Blower cams

[hidperf]

Are any of you Trilogy guys running something other than stock cams? If so, what and how much power difference did you see over stock cams?

[Bradley G]

I don't know of anyone that looked for more power from the Trilogy S/C with cams.
Mostly the smaller pulley and retune will give results cheaper than cams.
PM Buckwheat(in your area), for some up close and personal Trilogy tidbits.

[Tom Doan]

I got JDM cams in my Cobra, and no I do not know the spec's, call them.Tom

[hidperf]

I don't know of anyone that looked for more power from the Trilogy S/C with cams.
Mostly the smaller pulley and retune will give results cheaper than cams.
PM Buckwheat(in your area), for some up close and personal Trilogy tidbits.

I think Buckweat and I are heading to the track Tuesday night. I'll get an upclose and personal look at his setup there. It just seemed like everyone bolts on a trilogy and is done. I didn't know if this was simply where everyone was happiest, or if the limitations of the stock bottom end were reached. I've heard claims of 49hp or more just from blower cams so basically, I was just curious. I'm not doing the supercharger for another year for two reasons. I'm in the middle of a complete rehab of my home and I'm waiting to see if the twin screw comes out.

[hidperf]

I got JDM cams in my Cobra, and no I do not know the spec's, call them.Tom

I'm not looking for specs. I can find that on my own. I was just curious how much power was picked up with blower specific cams and if those who had them think they were worth the investment.

[Zack]

Cams = cool sound, not much in the performance dept.
Unless you have the heads heavily ported and run a turbo, then a good set of cams will be beneficial.

[KillJoy]

According to Ford, their High Flow Heads + their hop up cams gain 60HP. I am assuming that is Crank HP on a N/A Motor.

It would be interesting to see what they would do w/ Boost.

KillJoy

[BUCKWHEAT]

Great question. My '99 Cobra redlined at 6900 RPM. The MM is about 1000 less. I understand the risk of over-revs on the MM because of the soft pistons & rods. (Been there & blown that). Given a stronger botom end, will our MM cams pull to 6900? If not, then wouldn't there be value in changing cams?

On another post, someone noted that Ford is selling the "super-car" cams for about $500/set, which has to be cheap. Would they be a power/torque/RPM value to our MM's?

[Master]

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If anyone would like to donate a trilogy, I'll gladly bolt it on and let you know the results of my "test". :)
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[MarauderBoy]

According to Ford, their High Flow Heads + their hop up cams gain 60HP. I am assuming that is Crank HP on a N/A Motor.

It would be interesting to see what they would do w/ Boost.

KillJoy

This is the same as what I have read over at the Mach 1 Registry forum. The one that caught my eye was a guy running a Vortech with ported heads seeing ~60hp gain. I think Lidio talks about these in a Maruader on his site too. They are a relatively inexpense part - install is another matter...

Here's the link: "Cheap High Lift Blower Cams" (http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67087&highlight=FRPP+Cams)

[hidperf]

This is the same as what I have read over at the Mach 1 Registry forum. The one that caught my eye was a guy running a Vortech with ported heads seeing ~60hp gain. I think Lidio talks about these in a Maruader on his site too. They are a relatively inexpense part - install is another matter...

Here's the link: "Cheap High Lift Blower Cams" (http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67087&highlight=FRPP+Cams)

As far as price goes, that's a steal compared to other cams. Install I'd do myself, but for those who wouldn't, that would be the deal killer.

On a side note, any idea where to find head flow specs on the stock heads?

[hidperf]

Great question. My '99 Cobra redlined at 6900 RPM. The MM is about 1000 less. I understand the risk of over-revs on the MM because of the soft pistons & rods. (Been there & blown that). Given a stronger botom end, will our MM cams pull to 6900? If not, then wouldn't there be value in changing cams?

On another post, someone noted that Ford is selling the "super-car" cams for about $500/set, which has to be cheap. Would they be a power/torque/RPM value to our MM's?

Idealy, a set of cams that would make use of the existing power band WITH the blower would be nice. Maybe a little more lift and duration without changing the lobe separation angles and keeping overlap down? I'm not sure if the supercar cams fit into that range or not. Somewhere around here I have some engine simulation software that is more advanced than the "dyno2000" software. I've used it in the past to design a few different engine combination with great success. If I can find it, I'll see what I can come up with.

[MarauderBoy]

Check out the dyno run of the n/a motor on page 4 of the thread I posted earlier.

[hidperf]

Check out the dyno run of the n/a motor on page 4 of the thread I posted earlier.

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see any dyno charts.

[MarauderBoy]

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see any dyno charts.

Sorry, been wading through a number of forums over there. Some really good stuff on cams if you search on "FRPP Cams". Anyway, it's on page 4 of this (http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54127&highlight=FRPP+Cams) thread.

[hidperf]

From my past experiance I've learned some things. I had owned a 90 Thunderbird SC, factory Eaton on a V6. These cars were seriously detuned from Ford so they wouldn't piss of the MarkVIII owners. The first and foremost mod you do to those cars is the exhaust. This would drop the boost level but RAISE the HP output due to the supercharger/engine breathing better. After that, you'd free up the restricted blower outlet and inlet. Overall, you'd focus on creating a better breathing engine which always makes more power.
That said. If you create an engine that breathes easier (cams, exhaust, blower and intake) but don't raise the RPM ceiling and don't just throw more boost at it, wouldn't you make more SAFE horsepower without putting added stress on the bottom end?


Discuss

[MarauderSM]

With a strong bottom end you raise your RPM's by way of tune?
Right?

[hidperf]

With a strong bottom end you raise your RPM's by way of tune?
Right?

You can if you want to go that route. I'm trying to stay within our stock bottom end limits.