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Try Try Again.....
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Im pretty sure I found the problem. A few of the head studs were not at the proper torque spec. When using head studs, you NEED to retorque them after a break in period. I was going to do it this weekend before the trip, but they loosened up before I could, OBVIOUSLY.
I also found my front cover oil seal destroyed from shredding a belt. The remains of the belt actually formed a seal and prevented any oil loss, how ironic.
Everything you see above took me from 6pm to 10:35 pm last night.
I have the worst luck in the world, but this car is not going to defeat me. :beer:
magindat
09-26-2007, 04:49 AM
Impressive.
She'll be runner by the time your done wrestling...
KillJoy
09-26-2007, 05:17 AM
Nice Job Zack.
:up:
KillJoy
Hotrauder
09-26-2007, 05:33 AM
That is impressive, but we are used to that. Good luck. Dennis
Well that sucks. I wish you well in your quest!
Best luck,
J
Kermit the Frog convertors, Inc.?
The converter is from Darrin at BC Automotive.
Raudermaster
09-26-2007, 10:07 AM
Lookin good. Sucks you had to pull it out a 2nd time, or 5th as you stated lol but this time will hopefully be the last.
MarauderTJA
09-26-2007, 10:21 AM
The converter is from Darrin at BC Automotive.
Lovin my new converter and tranny Zack... Hope you are going to have that bad boy at SSHS7.
magindat
09-26-2007, 10:26 AM
Kermit the Frog convertors, Inc.?
:whistle:"It's not easy, being green..." :sing:
KillJoy
09-26-2007, 10:32 AM
When using head studs, you NEED to retorque them after a break in period.
That's probably why they include to do that in the Instructions.
:rolleyes:
;)
:D
KillJoy
I learned a lot about head studs today.
65ft-lbs with moly lube.
80ft-lbs with 30w oil
They do recommend a retorque after a few heat cycles.
Others torque the studs down, let them sit overnight, loosen them all the next day and retorque them down.
Some never bother at all!
I still have to make sure the heads are flat tonight when I get home.
FormulaMarauder
09-26-2007, 11:21 AM
I learned that lubing the damn head studs can be catastrophic. The compressed liquid qives you false torque readings, and then they manage to back theselves off as they follow the threads.
RCSignals
09-26-2007, 01:17 PM
I learned a lot about head studs today.
65ft-lbs with moly lube.
80ft-lbs with 30w oil
They do recommend a retorque after a few heat cycles.
Others torque the studs down, let them sit overnight, loosen them all the next day and retorque them down.
Some never bother at all!
I still have to make sure the heads are flat tonight when I get home.
I was taught to check them after one heat cycle, then again after a few heat cycles.
It pays to at least check them that one time.
FordNut
09-26-2007, 01:23 PM
Determination, that's what impresses me!
sailsmen
09-26-2007, 01:46 PM
U have the best luck in the world.
Hope to c u ***HS7.
crouse
09-26-2007, 05:44 PM
I see the problem. Is that moonshine in the milk jug?
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/0/4/DSC02895.JPG
Heads checked out good, all mating surfaces are prepped.
I hope to button it up tomorrow and set it in the car.
MarauderBoy
09-26-2007, 07:00 PM
Remember the scene from Liar Liar where the guy walks in and asks Jim Carey what he's doing - "I'm kicking my a$$!"
Keep at it Zack, you will win
1stMerc
09-26-2007, 08:34 PM
Zack, you're a wonder.
ChiTownMaraud3r
09-26-2007, 09:00 PM
Zack, I wish I had at least half the skills you posess when it comes to taking **** apart like this, and fixing it. Good Job, keep at it. :up:
Motorhead350
09-27-2007, 12:44 AM
Keep up the good work.
TooManyFords
09-27-2007, 06:23 AM
I just like looking at the pictures!!
:D
:banana:
I just like looking at the pictures!!
:D
:banana:
I have 5 years worth.
They all look the same. :lol:
BTW, I went with the Felpro gaskets. Ford gaskets are REALLY expensive. Felpros are 50 a piece. (Thanks merc)
I found NO evidence of the head gasket leaking, I even pulled all the layers apart and found nothing.
Does anyone know if the stock Marauder head gaskets differ from a Cobra head gasket?
ImpalaSlayer
09-27-2007, 09:08 AM
BTW, I went with the Felpro gaskets. Ford gaskets are REALLY expensive. Felpros are 50 a piece. (Thanks merc)
I found NO evidence of the head gasket leaking, I even pulled all the layers apart and found nothing.
Does anyone know if the stock Marauder head gaskets differ from a Cobra head gasket?
a question from the master? haha j/k your brave id never atempt doing that to my car. this new stuff scares me. good luck!
FordNut
09-27-2007, 09:50 AM
I went with Cometic head gaskets. Really expensive.
Engine is completely assembled, back in the car, KB on and awaiting coolant and fresh oil.
Ill start and drive it tomorrow, then rip it back down to retorque the studs Sunday.
Very important observation:
After torquing the studs down and waiting just 1 hour, I put the torque wrench back on all the nuts and a few were already out of spec!
TooManyFords
09-28-2007, 07:42 AM
Zack, are your studs the kind that can only be used once and Torque to Yield? If so, you may be stretching them and causing premature failure by continually re-torquing them.
If they are the ARP studs, you shouldn't have to keep redoing them. My MMR 900 block has them and they were done only once and so far, knock on wood, are still just fine.
Dunno, something to think about?
John
I talked to ARP and they told me they need retorquing but never 'wear out'
They are a few years old, not the newest model.
TooManyFords
09-28-2007, 08:07 AM
That's good. It could be that MMR "seasons" the long blocks and retorques them before shipping too. Honestly, I never asked.
Can't wait to hear it run. When is the next chicken run?
john
The studs need 2 heat cycles before a retorque.
TooManyFords
09-28-2007, 08:15 AM
The studs need 2 heat cycles before a retorque.
I guess 20,000 miles qualifies as 2 heat cycles. I will check mine this winter.
:D
I drove the car today, a hose clamp broke, dumped all the coolant.
Luckily i brought a milk jug and broke down next to a lake.
Filled the jug with lake water, filled it up and proceeded to the bar where Im writing this.
Car runs awesome! Im tearing the KB off tomorrow, pulling the valve covers and retorquing the head studs.
What a story,, huh? :D
TooManyFords
09-29-2007, 06:25 PM
Filled the jug with lake water, filled it up and proceeded to the bar where Im writing this.
Lake water ?!?
And you wonder why you're on your 5th teardown / build-up ?!?
LOL!
John
[he said LAKE WATER...]
TooManyFords
09-29-2007, 06:26 PM
Things you forget to say the first time Dept:
Zack, if it dumps the lake water on the way home from the bar, you can always piss in it!
LOL!
John
Lake water is the new DISTILLED water.
Duck droppings in the cooling system.... FTW
CRUZTAKER
09-29-2007, 07:45 PM
Car runs awesome! Im tearing the KB off tomorrow, pulling the valve covers and retorquing the head studs.
Lake water cooling system... :thinker:
:beer:
Motorhead350
09-29-2007, 10:37 PM
haha wow. Zack maybe I should follow you next thursday just in case. Wait for me to get outta my 9am class will ya? :D
knine
09-29-2007, 10:41 PM
haha wow. Zack maybe I should follow you next thursday just in case. Wait for me to get outta my 9am class will ya? :D
He's taking his slow BLUE, so yes, you will be following him :lol:
Everything is in working order as of now.
When I had the KB off, I noticed oil leaking from the snout seal. It got damaged when I had belt issues.
So I pulled the snout off and of course there is no number on the seal.
Had to get it running so I just superglued the seal back together and it doesnt leak a drop.
I WILL get a new seal, just doing what I had to do for the time being.
RF Overlord
09-30-2007, 03:47 PM
Lake water and super glue...
Rube Goldberg is spinning in his grave... :shake:
Big House
09-30-2007, 07:44 PM
Simply impressive.
sabtaj1
09-30-2007, 08:08 PM
well, atleast he hasnt broke out the duct tape yet. That we know of? LOL
cougar9150
10-01-2007, 08:23 PM
Is that a Kenne Bell for an Cobra? What did that entail to get it on? I know battery relocate, throttle linkage, alternator, wiring mods, etc... but did you have to swap to a cobra intake manifold or does it bolt to a stock MM lower manifold?
cougar9150
10-01-2007, 08:53 PM
I went and looked at your gallery... pretty amazing stuff! Where can I find one of those crome badgeless grilles. I have looked but haven't been able to come across one. Is it Billet?
Lake water and super glue...
Rube Goldberg is spinning in his grave... :shake:Sounds like McGyver?
Ken
I might be parting the car out, keep your eyes peeled for some good deals!
magindat
10-02-2007, 04:43 AM
I might be parting the car out, keep your eyes peeled for some good deals!
Never let an in-animate object kick your ass.
offroadkarter
10-02-2007, 04:53 AM
Never let an in-animate object kick your ass.
I agree.
No parting out, just fix the d@mn car already :D
fastcar
10-02-2007, 05:47 AM
I might be parting the car out, keep your eyes peeled for some good deals!
Don't give up, man. Just get drunk!:beer:
It will look better to you after a 6 pack:D
fastcar:burnout:
Blackened300a
10-02-2007, 02:16 PM
I might be parting the car out, keep your eyes peeled for some good deals!
Giving up already??
sailsmen
10-02-2007, 02:29 PM
I hope you don't give up. You have gone so far.
I hopped up a 914. All the major components worked well. The devil was in the details. It took me a while but I did get most of it sorted out.
One nite I was out on a date and the throttle broke, went from FI to dual carbs w/ alot more load on all the parts, used my belt as a rope and made it home.
I started w/ the accelerator pedal and beefed up/reengineered the entire system.
FordNut
10-02-2007, 03:02 PM
Hang in there, Zack...
sabtaj1
10-02-2007, 04:17 PM
zack cant fix it. Just give up already! I need a driveshaft anyways. Plus other misc. stuff. GIVE UP!!!!! (fix it panzy!) lol
Joe Walsh
10-02-2007, 04:32 PM
Lake water is the new DISTILLED water.
Duck droppings in the cooling system.... FTW
If you get a leaky head gasket will that mean that you now have "Lake Pipes" ????
Hah! Lake Pipes :rofl:
I cant keep this car cool.
Blip the throttle and its 230 degrees.
There is no air in the system, period!
I give up.
Ah BLUE MM will make me feel better!
Oh, the coolant that covered the engine in conjuction with the softenned water I used to hose it down has completely destroyed the KB anodized housing, the blue fuel rails, timing cover, crossover tube, shall I go on?
n00bkiller944
10-02-2007, 05:30 PM
Listening to Zach's experiences makes me not want to have a MM
Listening to Zach's experiences makes me not want to have a MM
Dont pay attention to me, please!
sabtaj1
10-02-2007, 06:20 PM
That sucks! dont give up on it yet. I am sure you or someone will think of something. There has got to be a stupid reason for the heat. I wish I had an answer for you. I will do some research.
Joe Walsh
10-03-2007, 04:38 AM
This might sound crazy, or just plain stupid...but....are you sure that the radiator is getting full coolant flow?
There isn't a rag that had been used to plug an uncoupled radiator hose still in the hose......is there?
Don't ask me why I think that this could have happened...:o
I'll deny any past experience!
magindat
10-03-2007, 04:48 AM
Simple explanation? F-ed up thermostat? Run without one for now.
The car is fine at cruising speeds.
Get into the gas and its 220 like that!
I found that the gauge on the dash doesnt budge until 224 degrees and reaches H at about 255.
The T-stat is brand new, but I may run without it, as well as relocate all of my external coolers- NEXT YEAR
magindat
10-03-2007, 04:59 AM
The car is fine at cruising speeds.
Get into the gas and its 220 like that!
I found that the gauge on the dash doesnt budge until 224 degrees and reaches H at about 255.
The T-stat is brand new, but I may run without it, as well as relocate all of my external coolers- NEXT YEAR
Common! Humor me. It's 2 bolts and some coolant!
I think that'll help with the SYMPTOM, but there's gotta be root cause of the PROBLEM.
Are you leaning out in the higher RPM's? Add some fuel, maybe?
KillJoy
10-03-2007, 05:14 AM
Zack, screw this car. You have NEVER been able to make it run right. Either return it to stock, or sell it to someone who wants a challenge.
I prefer the first option. I want the Trans, Exhaust and DS.
:D
KillJoy
It does make more sense to part it out.
But Id sell it as a whole for 20k.
No one has ever seen the twin NOS bottles and stand alone NOS fuel system either.
sailsmen
10-03-2007, 08:43 AM
Could be heat is a by product of power and more heat is being generated than can be extracted.
Would a meth system help to cool it down?
I will explore all options stated after Seymour, if Im still interested.
This KB makes stupid heat. Cruising IAT's on a 75 degree day average between 120 and 135.
Ive seen the IAT's go to 210 at WOT.
This is WITH a lightning pump, a griffin heat exchanger before the intercooler and a stacked plate cooler after the intercooler.
THAT system is air-free as well.
Dragcity
10-03-2007, 10:04 AM
Two Words:
Liquid Nitrogen....
Pretty cold stuff, and creates a non-flamable environment. Use one of your No2 bottles.....
KillJoy
10-03-2007, 12:11 PM
Have you drained that crap-ass lake water out yet, and refilled with new, quality coolant?
KillJoy
KillJoy
10-03-2007, 12:19 PM
Yes Meatball
Okay then.... did said crap-ass lake water harm any component (Thermostat) or plug up anything (Radiator)?
Are you sure your Aftercooler is functioning properly?
KillJoy
KillJoy
10-03-2007, 12:20 PM
Also, WHAT are you using in the Aftercooler? Water? Antifreeze? A mix???
KillJoy
magindat
10-03-2007, 12:27 PM
To be sure after cooler is functioning properly, fill reservoir with ice or ice/water. This should lower cruising IAT's. This would prove proper after cooler system function. It won't last long, though.
Perhaps an increase in reservoir size and an additional fan on the Griffin radiator would help keep the IAT's down even though the KB appears to be a furnace.
Maybe Ill throw a wrench or 2 at it next week.
KillJoy
10-03-2007, 01:08 PM
Maybe Ill throw a wrench or 2 at it next week.
A brick would be better!!!
:rofl:
KillJoy
Loco1234
10-03-2007, 01:17 PM
add some water wetter....
It can't hurt...
Raudermaster
10-05-2007, 08:54 AM
Don't give up on it Zack. You've worked too hard to flush it all away so fast. Like Rich said, there HAS to be an explanation why the temps are so high. And you will find it!
Drewstang
10-05-2007, 03:02 PM
Should I check my studs? :D
MarauderSM
10-05-2007, 03:29 PM
Zack you of all people can't give up. I want to know how a KB runs in a Marauder.
And did you check the radiator cap. if it can't hold pressure the temps would surely rise high.
knine
10-05-2007, 10:10 PM
Should I check my studs? :D
What do you need now?
ChiTownMaraud3r
10-05-2007, 10:34 PM
Don't give up on it Zack. You've worked too hard to flush it all away so fast. Like Rich said, there HAS to be an explanation why the temps are so high. And you will find it!
+1 What he said!!
I fell in love with this car the first time I saw it in person, and wasn't hard to realize how much time and effort you have put into it. If you are just not feeling it right now, give it a break and toss a wrench at it when you feel better again. But think twice about just parting it out cause it's giving you a hard time, this is your pride and joy MM, And I like other members want to see a KB put some serious numbers down for a Marauder.
Quick edit: Could the car's alternator or something be causing the water pump to cut off when given throttle? Just a thought, about the electrical side of it. Maybe theres a short somewhere? Because there has to be an answer to this.
Drewstang
10-06-2007, 12:45 PM
What do you need now?
:confused:
I bought my car from Zack after he fixed some issues with the engine. I was just messing with him.
MarauderSM
10-06-2007, 06:31 PM
Zack! Would any of the problems you encoutered be avoided if you used a cobra block? Wanted to know if the block was just different enough to cause a problem.
Car is out indefinitely.
I got home from Seymour and took the thermostat out, swapped to the original fan shroud, burped the system on a steep incline for 1/2 hour, backflushed the radiator.
Went out, got into boost a few times, 5lbs and less and it was going up to 210 and coming right back down.
Then i dropped the hammer from 1-2 and 2-3 up to about 90 and by the time I looked down the temp gauge was pegged annd coolant was everywhere.
I obviously have a cracked something, cause the compression is not escaping out the head gasket.
59 Caddy, Im comin for ya! :up:
KillJoy
10-07-2007, 05:34 PM
When you had the Heads off.... did you check the Block for levelness?
Also, post up on a Muctang forum. I am SURE one of the Cobra or Mach 1 guys have had a similar issue.
:up:
KillJoy
Motorhead350
10-07-2007, 05:37 PM
59 Caddy, Im comin for ya! :up:
I hear you on that one. I'm going back to my Chevy for a little while.
Thinking out loud again...
I think all this has happened since I hooked the passenger side breather up the the JLT intake elbow.
I had it venting to athmosphere when I had the car tuned. The drivers side has a pcv valve and is hooked to the inlet of the KB.
Ill change back and see what happens.
sabtaj1
10-07-2007, 07:38 PM
Zack, Just do the test! Will take 10 minutes. The one we talked about. Before somthing else gets damaged, your gettin that aluminum pretty hot. Also, DONT GIVE UP!!!!!!
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