How would I do against a Charger R/T

[dohc324ci]

I just picked up the Marauder and a few times I commuting home I have been tempted to test the Merc out against a Charger R/T. I know my Mustang GT can take it but was wondering if you guys ran up against one? I only have a drop in K&N and 3 Chamber Flowmasters.

[Jblue21]

i'd say with a sct tune and 4.10's itd be cake


I just picked up the Marauder and a few times I commuting home I have been tempted to test the Merc out against a Charger R/T. I know my Mustang GT can take it but was wondering if you guys ran up against one? I only have a drop in K&N and 3 Chamber Flowmasters.

[DeepSea117]

I say go for K&N FIPK instead. The tune and the gears should do it, with what you have, especially if you have a long enough road. Make sure to specify 91 octane gas when you get that tune, and the gears you're using. We got some 100 out the pump over in Redwood City, and 100 and 104 from 55 gallon drums right by my work in San Mateo. Save one slot for that high-octane tune :cool:

[Blackened300a]

Not gonna happen. Get some more mods.

[Raudermaster]

What Paul said, no way you'll come close with those two "mods."

[magindat]

I ate one up pretty regularly at Moroso with 4.10, PHP spacer, tune, JLT, and magnaflows.

[281cammer]

Let FastblackMerc chime in. His Wife has one

[94_302]

Get a tune and go from a roll. If it's the AWD version you can probably take him. I would say tune and 4.10's should be enough.

[fastblackmerc]

Let FastblackMerc chime in. His Wife has one

We haven't raced yet....

[281cammer]

We haven't raced yet....

Can't believe the Davester hasn't set that up yet :burnout:

[Granite]

question....those 4.10's...are they good all around or just for like short distances because i've heard that the 3.55's were better for highway racing...

[Blackmobile]

question....those 4.10's...are they good all around or just for like short distances because i've heard that the 3.55's were better for highway racing...

Comparing 4.10's to 3.55's, you will loose approximately 1 mile per gal. and 10 mph at the top end. But 4.10 are quite drivable all around.

[Marauderman]

We haven't raced yet....

........thats.....cause .........maybe try'n to fix it up a bit has been a hassel with wife using it so much....no time to have it alone to work on it --and not let her know...........naw.....that wouldn't be the case........naw...............

[Blackened300a]

Comparing 4.10's to 3.55's, you will loose approximately 1 mile per gal. and 10 mph at the top end. But 4.10 are quite drivable all around.

You can also add that you will lose a lot of your top end pulling power. My car is very potent from 0-115MPH. After that, its a very slow pull to top speed.
However, I wouldnt trade my 4.10's for anything. They are great for all around driving and passing power through the entire power band.

[FormulaMarauder]

Keep modding. I say headers, full exhaust, OD pulleys, CAI, tune, and 4.10's. Then, MAYBE.

[Blackmobile]

You can also add that you will lose a lot of your top end pulling power. My car is very potent from 0-115MPH. After that, its a very slow pull to top speed.
However, I wouldnt trade my 4.10's for anything. They are great for all around driving and passing power through the entire power band.

For the first part I'd have to disagree because I've had mine up to 140 MPH, and the MM had more balls.....But I didn't.

For the second part I totally concur.


Keep modding. I say headers, full exhaust, OD pulleys, CAI, tune, and 4.10's. Then, MAYBE.

More than maybe....when I was at that mod level R/T's were not much of a problem.

[Bobmiddle]

My old boss had an r/t when we raced he got me by about a fender and all I had was a K&N cai

[Jblue21]

ya rt's arent anything special i actually think they suck but if we are talking about srt's then theres more thought into it. just glad i can beat both in my sleep lol


My old boss had an r/t when we raced he got me by about a fender and all I had was a K&N cai

[Raudermaster]

Keep modding. I say headers, full exhaust, OD pulleys, CAI, tune, and 4.10's. Then, MAYBE.

I agree with Blackmobile, if you lose with those mods, you shouldn't be driving. I believe you mean UD pulleys, not OD.

[RedMerc04]

I agree with Blackmobile, if you lose with those mods, you shouldn't be driving. I believe you mean UD pulleys, not OD.
Yea, thats prettymuch the way my car is set up except for cobra manifolds as opposed to headers. Get a good launch and you're golden ;). If you really want to embarass go from a 20 MPH roll :coolman:

[fastcar]

Wouldn't know. Can't get any to race me :depress:

fastcar:burnout:

[Blackened300a]

Wouldn't know. Can't get any to race me :depress:

fastcar:burnout:

If only you lived closer.

[smithej450]

I actually raced against two. I did it from a Roll. I had and R/T pull alongside me at 70MPH. From 70 to 115MPH (R/T has a quicker takeoff because of the MM weight)he did get ahead of me by two maybe three car lengths. When we got in the 120MPH+ Threshold (The odds got even), I when around him at 130MPH+ that was it end of story; I pulled away. Samething happened when I raced another R/T coming back to San Antonio. Although I like 4.10 gears performance, I left my 3.55 gears in there because "Highspeed cruiser approach" I like. Your current mods won't work because the MM has alot of weight, increase your horsepower and RWHP to move it.

Some MM owners like 4.10s, some like 3.55s it is up to you in what you want to do.

[Paul T. Casey]

question....those 4.10's...are they good all around or just for like short distances because i've heard that the 3.55's were better for highway racing...

I may be the only one, but IMHO 4.10's aren't worth doing.

[3rdcoastmrauder]

when I had just a tune i had a kid in a R/T pull on me. With the cold air intake I took one from a 70 mph roll. In fact I let out and slowed to 60 mph (he was probably doin about 70+) to let him pass me for round two and reeled him back in by 120

[Seneca]

I may be the only one, but IMHO 4.10's aren't worth doing.
You're right your probably the only one:cool:

[Raudermaster]

It's funny, I think the '05 Maxima's are faster. I have a hard time beating those. R/T's I can do.

[Dragcity]

This is good to know. I have the tune, air intake and 4.10's and UD pulley.

Can't wait to see what she'll do at the track next year....

[Paul T. Casey]

You're right your probably the only one:cool:

14 flat and can pull most R/T's though, or should I say could. They (Moparists) are finally getting some tuning and parts. Watch out for them in the not so distant future.

[DOOM]

get TRILOGIZED and leave everyone behind even vettes:flamer:

[Pops]

A few of the Mopar guys are putting Vortecs and bottles on the car. They will run in the 11s! I see them in the perf. shop. They just did one that was from Florida. So beware as they have some bad rides. Drag racing Mopars are on the comeback and the Hemis will most likely rule again!

[Dragcity]

Gee, Mabe we should re-visit the formidable 429 or even better, the side oiler 427.

Oh wait, those would just get banned from racing again.

[fastcar]

If only you lived closer.

Why? You own an R/T?

fastcar;)

BTW, any luck getting to the track???

[fastcar]

I actually raced against two. I did it from a Roll. I had and R/T pull alongside me at 70MPH. From 70 to 115MPH (R/T has a quicker takeoff because of the MM weight)he did get ahead of me by two maybe three car lengths. When we got in the 120MPH+ Threshold (The odds got even), I when around him at 130MPH+ that was it end of story; I pulled away. Samething happened when I raced another R/T coming back to San Antonio. Although I like 4.10 gears performance, I left my 3.55 gears in there because "Highspeed cruiser approach" I like. Your current mods won't work because the MM has alot of weight, increase your horsepower and RWHP to move it.

Some MM owners like 4.10s, some like 3.55s it is up to you in what you want to do.

I'm really surprised the Chargers weigh less than the MMs. I thought they were real bloated pigs, like Mercedes.

fastcar:burnout:

[fastcar]

14 flat and can pull most R/T's though, or should I say could. They (Moparists) are finally getting some tuning and parts. Watch out for them in the not so distant future.

14 seconds is nice. But I'd rather go 13.75 in your car with 4.10s installed :P

fastcar:burnout:

[RCSignals]

A few of the Mopar guys are putting Vortecs and bottles on the car. They will run in the 11s! I see them in the perf. shop. They just did one that was from Florida. So beware as they have some bad rides. Drag racing Mopars are on the comeback and the Hemis will most likely rule again!

They should be careful on stock internals, especially the 6.2 engines.

[CRZYBIKER]

I only have a Lidio tune, improved trans. and stall converter. I ran one from 0-70 and we were absolutely neck and neck the whole time. he looked suprised.

[Paul T. Casey]

14 seconds is nice. But I'd rather go 13.75 in your car with 4.10s installed :P

fastcar:burnout:

I'll get there w/o gears. Looking for maybe 13.5's in the spring. Few ideas spinning in my head.

[JonW]

As the owner of a Charger Daytona, I find this thread quite amusing.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k311/DriveHeSaid/Daytona/DSCN0261.jpg

:popcorn:

[FormulaMarauder]

As the owner of a Charger Daytona, I find this thread quite amusing.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k311/DriveHeSaid/Daytona/DSCN0261.jpg

:popcorn:

Let's hear your take then! i said 4.10s, CAI, UD pulleys, headers, full exhaust, a tune, and MAYBE you will beat one.
Am I accurate here?

[TiTo35]

:banana2:Sound like a CHALLENGE:banana2:

[VAmarauder03]

Let's hear your take then! i said 4.10s, CAI, UD pulleys, headers, full exhaust, a tune, and MAYBE you will beat one.
Am I accurate here?


i was almost neck and neck with a co-workers r/t when i had 4.10's lidio tune, and a jlt

[Blackened300a]

Why? You own an R/T?

fastcar;)

BTW, any luck getting to the track???

You said you couldnt find anyone to race. Ill take a challenge anyday.

The weather went to hell out here so no luck getting ot the track. I will have my day.

[JonW]

Charger Daytona = 4013 pounds
Marauder = 4165 pounds

Charger Daytona = 350 hp
Marauder = 302 hp

The Charger is saddled with high (2.82) gears and a slow-shifting transmission. The Marauder is hampered with 48 less horsepower and more weight. Here's how it goes down: My modded Marauder will take my bone-stock Charger easily off the line (Yay 4.10s!). But once the Daytona gets rolling, 350 horsepower takes over, and it will roll past the Marauder. I've not raced either car at the strip, but I have the gut feeling that with a good launch, my Marauder will take the Charger in the quarter mile. 2.82 gears just don't cut it. Longer than a quarter mile, I'd have to give the race to Charger. If the Marauder is stock, I'd call it a close win for the Charger in the quarter mile. I've not looked at road tests to see how each car does in the quarter, these are just SOTP impressions from owning both cars.

Where the Charger really excels is at high speed. It is governed to 147 mph, I haven't had mine quite that fast. But at high speed, it feels much more stable and planted than the Marauder. I can feel the rear end of my Marauder getting light at high speed, not so the Charger. I know an LEO who has had his police Charger to 142 mph and he said it felt very stable at that speed.

In reality, they are 2 very different cars. The Marauder is old-school American muscle. It has the sound and feel of a musclecar. The Charger is more like a European touring car, which given it's Mercedes heritage, is appropriate. Comparing them to each other is a little apples-oranges kind of thing, in my opinion. But they're both a hoot to drive.

I call it a tie :)

[bugsys03]

How diplomatic of you. Are you a politician?

[Blackened300a]

If the Marauder is stock, I'd call it a close win for the Charger in the quarter mile. I've not looked at road tests to see how each car does in the quarter, these are just SOTP impressions from owning both cars.

Dodge Charger R/T performance according to Car and Driver..

C/D TEST RESULTS
ACCELERATION: Seconds
Zero to 30 mph: 2.2
40 mph: 3.1
50 mph: 4.3
60 mph: 5.6
70 mph: 7.1
80 mph: 9.2
90 mph: 11.4
100 mph: 13.9
110 mph: 16.7
120 mph: 20.8
130 mph: 26.0
140 mph: 32.6
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.8
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 2.8
50-70 mph: 3.5
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.2 sec @ 101 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 145 mph

Heres what Car and Driver had to say about the performance of the Marauder

At the track, the Marauder acquitted itself satisfactorily, but it is, after all, a 2.14-ton bolus, and it does not produce voluminous thrust at the pushrod-low revs of an Impala SS. With only 1500 miles on the clock, our test car scrabbled to 60 mph in 7.5 seconds (versus 6.5 for the Impala SS). It huffed through the quarter-mile in 15.5 seconds at 91 mph (versus 15.0 and 92 for the Impala). And its top speed—limited to avoid driveshaft vibration—was a wimpy 117 mph (versus 142 for the Impala).

Hands down, a stock Charger will smoke a Stock Marauder off the line, in the 1/4 and overall top end.

Thank God for mods!!!!

[JonW]

How diplomatic of you. Are you a politician?

It is an election year, you know :D

[safado]

Imagine the slaughter a SRT8 would do

[Raudermaster]

Maybe to a stock/bolt on'd MM, put an SRT up against an S/C MM and we'll see what happens.

[fastblackmerc]

........thats.....cause .........maybe try'n to fix it up a bit has been a hassel with wife using it so much....no time to have it alone to work on it --and not let her know...........naw.....that wouldn't be the case........naw...............

Need to install the CAI I bought in Marrietta.....

[JonW]

The Charger basically has two strikes against it. One, no one makes lower gears for them yet. Two, no one makes a tuner that really works. The DCX computer has yet to be cracked, and extra fuel delivery is an issue. So superchargers and turbos are also a problem. If someone ever cracks the computer and finds a way to deliver extra fuel (reliably), watch out. And yeah, don't mess with the SRTs.

[safado]

Nothing the MM will probably still lose... There is a place out here in cali that has a vortech kit for the R/Ts...can't remember the name...

[Raudermaster]

The Charger basically has two strikes against it. One, no one makes lower gears for them yet. Two, no one makes a tuner that really works. The DCX computer has yet to be cracked, and extra fuel delivery is an issue. So superchargers and turbos are also a problem. If someone ever cracks the computer and finds a way to deliver extra fuel (reliably), watch out. And yeah, don't mess with the SRTs.


I believe you mean HIGHER gears. ;)

[fastcar]

I'll get there w/o gears. Looking for maybe 13.5's in the spring. Few ideas spinning in my head.

Whatever you get, you'll be about .25 slower without them.

fastcar:burnout:

[fastcar]

You said you couldnt find anyone to race. Ill take a challenge anyday.

Any day, any time :flamer:

Ha! I've always wanted to say that :D


The weather went to hell out here so no luck getting ot the track. I will have my day.

That's a bummer. Yeah, once the snow lands, that pretty much ends the fun...

You'll get your 13 second time slip next year. But, in my book, the corrected time is the one that really counts. 13.688 is a really nice time, my friend ;).

fastcar:burnout:

[JonW]

I believe you mean HIGHER gears. ;)

No. Higher gear ratios are numerically lower. 2.82 gears are a higher ratio than 3.73, but numerically lower.

[Raudermaster]

I see, but I still say higher since the gear spins faster and gets the car up to speed but tops out faster.

[fastcar]

I see, but I still say higher since the gear spins faster and gets the car up to speed but tops out faster.

Raudy-baby, you know I love you, but Jon's right. For years racers have called numerically lower gears 'higher'. Think of when you shift to the next gear, it's a 'higher' gear, even though it's numerically lower. For years 3.00s and 2.73s were called 'tall', 'high' or even 'highway' gears.

3.73s, 4.11s, 4.56s etc were always called 'low' gears. I know it's confusing, but it's true. They are 'low' because they make your car act like it's stuck in a lower gear. 4th now feels like 3rd. So, we have to say either 'I need a lower gear' or 'I need numerically higher gears' to differentiate. Most just say the former, because it's convention. Hope that helps...

fastcar:burnout:

[MarauderMark]

Well in a 1/4 mile i have beaten a few Z06's(if the 1/4 mile was a lil bit longer i would lose but a win is a win).Looking to race an 300c Srt S/ced but Srt's w/o s/cers have no chance.So r/t's are in the rear veiw mirror all the time.
Still waiting for the roush 427 mustang to get me.

[Raudermaster]

Raudy-baby, you know I love you, but Jon's right. For years racers have called numerically lower gears 'higher'. Think of when you shift to the next gear, it's a 'higher' gear, even though it's numerically lower. For years 3.00s and 2.73s were called 'tall', 'high' or even 'highway' gears.

3.73s, 4.11s, 4.56s etc were always called 'low' gears. I know it's confusing, but it's true. They are 'low' because they make your car act like it's stuck in a lower gear. 4th now feels like 3rd. So, we have to say either 'I need a lower gear' or 'I need numerically higher gears' to differentiate. Most just say the former, because it's convention. Hope that helps...

fastcar:burnout:

D'oh! I see, that doesn't make sense to me lol but I will take yours and Jon's word.

[bugsys03]

The Charger basically has two strikes against it. One, no one makes lower gears for them yet. Two, no one makes a tuner that really works. The DCX computer has yet to be cracked, and extra fuel delivery is an issue. So superchargers and turbos are also a problem. If someone ever cracks the computer and finds a way to deliver extra fuel (reliably), watch out. And yeah, don't mess with the SRTs.


Diablo/Predator does make a tuner for the 5.7/6.1 now. They actually have made it so that the uneducated amongst us have been messing with the knock retard, timing, and fuel settings too much and have been burning pistons. OUCH!! Thats a 10k mistake. I think I will just leave my 13 flat stock car alone.

http://www.srt8oc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14253

Turbos/Superchargers also an iffy proposition due to the high compression we run.

[smithej450]

MM and Chargers owners,

I really enjoyed reading the posts. I would like to add a few points. The MM came out in 03-04; our dodge folks had time to observe and with technology advancements, make changes. I think one of the initial observations about the MM was the horsepower to weight ratio (alot of MM corrected this with mods). Dodge corrected that when they introduced the R/T. I suspect when chev release the new stock camaro, the stock charger will be at a significant disadvantage. The mods people will make high performance parts (just like the did for the MM) and the modified charger will smoke the stock camaro, just like the modified MM are smoking the stock chargers today (I don't know how it will do against the stock charger srt). Again, these are just general observations, (comparing apples to oranges abstract only) That is why I left my 3.55s in, to bust those chargers up on the top end.

[smithej450]

Do ya'll think mercury or ford will respond?

[JonW]

Do ya'll think mercury or ford will respond?

:laugh: Oh yeah. Prolly in 2012. :laugh: