Smaller pully and belt to match

[Motorhead350]

I'm now looking for the soruce for the smaller pully for my Procharger. I want to run 12-14psi as I heard there is no problem if it's tuned properly. It's going to a guy everyone on here reccomends in three weeks and as long as I'm going though the trouble of getting a 3rd tune I want to go all the way. Now where can I find this pully and will my existing beld need to be changed or can I just adjust the tension?

Please don't gimme this "too young, too soon" lecture. Thank you.

[Blackened300a]

I wish your stock engine internals good luck!

[2ndMDRebel]

It's going to a guy everyone on here reccomends in three weeks and as long as I'm going though the trouble of getting a 3rd tune I want to go all the way.

I hope you are talking about Lidio... he did the third tune on my car and as they say the third time is the charm.

[Motorhead350]

I hope you are talking about Lidio... he did the third tune on my car and as they say the third time is the charm.

That is the man! ;)

[martyo]

Reichard Racing.

[Zack]

Reichard Racing.

No, no no.
The eat belts.

Had Dominick taken his car to guy I recommended, Bob Kurgan, he would be fine right now.
But as usual, he couldnt wait.
Ive driven his car, it felt like a 12.99 car with the Predator tune in it.
I really dont understand the issue here :confused:

[knine]

He just wants to be able to keep up with us BLUES.

[MarauderTJA]

Dom, if you go to that level of boost you are going to need 60 lb injectors and a Diablosport Mafia (or other larger MAF) as well as better fuel pumps (GT 40's) along with a "great" tune, to which Lido can provide. That is the setup I had prior to my current forged motor. I ran that combination for 15K safely and never had a problem. But it is all in the tune. 39 lb injectors as well as the mass air you have will not cut it for that level of boost.
Oh yeah, you need a 3.60 pulley for 12-12.5 pounds boost for the P1SC as well as a shorter belt.

[Zack]

Dom, if you go to that level of boost you are going to need 60 lb injectors and a Diablosport Mafia (or other larger MAF) as well as better fuel pumps (GT 40's) along with a "great" tune, to which Lido can provide. That is the setup I had prior to my current forged motor. I ran that combination for 15K safely and never had a problem. But it is all in the tune. 39 lb injectors as well as the mass air you have will not cut it for that level of boost.
Oh yeah, you need a 3.60 pulley for 12-12.5 pounds boost for the P1SC as well as a shorter belt.

39#'s are good to 550rwhp Tom, so Ill have to disagree here.
Also, Mac used the Walbro pump (the one in the FIT kit) on his KB marauder and it was good up to 535rwhp before the duty cycle got scary.

But we all know the same parts produce different results on different cars.

[MarauderTJA]

39#'s are good to 550rwhp Tom, so Ill have to disagree here.
Also, Mac used the Walbro pump (the one in the FIT kit) on his KB marauder and it was good up to 535rwhp before the duty cycle got scary.

But we all know the same parts produce different results on different cars.

You may be right Zack as applications vary. I was anal at making sure that all parameters were safe withmy stock internals both for the street and track. Remeber we also deal with extremem heat here in Florida during the summer month, thus maybe the reason for the need for larger injectors. When Scott Beer tuned my car with the 3.60 pulley I had to go to 60 lb injectors and a MAF extender as well as better fuel pumps. I made 475 RWHP with that application.

By the way Dom (or Zack) I have the Predator tune for the above application if you need it or would like to review it Zack. Let me know and I will e-mail to you.

[RF Overlord]

I need to ask Zack and/or Tom a Q here...

In another thread, Dom indicated he was unhappy with the 1/4-mile times on his car (~13.7) and thought that others with more-or-less "stock" boost levels and tunes were doing low 13s/high 12s, and that was the reason for his wanting to up the boost.

My question is...is it really necessary to go to 12-14 lbs of boost with a Procharger car to get into the high 12s, or could there be something else wrong with his setup? Please understand that I'm not in any way criticising the Procharger setup, I'm just curious whether something is being overlooked that will rear its ugly head if he tries to crank up the boost so high. I'm sure he'd rather not put a third motor in his car... :eek:

[KillJoy]

I need to ask Zack and/or Tom a Q here...

In another thread, Dom indicated he was unhappy with the 1/4-mile times on his car (~13.7) and thought that others with more-or-less "stock" boost levels and tunes were doing low 13s/high 12s, and that was the reason for his wanting to up the boost.

My question is...is it really necessary to go to 12-14 lbs of boost with a Procharger car to get into the high 12s, or could there be something else wrong with his setup? Please understand that I'm not in any way criticising the Procharger setup, I'm just curious whether something is being overlooked that will rear its ugly head if he tries to crank up the boost so high. I'm sure he'd rather not put a third motor in his car... :eek:


My guess is that the Driver Gasket is faulty.

Let an experienced driver have at his car at the track, and see what times are turned ;)

:up:

KillJoy

[Pops]

I drove it as Mason Dixon and that is all it has. I think something is not tuned right. Dont think its the driver gasket Steve!

[KillJoy]

The ride I had in his car was about the same as mine, pre-TC.

:dunno:

KillJoy

[RF Overlord]

My guess is that the Driver Gasket is faulty.
Could be...his car has already been diagnosed with a loose nut behind the wheel...

:lol:

[Motorhead350]

I drove it as Mason Dixon and that is all it has. I think something is not tuned right. Dont think its the driver gasket Steve!

Thank you. Will you others ever listen to me??? :mad2: I am not the problem! If it was doing 12.99 I wouldn't be complaining all the time would I? Zack I told you at least twice I called the guy you reccomended and he never called me back.... I called him twice. I don't wanna deal with people who don't like business.

[Pops]

Doms car acts more like a well prepped NA car. When I drove it had less power in the midrange than my car. It did not have a lot of tire spin. When I was riding with Killjoy his showed a lot more power than Doms. Steves had that slam you back in the seat power. Not there in Doms. Something is not right and for a change I dont think its Dom!

[KillJoy]

OK.... WHO has tuned this car in the past?

Is it a mailbox tune, or an actual dyno tune?

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

I wanted to take it to who Zack reccomended, but the guy never called me back so I took it to a place called Straight Line Performance. Now it's going to Michigan. I still wanna run 12.5 by the end of summer.

[KillJoy]

I wanted to take it to who Zack reccomended, but the guy never called me back so I took it to a place called Straight Line Performance. Now it's going to Michigan. I still wanna run 12.5 by the end of summer.


Did they do a Dyno Tune? Did you buy the Kit new? Why not call the MFG of the Kit, and have them send you a new BASELINE TUNE???

I am pretty sure you will need to replace your Predator w/ an SCT for Lidio to Tune your car, but I may be mistaken.

It sounds to me like you took it to someone who did not know what they were doing.

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

Did they do a Dyno Tune? Did you buy the Kit new? Why not call the MFG of the Kit, and have them send you a new BASELINE TUNE???

I am pretty sure you will need to replace your Predator w/ an SCT for Lidio to Tune your car, but I may be mistaken.

It sounds to me like you took it to someone who did not know what they were doing.

KillJoy

Yes it was a Dyno Tune, Yes I bought it new, I have had it tuned by the suppliers of Prochargers for Marauders and I was disappointed with the time, I took it somewhere else... it ran better, but still could hardly make 13s on a good day. I do need to buy an SCT to work out all of the b.s. I think Straight Line knew what they were doing..... kind of. :mad2:

[Zack]

Yes it was a Dyno Tune, Yes I bought it new, I have had it tuned by the suppliers of Prochargers for Marauders and I was disappointed with the time, I took it somewhere else... it ran better, but still could hardly make 13s on a good day. I do need to buy an SCT to work out all of the b.s. I think Straight Line knew what they were doing..... kind of. :mad2:

So you are gonna drive 5 hours, pay $379 for an Xcal2, and $300+ for a tune, all when you can get it done well in your own back yard?
WOW.

[KillJoy]

It has been said several times to you now Dominick..... hopefully you will start to realize it. Things do not have to be done right now, this minute, gotta have it before whatever....

Because you would not wait for Zack's recommended Tuner, you wasted $$$ on whomever did your Dyno (sounds like junk to me). Now, you will be wasting even more TIME and some more money to have Lidio do it. Hopefully, you will be happy w/ Lidio's Tuning. He knows what he is doing, and will not blow up your car.

What are you going to do if your car still does not run this pre-determined number you have made your mind up on? What then? Throw more money at the problem? If that's the case.... become a politician ;)

KillJoy

[Zack]

Steve is smart.

[KillJoy]

Steve is smart.


Write that down....

:rofl:

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

Listen. Zacks guy never called back!!!. I'm going to Michigan anyway to visit some old college friends so I figured I would make a tune visit while I was within the area. Ya want my evening plans too? If the car still doesn't do what I paid for it to do, it's gonna sit for a while and than it will go to Zack and he will find some stupid issue that can be fixed in 5 minutes that cost zero dollars to fix, but set me back months in delay over some b.s. someone didn't do right in the first place. :mad2: SO Steve when will everything work??? When people bolt stuff on you see a new post on how happy they are with their new power. Mine has been on since summer and still no smiles. When is it my turn???

[RCSignals]

Did you find the pulley you want Dom?

Did you check with FIT?

[Breadfan]

If your car is not running the same level as other base tuned FIT kits perhaps you should find the problem there before going for more boost. If a problem exists you may want to track that down prior to more work being done. How about check with others, there are 30 FIT kits now, see what others ran with stock kits and gears/tc like you have. I'm sure some can give you their baselines to compare.

I'm not criticizing your driving, but my impression is that a base FIT kit with 4.10s and a TC and dr's should be better than a 13.7. Do not twist my words I'm not bashing the kit, in fact I'm giving it credit, if it's not running faster than that with that setup there may be another issue to look at.

I'm just not sure throwing boost at the problem is the best solution now. That being said, done right and tuned by Lidio it should run good. Heck like others said your current problem could be a tune issue with your setup, and if so that new pulley will definitely solve it since you'll get a tune at the same time.

There is one thing to consider though.

I've said this many times to people, and still believe it. Though many will say running 12-14 psi on a stock Marauder engine is OK, you still need to consider the other side of the coin. I believe them - I'm not questioning them - with good tuning many have showed it's worked for them.

BUT...no one can deny the risk level goes up. Regardless of tuning, that's alot of pressure on the stock rods, yes tuning can make it work well, but the risk of something failing is higher.

So, I try to tell people that if you want to run 12-14 PSI in a Marauder, you should at least be comfortable with the fact that the risk level is going up. If you're going ot run that, and than run the car hard, be READY to atleast ACCEPT having to get a new motor.

What I mean by that is if the motor goes becuase of the high boost, be upset, but realize that extra risk is part of playing the game with higher boost on a stock motor. It may not happen, but just know that it's part of the committment.

[BUCKWHEAT]

Lidio will be great. My experience with Sutton Ford in Mattson south of Chicago was really good..12.34 at 112 after the tune, and that was running against Hwycruiser,s Procharger that ran a 12.22.


I wanted to take it to who Zack reccomended, but the guy never called me back so I took it to a place called Straight Line Performance. Now it's going to Michigan. I still wanna run 12.5 by the end of summer.

[Motorhead350]

Did you find the pulley you want Dom?

Did you check with FIT?

No I have been too buzy getting misunderstood by almost everyone here...

[Motorhead350]

Lidio will be great. My experience with Sutton Ford in Mattson south of Chicago was really good..12.34 at 112 after the tune, and that was running against Hwycruiser,s Procharger that ran a 12.22.

What is your complete set up?

[RCSignals]

No I have been too buzy getting misunderstood by almost everyone here...

They do seem to have made you buzy

[RF Overlord]

No I have been too buzy getting misunderstood by almost everyone here...Dom, on the contrary...we know you all too well. ;)

Remember, most of us old farts were once your age and felt just as you do, but I think Breadfan hit all the nails in his reply above^^^ especially when he says:
"If your car is not running the same level as other base tuned FIT kits perhaps you should find the problem there before going for more boost."

If the problem is just tuning, Lidio will find it and fix it. If not, he'll be able to help you track it down, but I STRONGLY urge you to contact F.I.T. to be sure you've covered all the possibilities. Or at least, as you yourself said, take it to Zack and have him be sure it's not something simple and stoopid, first.

We really ARE trying to help you... :)

[MarauderTJA]

I need to ask Zack and/or Tom a Q here...

In another thread, Dom indicated he was unhappy with the 1/4-mile times on his car (~13.7) and thought that others with more-or-less "stock" boost levels and tunes were doing low 13s/high 12s, and that was the reason for his wanting to up the boost.

My question is...is it really necessary to go to 12-14 lbs of boost with a Procharger car to get into the high 12s, or could there be something else wrong with his setup? Please understand that I'm not in any way criticising the Procharger setup, I'm just curious whether something is being overlooked that will rear its ugly head if he tries to crank up the boost so high. I'm sure he'd rather not put a third motor in his car... :eek:

Actually, no it is not necessary to go up to that boost level. With the car right it should easily go high 12's low 13's on a bad day. There other issues here without question. I'm thinking tune.

[MarauderTJA]

So you are gonna drive 5 hours, pay $379 for an Xcal2, and $300+ for a tune, all when you can get it done well in your own back yard?
WOW.

If your talking about Bob Kurgan, yes he knows his ***** and if he is close, going to MI is not worth the cost. Bob has been racing for years.

[MarauderTJA]

We really ARE trying to help you... :)

What he said DOM^^^^^^. The purpose here is to help you find a solution(s) as well as try and save you money. Things will work out, try not to be so critical here of the others who are going out of their way to help you.....take a deep breath. Breath in, breath out.....you'll get there.

[HwyCruiser]

Dom, my car did mid-to-high 13s at Cedar Falls Raceway right after putting the s/c on. I was spinning the stock tires off the line and/or spinning them into the rev limiter on the 1-2 shift after the boost came on. I even let another Marauder owner who was more experienced drag racing have a go at it an he pretty much got the same results. A couple months later I was running mid-to-high 12s in Detroit in about the same weather, and everything else with the setup was same except I brought brand new drag radials with me. With much cooler weather back in Kansas City later that fall me and Buckwheat were dueling in the low-to-mid 12s. Guess what? I actually had a bigger pulley (less boost) on at the time. Assuming a torque converter gives you an 0.5-0.7 second advantage with traction being equal, do the math to see how unreasonable your results were comparatively.

My point is there are a lot of variables that go into your 1/4 mile time - weather, traction, reaction, tuning, hp, etc., etc. You need to get the tuning worked out first and then work on the other variables that are in your control. My question is did the last guy dial in the base FIT tune or did he use/create his own base tune for the dyno? There's a lot of time that went into the FIT tune and there's a lot of potential left in it assuming you are running good premium fuel. What Greg sends out is basically a 91 octane tune. You can add 1-2 degrees of advance to your timing with your Predator for 92-94 octane, and/or you can get a little more kick added to it for use with a race gas mix.

Throwing more boost at it might not get you the satisfaction you seek. Do you really want to be the slowest guy running 12-14 psi of boost? Think about it.

[Motorhead350]

My intension for my 12 second time is not more boost. I want it tuned correctly and as long as it's going to be tuned and more boost needs a tune I figured I would get it all done in one shot. I now have a few others people to contact and Steve even called my to slap me silly. Either way the solution is coming soon, but I just wish it was done before ya know? Like when it was installed everyone would function like I had the impression of.