#7 Progress Report w/video: 13.83 @ 100.13 MPH! It's official: MY CAR IS A FREAK!!!

[fastcar]

Guys,

I went racing Wednesday night at New England Dragway and found out something shocking: MY CAR'S A FREAK!

I ripped off multiple 13 second time slips N/A, with just a few easy bolt-ons and gears!!! I am so stinking excited, I still can't contain myself. :banana2:

The best run I had previously using the VC-200 was 14.41 @ 99. The computer reacts immediately, and does not give you a 10" roll-out, so the times are normally a bit slower than at the track. So, I was hoping for AT BEST 14.20s.

Well, it was Halloween evening, and I went trick or treating. The first run I took my wife on, I ran an F-150 Lightning. I was resigned, and believed it would positively KILL me. I took him with a 14.22 @ 98 v 14.26 @ 97! I was shocked. I immediately, but politely told wifey to get out ;). I was going to try and go for a 14.12 (she weighs 100lbs, give or take, so I guessed she'd be worth 1/10th in the bleachers). I was rewarded well: my next run was 14.12 @ 98!

Well, I was feeling pretty satisfied, given I STILL DON'T EVEN HAVE A CONVERTER, so I parked my car, opened the hood, and had dinner. Well, while I was eating a Philly steak and cheese, someone's driveshaft let go and dumped oil all over the track, so there was another 45 minute delay on top of my dinner delay. By the time I got back on the track, my car was really cooled down. While waiting in line, I would start it, move forward and turn it off immediately. Also, I ran on the lane they had just fixed up with friction enhancing compounds.

This race was to be my best. My remaining races came quickly, and the car kept getting hotter and hotter. This first race was also my toughest: I lined up with a Suburu WRX STi. I beat him at the tree with a .106 R/T to his .207, but it took him less than 60 feet to make up the deficit, with his 1.97 60ft to my 2.14 :eek:. He had me by a car-length at mid track, 2 by the finish line and beat me with a 13.56 @ 103 to my 13.83 @ 100. NOTWITHSTANDING, I HAD IN HAND AN UNBELIEVABLE 13 SECOND TIME SLIP!!! :beer: Plus, I was proud he got me by just 27 hundredths :D. BTW, I enjoyed my best 60' time of the night on this run: 2.14. My average was around 2.19. And remember - I STILL DON'T HAVE A CONVERTER!

The rest of the night I went trick or treating and ate all kinds of tasty bites: an older Vette, a big block Camaro, a small block Camaro, F-150 Lightnings, and various imports. You can watch me try a tasty rice treat here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMO6l69ewCA

Guys, I'm still in shock. This car has only a K&N CAI, Steeda UDs, Lidio's Race Gas tune, FMS 4.10 gears and a Condensator. EVEN CORRECTED MY TIME IS 13.88 at just a fraction off 100. So, it's not like crazy ambient conditions are to credit. THIS CAR IS PLAIN FAST, and I just never realized it. When I mentioned in my last report my goal was 13s, Blackened said I might already be there. He was right. Oh, yeah. :cool4:

And imagine: this thing's got 110,000 on the clock, apparently a bad carbon build up problem (I have the surging cold idle situation) and also a rough hot idle, to boot.

Thanks gang for all your companionship and support this year 2007. You have been great, and I'm really happy to be here. :)

I'm still planning on a PI 3600 RPM converter for the spring. MAN, HOW FAST WILL I GO THEN??? I can't wait to find out. Those things are suppose to be worth .5-.7 seconds. Might I be teetering on a 12 second time slip by April??? Maybe I can put it over the top with a manifold spacer, EGR delete and Stewart water pump??? Let me know all the little cheap mods you guys have been keeping secret ;). Also, what do you guys think the converter will REALLY get me? Take care and have fun. Also, check out my time slip below.

fastcar :burnout:

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Amazing times. Congrats. And I love how you burned that ricer on the video there. Oh and losing to a wrx STi by only .27 sec is very good.

[whoskal]

Congrats on the times!!!

[Aren Jay]

Cars do tend to get faster the nore they are used.

Nice showing the Mazda guy who is the first on race day.

[Billzstangin66]

wow, good job man- that car is BAD ASS!

my 347ci with 330whp/370wtrq mustang with a 5-speed and 3.89 gears is only doing mid 13's on street tires...

I need a marauder very badly ;(

[Motorhead350]

I can't wait to be sharing my stories of victory!

[Pops]

Good job! Keep on working on it.

[fastcar]

Thanks, guys. I'm really having a good time with this car. Dusting imports is probably the most gratifying part of it:P

You folks running PI TCs, in your experience did these things really strip .5-.7 off your ETs? Could I really be looking at low 13s in the spring???

fastcar:burnout:

[Local Boy]

Right on fastcar...Good to hear all is going well for you...

I too 'am looking to get a TC...

From what I understand a smaller (9.5), and lighter TC will spool up quicker...thus rendering faster times...

Good Luck...

ALOHA

[Meteorite]

Great run, fastcar!



And imagine: this thing's got 110,000 on the clock, apparently a bad carbon build up problem

Maybe the carbon build up has raised your compression ratio! :coolman:

[Raudermaster]

Good times man! I wish I could have gone that night with you. :( I have a quick question, who put your 4.10's in for you?

[mpearce]

Very good times. Your excitement reminds me of how I was when I first started racing.

Your key...Lidio's race gas tune. It's simply perfect...hands down. I almost strictly use 100 octane in my MM anyway because it's so readily available. It's very aggressive in comparison to my 93 octane tune. There is definitely a seat of the pants difference.

Now...you should credit cool temps and track prep into consideration.

I'll tell you this right now...in order to dig any further into the 13's you will need headers, and a torque converter. Even when you have "both" of those...you will not be anywhere near 12's. More like 13.50's to 13.30's of you're "lucky."

Good luck, and keep up the good work.

If you want a secret as to how to run a 13.2 N/A, ask CRUZTAKER. He's the fastest N/A MM period...without changing the motor. I'm not too far behind.

-Mat

[ctrlraven]

Thanks, guys. I'm really having a good time with this car. Dusting imports is probably the most gratifying part of it:P

You folks running PI TCs, in your experience did these things really strip .5-.7 off your ETs? Could I really be looking at low 13s in the spring???

fastcar:burnout:

Awesome time!

If you get a torque converter you should get a re-tune. I installed a PI 3500 and went from going 14.25-.27 (minus converter, intake spacer, control arms) to 14.40-.50. My tune still isn't right, I have a flat spot from 30-60mph. Car launches hard, smokes tires from a stand still and pulls very hard from 60mph on up. Since you already have 4.10 gears that and a converter are going to work hand in hand especially if you get a higher stall like mine. On another note, with even running a slower time I had a faster mph and I wasn't spinning wheels off the start I would just move a lot faster after the 1/8 mark. At MVV while racing against some other close timed cars we would close off the start by 1/8 mile they would have the slight lead and then I would catch and pass before the finish line.

[Pops]

I have all of those mods on the the GM and it runs lots of 13.50s. 13.51 is the best. I have a PI 3500 convertor and MT ET that are 10 inches wide. It seems very hard to get it below the 13.50 mark. Race weight on my car is about 4290 lbs. My ets are not corrected just the real thing. It will be a lot faster next year with a new motor and a Vortech. Keep up the excitement and have fun. You are doing great!

[fastcar]

Right on fastcar...Good to hear all is going well for you...

Thanks Local


Great run, fastcar! Maybe the carbon build up has raised your compression ratio! :coolman:

Ha! That's funny. Say, was that 14.12 @ 98 before or after the mods you list? If it was BEFORE we need to talk! :eek:


Good times man! I wish I could have gone that night with you. :( I have a quick question, who put your 4.10's in for you?

Thanks Rauder. Man, I know, I wish I could have hooked up with you. Every Friday or Sunday I would try to go, it would rain out. Wednesday night was a last minute decision. Don't worry. We have the spring! :-D

As for the gears, Donovan's alignment in Waltham did them for $300 no diff rebuild, $350 with diff rebuild. PM me if you get serious. He is REALLY good, and does them regularly. Whisper quiet, just like stock. I couldn't be happier. Actually quieter than stock, because the pinion bearing was starting to whine a little, and he changed it out. He's very meticulous. He listens carefully to the car before and after, under a variety of road conditions to make sure it's just as good or better when he's done.

fastcar:burnout:

[Raudermaster]

As for the gears, Donovan's alignment in Waltham did them for $300 no diff rebuild, $350 with diff rebuild. PM me if you get serious. He is REALLY good, and does them regularly. Whisper quiet, just like stock. I couldn't be happier. Actually quieter than stock, because the pinion bearing was starting to whine a little, and he changed it out. He's very meticulous. He listens carefully to the car before and after, under a variety of road conditions to make sure it's just as good or better when he's done.

fastcar:burnout:

That's good, I want them as quiet as possible. I'll def PM you if I decide to put them in before winter.

[fastcar]

Your key...Lidio's race gas tune. It's simply perfect...hands down. I almost strictly use 100 octane in my MM anyway because it's so readily available.

Thanks Mat. Are you talking about using GT100 on the street or at the strip? You must mean at the strip...


I'll tell you this right now...in order to dig any further into the 13's you will need headers, and a torque converter. Even when you have "both" of those...you will not be anywhere near 12's. More like 13.50's to 13.30's of you're "lucky."

So I take it you didn't get the big .5-.7 reduction that PI is claiming with this converter?


Good luck, and keep up the good work.

If you want a secret as to how to run a 13.2 N/A, ask CRUZTAKER. He's the fastest N/A MM period...without changing the motor. I'm not too far behind.

-Mat

Thanks, Mat. Is it really true? CRUZTAKER has the quickest N/A MM known to man? No one has broken into the 12s yet, N/A?

Mat, Did you ever correct your times? I'm curious if your car is actually quicker than 13.67. Please send a link to your garage, or post all your mods. I'm really interested in how you got to 13.67. Your speed is just a fraction higher than mine, leading me to believe that we are making similar RWHP. But, do you have headers? All the difference in our time slips was the first 60 ft. You can hook, with a 1.99, I'm still weak with a 2.145.


Awesome time!

If you get a torque converter you should get a re-tune. I installed a PI 3500 and went from going 14.25-.27 (minus converter, intake spacer, control arms) to 14.40-.50. My tune still isn't right.

Thanks Ctrl,

Wow, your post has me REALLY scratching my head. YOU LOST TIME WITH THE PI CONVERTER??? CTRL, please go here: http://www.smokemup.com/auto_math/corr_get_da.php or here:
http://www.modulardepot.com/density.php and correct both time slips and re-compare them.

Perhaps your car is actually faster with the converter, once you correct the time slips?

I just don't understand what happened with your car. What is there to re-tune with a converter? It simply makes the motor rev more when you floor it, so it's in the power band. Man, I just don't know what to think about your experience:confused:

However, I do know that blackened300A has a corrected time slip of 13.68, which is just 2/10s faster than my corrected 13.88, and he HAS the converter. True, he doesn't have the race gas tune, or Condensator, BUT, he does have the PHP spacer, Stewart water pump, Accufab throttle body and better tires, which should bring us closer, minus the converter. This would suggest the converter may be worth just .2-.3 seconds??? I'd like to know better what to expect from this part. It's NOT cheap, and the install is NOT easy, either.

fastcar:burnout:

[mpearce]

Fastcar...you threw a lot at me, and I don't have much time...so here's the meat and potatoes.

My mods

-SCT Chip with Lidio's tune 93 octane, and 100 octane.
-4.10 Gears
-K&N Cold Air Intake
-Stainless Works Long Tube Headers
-Full 2 1/2" custom exhaust w/x-pipe, Flow40's, Deletes
-PI 3000 stall torque converter
-Nitto Drag radials on 9 1/2" widened wheels

Yes, I use 100 octane on the street. CAM2 is the brand name. (Speedway)

You've got to think about the "collective gain" with all of your mods together. If you have a bone stock MM, and you slap a 3000 stall torque converter on, then yea, you'll get a .7 tenth reduction. But if you've already got mods that make you fast, and you do the same thing...the "collective gain" will still be there, but may not be as much as when you had no mods.

As far as "correcting" drag times...I don't do that. There's no point. You run what you run, period.

Good luck.

-Mat

[mpearce]

Also let me add...

It's much easier to go from a 15.2 to a 14.2, than it is to go from a 14.2 to a 13.2....and so on. The faster you get, it's exponentially harder to get those gains, than it is when you're slow.

IMO you can't get a N/A MM into the 13.1-12.9 realm without touching the motor, or using a power adder, or running your car downhill or at a strip below seal level at 20 below zero. :D

-Mat

p.s. stick with mods that are "proven" to make you faster, or add HP. (Tunes, Headers, Gears, Torque Converters) I say that because there are 2 very popular mods that MM'ers usually do, that add absolutely nothing to your RWHP #. (1. Gears, 2. A Torque Converter.) IMO, these two mods are seat of the pants wise...some of the best out there...but add no real HP...they just make your HP more readily available. Don't waste your money on cheap little things.

[Blackmobile]

With most of my mods listed the best I did was a 14.2, and the I had the tranny built up to hold 700 HP including a 3500 stall TC. At my last run in Atlanta I went down to a 13.7 with DR's but no high Octane tune(I do have a Reinhart tune), but I still ran 100 octane. I'm hoping with a 100 octane tune I could then reach Johnkuhn's 13.5s or dare I say lower.

Ed

[Pops]

Good Luck! The bar is set pretty hard and I am watching with great interest. I have done a lot of things to the GM and a lot of them just made the car more consistent. I have not tried the 100 octane tune and have wondered about it. Better times were acheived by Cruztaker but I have not been able to catch Barrys times. At this point to go faster the best way is a power adder of form. Someone was talking about diminishing value on the mods and I think that I am there. Thats why I going with a Cobra iron block and a host of changes in it, plus new cams and a sc. I want to be in the 11s and think that it will be cheaper in the long run this way. I do have to say that I have loved the NA chapter and will miss it. That need for speed has bitten. If you ever want to talk PM for my number and I will run you thru my mods.

[sailsmen]

Congrats on the time.

The best I ran w/ the same mods on a street tune was 14.2.

I experimented with the correction and helpful but like anythingelse not perfect.

It appears to max out the amount of correction.

For instance I put in my best time in ideal weather which it only slightly corrrected and my worst in horrible which it corrected but still not enough to come close to the best time.

My point being yes you have a fast car. If you were running in ideal conditions the corrected time may not reflect it.

With out the temp and humidity there is no reference. The track altitude makes a difference.

[Blackened300a]

BRAVO Fastcar!!! I hope to join you in the elite 13 second club in two weeks from now.
13.8's with no convertor is something to be proud of.
Hope to one day race you head to head.

[Raudermaster]

He's all talk! I'll race him soon enough and be the judge of that. :P;):bows:

[mpearce]

I just noticed Fastcar is from Boston. Probably a red sox fan. From here on out, I hope your MM runs 16.9's! :D

-Mat

[Joe Walsh]

Thanks, Mat. Is it really true? CRUZTAKER has the quickest N/A MM known to man? No one has broken into the 12s yet, N/A?


fastcar:burnout:

Not on a stock block & heads Marauder...Barry got real close with a 13.2 N/A.

I've run 12.9s N/A on a built engine and OEM 3.55 gears.



IMO you can't get a N/A MM into the 13.1-12.9 realm without touching the motor, or using a power adder, or running your car downhill or at a strip below seal level at 20 below zero. :D



I'd agree with that...I think that Barry had done just about everything you can do to a N/A stock block Marauder.

[mpearce]

Not on a stock block & heads Marauder...Barry got real close with a 13.2 N/A.

I've run 12.9s N/A on a built engine and OEM 3.55 gears.



I'd agree with that...I think that Barry had done just about everything you can do to a N/A stock block Marauder.


Yep...not to mention Barry weighs about 150 if he's lucky! I'm 290lbs! I suppose if I weighed 150lbs, maybe I'd run a tenth faster?? :D

-Mat

[fastcar]

Fastcar...
My mods

-SCT Chip with Lidio's tune 93 octane, and 100 octane.
-4.10 Gears
-K&N Cold Air Intake
-Stainless Works Long Tube Headers
-Full 2 1/2" custom exhaust w/x-pipe, Flow40's, Deletes
-PI 3000 stall torque converter
-Nitto Drag radials on 9 1/2" widened wheels

Yes, I use 100 octane on the street. CAM2 is the brand name. (Speedway)

Mat, go to smokemup.com and correct your timeslip. I BELIEVE YOUR CAR MUST BE FASTER THAN THAT. Listen, you've got the full exhaust (!) and the CONVERTER and DRAG RADIAL, and you ran just 2/10s faster than me? I don't believe it. Your drag radials gave you an extra -.16 on the 60 foot, and that's most of the difference right there. And our trap speeds are the same? Those headers have got to be worth SOMETHING. And the converter... OK, you are 290, so I should deduct .15 right there compared to me. So the difference is -.35. Still, doesn't seem enough...
WHAT ABOUT A DYNO TUNE FOR YOUR HEADERS? Maybe you are missing 20 HP, because you are using a generic tune. Lidio told me that if I did much more to my car, I'd need to go on the dyno. What do you think???

fastcar:burnout:

can't believe you use GT100 on the street! :eek: $$$$$$

[fastcar]

Also let me add...

IMO you can't get a N/A MM into the 13.1-12.9 realm without touching the motor, or using a power adder, or running your car downhill or at a strip below seal level at 20 below zero. :D

-Mat



This may become my next goal: BE THE FIRST MARAUDER IN THE 12s ON THE STOCK LONG BLOCK N/A. I think it can be done.

[fastcar]

With most of my mods listed the best I did was a 14.2, and the I had the tranny built up to hold 700 HP including a 3500 stall TC. At my last run in Atlanta I went down to a 13.7 with DR's but no high Octane tune(I do have a Reinhart tune), but I still ran 100 octane. I'm hoping with a 100 octane tune I could then reach Johnkuhn's 13.5s or dare I say lower.

Ed

Thanks for the experience. I'd be interested to see what happens if you correct the two timeslips. I wonder if they really are .5 seconds apart, corrected... I can't help but wonder...

Amazing time, given it's without headers. What is the DR Cobra exhaust kit? Just manifolds, right?

fastcar:burnout:

[fastcar]

Good Luck! The bar is set pretty hard and I am watching with great interest. I have done a lot of things to the GM and a lot of them just made the car more consistent. I have not tried the 100 octane tune and have wondered about it. Better times were acheived by Cruztaker but I have not been able to catch Barrys times. At this point to go faster the best way is a power adder of form. Someone was talking about diminishing value on the mods and I think that I am there. Thats why I going with a Cobra iron block and a host of changes in it, plus new cams and a sc. I want to be in the 11s and think that it will be cheaper in the long run this way. I do have to say that I have loved the NA chapter and will miss it. That need for speed has bitten. If you ever want to talk PM for my number and I will run you thru my mods.

John, thanks for your post. Man, can you explain more about your car? I tried to find your garage, but could not. So, it a GM, but with a Marauder powertrain? What are your times? Your mods?

I'm CONVINCED you can go 12s NA, ESPECIALLY with a poked and stroked 4.6L. If you want 11s, then the easiest will be a turbo or S/C.

I love NA, though. I just love being on the motor.:D

fastcar:burnout:

[fastcar]

Congrats on the time.

My point being yes you have a fast car.

Thanks, sailsmen!


BRAVO Fastcar!!! I hope to join you in the elite 13 second club in two weeks from now.
13.8's with no convertor is something to be proud of.
Hope to one day race you head to head.

BLACKENED! Hey, how are you? It's great hearing from you. Thanks so much. I thought you dropped off the face of the earth!

Really, I hope you run 13.7s, man, honestly. I want you to join the club! :bandit: Really, your car used to be my favorite. Now my car is :)
Your going to get in. Count on it in two weeks, my friend. My wife said just leave your girl at the curb and you'll crack 13s, too :rofl:

Head to head would be great fun. Next year, for sure.

fastcar:burnout:

PS what do you think of the converter controversy? Your corrected time is just 2/10s faster than mine (13.68 v 13.88). Is that what it's worth???

[fastcar]

He's all talk! I'll race him soon enough and be the judge of that. :P;):bows:

Raudy baby, was that for blackened, or for me? You lost me there:confused: I do look forward to seeing you in the springtime at NE ;)

fastcar:burnout:

[fastcar]

I just noticed Fastcar is from Boston. Probably a red sox fan. From here on out, I hope your MM runs 16.9's! :D

-Mat

Mat, Boston loves your team. We should have played you for the World Series. Not Colorado. You guys are super, and we feel the pain for the team that doesn't win, because we came close too many times ourselves. We aren't conceited like the Evil Empire:rolleyes: Oh, oh. I may be starting something :o

fastcar:D

[fastcar]

Not on a stock block & heads Marauder...Barry got real close with a 13.2 N/A.

I've run 12.9s N/A on a built engine and OEM 3.55 gears.



I'd agree with that...I think that Barry had done just about everything you can do to a N/A stock block Marauder.

OK, this is the car I was thinking of. I KNEW I had seen someone with a 12 second NA car. Joe, if you used 4.10s, 4.30s or 4.56s, you would be looking at 12.6-12.7s for sure. That would be awesome.

I think I want my Marauder to go 12 seconds ON THE STOCK MOTOR. Stock long block. I'm sure it can be done. It won't be easy. But it will be fun trying!

fastcar:burnout:

[Blackened300a]

PS what do you think of the converter controversy? Your corrected time is just 2/10s faster than mine (13.68 v 13.88). Is that what it's worth???

I was on vacation for 8 days, Im still around!

My times were ran using 93 octane. At this time I dont have a race gas tune. If you ran your car on pump gas and then compared times, you'll see what improvement the convertor gives.

Boston isn't all that far, we may have to schedule a track day in the middle next year. Unless you wanna come down to E-town in NJ Nov 18th?

[mpearce]

Mat, Boston loves your team. We should have played you for the World Series. Not Colorado. You guys are super, and we feel the pain for the team that doesn't win, because we came close too many times ourselves. We aren't conceited like the Evil Empire:rolleyes: Oh, oh. I may be starting something :o

fastcar:D

It was a great series. My wife and I were at game 3, the first game back in Cleveland. Best, and loudest baseball game I have ever been to. Too bad we couldn't close it out here. Maybe next year.

-Mat

p.s. The car won't go 12.99 on the stock motor. The money you'd spend trying would be better spent on a supercharger.

[fastcar]

I was on vacation for 8 days, Im still around!

My times were ran using 93 octane. At this time I dont have a race gas tune. If you ran your car on pump gas and then compared times, you'll see what improvement the convertor gives.

Boston isn't all that far, we may have to schedule a track day in the middle next year. Unless you wanna come down to E-town in NJ Nov 18th?

True about the tune, but I think the PHP spacer and the water pump you have are probably worth 12 HP. My race gas tune is probably worth 30 HP, plus the Condensator, which I believe may add a couple. So, true, I may be ahead 20 HP (2/10s) after subtraction.

So, that means setup up like mine, you should be ahead 4/10s. If I could get that from the converter, I would be thrilled!

ctrlraven LOST 2/10s. I still don't know what's up with his car...

Is there a track in Conn we could meet at??? If so, I would consider Nov 18th...

fastcar:burnout:

[94_302]

If your looking into doing it N/A I would say you will want to go with the Stainless Works exhaust and port the heads as well as look into a ported intake. The ported lower intake may not generate a whole lot of peak power but from what I hear it generates a good amount under the curve. Look on the mach1registry.com for a guy by the username of Nazman or Orangeblast they port intakes. There is also someone who makes custom intake spacers that are larger than the php ones, his username on the site is Roy.

N/A is more expensive but I think if someone is motivated and has the funds 12's are possible N/A

[Raudermaster]

Hell, just look at John's GM. He has a MM engine with minimal bolt ons, and a ported intake. He runs 13's consistently.

[fastcar]

Hell, just look at John's GM. He has a MM engine with minimal bolt ons, and a ported intake. He runs 13's consistently.

Yeah, man. I want to learn more about his car - that thing really rolls.

fastcar:burnout: