Can we talk Superchargers YET?

[Bradley G]

Have we matured to the level where we can have a constructive discussion about superchargers, without :flamer:insults?
We can talk three word storys' & Buttermilk for weeks.
How many licks does it take? :P
I'll start;
Since most everyone has an Idea of my preference "Trilogy",I'll criticize my selection first,

If you have hands the size of catchers mits, you'll need help with installing the vacume lines on the inlet duct.
Or, if no help is available, you can remove the cowl over the windshield wipers.
Checking the trans fluid requires, turning your hand around to clear the EGR tube.(Palm side toward windshield)
If you have a custom exhaust, good luck hearing it when you are in boost!
Comments on Procharger;
Faster install.
I heard a Procharger owner exclaim, the oil filter is near impossible to remove without R&R the inlet plumbing.
The inlet plumbing clearance is a bit difficult.
I felt the power curve is slower to come on.
The exhaust note is more audible under boost.
The trans schedule was not refined, it did not shift at the optimum engine speed.
Comments on Vortec;
Faster install.
Can hear exhaust note better under boost(like Procharger)
Tapping the oil pan for blower lubrication.
Belt issues (idlers) with slippage and alignment.
A little noisy at idle.
Power also comes on later in the curve.

[Zack]

Id buy a Trilogy, just have to figure out how to obtain one.
The owner doesnt like me :bigcry:

[MERCMAN]

Id buy a Trilogy, just have to figure out how to obtain one.
The owner doesnt like me :bigcry:

I bet that is the first time that has happened to you (NOT)

[magindat]

I chose Procharger over other because...

Didn't like the idea of tappng the pan. vs Vortech
Didn't like the idea of 2 belts. vs Trilogy
WANTED the power to come on later in the curve so it's more 'normal' to drive for the GF. vs roots type.
I liked the sound of Trilogy at higher RPM. The whistle kinda bugs me at idle, but sounds like a jet (+) up higher.
The Procharger install is definitely the easiest and I wanted to do the install with friends.
Didn't like the idea of 'trimming' my lower intake. vs Trilogy
Liked the idea of being able to re-route belt and reload back-up tune in case of a blower emergency.
Was easiest to return to stock.
Didn't like the idea of need a special tensioner tool. Vs Vortech
Like the 'no warm up time' vs Vortech
Liked keeping the stock rad fan (just turning it over)
Liked Greg's level of support.
Liked that it would be numbered.
Knew the system very well from having done a used on that was missing parts and was comfortable with installing it regardless of obstacles.
Price was good. Less than trilogy, bit more than vortech.

Those are my thoughts/reasons. No bashing. All have their plusses and minusses which suit different individuals needs, wishes and intentions with their car.

[magindat]

Id buy a Trilogy, just have to figure out how to obtain one.
The owner doesnt like me :bigcry:

So buy one from Wes.... DUH! :rolleyes:

[Zack]

So buy one from Wes.... DUH! :rolleyes:

Already tried that, got shut down.
In public with many swear words from JB.
Went something like this...
Keep your ******ing Money A**hole.

[Zack]

BTW... Here is the thread if anyone is interested

[94_302]

Have we matured to the level where we can have a constructive discussion about superchargers, without :flamer:insults?
We can talk three word storys' & Buttermilk for weeks.
How many licks does it take? :P


It would seem the answer is no and that it takes only 1 lick. But hey there is always next year.

[KillJoy]

I got what I got due to a deal.

:D

I like the look of the Trilogy better though. It looks stock when you pop the hood. :up: Also, the low end grunt is BADASS!!

I like the Vortech and ProCharger because of the higher power levels. Definately DOES NOT look stock when you pop the hood though :(

I like the Vortech over the ProCharger, because, personally, I like the oil being filtered along with the engine oil.

So there!

:beer:

KillJoy

[magindat]

It would seem the answer is no and that it takes only 1 lick. But hey there is always next year.

That's 3 licks, so far. Any others?

[Pat]

BradleyG;

I've learned a lot already and I usually try and keep up with the S/C installs.

There are other aspects that come into play when selecting a kit. One is who or what company is providing the tune. With Procharger its Diablesport and you must buy their predator flasher. With Trilogy and Vortech I believe it's SCT tuning and if you already have an XCal1 or 2 it needs only to be updated, am I correct?

Previous mods such as rear end gears, stall convertor, intake spacers need to be brought into the tuning equation. Underdrive pulleys prolly need to be returned to stock.

Time, miles and budget have all passed by me too quickly and I'm no longer thinking in Trilogy terms due to cost of kit and install. DR's Vortex without intercooler is where my sights are set, hopefully next year.
Lord willing and the house doesn't fall down.

Until then my $500.00 Zex kit provides plenty of fun but only on occasion.
With an S/C it's fun, fun, fun until the wife takes the Marauder away.

Sign me,
Retired, on Social Security and a fixed income.

[ts-pa]

Thanks for the comparisons, and for keeping it civil, this is very good info!

[magindat]

For ALL kits, UD's need to go stock except, I think Trilogy. They have a new (or maybe it's an add-on) crank pulley due to running 2 belts.

[MarauderMark]

Get Trilogized!!!

[KillJoy]

Get Trilogized!!!


Hmmmm.... care to elaborate why?

:dunno:

KillJoy

[ctrlraven]

I tossed the idea of which force induction kit to go with and finally settled on a Trilogy because of the low-end power, fit and finish look of it in the engine bay, drove one and couldn't get the evil power trip grin off my face and the whine just gives me happy goose bumps.

Some more people need to buy the Trilogy kit so I can get kit #187 lol.

[KillJoy]

Some more people need to buy the Trilogy kit so I can get kit #187 lol.


???? Huh ????

:dunno:

Why is that???

KillJoy

[ImpalaSlayer]

187 is a code cops use for a murder isnt it:?

[ImpalaSlayer]

i got a noob question is there a link to the trilogy kit on here? all i see is the ones on DR's page. and the f.i.t. kit

[FormulaMarauder]

187 is a code cops use for a murder isnt it:?
Yes, in L.A.
I don't know why you would WANT that number, but hey, I guess you might agree with the unlawful taking of someones life. :shake:

[KillJoy]

i got a noob question is there a link to the trilogy kit on here? all i see is the ones on DR's page. and the f.i.t. kit


Trilogy is no longer a Vendor on this site.

:(

KillJoy

[ImpalaSlayer]

whys that?

[sailsmen]

I like the way the Vortec;
matches the designed power curve of the engine
is easily upgraded
is more efficient
not prone to heat soak.

With the same boost via a larger s/c I am looking at up to .5 faster in the 1/4.

[KillJoy]

whys that?

Search for it. Or, you know where to find me ;)

KillJoy

[Mike Poore]

i got a noob question is there a link to the trilogy kit on here? all i see is the ones on DR's page. and the f.i.t. kit

Yes, Wes Chain at Innovative Interceptors is an authorised Trilogy dealer. Although Trilogy is not a supporting vendor at mm.net, Jerry Barnes, owner of Trilogy International, is a member here, and you can PM him directly, if you wish. I'm sure, however, that Wes can answer any and all questions you may have concerning the product.

[Mike Poore]

Trilogy is no longer a Vendor on this site.

:(

KillJoy

I beg to differ, Innovative Interceptors, a long time supporting vendor here at MM.net, is an authorised Trilogy dealer/installer.

Lets keep on track, shall we?

[O's Fan Rich]

If you have hands the size of catchers mits, you'll need help with installing the vacume lines on the inlet duct.
Or, if no help is available, you can remove the cowl over the windshield wipers.
Checking the trans fluid requires, turning your hand around to clear the EGR tube.(Palm side toward windshield)
If you have a custom exhaust, good luck hearing it when you are in boost!


I can hear mine just fine!!
I'm told that when I'm passing someone at full throttle, they get to hear the blower screaming at them, then as I go past get the exhaust punctuation! Like a freight train, my brother said as I went by him at triple digits while he was in his new Mustang GT....

I added some extension to my tranny dipstick, it's better, not perfect.
I did remove the wiper cowl. Made life easy!
I can't speak for the other kits as far as installation.
Joe wouldn't let me install his....:o

[MM03MOK]

For ALL kits, UD's need to go stock except, I think Trilogy. They have a new (or maybe it's an add-on) crank pulley due to running 2 belts.
We reverted to stock when we installed #61 and sold the UDP's we bought while stock.

[BUCKWHEAT]

and tell him the medicine is now in balance and you are excited about his product.


Id buy a Trilogy, just have to figure out how to obtain one.
The owner doesnt like me :bigcry:

[Mike Poore]

It's interesting that no one ever mentions any of the turbo setups. They seem, at first blush, to be a terrific power adder, with practically unlimited potential. Is cost a factor here? :dunno:

[dreydin]

I got what I got due to a deal.

:D

I like the look of the Trilogy better though. It looks stock when you pop the hood. :up: Also, the low end grunt is BADASS!!

I like the Vortech and ProCharger because of the higher power levels. Definately DOES NOT look stock when you pop the hood though :(

I like the Vortech over the ProCharger, because, personally, I like the oil being filtered along with the engine oil.

So there!

:beer:

KillJoy
can anyone post 3 pics of the different S/C looks under the hood? =D

[jdando]

It's interesting that no one ever mentions any of the turbo setups. They seem, at first blush, to be a terrific power adder, with practically unlimited potential. Is cost a factor here? :dunno:

I think there are only 2 or 3 turbo Marauders and all have had the development issues that are associated with blazing a new trail.

I think the cost factor of developing a custom turbo kit is also a reason why.

My two cents.

jeremy

[offroadkarter]

I think there are only 2 or 3 turbo Marauders and all have had the development issues that are associated with blazing a new trail.

I think the cost factor of developing a custom turbo kit is also a reason why.

My two cents.

jeremy



I know 2, Juno and Todd, i posted a thread asking about the PTK kit and they were both telling me about it.

[O's Fan Rich]

I think there are only 2 or 3 turbo Marauders and all have had the development issues that are associated with blazing a new trail.

I think the cost factor of developing a custom turbo kit is also a reason why.

My two cents.

jeremy
Todd and juno....
don't know the 3rd.
Todd's car has been at D. Reinharts for a spell, guess it's done, can't recall.
Saw Jay's car at Sebring in spring, where he lost his tranny, but he's back at it again. He had some issues with the kit supplier, too. Personally I was impressed with the way the car worked and the power it made, but not with the actual kit Jay paid for.
Me? turbo would be great, but I'd want twins.

[offroadkarter]

Todd and juno....
don't know the 3rd.
Todd's car has been at D. Reinharts for a spell, guess it's done, can't recall.



It still needs a mustang MAF for a larger filter, but otherwise its still on break in. Thats what i last heard. I dont think its dyno tuned yet either.

[94_302]

Turbo is a great way to go, the only thing I don't like about the PTK kit is that the piping goes under the K-Member.

[Joe Walsh]

I can hear mine just fine!!
I'm told that when I'm passing someone at full throttle, they get to hear the blower screaming at them, then as I go past get the exhaust punctuation! Like a freight train, my brother said as I went by him at triple digits while he was in his new Mustang GT....

I added some extension to my tranny dipstick, it's better, not perfect.
I did remove the wiper cowl. Made life easy!
I can't speak for the other kits as far as installation.


Joe wouldn't let me install his....:o

Rich,
It had nothing to do with the Procharger kit...It had everything to do with my concerns of having my seats covered with 'fur' when I wasn't looking!

;)

[MarauderTJA]

I think there are only 2 or 3 turbo Marauders and all have had the development issues that are associated with blazing a new trail.

I think the cost factor of developing a custom turbo kit is also a reason why.

My two cents.

jeremy

Jeremy you are right. With my F.I.T. Kit # 2 I had numerous issues to overcome to get where F.I.T. kits are today. Jerry Barnes will admit that he too had to spend time on major engineering issues (tons of money) as well as tuning issues in the begining with the Trilogy kit. In fact he is dealing with some minor issues now with his twin screw. But without question, He will have it straightened out and be making them available shortly.

The Marauder turbo kits are in the same boat that every S/C kit has gone through. With them all, tuning is a major issue. Mechanical fitment of pipes, brackets for the turbo, intercoolers etc are the easy part of the project. Turbos can produce far greater torque and power than S/C's. But getting there will take time. It will be overcome.

[Blackened300a]

If a SC was offered to me I would probably go with a Vortech.
I like the way it sounds and the power coming in at midrange.

[MarauderTJA]

You cannot go wrong with any of the SC Kits offered for our cars.

[Marauder386]

You cannot go wrong with any of the SC Kits offered for our cars.

Thats my opinion too...and intend to have one example of each on each available RoadPig...


:cool:

[O's Fan Rich]

Rich,
It had nothing to do with the Procharger kit...It had everything to do with my concerns of having my seats covered with 'fur' when I wasn't looking!

;)
Oh, Dude, you shoulda said something! I would have shaved my back before hand... HONEST!

[MMMAN]

I think all the SC kits are good and have there own advantages to them. It depends on your budget, apperance prefference, and performance demands.

Here is a summary of my opinion::beatnik:

Apperance/price/ low end power/ mid power/ top end/Ease Install

Trilogy FIT/VT Trilogy Vortech FIT FIT

[KillJoy]

Thinking of it, if someone were to give me a turbo(s), headers and a large assortment of plumbing.... I would do a Turbo Kit.

Turbos = FREE Power!!!

:D

KillJoy

[RCSignals]

It's interesting that no one ever mentions any of the turbo setups. They seem, at first blush, to be a terrific power adder, with practically unlimited potential. Is cost a factor here? :dunno:

Probably because the thread is about Superchargers :dunno:

[RCSignals]

For ALL kits, UD's need to go stock except, I think Trilogy. They have a new (or maybe it's an add-on) crank pulley due to running 2 belts.

Trilogy install requires the removal of U/D pulleys

[RCSignals]

i got a noob question is there a link to the trilogy kit on here? all i see is the ones on DR's page. and the f.i.t. kit

The old Trilogy forum is in the archives section. Look there, there is a lot of good info still.

[RCSignals]

I installed the Trilogy kit by myself. Even the installation of the Eaton/intercooler unit.
I had the time and was able to take my time so there was no rush.
There is a great network of information available just a phone call away. If you do an install yourself there is nothing about it that you can't get information or over the phone help with.

The manual is well designed and presented, easy to follow.


“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”: FDR’s First Inaugural Address

[Seneca]

:rolleyes:zzzzzzz

[RCSignals]

:rolleyes:zzzzzzz

Please don't disturb 04marauderMD666 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/member.php?u=2696)

[Bradley G]

Thanks for all the posts.
Four pages and no insults!
I am very proud to be a Member here!
We've come a long way, Baby!:banana:

[Aren Jay]

I've been looking for Wipple Info.

The Paxton and Vortec seem to not like the extended cold. The Roots is the older version and the Screw or Twin Screw is cold friendly?

I know they work in the cold, very well, I just need something that isn't going to die when I park outside at -35C (-32F) for 7 days at the airport.

[RCSignals]

I've been looking for Wipple Info.

The Paxton and Vortec seem to not like the extended cold. The Roots is the older version and the Screw or Twin Screw is cold friendly?

I know they work in the cold, very well, I just need something that isn't going to die when I park outside at -35C (-32F) for 7 days at the airport.

The Whipple is a twin screw.

Trilogy will be having a Twin Screw kit available for the Marauder shortly. Contact Wes at Innovative Interceptors

[MarauderBoy]

FWIW, i'll weigh in.

Purchased a Vortech Sept of 2004 and had Zack install it (air to water). I thought the deal at the the time was worthwhile and have had Vortech's in the past and new what to expect. This is no dis to any other system for the MM in any way but the deal and the availabilty of a good local installer sealed the deal for me. Since then, I have been very happy with what I have had installed but I make no mistake that roots v. centrifical v. nitrous v. built N/A v. turbo are the same animal. All work well and require different driving techniques to get the most out of them. Quite frankly, I lust afer all of them!

Since the Vortech install, I have continued to pursue higher HP numbers by having the engine rebuilt and heads ported by Lidio. With the Vortech itself, I have had no issues with breakage, failure or other defects. No this set up is it's not as stock looking as others but I am curious to see how far it can go with it. Based on what I have read in the Mach 1 forums (same engine) and with new complimentary offerings, the surface is just beginning to be scratched.

The point is that all the power adders offered do what they are supposed to do and after being on the market this long they do it RELIABLY. Pick the vendor that you feel is right for you based on your criteria whether it be N/A, ease of install, price, ultimate HP, preference - whatever...we will all be fairly close in the end and kicking butt too.

Thank God we have choices! Get out there and run the thing and keep pushing the envelope! Over the last 5 years I haved learned something new in the MM community everyday and probably have saved myself countless dollars in wasted experimenting based on the experiences of those brave souls that have gone before me.

Thanks to all the pioneers!

BTW, all this savings still adds up to a lot of dollars - in the end, it is a gearhead sickness and I'm not looking to be cured

[MarauderSM]

I would like to have a sts twin turbo kit on a Marauder.

If not, a twin screw supercharger is what I would prefer.

[Bradley G]

Not meaning to exclude turbos in this thread;
Having no first hand experience with turbo enhanced Marauders,
I read extensively on the topic.
Initially Very intrigued by the possibility, of enhancing the Marauder with this option.
The more I read, the more it was evident, this was not appropriate for my wants.
The biggest obstacle for the way I use the Marauder,is the exhaust needs to be routed under the K member.
This put the ground clearance too close to the danger zone, for my use.
The other turn offs, were the lack of support from the company(s) that offered the kit.

[magindat]

I think the biggest enemy of turbos for Marauders is simply space. We have competent tuners among our ranks, so that's really not an issue. The issue I see is that our DOHC motor was stuffed in the car (at angle to boot) and has barely any clearance as it is much less a manifold/header (or two for twin) going forward, a turbo (or two) head unit and then piping back for exhaust.

If you've looked at a centrifugal blower install and thought it was tight, you should take a look at Juno's car. Holy crap it's close. My hat off to him for getting it done. He had the patience to overcome.

STS remote mounted turbos may be an answer, but there again, mega space used with piping BACK to the intake and I think tuning for the lag of such long piping would require some innovation.

Yep, thanks to these guys... the ones with seemingly more money and time than brains... you are the ones who made it easy for guys like me. Thanx

[sailsmen]

Having owned a Ford OEM Turbo and Ford OEM S/C.

There is no way I would put a turbo under the hood on a Marauder. With all the elec. and associated plastic parts you will fry everything under the hood that is not metal. Ask me how I know.

[MM_BKK]

Having owned a Ford OEM Turbo and Ford OEM S/C.

There is no way I would put a turbo under the hood on a Marauder. With all the elec. and associated plastic parts you will fry everything under the hood that is not metal. Ask me how I know.

Please tell us, inquiring minds want to know.

How do the Mustang guys, which are smaller cars, stuff 2 big turbos under their hood and managed not to fried anything except for their tires!

[Zack]

Please tell us, inquiring minds want to know.

How do the Mustang guys, which are smaller cars, stuff 2 big turbos under their hood and managed not to fried anything except for their tires!

MOST of them locate the turbos behind the front bumper.

[J-MAN]

Already tried that, got shut down.
In public with many swear words from JB.
Went something like this...
Keep your ******ing Money A**hole.


Ah! Old friends I see.:argue:

[jdando]

Please tell us, inquiring minds want to know.

How do the Mustang guys, which are smaller cars, stuff 2 big turbos under their hood and managed not to fried anything except for their tires!

And I am not sure they are not melting down everything. We only get a glimpse of their 9-11 seconds of fame, not the hassles of everyday life. I am guessing that a lot of these extremely high horsepower motors are dyno or track queens. I think the MM demographic is more of a daily driver, fair weather driver.

jeremy

[sailsmen]

Pop your hood and look at how tite it is.

A Turbo is a big heat sink. I owned XR4Ti turbo by Ford. 40K miles and everything that was not metal started being replaced due to heat. From the w/s washer tank and on. Belts lasted 20K due to heat.

[MM_BKK]

Couldn't heat shield be used to keep heat where they're suppose to be?
I've look under my hood many times and say to myself "look at all the wasted space".

Take a look under an import car's hood. It's amazing none of their stuff gets melted with even tighter clearance. They sure know how to utilize every square centimeter efficiently. I'm pretty sure most of the import factory twin turbos are daily driver.
Sucks for anyone trying to work on them though!

[Mike Poore]

Probably because the thread is about Superchargers :dunno:

Turbocharger=:= A turbocharger (short for turbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine) driven supercharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger)) is an exhaust gas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas) driven forced induction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_induction) supercharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger) used in internal combustion engines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engines). This differentiates it from a normal supercharger (or blower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blower)) which uses a prime mover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_mover) to power the compression device.

Darn, and all this time I thought a turbocharger was a supercharger. :rolleyes:

I'll check with one of the owners before I post up a stupid mistake like that again. :D

[sailsmen]

The may use plastics electronics with a hgiher heat tolerance.

I know in the past you doubled the odom miles on a turbo car to get the equivalent non-turbo.

I suggest you take one of those imports, particularly the ones with the turbo next to the radiator, for some hard runs and then pop the hood. If it's at nite you may not need a flash lite.

Some turbos had an oil recirculation pump to run after the ignition was turned off because oil got so hot it would coke up the bearings.

[MM_BKK]

It's interesting that no one ever mentions any of the turbo setups. They seem, at first blush, to be a terrific power adder, with practically unlimited potential. Is cost a factor here? :dunno:

Hahahaha, you're funny! :D :lol:

[MarauderSM]

The answer to the turbo problem would have to be remote mounted.

STS kit makes me wonder about the possibilities of a turbo Marauder.

Everyone knows lack of space up front means no turbo up front, but turbos have come along way from being; heat problems under the hood, cooling down after the car was ran, lagging power makers.

And keeping boost up through the length of pipe doesn't seem like an issue.

TO ME-If you think that 10 pounds of pressure in an enclosed area here, is different than another 6-10 feet of pipe up there, then your wrong.

Not trying to sound bias but i want power from twin screw or twin turbo.

[Zack]

Not trying to sound bias but i want power from twin screw or twin turbo.
This is a debatable point, but 2v's respond better to twins and 4v's respond better to a Single.

[RCSignals]

Turbocharger=:= A turbocharger (short for turbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine) driven supercharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger)) is an exhaust gas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas) driven forced induction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_induction) supercharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger) used in internal combustion engines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engines). This differentiates it from a normal supercharger (or blower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blower)) which uses a prime mover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_mover) to power the compression device.

Darn, and all this time I thought a turbocharger was a supercharger. :rolleyes:

I'll check with one of the owners before I post up a stupid mistake like that again. :D

Technically yes it is a form of supercharger. For common discussion they are usually dealt with separately.

There have been many 'Turbo charger threads' here. Usually discussion of 'superchargers' is not too welcome in them.


Please do check with one of the owners before posting up a stupid mistake like that again :D

[Mike Poore]

Technically yes it is a form of supercharger. For common discussion they are usually dealt with separately.

There have been many 'Turbo charger threads' here. Usually discussion of 'superchargers' is not too welcome in them.


Please do check with one of the owners before posting up a stupid mistake like that again :D


Well, Brad-lee said it was OK. :high5:

[MarauderSM]

Zack, the reason I said I prefer twin is cause with a twin you could run to similar size turbos in which response is optimum than a small (fast spool up) or large (slow spool up) turbo.

Running two medium size turbos seem the best way to keep throttle response up and max turbo power later on. This is the same system Gale Banks use on his turbo systems.

[sailsmen]

Not trying to sound bias but i want power from twin screw or twin turbo.

I like the concept of remote mounted turbo.

With OEM engined S/C MM running 11.5 what are u looking to accomplish?

[RCSignals]

Well, Brad-lee said it was OK. :high5:

well alright then! :cool:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Hold on to your A!!@@###$$$, I was told today, the new KB 2.8 will be out with in the next 2 weeks, this kit is designed for the 01 Cobra but the throttle body comes out on the drivers side so this makes it totally compatible with the Marauder, when they are available I am buying one of the kits to install for a Marauder owner here.:banana2: I spoke to today. The beauty is this will not require any custom fabrication for the alternator mount or converting the front of the engine to the 03 Cobra, but of course the question is how much power safely can you make on stock internals, I my self believe 465 would be a Max, the rear wheel torque will be way up there on this kit. I would use a twin GT fuel pump and 60 pound injectors a blow through Maf, along with this you will have to run after market fuel rails they may or may not come in the kit, will know in a few weeks

[94_302]

That makes no sense for KB to make a kit for the 99-01 cobra to have the intake on the drivers side. But hey if they want to and it's a direct bolt on for us cool. I look forward to pics and numbers from this kit.

[Dennis Reinhart]

That makes no sense for KB to make a kit for the 99-01 cobra to have the intake on the drivers side. But hey if they want to and it's a direct bolt on for us cool. I look forward to pics and numbers from this kit.


Well I am sure there is a reason, and I will have that answer later on, but to me I do not care its just another great option for our car.

[RCSignals]

That makes no sense for KB to make a kit for the 99-01 cobra to have the intake on the drivers side. But hey if they want to and it's a direct bolt on for us cool. I look forward to pics and numbers from this kit.

The one they show on the web site for that application has intake on the passenger side. I guess this is a new product or something.

[94_302]

The one they show on the web site for that application has intake on the passenger side. I guess this is a new product or something.

The one on their website is the big bore 2.1 Dennis is talking about a 2.8 so yeah it would be a new product. Oh well, the more options the better.

[Dennis Reinhart]

The one on their website is the big bore 2.1 Dennis is talking about a 2.8 so yeah it would be a new product. Oh well, the more options the better.


Exactly, its the 2.1 shown so lets just wat and see.

[MarauderSM]

Dennis great news.

No offense again but the supercharger for me would be a KB. I am biased on that.

That's why I don't want Zack to give up on BLUE.

[MarauderSM]

With a supercharger, does anyone know how long the stock fuel rails can lasts at high hp? Or am I over thinking this?

[MarauderTJA]

With a supercharger, does anyone know how long the stock fuel rails can lasts at high hp? Or am I over thinking this?

As long as you stay with stock internals and under 475 RWHP the stock fuel rails should be fine. At least it was on my first S/C'd stock engine. No problems what-so-ever. Upgraded fuel pumps are necessary as well as a good tune (as always).

[MarauderSM]

As long as you stay with stock internals and under 475 RWHP the stock fuel rails should be fine. At least it was on my first S/C'd stock engine. No problems what-so-ever. Upgraded fuel pumps are necessary as well as a good tune (as always).

Thanks. So upgraded fuel pump would be needed.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thanks. So upgraded fuel pump would be needed.

At the risk of loosing and engine I would say yes, do it right or do not do it at all.

[RCSignals]

Thanks. So upgraded fuel pump would be needed.

If you look at the KB site they don't necessarily use an upgraded pump, but they do use the KB BAP. It's good enough for KB.

[MarauderSM]

I thought the BAP would do it for a KB. When I do supercharge the car the engine would be more strong enough to handle the power.

What ignition upgrades do we have that are worth the price?

[Dennis Reinhart]

I thought the BAP would do it for a KB. When I do supercharge the car the engine would be more strong enough to handle the power.

What ignition upgrades do we have that are worth the price?

The bap is used even on the 03 Cobra and it has twin pumps KB can uses it in a lot of there kits it costs about 300.00 I try not to, to me its just some thing else that could fail, my car has twin GT pumps, 60 lb inj dash 8 lines and CPR fuel rails makes 580 RWHP and I do not need the BAP

[finster101]

I have seen all the kits now. They all post good numbers and all seem reliable. Jay's car with the turbo posted huge numbers, but seems like it would be a plumbing nightmare to me, it just seems to take up a lot of room. The same for the procharger and the vortech, they are great units but I don't like the looks of the install. I personally don't plan on setting any speed records so that isn't part of my agenda either. I want a clean look under the hood and a good kick in the butt when you hit the gas so when I can afford it I will probably go Trilogy. I most likely stay with stock gears and try to resist the urge for a smaller pulley. My MM is my daily driver so I need reliability so moderation rules. As I said before the other kits are reliable too. It has been my experience that when you start pushing the limits of something you will lose (not may)will lose some dependability. I have way too much experience with cars, bikes, and boats not to know this first hand. I personally don't see what all the stink is I think all the kits are great, but I only need one. Does that make your car a POS if it is not the same as mine? Not hardly! I like seeing the different things everyone does with their stuff. If they were all the same we would only need one guy for a car show. Not much fun in that. JMO

[sailsmen]

I have seen all the kits now. They all post good numbers and all seem reliable. Jay's car with the turbo posted huge numbers, but seems like it would be a plumbing nightmare to me, it just seems to take up a lot of room. The same for the procharger and the vortech, they are great units but I don't like the looks of the install. I personally don't plan on setting any speed records so that isn't part of my agenda either. I want a clean look under the hood and a good kick in the butt when you hit the gas so when I can afford it I will probably go Trilogy. I most likely stay with stock gears and try to resist the urge for a smaller pulley. My MM is my daily driver so I need reliability so moderation rules. As I said before the other kits are reliable too. It has been my experience that when you start pushing the limits of something you will lose (not may)will lose some dependability. I have way too much experience with cars, bikes, and boats not to know this first hand. I personally don't see what all the stink is I think all the kits are great, but I only need one. Does that make your car a POS if it is not the same as mine? Not hardly! I like seeing the different things everyone does with their stuff. If they were all the same we would only need one guy for a car show. Not much fun in that. JMO

NOS will gove you the least amount of "plumbing" and retain a stock look. In comparison to the amount of time I use the car the amount of time I spend looking under my hood is very small.

For reliability just look at my sig. Another member S/C @8oK and now has 140K on an OEM engine. I S/C @40K.

[finster101]

NOS will gove you the least amount of "plumbing" and retain a stock look. In comparison to the amount of time I use the car the amount of time I spend looking under my hood is very small.

For reliability just look at my sig. Another member S/C @8oK and now has 140K on an OEM engine. I S/C @40K.
Agreed. But look at TJA and a few other guys who have pused the limit. They are toasting trannys, rear ends and other stuff that I cannot afford and do not want too replace. I am not bashing them at all. I think they are having a great time with the car and know what they are getting into with the power they are making. I don't have deep enough pockets for that. So my way of thinking is when I can spare the 6k I will be happy with that. That may change but thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

[sailsmen]

Agreed. But look at TJA and a few other guys who have pused the limit. They are toasting trannys, rear ends and other stuff that I cannot afford and do not want too replace. I am not bashing them at all. I think they are having a great time with the car and know what they are getting into with the power they are making. I don't have deep enough pockets for that. So my way of thinking is when I can spare the 6k I will be happy with that. That may change but thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

With the stock Trilogy kit you are looking at 380rwhp. The others you are referring to are ~600rwhp.

The base kits range from 360rwhp to 460rwhp and $4k to $6k.

450rwhp still provides reliability on the OEM drivetrain. My spider gears were chipped after 60K miles of which 25K s/c miles and 150 runs. Others have more s/c miles w/o any issues. The cars running in the low 12's are not having the problems.

The cars you are talking about are running sub 11.5 seconds in the 1/4. Remember 450rwhp is 560 hp and 600rwhp is 750 hp!

[MarauderSM]

With the stock Trilogy kit you are looking at 380rwhp. The others you are referring to are ~600rwhp.

The base kits range from 360rwhp to 460rwhp and $4k to $6k.

450rwhp still provides reliability on the OEM drivetrain. My spider gears were chipped after 60K miles of which 25K s/c miles and 150 runs. Others have more s/c miles w/o any issues. The cars running in the low 12's are not having the problems.

The cars you are talking about are running sub 11.5 seconds in the 1/4. Remember 450rwhp is 560 hp and 600rwhp is 750 hp!

I agree the stock drivetrain can handle 12 second 1/4 mile runs. But if your plans are to go the fastest you can go, it's your responsibility to build the car right.:cool: Or stay in the shop all the time.:mad2:

[MarauderTJA]

Actually I never toasted my tranny at all. I just upgraded to a built one to handle my high HP race tune. I knew the orginial would not be able to handle that amount of RWHP. Other than that, the orginial tranny worked fine, even for my present personal best. The posi unit went out after three years of street driving and drag racing. I bought a tough Detroit TrueTrac posi with Moser axles ona group buy here some time ago knowing down the road I would need them for my future built motor. No problems with any else and the stock setup for three years.

It is all how you research and add mods properly and with justification. Just adding more horsepower without doing other things is what can get you in trouble. Take your time. I would be glad to meet up with you and give you some direction both mods and let you know the $$$$ involved.:beer:

[KillJoy]

Well, since no one else has mentioned it....

SUPERCHARGERS BLOW!!!

:rofl:

KillJoy

[MarauderTJA]

Well, since no one else has mentioned it....

SUPERCHARGERS BLOW!!!

:rofl:

KillJoy

And getting blown has always been a good thing;) Boost that is.

[MarauderSM]

And getting blown has anyways been a good thing;) Boost that is.

I second that.;);)

[Jeffs]

Wtih any of these superchargers options - what is the minimum mods that must be done other than a tune? Can stock injectors and fuel pump be used with all of them?

[Blackmobile]

Wtih any of these superchargers options - Can stock injectors and fuel pump be used with all of them?

Yeah, if you don't mind starving your engine of fuel, and potentially blowing up the motor.

[sailsmen]

The S/C kits come with what is needed for the Marauder to run as advertised.

Either a new fuel pump or a BAP.

New injectors.

One kit comes with the stock MAF which pegs requiring the tune to "compensate".

[Bradley G]

Please elaborate
which kit ?
where does it peg? past 6K?
The S/C kits come with what is needed for the Marauder to run as advertised.

Either a new fuel pump or a BAP.

New injectors.

One kit comes with the stock MAF which pegs requiring the tune to "compensate".

[sailsmen]

All the kits work as advertised.

Performance is so close in any given race it will come down to the driver.

Get a parts list of each kit and then compare them.

Each kit has pros and cons. Each kit has compromises.

Relationship with a tuner has more weight then any difference in the kits.

[DOOM]

Thanks for all the great info guys. I just ordered my super charger yesterday ( TRILOGY ) i cant believe how many s/c options we have for such a limited production car.

[Zack]

Thanks for all the great info guys. I just ordered my super charger yesterday ( TRILOGY ) i cant believe how many s/c options we have for such a limited production car.

Come to my house.
Ill install it for $600