Dealer Couldn't get a PATS key to program

[imorb1994]

I had purchased 1 key blank and 2 keyless remotes from the local ford dealership. Took car to get it programed today the quote was $60= 1/2 hour. Get a call three hours later the said the were unable to program the second key and tried a third. Still unable to program. Purchased this car the 15th froma dealer in texas that has been very difficult to deal with. They had no info or any thing in the car ie, floormats, owners manual, spare tire or jack has the mounts. So i removed the door panel to get the key pad code last week and it works.
:argue: After arguing with the service department about the $350+ bill and possibly another $150 to diagnose this problem. Steped next door to the parts deparment. Asked them if they knew of a common problem like this, they didn't. The service department didn't even try the remotes, asked the parts guys how to program, they both work. The "knowledgeable" (haha yeah right) service manager said it was likely the keyless remote module. But when he heard that the keypad and remotes did work he was speechless. I am a mechanic and fin it really hard to pay upwards of $200 for something i could have possibly done myself. If anybody has seen, heard or experienced this problem i would greatly appricate some advice.
P.S this is the first Marauder that they have ever had on their property:eek: kinda scary for me

Thanks Daniel

[Adam12]

there ****n retarted!

**You must have two original keys to perform this procedure. If you only have one key, you WILL have to take it to the dealer to get it programmed**
1. Insert and existing (working) key into the ignition cylinder.
2. Turn the ignition cylinder ON (RUN) and back to OFF. Ignition should stay on for at least ONE SECOND.
3. Remove the existing key and, within TEN seconds, insert a second working key and turn it to ON (RUN) and the back OFF. Ignition must be in ON for at least ONE second, but no more than TEN seconds. Remove the key.
4. Insert the new key before TWENTY seconds have elapsed and turn it to ON (RUN). Leave it the ON position for at least ONE second and turn back to OFF.
5. The security light will light up for THREE seconds to indicate that the new key has been successfully programmed.
6. To program additional keys, repeat steps 1 through 5



btw, i got it from here:
http://www.fordf150.net/howto/patskey.php

[imorb1994]

Only have 1 programed key

[Adam12]

you may be able to do it with the one key but you need the ford i.d.s. tool to unlock the security control module. but they should be able to programme it because the locks work and the car starts. so the tech they have is a retart

[fastblackmerc]

I get my keys off of eBay. Much cheaper. Never had a problem.

[imorb1994]

i ended up getting the 2 unprogramed keys for free:rolleyes:

[RCSignals]

Go to another dealer. You only need one more programmed key to be able to programme more yourself. It takes two.

[Power Surge]

With only one programmed key, they have to do what's called a "parameter reset". Basically, it's the same process used when you install a new PCM. You have to clear the stored ID from all the modules, then kill the vehicle power. When you hook the battery back up, the modules have no stored codes and at that time, you need to do the procedure to code your two new keys.

You'd be surprised how many dealers are clueless on this. At my old L-M dealer, I was the ONLY tech in the shop that could do anything PATS related.

As for time, it's a 15 mintue job. 10 minutes of that, is a security wait time the Ford scan tool makes you wait before giving you module access.

[RCSignals]

Interesting Sal, so they can't just programme one key, they have to do two from scratch.

[Power Surge]

Interesting Sal, so they can't just programme one key, they have to do two from scratch.

Yes, on most Ford vehicles, whatever module that stores the key codes (PATS, HEC, etc) requires two codes stored. I do recall a few oddball cars that only required one.

Of course, this is how it was done a few years back when I was a dealer tech. Things may have changed since, with the different tools Ford has.

[imorb1994]

With only one programmed key, they have to do what's called a "parameter reset". Basically, it's the same process used when you install a new PCM. You have to clear the stored ID from all the modules, then kill the vehicle power. When you hook the battery back up, the modules have no stored codes and at that time, you need to do the procedure to code your two new keys.

You'd be surprised how many dealers are clueless on this. At my old L-M dealer, I was the ONLY tech in the shop that could do anything PATS related.

As for time, it's a 15 mintue job. 10 minutes of that, is a security wait time the Ford scan tool makes you wait before giving you module access.

Thanks for the info. The tech they have doing it said he's only programed about 40 keys. which in my opinon isn't very many considering how many cares are on the road.

[JMan]

With only one programmed key, they have to do what's called a "parameter reset". Basically, it's the same process used when you install a new PCM. You have to clear the stored ID from all the modules, then kill the vehicle power. When you hook the battery back up, the modules have no stored codes and at that time, you need to do the procedure to code your two new keys.

You'd be surprised how many dealers are clueless on this. At my old L-M dealer, I was the ONLY tech in the shop that could do anything PATS related.

As for time, it's a 15 mintue job. 10 minutes of that, is a security wait time the Ford scan tool makes you wait before giving you module access.

Pretty close Sal. With the IDS/PDS, after the ten minute security access, you can clear the stored keys and cycle key to 'off'. The first two you put through when cycled 'on' are the masters. You also have to enable spare keys on this PATS system. That might be where their problem lies. Either way, don't walk away from that Ford dealer imorb, RUN AND DON'T EVER LOOK BACK!

J

[Power Surge]

Pretty close Sal. With the IDS/PDS, after the ten minute security access, you can clear the stored keys and cycle key to 'off'. The first two you put through when cycled 'on' are the masters. You also have to enable spare keys on this PATS system. That might be where their problem lies. Either way, don't walk away from that Ford dealer imorb, RUN AND DON'T EVER LOOK BACK!

J

Yeah, that's the same thing. My method was with the NGS, I haven't worked with the IDS/PDS at all.

[ckadiddle]

The black MM we just bought had only one key that came with it. The small dealer lot referred me to a small local locksmith that could make PATS keys. Cost me only fifty bucks. Locksmith was able to make a second key as long as he could lay hands on my one working good key. Might try calling some locksmiths near you.

[Wires]

I suppose it would be a good idea to always have three working keys - that way if/when one craps out, you can use the other two to program a replacement.

If one was really cautious, one would have two tucked away somewhere. (I have the valet key and one other as spares, in addition to the key I have and the key my wife has.)

I was lucky - my car came with only one key and the valet key. I took the key to the purchasing dealer and told them to cut it only - don't do any programming. I was going to program it myself, but the goobers programmed it anyway and tried to charge me. Fortunately, I had the written order so they canceled the charge.

I've even heard of folks who take their one good key and tape it to the back of the steering collumn cover - then they can use any plain, cut key. (Then they hope their insurance company never finds out)

[RCSignals]

Yes, on most Ford vehicles, whatever module that stores the key codes (PATS, HEC, etc) requires two codes stored. I do recall a few oddball cars that only required one.

Of course, this is how it was done a few years back when I was a dealer tech. Things may have changed since, with the different tools Ford has.

No you are correct, the manual says two keys are needed to programme more yourself. I was just thinking that if he had one key he'd only need one more programmed by the dealer, but I guess it makes sense that wouldn't work, they'd need to programme two 'fresh' keys.

[Aren Jay]

what does Imorb mean?

[JMan]

If you're talking about this

Either way, don't walk away from that Ford dealer imorb, RUN AND DON'T EVER LOOK BACK!

J

Here -

what does Imorb mean?

It is the poster's screen name, not some weird Yank term, eh?

J

[imorb1994]

what does Imorb mean?
what it stands for in my eyes is In Memory Of Robert Briggs 1994