Does anyone with a regular DR tune know what speed TC lockup is?

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Hi guys,

can anyone tell me what the TC lockup minimum speed is in DR's tune (ballpark). I am hoping it is not like Lidio's that won't lock the TC until 63+. I am interested in saving some gas mileage and not heating the trans up, so I want some use of the TC.

I didn't want to have to ask the board about someone else's tune, but since the seller of the tune, who sold it to me, won't tell me what I just bought, I need to know. I don't want to load this tune, with a long trip ahead of me this weekend, and unknowingly be driving with the TC unlocked the whole way.

Thanks

Steve

[magindat]

I had a DR base tune many mods ago. I think it was 43 or so under light throttle.

Lockup is tunable vs throttle position. So, usually as throttle position increases, lockup speed increases as well.

[FordNut]

Lockup is tunable vs throttle position. So, usually as throttle position increases, lockup speed increases as well.

That's the way my tune is setup. There is a table which has TP on one axis and RPM on the other. Any gear can have a TC lockup setting that is set for a specific RPM, specific TP, or variable setpoints. Mine is programmed for a slope rather than a constant, and it does lockup in both 3rd and 4th. I haven't looked recently, but I don't think it is tuned to lockup in 1st or 2nd.

[Darrin]

There are not settings available to lock it up in 1st and a lot of guys don't have them lock up in 2nd. The above guys are right about TP and lockup.

From what I have seen from driving cars on his tunes, the lockup schedule isn't a problem for what you are looking to do.

But of course the best source to ask is obviously the guy that tuned it.

Darrin

Darrin

[KillJoy]

Load the tune, drive it, and see if you can tell?????

Call Dennis and tell him to answer the question?????

:dunno:

KillJoy

[DEFYANT]

Load the tune, drive it, and see if you can tell?????

Call Dennis and tell him to answer the question?????

:dunno:

KillJoy

This could be done with a simple call. Did you call Dennis? I can't believe Lidio would not tell you the TC lock up. He told me w/o a problem. I suspect you asked for more info. Tuners will not tell you thier tricks.

You post reads more like a Lidio flame job more than a bonifide tuning question.

[magindat]

From Lidio's own website: http://www.alternativeauto.com/prodserv/marauder_tune.html


...One of the most significant changes made with our tune and the Xcalibrator flasher are several enhancements to transmission operations. We have made a noticeable improvement in how the Marauder’s transmission feels when shifting at light load and part throttle loads, plus substantially firmer shifts at wide open throttle. A key calibration area we’ve focused on is torque converter lock-up. We’ve basically made converter lock-up inactive until speeds above 63 mph have been reached in 4th gear. This makes a Marauder feel much peppier at intermediate speeds in city driving. This change also eliminates the unnecessary, frequent “up-and-down-hunting” shift at intermediate speeds. To sum it up, these transmission changes make the car respond much more quickly and feel like it’s in the correct gear at all times during city driving speeds....

I think I agree with Charlie....

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

No No, Lidio is not the one in question. I asked DR for specifics on his TC lockup speeds, fan on off temps, etc, and he backed away from the questions without answering them. He told me "it will be fine". Awesome. I bought the tune from him, it's not like I was just a tire kicker looking to glean some tuning tips.

[magindat]

No No, Lidio is not the one in question. I asked DR for specifics on his TC lockup speeds, fan on off temps, etc, and he backed away from the questions without answering them. He told me "it will be fine". Awesome. I bought the tune from him, it's not like I was just a tire kicker looking to glean some tuning tips.

Some stuff you just gotta let go. The tune operates as a package and good ole DR will send you updates if you change things.

Sometimes asking a tuner all those parameters is like asking a magician how they do their tricks.

Relax. It WILL be OK.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

But I can't relax! LOL. I do my own tunes and datalogging on the GM TPI stuff, which I can control every single aspect of what the computer is doing. Thousands and thousands of tables and values that can be changed.

I understand not wanting to reveal your "secrets" but come on, TC lockup speed? It's not like I asked him to send me the timing tables or something like that. It looks like I'm going to drop some big $$$ on one of the flash tuners that gives me full control in the future.

Fair enough, I don't mean to complain about DR, I'm sure he is a good guy and has his reasons. I am an engineer and always want to know why and how everything works and not just that it works.

[FordNut]

There are not settings available to lock it up in 1st and a lot of guys don't have them lock up in 2nd.

I stand corrected, there is no lockup in 1st. Checking my tune, I am not locking in 2nd either.

[KillJoy]

I see this both ways.

If you have a specific question about what is being done to your car, it should be answered. You are paying for a product, and should know what it is you are paying for.

Although.... if everything was known about how someone does "their" tuning, others could "steal" it.

KillJoy

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Killjoy, that is how I understand it. I didn't see one or two super basic general questions about well-known changes as being any info that anyone could "steal", but oh well.

[sabtaj1]

well, no lockup in 1st or second. 3rd gear locks almost instantly under light throttle at around 36mph. With the OD off. with the OD on its basically the same. You will be more than fine for going on a trip.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Thanks again guys.

[Dennis Reinhart]

No No, Lidio is not the one in question. I asked DR for specifics on his TC lockup speeds, fan on off temps, etc, and he backed away from the questions without answering them. He told me "it will be fine". Awesome. I bought the tune from him, it's not like I was just a tire kicker looking to glean some tuning tips.


I just spok to Steven on the phone, I have aswered every email he has sent me, he asked my advice many times, he asked about setting his gears up many many questions, I have tried to help in any way, I do not have time during the day to answer all emails I do the best I can, a phone call is best yes I am busy but I always take calls, Steven did not have the money for a Xcal 2 so I had a old 9100 there is not much you can do with this but I can send a new file, I never backed away from his questions I just can not guess at what has been changed in the file with out pulling it up in front of me.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Well apparently email is not the best way to reach this guy. I now know to either call on the phone or nothing at all, that he does not have the time for email questions. I understand being a busy small business owner and that is fine, but don't blow up at me because I was left wondering after my email questions about your product got 3 word responses. To me as a first-time customer that is very off-putting. How am I supposed to automatically know what is up on your end? I can't. I did not intend this to be a pissing match. I am not out to make anyone look bad and I am certainly not trying to make enemies, I was just looking for more product information. It sounds like everything is very well-researched and will be fine.

[Dennis Reinhart]

To funny no one has blowed up, its all just a missunderstanding, I am here to help.

[Zack]

Load the tune, drive it, and see if you can tell?????

Call Dennis and tell him to answer the question?????

:dunno:

KillJoy

For once I agree with steve.

DUH, which way did he go George?

Drive the car, look at the speedo and feel for the TC locking up. Then take big breath cause you've just accomplished something remarkable

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Then take big breath cause you've just accomplished something remarkable

That's more than I can say most of the time. 1 step forward 2 steps back!

[ctrlraven]

well, no lockup in 1st or second. 3rd gear locks almost instantly under light throttle at around 36mph. With the OD off. with the OD on its basically the same. You will be more than fine for going on a trip.

Yep that sounds about right, light-mild throttle mine locks up around 40-45mph. With 50% or more throttle it will lock up around 55mph.

[Blackened300a]

My lock-up comes in at around 60MPh during normal driving. Its like a 5th gear, I'll go into OD around 56mph then the T/C will lock.
When I want to pass someone without going WOT, I just gently push the pedal til I feel it unlock, then push a little farther til it drops into 3rd. By that time Im pulling past whoever is in my way.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Just an update, for the people who told me "drive the car and feel the TC lock, you're a dumbass", it is much harder to tell when the TCC lock point is now that I don't have the stock 25 mph super TC chuggle.

[sabtaj1]

nevermind!
:popcorn:

[larryo340]

Just an update, for the people who told me "drive the car and feel the TC lock, you're a dumbass".
he was quoting another members remark to him. What's right is right.

Well now, I basically said what mine does with the DR tune, as for this is what you asked. You should ba able to feel it lock up. WTF am I saying, I am gonna just say you are on your own now due to the dumbass remark. Think you might have just pissed some people off. Now the SEARCH will be your friend.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Sabtaj, read more carefully before you make a post that makes yourself look foolish. Inside vs. outside the quotation marks makes a difference. Jeez. Not what I was saying. Good job.

[sabtaj1]

never saw that post. Sorry, I need a beer!

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Yeah okay.

[RCSignals]

Just an update, for the people who told me "drive the car and feel the TC lock, you're a dumbass", it is much harder to tell when the TCC lock point is now that I don't have the stock 25 mph super TC chuggle.

That was your buddy Zack

[Raudermaster]

That was your buddy Zack

And Steve!....:rolleyes:

Although I must admit, if you can't feel your TC lock, then...:loco:

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

With DR's tune, the TC lock, as was pointed out, at light throttle seems nearly coincidental to 3rd gear. This is actually a pretty decent way to do it -- you don't have the added chug of the TC noticeably dragging everything down.

The stock TC lock was very obtrusive at 25 mph, it felt horrible. The tune makes it much less obtrusive. If you guys had my particular tune you'd wonder where the big TC chuggle went too.

Raudermaster, do you have a DR tune? If you don't, then you really can't comment on how the TC schedule feels with my flash tune. Feels pretty darn good.

[Bradley G]

I had similar concerns about the 63+ MPH TC lockup and potentially poor, city fuel economy. I was recently able to achieve 18.5 mpg city with the Marauder , "Hyper miling". The lockup is hardly noticeable, at the point it occurs.. quote=VicsEvilBrother;522927]Hi guys,

can anyone tell me what the TC lockup minimum speed is in DR's tune (ballpark). I am hoping it is not like Lidio's that won't lock the TC until 63+. I am interested in saving some gas mileage and not heating the trans up, so I want some use of the TC.

I didn't want to have to ask the board about someone else's tune, but since the seller of the tune, who sold it to me, won't tell me what I just bought, I need to know. I don't want to load this tune, with a long trip ahead of me this weekend, and unknowingly be driving with the TC unlocked the whole way.

Thanks

Steve[/quote]

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

You'd think the factory would notice if their super early converter chugging lockup routine was not helping gas mileage ... you have to wonder how many hours went into the factory tune that they left it so crappy. The Marauder, stock, feels about as lively as a limousine unless you have the pedal nearly to the floor to hold the shifts out. And they wondered why the car didn't sell well ... Small things about a tune can make the car feel so entirely different.

[RCSignals]

That feeling was only present at very light throttle with my factory tune.
Annoying in city traffic. I no longer have that problem though.

They were cutting a very fine line to avoid a gas guzzler tax apparently, which partly explains the final tune and no 4.10 rear from the factory.



Glad you like your new tune. So with the air springs that's now two down?

[Raudermaster]

Raudermaster, do you have a DR tune? If you don't, then you really can't comment on how the TC schedule feels with my flash tune. Feels pretty darn good.

No, I don't, and I'm getting tired of you calling everyone out in your posts. We're trying to help you, and you're calling members asshats for suggesting things. All I meant was with MY Lidio tune I can feel the TC lock, and would think the DR tune is similar.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Although I must admit, if you can't feel your TC lock, then...:loco:

Good to know you are not using the tune I am. And making snide comments that don't apply to me. Very helpful. I'm sorry I don't appreciate how "helpful" you are. Gimme a break.

[Raudermaster]

Anytime pal.

[MM_BKK]

With a factory TC, it is MUCH easier to tell that it's locking up or the trans has shifted a gear due to the RPM drop will just be slightly versus high stall TC.

Just my $.02 :beer:

[OneBADLsE]

:popcorn:.......:popcorn:

[sabtaj1]

dr tune locks just after 3rd gear change at like 32mph. under light throttle.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Cool beans, thanks.