torque converter

[VAmarauder03]

im not really sure how a torque converter actually works and whats all entailed with how the car drives. I also would like to know which one would be recommended, my MM is my daily driver and only car. How does it work and whats iit like driving a car with one in it. how are the stalls rated. Any and all info would be helpful

[Dennis Reinhart]

im not really sure how a torque converter actually works and whats all entailed with how the car drives. I also would like to know which one would be recommended, my MM is my daily driver and only car. How does it work and whats iit like driving a car with one in it. how are the stalls rated. Any and all info would be helpful


Just give me a call and I will help any way I can

[VAmarauder03]

thanks a bunch, i am just worried about how it will effect the driveability and daily driving aspect of it, and the extra wear on the trans and what not. will it effect the clutch wear in the trans during regular driving. im putting in 4.10's tomorrow and was planning on a cold air and a tune shortly after, but i might purchase raudermaster's 3000 stall convertor which will push back the jlt and the tune quite a ways(the tune esp) is that a good TC for the setup or is it to much?

[fastblackmerc]

thanks a bunch, i am just worried about how it will effect the driveability and daily driving aspect of it, and the extra wear on the trans and what not. will it effect the clutch wear in the trans during regular driving. im putting in 4.10's tomorrow and was planning on a cold air and a tune shortly after, but i might purchase raudermaster's 3000 stall convertor which will push back the jlt and the tune quite a ways(the tune esp) is that a good TC for the setup or is it to much?

"will it effect the clutch wear in the trans during regular driving" - No

"how it will effect the driveability and daily driving aspect of it" - i don't think the 3000 stall speed will make a nocticeable difference over the stock stall speed.

Checkout www.converter.com for all your TC questions. Give them a call at (901)466-0267 or toll free: (800)649-7866. Ask the experts.

I'd install an aftermarket trans cooler either way. It's good cheap insurance.

[mpearce]

"how it will effect the driveability and daily driving aspect of it" - i don't think the 3000 stall speed will make a nocticeable difference over the stock stall speed.

Thats your opinion.

I have a P.I. 3000 stall torque converter, and I notice a difference over my stock converter for sure. The way the car pulls forward when you lift your foot off the break, and the way you throttle up a bit more, is way different from stock. The best benefit though, is a quick tap to 1/2 throttle, and the effortless spinning up my drag radials. Awesome mod for the money. Well worth it.

3000/3500 it doesn't matter. Anything is better than the stock converter.

-Mat

[VAmarauder03]

i talked to a guy i know, keep in mind he could be wrong or right im just gettin various opinions...he was saying my gas mileage would go down because the stall is so high...he said that while cruising id be sitting right at wherever the converter flashes....if this is true i dont really want to do this because i dont want to be cruising at 3grand all the time. that will kill gas milage and in my opinion ruin the daily driveability and the long road trip aspect of the car that i enjoy so much...

[Blackened300a]

Thats your opinion.

I have a P.I. 3000 stall torque converter, and I notice a difference over my stock converter for sure. The way the car pulls forward when you lift your foot off the break, and the way you throttle up a bit more, is way different from stock. The best benefit though, is a quick tap to 1/2 throttle, and the effortless spinning up my drag radials. Awesome mod for the money. Well worth it.

3000/3500 it doesn't matter. Anything is better than the stock converter.

-Mat

Exactly. I was using my car as daily driver so I went with a 3000 stall. now that my car is used on the weekends and I plan to rack up some timeslips, I may be looking to upgrade to a 3500 stall.
With the stock convertor on a good day I could get a slight squeal out of the tires on a launch, With the convertor I can light the rear tires up with ease. Huge difference over stock.
Definitly one of the best bang for the buck mods available.

If you look in the classifieds there is a great deal on a brand new 3000 stall convertor which would be perfect for your daily driver.

[Blackmobile]

i talked to a guy i know, keep in mind he could be wrong or right im just gettin various opinions...he was saying my gas mileage would go down because the stall is so high...he said that while cruising id be sitting right at wherever the converter flashes....if this is true i dont really want to do this because i dont want to be cruising at 3grand all the time. that will kill gas milage and in my opinion ruin the daily driveability and the long road trip aspect of the car that i enjoy so much...

If you're cruising around at 3 grand, I think you would be doing about 100 mph if I'm not mistaken.

All kidding aside, if you want you MM to be quicker off the line than the average bear, then a stall of 3500 is the way to go, but a 3000 stall I figure would be a bit lighter but still have the same effect.
Gas mileage change is not too noticeable, unless you can't keep your foot out of it (and that is usually the case).
Driveability is a bit different, but can be adapted to even for a D/D.

You will notice your brakes seem not to work as well as you may want because you'll be into the ABS for sure at times.

[Blackened300a]

i talked to a guy i know, keep in mind he could be wrong or right im just gettin various opinions...he was saying my gas mileage would go down because the stall is so high...he said that while cruising id be sitting right at wherever the converter flashes....if this is true i dont really want to do this because i dont want to be cruising at 3grand all the time. that will kill gas milage and in my opinion ruin the daily driveability and the long road trip aspect of the car that i enjoy so much...

Completely false. I was worried about this same thing when I was going to install a convertor. This mod will not greatly affect your drivability and I still get decent gas mileage considering all that I have done to my car.

[VAmarauder03]

yea ive already been talking with raudermaster about his and i really want to get it but, i want to know exactly what im gettin in to ya know what i mean....i dont wanna drop the money and find out it kills gas mileage or cruising rpms or something....i really wanna know the ins and outs of it all. Im going to apologize now for knowing nothin about converters. Ive never owned a perfomance car that was automatic, all have been stick shift. So far it all sounds great, almost to good to be true, except for what the guy i talked to told me...

[VAmarauder03]

i swear im not tryin to be a pain in the arse here lol, but do you guys have any real world numbers from experience of what to expect from gas mileage and cruising as i drive over 200 miles a week and every day im on "highway" going to work and cruising speed is important along with gas mileage to an extent...i know the way the car accelerates will be diferent (and yes there will be a huge issue of keeping my foot out of it:D) but im worried about the rest...thanks for all the help and info i really appreciate it this is one of the few forums you can ask for help and people will give it with open arms...

[Blackened300a]

Try a search on this site for other members who posted their opinion's on the convertor swap. Im very positive that you will find that anyone who installed one, love's it.
Myself included. I was putting more miles on a week then you are and I had no complaints with the convertor. I think you'll be glad you invested in it.

[VAmarauder03]

my main concern is just the cruising rpm...the way that other guy made it sound made it sound like the car didnt do much until the converter flashes other than that if would feel like the trans slipping and it would cruis right around the flash point...that kinda worries me just cuz thats alot of wear and tear ya know not to mention cuts gas milage in half

[Blackened300a]

my main concern is just the cruising rpm...the way that other guy made it sound made it sound like the car didnt do much until the converter flashes other than that if would feel like the trans slipping and it would cruis right around the flash point...that kinda worries me just cuz thats alot of wear and tear ya know not to mention cuts gas milage in half

Only gears will affect your crusing rpm. The convertor slip under 3K is un-noticable. I drive with minimal pressure on the throttle and I dont feel any slip or notice anything different then when I had the stock convertor installed. My car even rolls forward when you take your foot off the brake and my idle is only set at 850 RPM's. That idea of your car just sitting there until 3K rpms is very untrue.

[CRUZTAKER]

Thats your opinion.

I have a P.I. 3000 stall torque converter, and I notice a difference over my stock converter for sure.

Matt is correct. You WILL notice a difference in a GOOD way.



If you look in the classifieds there is a great deal on a brand new 3000 stall convertor which would be perfect for your daily driver.

Ditto. There is fellow here with a new PI3000 for $600.
Get it!!! $725 retail is rediculous. Sorry Dennis...I know you have to make a living.;)


i swear im not tryin to be a pain in the arse here ...

Your'e not.
It's a big change, and not just what leaves your pocket.
I have no clue what it feels like with stock gears, but with 4:10's it is an absolute pleasure to drive.

The one thing no one has asked is WHAT tranny are you using? You show nothing in your sig as to what model year your MM is.
If you have a 4RW70, normal for most 300a models, I would highly suggest doing the jmod while the tranny is out. I can email you the documents so that you may provide them to your tranny person. It is basic bench work, and costs about $40-$50 extra.

[Blackened300a]

I would highly suggest doing the jmod while the tranny is out.

I reccomend the J-mod as well. The trans has to be out for a J-Mod?? I had my accumulators, springs and a new plate installed with the tranny in the car.

[VAmarauder03]

sorry i have a 03 a model, what exactly is this j-mod? i know bout the one for 600 i plan on buying it actually

[Raudermaster]

The J-Mod has to do with the valve body in the transmission. I don't remember 100% of all the specs, but it is a shift kit basically, but much more. I had it on my old '95 CV and it rocked.

[mpearce]

I have no clue what it feels like with stock gears, but with 4:10's it is an absolute pleasure to drive.

Listen to Barry. This is spoken from true experience ^^^ this is very accurate. My set up is similar, as I have 4.10's as well. Honestly...not even a quick 1/2 throttle hit, and you're all squirley in the back. Such a fantastic feeling over what it "used" to feel like.

-Mat

p.s. quit worrying about gas mileage.

[VAmarauder03]

p.s. quit worrying about gas mileage.


the gas mileage wasnt my main concern...it was the cruise rpm as i go on long trips and cruise at high way speeds atleast 2 times a day...the gas mileage would be a result of the revs....however everyone has pretty much helped ease my concern for the most part i guess its kinda natural to be a little hesitant when doing a mod that youve never known much about or done/experienced before...thanks guys

[VAmarauder03]

I reccomend the J-mod as well. The trans has to be out for a J-Mod?? I had my accumulators, springs and a new plate installed with the tranny in the car.

i think he ment while the trans was out when doing the torque converter

[Blackened300a]

i think he ment while the trans was out when doing the torque converter
I know that but the J-mod can be done with the trans in the car as well.

[MM_BKK]

With just a convertor change, your cruising RPM will be EXACTLY the same as the stock one. This is due to the fact that these TC have a LOCK-UP function. At normal cruising speed, there is ZERO slippage at the convertor.
Your "other guy" seems not to have had a first hand experience with a high stall convertor with lock-up clutch, only from second hand infomation it seemed. Don't listen to them. Come on this board for advice on the MM. There's a lot of knowledgable members here with a lot of first hand experience with the MM.

BTW, did you not tell me in another thread that you are putting in your 4:10 gears yourself since you work for Ford? :bows::bows: Just curious...

[VAmarauder03]

BTW, did you not tell me in another thread that you are putting in your 4:10 gears yourself since you work for Ford? :bows::bows: Just curious...


Yessir, i am going to do the gears myself, definately nice to have tools and a lift, cuts down on labor charges of having it installed

[MM_BKK]

Yessir, i am going to do the gears myself, definately nice to have tools and a lift, cuts down on labor charges of having it installed

You should also do the TC while the car is on the lift and the driveshaft is out. 2 birds with one lift. :lol:

[Dennis Reinhart]

I reccomend the J-mod as well. The trans has to be out for a J-Mod?? I had my accumulators, springs and a new plate installed with the tranny in the car.


If it was my car and I was puuling the transmission I would jut go through the entire transmisson and be done with it

[VAmarauder03]

If it was my car and I was puuling the transmission I would jut go through the entire transmisson and be done with it

i agree but the pocket book doesnt necessarily agree

[Sully008]

VAMarauder:

I just recently put in the 3000rpm PI convertor in my car and I love it. There are some things I do notice, however, it'll take a little more foot to get the car to go (with the stock convertor, the car would start to move @ ~1500rpms, now it'll rev to ~2000 rpm for it to go). You'll also need a little more throttle when in reverse as well. I have also noticed that the shifts are softer, especially the 1-2.

Now the good stuff...I can break the rear tires loose with some authority @ half throttle! Couldn't do that before. I haven't even tried a full throttle launch yet.:burnout:It feels like the car's lost 500 lbs. I can't comment on fuel economy yet, I haven't gone through a full tank yet, but I'm pretty sure it's negligble.

Driveability in town hasn't changed too much. Just a little more heavy footed off the lights.

I've got just about every bolt on for a N/A car, minus the full exhaust. I'm loving every minute of it!

[VAmarauder03]

well the converter might have to wait a while but now that i hear this stuff its definately on my list of things to do SOON

[Blackened300a]

I've got just about every bolt on for a N/A car, minus the full exhaust. I'm loving every minute of it!

Have you been to the track?

[CRUZTAKER]

well the converter might have to wait a while but now that i hear this stuff its definately on my list of things to do SOON
And cost more as well.:o

The deal is gone.

[VAmarauder03]

And cost more as well.:o

The deal is gone.

yea thats why its gonna wait and unfortunately cost more...i was planning on gettin the money to him this friday but s*** happens right, hopefully for a reason lol