Raced a Ford Lighting

[kariamack]

OK this was a great night .....OK its Saturday in the sunny state of Florida in Jacksonville just about every Saturday nite around 8:30 to about 12:00 there a car gathering in the sonics parking lot on beach Blvd ...(everyone in j.ville should come out sometimes an show the marauder some support) well me and my friend both own Marauders so we were just up there just talking and showing off the cars ....so me and my friend decided to go cruisin around ah little so we pull up to a red light and its a 3 lane highway... this black ford lighting pulls up next to us ........IM thinking Mann I'm not even going to try ...my friend said he was going to see wat the ford lighting was all about ......I'm thinking he is about to be killed lol ...light turns green and their off the lighting pulls off first but then the marauder gains on him and he passes him .... I couldn't believe this I'm thinking its not a real lighting ....to my surprise it was...... I heard the supercharged whine and everything..........Mann wat a blast I didn't race him because I though I'm not about to make a fool of myself .. but the only thing that is done to his car is a upgrade borla exhaust a Reinhart tune and a JLT intake ......Am i wrong or is there or was there something wrong with that truck???????? I still cant believe it:bows:

[Bradley G]

The Lightning is much faster than a mildly modified Marauder.
As long as it was good for you!

[94_302]

I'm guessing the L just left hard but let off right after. There is no way your friend should have passed him while the L was at WOT unless it shot a spark plug or something. Sure it's a truck but you'll need a blower or spray to tango with one in a Marauder, or have every single N/A bolt on with a dash of luck. I'm guessing he was barely racing or he has some SERIOUS issues with his truck.

[Marauder386]

Sorry guys, but the Lightning is a really heavy truck as required by the Feds so FOMOCO could juice up the S/C...I have a gang of friends up here that have spent way too much money on upgrading their L's and they wholeheartedly admit that RoadPig 1 and 2 would give them a good azz cutting ... I keep trying to get just ONE of them to have a go with me but they always beg off ...


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[RR|Suki]

Sorry guys, but the Lightning is a really heavy truck as required by the Feds so FOMOCO could juice up the S/C...I have a gang of friends up here that have spent way too much money on upgrading their L's and they wholeheartedly admit that RoadPig 1 and 2 would give them a good azz cutting ... I keep trying to get just ONE of them to have a go with me but they always beg off ...


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Que? without some serious mods a marauder should not be beating a Lightning I'm sorry. Lightning driver would have to suck something feirce... lighting is a 14.2 tuck in the first year of the blower... cut .4 or so off that for the improved years, and that's stock

[sailsmen]

The first gen Lightnings were not S/C.

[RR|Suki]

The first gen Lightnings were not S/C.

I don't think that really applies since in the story he talks about hearing the Eaton ;)

[Todd]

Was your friend Matt???

I assume the marauder add-ons you listed were your friends and not yours. But if you were listing yours, Matt has a trilogy.

I need to go up there with you guys and hang out. I have a lot of friends that go up there with motorcycles and mustangs. One of which got run over on his bike at the light in front of Sonic by a drunk driver (he's still alive). I just didnt want to go up there after all that.

[RR|Suki]

Was your friend Matt???

I assume the marauder add-ons you listed were your friends and not yours. But if you were listing yours, Matt has a trilogy.

I need to go up there with you guys and hang out. I have a lot of friends that go up there with motorcycles and mustangs. One of which got run over on his bike at the light in front of Sonic by a drunk driver (he's still alive). I just didnt want to go up there after all that.

Now I'm confused... did the Trilogy race the Lightning or did the bold on rauder :confused:

[kariamack]

Was your friend Matt???

I assume the marauder add-ons you listed were your friends and not yours. But if you were listing yours, Matt has a trilogy.

I need to go up there with you guys and hang out. I have a lot of friends that go up there with motorcycles and mustangs. One of which got run over on his bike at the light in front of Sonic by a drunk driver (he's still alive). I just didnt want to go up there after all that.











No it wasn't Matt ..if it was I don't think that truck would have had a chance ......but just about every Saturday we go out there just to see wats going on...Its always just the two of us...Matt comes up there sometimes ....

[Bradley G]

My experience with S/C'ed Lightnings has been pretty closely matched.
The last time I encountered one; he was behind me, we both turned right.
He swung into the go fast lane and hammered it.
I followed suit, as I looked across to my left(dead heat) he was looking for me in his rear view mirror.
Probably that is where he sees most of his partisipants, He reeled immediately my way, with the imfamous WhaaaT? look.:D
We both come stopped at the next signal side by side.
He informed me that my car was Supercharged also!

No it wasn't Matt ..if it was I don't think that truck would have had a chance ......but just about every Saturday we go out there just to see wats going on...Its always just the two of us...Matt comes up there sometimes ....

[Raudermaster]

My friend has a '99 L (Less HP/TQ than '01+) and with my bolt on's, I still can't beat him and he is bone stock, even from a roll he still gets me. He wasn't racing.

[MarauderSM]

Or he cant drive a stick.

Your friend could have lucked up on an inexperienced driver.

[RR|Suki]

Or he cant drive a stick.

Your friend could have lucked up on an inexperienced driver.

Lightnings are autos ;)

[Marauder386]

Que? without some serious mods a marauder should not be beating a Lightning I'm sorry. Lightning driver would have to suck something feirce... lighting is a 14.2 tuck in the first year of the blower... cut .4 or so off that for the improved years, and that's stock


Yes, grasshopper, it is very true...they are just breaking into 11's and they only race each other and adamantly refuse to give me a go. Sorry to let the air out of your ballon but from a dead start, from a roll, and rolling at 55, they will not try me.


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[RR|Suki]

Yes, grasshopper, it is very true...they are just breaking into 11's and they only race each other and adamantly refuse to give me a go. Sorry to let the air out of your ballon but from a dead start, from a roll, and rolling at 55, they will not try me.


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1. I've been driving race cars since I was 11, I'm hardly a grasshopper.

2. You def aren't letting any air out of anything becasue what I said still stands, without serious mods a marauder isn't hanging with a lghtning... this thread is about a marauder with a couple bolt ons beating the heck out of a Lightning.

Whether or not you can beat one is besides the point really... I can beat Lightnings too, doesn't mean they are slow, and doesn't mean a marauder with a few bolt ons can touch even a stock L.

[kariamack]

I don't know but from wat I seen and heard he was racing ....I mean He even ask us what we had under are hoods

[coreyyodaddy]

i was the lucky one who raced that lightnig that night and maybe it was a fluke or maybe he was inexperienced driver but one things for sure he was giving it all he had and he never let off the gas he even took the time out at the next light to ask me what i had in my car. so like your boy vin deisel said in the fast and the furious winning is winning i won he lost and he picked the wrong night to race a marauder.

[Bradley G]

Nice to see you representing the Marauder spirit!
Just don't expect the same results, repeatedly.
Supercharged Lightnings are much faster than mildly modified Marauders.

i was the lucky one who raced that lightnig that night and maybe it was a fluke or maybe he was inexperienced driver but one things for sure he was giving it all he had and he never let off the gas he even took the time out at the next light to ask me what i had in my car. so like your boy vin deisel said in the fast and the furious winning is winning i won he lost and he picked the wrong night to race a marauder.

[coreyyodaddy]

yes i do agree with you but that fact alone wont change the way that dude felt that night when a marauder whooped his a** nor will i forget the expression he had on his face
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_34_2.gif

[MarauderSM]

Lets agree to disagree.

Nice win.

I beat you asked him "Who's Your Daddy".

[Bradley G]

Can you imagine what hesitation troubles Mr Lightning has with his truck, to get a whoppin' from you? :confused:

yes i do agree with you but that fact alone wont change the way that dude felt that night when a marauder whooped his a** nor will i forget the expression he had on his face
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_34_2.gif

[Marauder386]

1. I've been driving race cars since I was 11, I'm hardly a grasshopper.

2. You def aren't letting any air out of anything becasue what I said still stands, without serious mods a marauder isn't hanging with a lghtning... this thread is about a marauder with a couple bolt ons beating the heck out of a Lightning.

Whether or not you can beat one is besides the point really... I can beat Lightnings too, doesn't mean they are slow, and doesn't mean a marauder with a few bolt ons can touch even a stock L.


Cool yer jets, Oh Youth of Today ... yer getting all swelled up for a fight instead of just reading the written word and digesting it for future reference.


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[RR|Suki]

Cool yer jets, Oh Youth of Today ... yer getting all swelled up for a fight instead of just reading the written word and digesting it for future reference.


:cool:

perhaps you are the one who needs to read. 1. you came talking to me like you know me 2. without reading what I wrote.

My statement was simple, without some serious mods a marauder is not as fast as a Lightning, you replied like you were teaching me something, this conversation had nothing to do with blown marauders, had to do with what is was off with the lightning, making it go down to a Marauder with a few bolt ons...

Youth of today... ok guy, and how many years of racecar seat time do you have? :lol:

[coreyyodaddy]

hey i wasnt trying to start any trouble by posting my comment im not claiming that my marauder is faster than a lightning i was simply stating that he tried me,i raced him and he lost. End of story so im sure we allcould be civilized in here

[Marauder386]

perhaps you are the one who needs to read. 1. you came talking to me like you know me 2. without reading what I wrote.

My statement was simple, without some serious mods a marauder is not as fast as a Lightning, you replied like you were teaching me something, this conversation had nothing to do with blown marauders, had to do with what is was off with the lightning, making it go down to a Marauder with a few bolt ons...

Youth of today... ok guy, and how many years of racecar seat time do you have? :lol:


Well, between ASA,SCCA and my job, I have over 35 years in the seat. And again, as so many of your generation do, you are instantly on the defense and going for the jugular vein. Just stop your explosive retort and you reread what I said. Or do you have a problem with any older figures that may have already gone done the road that you have only just payed the toll for ?


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[RR|Suki]

Sorry guys, but the Lightning is a really heavy truck as required by the Feds so FOMOCO could juice up the S/C...I have a gang of friends up here that have spent way too much money on upgrading their L's and they wholeheartedly admit that RoadPig 1 and 2 would give them a good azz cutting ... I keep trying to get just ONE of them to have a go with me but they always beg off ...


:cool:


Que? without some serious mods a marauder should not be beating a Lightning I'm sorry. Lightning driver would have to suck something feirce... lighting is a 14.2 tuck in the first year of the blower... cut .4 or so off that for the improved years, and that's stock


Yes, grasshopper, it is very true...they are just breaking into 11's and they only race each other and adamantly refuse to give me a go. Sorry to let the air out of your ballon but from a dead start, from a roll, and rolling at 55, they will not try me.


:cool:

I actually did read, perhaps turn your attention to the bolded areas, where the post is started off tpoic with 0 reference to a valid question asked... how does a bolt on MM spank a Lightning... to which you respond as if to say "this is no supprise they are heavy and admit that my marauder will beat them" so what? what does that have to do with anything at all?
Then please continue to read where I point out that a marauder needs some good modding to do that to a lightning, then you come back calling me grasshopper like your irst post had any relevance to the question asked.

Oh and LOL I guess since I race in 4 difference types of series my 13 years has become 52 years of seat time then huh... who adds years like that ?:lol:

[Marauder386]

:sleepy: Again, are you finished with your repeated attack mode ? Its gotten extremely boring and exhaustive to keep doing battle with you...


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[RR|Suki]

:sleepy: Again, are you finished with your repeated attack mode ? Its gotten extremely boring and exhaustive to keep doing battle with you...


:cool:

:lol: that's what I thought

[Raudermaster]

Let me try and help RR, A mildly, no wait, let me rephrase that, hell a GOOD modded N/A MM won't touch an L from a dig for sure, a roll you might get him since he will probably lose traction. The truck to me sounds definately *****ed up or the kid doesn't know the meaning of "boost." Guy at work had a sweet '03 SB L, he took it up to NED, the freakin' thing ran 13.2 with nothing more than a some DR's out back.

[Marauder386]

:lol: that's what I thought

Just stop trying to have the last word and let it lie...okay ?


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[Bradley G]

Did the Lightning blow a plug?
That would explain how you beat a much faster vehicle.

[frythatrice]

man, i wish i was there. matt just never takes me up there:mad2:

[94_302]

Sorry guys, but the Lightning is a really heavy truck as required by the Feds so FOMOCO could juice up the S/C...I have a gang of friends up here that have spent way too much money on upgrading their L's and they wholeheartedly admit that RoadPig 1 and 2 would give them a good azz cutting ... I keep trying to get just ONE of them to have a go with me but they always beg off ...


:cool:

What have your friends done to their Lightning and what do you have done to your Marauder? A simple chip/Filter/Pulley should put any year lightning into the 12's on street tires.

Really heavy? 4,670 lbs (http://www.svtlightnings.com/faq1/faq.htm)
A stock Marauders curb weight is what like 4,200?

If you're N/A and the L owners you speak of have spent "way too much money" on Performance upgrades for their L they may want to take it to a place for a Dyno Tune because there is something wrong with their truck.

[RR|Suki]

What have your friends done to their Lightning and what do you have done to your Marauder? A simple chip/Filter/Pulley should put any year lightning into the 12's on street tires.

Really heavy? 4,670 lbs (http://www.svtlightnings.com/faq1/faq.htm)
A stock Marauders curb weight is what like 4,200?

If you're N/A and the L owners you speak of have spent "way too much money" on Performance upgrades for their L they may want to take it to a place for a Dyno Tune because there is something wrong with their truck.

carefull you'll end up a grasshopper too ;)

[NO5.0]

I know Im new here but had to put my 2 cents in. I own a trailblazer SS and raced a lightning around an 02. We were pretty tight all the way til 95 mph with me a littl ahead. I know my truck is 14.2-13.9 stock trim. If a bolt on marauder can run this then there is your win especially if there was any tire spin on the lightning. thanks

[Raudermaster]

Are you stock? If so, the L wasn't racing, or the driver didn't know how to race. My friend has a '99, the lowest rated L of them all, and he is bone stinking stock with 63k and a new factory tranny, and he's beat 3 Trailblazer SS', all AWD too. And we've already established that this L driver did not know how to drive apparently.

[QWK SVT]

Just to chime in, I own both a Marauder and Lightning, so I think I can be fairly objective...

With nothing more than a JLT, 4.10s & Lidio Tune, my MM has seen 14.2 in good weather. That's close to a stock Lightning time (in hot humid weather). Add 1 poor driver to the Lightning, and it could be close... Particularly if it's from a punch. A Lightning with a bad launch loses a lot of it's edge... Now it's trying to overpower the fact it has the aerodynamics of a brick.

ANY mods to the Lightning plus a halfway decent driver in the seat (feather the pedal rather than smash it down and spin) and the Marauder won't be close. With little seat time, I was around 13.6 stock. Simple bolt ons will liven the "really heavy" truck up, quite nicely. I have several traction-limited 12.5 timeslips to prove it... 2001L with 6lb pulley, exhaust (stock manifolds), K&N FIPK and a really good tune for pump gas.

As a guess for what caused the Lightning to be so slow... Boot Bypass? I know I did that once, when I first had the truck (and was still very stock). Spun the tires to clean off and warm them up. Got to the line and launched, but the bypass was enabled, so for that run I was driving a mean sounding normally aspirated F150, with lower compression... There goes my bracket racing for the day :shake: I was worried, but met a guy with a S/C'ed Harley Davidson, who showed me what happened.

You beat that Lightning, on that day... Try again and YMMV.

[Pat]

Pray tell what is that and how does it work.

There have been other reports of N/A MM's beating Lightenings greeted with incredulous commententary.

Maybe boot by-pass is the reason.

Recognized your signature, good to have you back.

[Raudermaster]

Yes, do explain.

[NO5.0]

Are you stock? If so, the L wasn't racing, or the driver didn't know how to race. My friend has a '99, the lowest rated L of them all, and he is bone stinking stock with 63k and a new factory tranny, and he's beat 3 Trailblazer SS', all AWD too. And we've already established that this L driver did not know how to drive apparently.
I always here my friends car beat this car or that car. My TBSS is all stock except a k&n filter and good driving. I took the lightning off the line and he never reeled me in. It was close but I got him this time. Just saying if the marauder had work done it would be just as close. Ill tell you guys soon as I now have an 04 Marauder and still have my 06 SS. New race coming up!

[Raudermaster]

If you don't believe me you could drive up? :dunno:

[Illss]

I encountered one today an didnt bother . I've driven a 12.3 timeslip lightning an thought it was stock at work an almost lost control (Customer was an old friend an didnt say becareful) . They are insane monsters if they HOOK as with any fast car/truck.

[QWK SVT]

Pray tell what is that and how does it work.

There have been other reports of N/A MM's beating Lightenings greeted with incredulous commententary.

Maybe boot by-pass is the reason.

Recognized your signature, good to have you back.

Thanks for the welcome back! :beer:

I'm sure a search on NLOC would be more insightful then I am, but I'll try my best to explain...

The bypass valve is integrated in the stock Lightning... When low engine power is required, the bypass allows air to enter the engine without passing through the supercharger - so when you're not accellerating hard, you're not in a boost situation...

Under normal engine operating conditions (not WOT), vacuum is supplied to the bypass valve. The valve opens, and diverts excess airflow before going into the intake manifold.

At wide open (or heavier accelleration to it), vacuum is removed from the bypass valve causing it to close. There's a solenoid, that controls intake manifold vacuum to the vacuum bypass actuator. This directs all airflow from the supercharger to the intake manifold, allowing the truck to promptly put you in the back of the seat.

Sounds good, right? Well here's the problem (from a performance point of view) - the solenoid to bypass vacuum can also be activated when there is greater than maximum allowable boost measured... The bypass reduces the boost pressure, making everything normal, so that you don't have a situation with "too much boost" being applied - heaven forbid!

This is most commonly experienced right after a burn out (particularly if the drive hits against the rev limiter). So you warm them up; get to the line; hear the eaton screaming; but at the end of the track scratch your head wondering why you ran so slow... Been there, done that...

This is easily overcome by unplugging a wire, or purchasing a "Boost Bypass Kit" many vendors sell (it's not worth it - I just disconnected the wire, myself to accomplish the same goal). Basically, this easy fix allows you to keep boost at the maximum level when under WOT. Does not increase performance, only stops the system from hindering it...

Hope that makes sense...

[Raudermaster]

Thanks for clearing that up. Does it affect the drivability of the truck at all? Or just ensures the truck is boosting at the max at all times in a way?

[fastcar]

Just to chime in, I own both a Marauder and Lightning, so I think I can be fairly objective...

With nothing more than a JLT, 4.10s & Lidio Tune, my MM has seen 14.2 in good weather. That's close to a stock Lightning time (in hot humid weather). Add 1 poor driver to the Lightning, and it could be close... Particularly if it's from a punch. A Lightning with a bad launch loses a lot of it's edge... Now it's trying to overpower the fact it has the aerodynamics of a brick.

ANY mods to the Lightning plus a halfway decent driver in the seat (feather the pedal rather than smash it down and spin) and the Marauder won't be close. With little seat time, I was around 13.6 stock. Simple bolt ons will liven the "really heavy" truck up, quite nicely. I have several traction-limited 12.5 timeslips to prove it... 2001L with 6lb pulley, exhaust (stock manifolds), K&N FIPK and a really good tune for pump gas.

As a guess for what caused the Lightning to be so slow... Boot Bypass? I know I did that once, when I first had the truck (and was still very stock). Spun the tires to clean off and warm them up. Got to the line and launched, but the bypass was enabled, so for that run I was driving a mean sounding normally aspirated F150, with lower compression... There goes my bracket racing for the day :shake: I was worried, but met a guy with a S/C'ed Harley Davidson, who showed me what happened.

You beat that Lightning, on that day... Try again and YMMV.

I agree with QWK,

I raced a Lightning and a Harley at New England Dragway Halloween night, and took them both. They were running low to mid 14s, I was running high 13s. My guess is the car was bone stock, and maybe a slow example, while your friend's is a good MM, with some mods.

Like you, when I lined up, I thought 'I'm going to get KILLED'. I was very pleasantly surprised :D

The thing with the Ls is if you breath on them, you can go really fast, quick, because you can crank up the boost, and they respond really well to modding. There is almost no limit with them. If you race one, just hope it's STOCK!

fastcar:burnout:

[Raudermaster]

fastcar, I guarantee the HD was N/A. Not all had the S/C's, I want to say only the '02's were blown. Perhaps the L had a bad driver, or experienced what QWK just told us. Either way, good kills!