Torque converter though Jegs or Summit

[Motorhead350]

I contacted Flordia and they currently do not have anything in the 3,500 stall and might not be for a few weeks. Is there another model I can buy though Jegs, Summit or anything like that? I want something on and installed within a week. Please let me know.

[RF Overlord]

Dom, why do you want such a high stall in a street-driven blower car?

[Haggis]

Dom, why do you want such a high stall in a street-driven blower car?

I have one in mine.

I did not know you were a Dr. Who fan.

[KillJoy]

I contacted Flordia and they currently do not have anything in the 3,500 stall and might not be for a few weeks. Is there another model I can buy though Jegs, Summit or anything like that? I want something on and installed within a week. Please let me know.

Dominick...you need to learn how to slow down... SERIOUSLY. You do not need to get EVERYTHING THIS MINUTE RIGHT NOW - MUST GET NOW.

:shake:

KillJoy

[Zack]

Dom, why do you want such a high stall in a street-driven blower car?

Because you hardly notice the difference and the gains are substantial

[Raudermaster]

I'll sell you my PI 3k for $650 that's brand new in the box.

[RF Overlord]

Because you hardly notice the difference and the gains are substantialI didn't ask my question correctly...what I meant was to ask why he needed a 3500 stall converter in such a hurry instead of a 3000, like most people seem to have. Does 500 RPM really make that much difference?

[RF Overlord]

I did not know you were a Dr. Who fan.I'm not a fan, I'm actually the other surviving Time Lord.

[Zack]

I didn't ask my question correctly...what I meant was to ask why he needed a 3500 stall converter in such a hurry instead of a 3000, like most people seem to have. Does 500 RPM really make that much difference?

Night and day

[ctrlraven]

Zack can you explain the night and day difference because I got a 3500 instead of a 3000.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

There is a guy on Ebay who, for $550, will make a 9.5" with billet cover, to any stall spec you want 2500-6500. I am going to get one from him at some point. Just search for 4R70W converter, and I think the company is Edge Racing. They have a whole bunch of lesser stock sized converters, but the 9.5/10" $550.00 is the made to order one.

[Jon01]

You might want to do some further research with regards to the ebay converter, you don't want to get into something much less efficient that will just heat the fluid up and cause problems like this guy is having:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=37522

Check out Yank's site, some good info to know...
http://www.converter.cc/tech_talk/tech_main.htm

OP-Yank does make a 4000 stall for mach's, I'm sure they can tighten it up for your use. They aren't cheap but you're getting a GOOD converter.
You won't be able to say that with a TCI or something from Summit/Jegs. And it's something that if it takes a dump it will likely at minimum take your trans with it.

Edit-Here's another good site, http://www.fuddleracing.com/default.asp they have a great rep around LSx's and seem to really stand behind their products.
They're also running a special on Ford converters right now-http://www.fuddleracing.com/FordSpecials.html

[BLACKMARAUDER04]

Why Not Order One From REINHART, A Vendor Here On Our Site.

[ctrlraven]

Get in on Dennis's Group Buy!

Just like what is said in DR's torque converter GB thread "You get what you paid for!". A part like a torque converter isn't a part you want to get all cheap azz on, save a little extra money and get the better product. $550 to $750 isn't that much. I didn't even think twice about getting something else besides a PI.



And find out you shall...

Taken Directly from PI website: http://www.converter.com/truth_prices.htm


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THE TRUTH ABOUT TORQUE CONVERTER PRICES
When talking about high performance street car torque converters a subject that is talked about a lot is price. The people who like low prices make statements like “You get a lot of bang for the buck”. The people who will pay more make statements like “You only get what you pay for”. Well I think both people are correct to some degree. The low priced person might not like the sound or the feel of the “bang” when he gets it and the higher price payer might not know if he is getting what he paid for. The “Johnny come lately” high performance street torque converter companies are all trying to get in this market. They look at our products that our customers are buying and want a piece of the so-called “gravy” as they see it. Some of these companies manufacture their own torque converters and some have a stock torque converter rebuilder build their product. These last vendors and their rebuilding companies know nothing about race torque converters or high performance street torque converters and must be thinking there is a “sucker born every minute”. If you investigate their product line you will find that most of their line is regutted stock torque converters! They jump in talking BS and throwing around low prices making statements like “just as good as” or “our quality is second to none” all things they cannot backup. The other amazing part is most of the companies coming from the racing industry side of torque converter building have spent 10, 20 or even 30 years and still do not have a majority share of their own market. Now they are coming to the high performance street converter side of the business to jump in and try to grab market share with a product of less quality and performance. Some of these newcomers will disappear quickly and some will hang on like a bad cold but in the end if any of these newbies are going to survive on this side of the business they will have to invest in quality, research and development. Some of the new comers are buying our products and trying to copy the technology but without R&D and knowing the engineering dynamics of torque converter technology they are doomed to always being 2-3 steps behind. You cannot use existing OEM parts such as stock covers, clutches, lining, hubs, etc. and get a quality part that will operate correctly and dependably in a high performance street torque converter. Our competitors use these types of parts and are charging $500-$700 (more for a higher stall) for a mostly stock 4 or 6 cylinder torque converter. There is no possible way this product is worth any more than $250-$300. I hear and read comments of how Precision Industries torque converters are over priced and Joe Blows torque converter is just as good. These people know about as much about high performance street torque converters as the young man flipping hamburgers at McDonalds. Don’t feel bad most people that build torque converters for a living don’t know any more about torque converters than the people making the above statements. The only way the buying public learns about high performance street torque converters is by what is said by some self proclaimed expert or written in the forums on the Internet. This education is like asking a person filing for bankruptcy how to get rich. If you want to know the real facts about torque converters then call the people that manufacture them and don’t depend on someone who thinks he knows torque converters because he bought one for his or her car.
To prove my point I made earlier let us dissect the price of a Precision Industries LS1 single plate torque converter and see who is paying too much, Mr. Low or Mr. High. A Precision Industries high performance street torque converter sells on average from $699-$750 through most of our dealer network. Precision Industries uses a billet cover, which we manufacture from scratch (most of our competitors do not have this capability) for a cost of around $200. I know the no experienced experts are going to say “no way” does it cost that much but it does. This is why our competitors do not want to use them. They all say, “It is to much money”. Now let us just remove the cost of this one item and look at what the price of a Precision Industries LS1 high performance street torque converter would sell for. We will have to add the cost of a welded up stock cover because these do cost money to make. I estimated the cost to be $29-$33 for Precision Industries to make one like those used by most lower priced companies. Lets subtract $200 (billet cover) from $750 (dealer selling price), and then add $33 (competitors front cover). This would make our Precision Industries LS1 high performance street torque converter sell for $583. This is about the price of our low priced competitors. But remember, our Precision Industries LS1 high performance street torque converter still has the 1. Special lockup clutch 2. Special clutch lining 3. Special turbine hub 4. Special braced turbine 5. Special impeller hub mount not counting other differences. I ask you in all honesty “WHO IS PAYING TO MUCH NOW?”









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I have PI 3000 and LOVE IT!!!!

[RCSignals]

I think Hughes makes one for '05 and newer Mustangs but not sure of the fit to a MM

[RCSignals]

I'm not a fan, I'm actually the other surviving Time Lord.

I knew that

[Zack]

Zack can you explain the night and day difference because I got a 3500 instead of a 3000.

You did well.

I was referring to noticeable performance.
Driveability is the same between the 2.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

You might want to do some further research with regards to the ebay converter, you don't want to get into something much less efficient that will just heat the fluid up and cause problems like this guy is having:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forum...ad.php?t=37522 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=37522) Jon, that "other guy" who is having the overheating problems w /his trans IS USING A PI. LOL. So much for that example.

Most of the time the inefficient high stall converters are built using large stock cases. A 9.5" stalling only in the 3000-3500 range is going to be by nature a lot more efficient than the stock case 3000-3500 converters. I'd trust it. I promised myself I would not start modding this car though so if I keep my promise I won't be able to tell you how the converter I was looking at performs. If I keep my promise ... oh dear

[Dennis Reinhart]

I contacted Flordia and they currently do not have anything in the 3,500 stall and might not be for a few weeks. Is there another model I can buy though Jegs, Summit or anything like that? I want something on and installed within a week. Please let me know.


I can have one at your door in three days, if you want to pay that kind of shipping.

[Motorhead350]

I can have one at your door in three days, if you want to pay that kind of shipping.

I would rather buy something through you, but whoever answered the phone said you didn't have anything right now. If you can have something at my door by wed next week I'm game. Just let me know and I will order.

[ctrlraven]

Good choice Dominic, you will enjoy it. Just make sure you get a re-tune for it to take full advantage of it.

[Motorhead350]

Good choice Dominick, you will enjoy it. Just make sure you get a re-tune for it to take full advantage of it.

Darn. Now I'll have to set a different time for a dyno tune. I was going to have the car tuned on tuesday and have the converter put in wed night. I guess I need everything asap because I'm driving to the Dream Cruise friday morning. :o

[ctrlraven]

You did well.

I was referring to noticeable performance.
Driveability is the same between the 2.

Oh ok, thanks Zack, glad I get your blessing lol.

[Jon01]

First off I wasn't trying to direct him away from DR, I was of the impression he had checked there and Dennis wasn't an option for his timeframe.
With a 3 day delivery that would be the way I would go for sure!


Jon, that "other guy" who is having the overheating problems w /his trans IS USING A PI. LOL. So much for that example.

Most of the time the inefficient high stall converters are built using large stock cases. A 9.5" stalling only in the 3000-3500 range is going to be by nature a lot more efficient than the stock case 3000-3500 converters. I'd trust it. I promised myself I would not start modding this car though so if I keep my promise I won't be able to tell you how the converter I was looking at performs. If I keep my promise ... oh dear

I'm well aware he's using a PI, a fairly well known and respected manufacturer. What is your point? You'd trust an ebay converter over one of theirs?

The brand was not the point of that link. A loose converter heating the fluid to the point of transmission damage was, and it's something that needs to be kept in mind when doing that kind of swap.
Honestly, that's the only reason I haven't put one in mine, I drive it daily and don't want to have to watch the trans temp gauge any more than I already do.
You are correct, smaller case converters to tend to be more efficient but efficiency is determined by much more than case size.
I'm not going to argue the issue but if you want to risk your trans to something bought and sold on ebay when a known good alternative is available for a couple hundred(if that!) more then that is your choice.
I'll stick with something known to be a solid product.

[larryo340]

First off I wasn't trying to direct him away from DR, I was of the impression he had checked there and Dennis wasn't an option for his timeframe.
With a 3 day delivery that would be the way I would go for sure!



I'm well aware he's using a PI, a fairly well known and respected manufacturer. What is your point? You'd trust an ebay converter over one of theirs?

The brand was not the point of that link. A loose converter heating the fluid to the point of transmission damage was, and it's something that needs to be kept in mind when doing that kind of swap.
Honestly, that's the only reason I haven't put one in mine, I drive it daily and don't want to have to watch the trans temp gauge any more than I already do.
You are correct, smaller case converters to tend to be more efficient but efficiency is determined by much more than case size.
I'm not going to argue the issue but if you want to risk your trans to something bought and sold on ebay when a known good alternative is available for a couple hundred(if that!) more then that is your choice.
I'll stick with something known to be a solid product.

I agree !!
Years ago I bought a GER 9" converter of which at that time I heard good and bad stories. It was about half ($350)the money of more well known converters. Put it in and the transmission lasted one day :mad2:, and yes it was installed properly fully locked into trans. I pulled the transmission and had a friend rebuild it then bought a $750 Turbo Action 8" (tight 8 as they called it, I drove car around town) the car ran like a ***** ape. The temperature in the pan when driving normal was no more than 130-140 degrees, and when getting on it alot it climbed to 170 degrees. I had a very large TCI cooler, and deep trans pan.
The moral of the story is if it too good to be true it probably isn't. I've learned to save my pennies, and spend more for a quality tried and true part.

[Haggis]

I'm not a fan, I'm actually the other surviving Time Lord.

Well time hasn't been kind.

[RCSignals]

I'm not a fan, I'm actually the other surviving Time Lord.


Well time hasn't been kind.

Oh BURN! ...

[Motorhead350]

I just ordered one though Dennis. I can't wait! :banana2:

[Zack]

I just ordered one though Dennis. I can't wait! :banana2:

Cool, I need the $300.

[Motorhead350]

Sorry buddy, I found a someone with a lift who will do it for free and let me do it too so I can learn as I go along.

[larryo340]

Sorry buddy, I found a someone with a lift who will do it for free and let me do it too so I can learn as I go along.
Let someone who knows converters at least seat it into transmission, you don't want to learn that lesson.

[fastblackmerc]

Sorry buddy, I found a someone with a lift who will do it for free and let me do it too so I can learn as I go along.

I can almost see the posts now...........................

[ctrlraven]

I just ordered one though Dennis. I can't wait! :banana2:

3000 or 3500?

[Tony_the_Brit]

I have a 3,500 stall billet TC in my 03 CV Sport from www.bc-automotive.com - researching the subject suggested that this was a higher-quality unit than pretty much any other available. Darrin of bc is also a tranny expert and very easy to deal with. He builds custom trannys too.

[Motorhead350]

I can almost see the posts now...........................

I can too. Man that was so easy and I didn't charge myself labor. The stall is a 3,500.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Tony, thanks for another alternative. Having some options is a good thing.