot pedal adjust button is "brand new" -- never been used in the nearly 4 years that I've had the car.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/1/8/9/1/MarauderDoor.jpg

[finster101]

Cool....thanks for the input....but personally since I live in a mainly dry climate, when it comes time for the rain and all the oils are built up on the streets and makes it real slick when the wet stuff does come down, I am glad that I have the Traction Control


Don't confuse Traction Control with Antilock Brakes. traction control work to control wheel spin in accel. and anti lock on stopping. Traction is much easier to maintain with the pedal than stopping quickly.