Traction Control

[03Farmmarauder]

Ok dont know if u guys have picked up on this. 300A marauder owners with out the traction control switch, u can disable traction control buy pulling the relay out of the fuse box above the right wheel well. Will not send trouble code to computer and if u drive ur marauder in the snow u can put it back in during the winter months. Just look up the relay location in ur owners mannual or if u dont have it i will look it up and let u know. Let the burn outs begin. :burn::burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

i dont think 03 a's have tc at all :dunno:

[twin03]

I have a 300A and I don't have traction control at all........

[03Farmmarauder]

i dont think 03 a's have tc at all :dunno:

Yea they do as a matter of fact when i first got into the seat of a marauder, yes the passanger seat, not old enough to drive, i remember my dad trying to get the tires to turn over and was very disapointed. The dealer told dad to put it into 1st and still nothing, dad got the book out and pulled the relay on the car and the dealer about s**t a brick. That car never had the relay back in it till it sold they kept it out to sell the cars.

[03Farmmarauder]

Look in ur owners mannual

[03Farmmarauder]

03 300A models with full size spare had no switch to turn it off in 04 Ford made the decission to remove the locking fuel door and full size spare to save the money to put in the tc switch

[03Farmmarauder]

Pg 122 it was a forced option they all had it. It makes a huge difference when u pull the relay out.

[ImpalaSlayer]

03 b's have it but i do not think 03 a's have tc

[03Farmmarauder]

Relay 205 location on page 144

[03Farmmarauder]

300Bs have traction control but also have switch

[shodude]

please tell me you are not trying to "skool" marauder members on stuff they know.

search is your friend. 300A do not have tc 300B's do both are 2003 the user manual is the same.

[sociopath001]

i have a 300a and never have a problem spinning the tires

[03Farmmarauder]

ok we need to get a member besides myself to look at the fuse box and just see if they have a tracton control relay

[Aren Jay]

Someone needs to explain what decontented means.

[MM03MOK]

Someone needs to explain what decontented means.
"decontented" - contents taken away. 2003 300B's don't have remote gas door opener, front seat pockets and separate clock like the 2003 300A's. And then there are those "pre-decontented" 300B's that have those but also have traction control and a mini spare. Confused yet? ;)

[ImpalaSlayer]

you may have a "mutt" or a very late 300a in which some got tc and heated seats. as some b's have no tc. just a guess

[03Farmmarauder]

Ok now i might have a problem i checked my ford research books and called a friend who is out of detroit. he said that 300Bs had TC and most 300As did not. now he said most and i hate that. So im sorry i may have been wrong but my black 2003 300a marauder of a build date of 08/16/08 and i know that i pulled a tc relay out i really need some help on this one

[J D]

Ok now i might have a problem i checked my ford research books and called a friend who is out of detroit. he said that 300Bs had TC and most 300As did not. now he said most and i hate that. So im sorry i may have been wrong but my black 2003 300a marauder of a build date of 08/16/08 and i know that i pulled a tc relay out i really need some help on this one
'08 . . .

I'm gonna take a stab and say that that is 02, and yeah 8 /16 sounds like it is a mixed build date.

[RoyLPita]

I'm still waiting for his VINs to verify this. I know this, I have TC. I HATE IT. I want to get rid of it.

The one from August should not have TC unless it has the wrong module or it is a 2004.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Ok now i might have a problem i checked my ford research books and called a friend who is out of detroit. he said that 300Bs had TC and most 300As did not. now he said most and i hate that. So im sorry i may have been wrong but my black 2003 300a marauder of a build date of 08/16/08 and i know that i pulled a tc relay out i really need some help on this one

no hard feelings man. were all here to learn

[03Farmmarauder]

OK so i went out to the garage and pulled the car cover off of the car and got the relay out of the glove box and looked again. The relay came from what the book says TC relay. I do believe u guys about the TC i just know that before i took that relay out even with 4:10 gears it still wouldnt turn the tires over. With the relay out it would turn tires over all the way into third with power brake. So this is what i need is someone with a 300a just to see if they have the relay like i did or if it is empty. Maybe the older gentleman that had my car before i bought it had the TC installed. If anyone has a 300a that could check it would be wonderful. thanks and thanks for the corrections to that was one of prolly many things that i did not know

[CRUZTAKER]

please tell me you are not trying to "skool" marauder members on stuff they know.


Sho- is correct.

Although what you offer regarding pulling the fuse is correct (we knew that already), 300A cars like mine with no switch DO NOT HAVE TRACTION CONTROL.

This option wasn't hidden. If you have aswitch, you have it. You need only turn it off to disable. No switch...no havy.


.... now he said most and i hate that.

There was a transition period when some A's got B qualities. It is confusing, but we worked that out as well some time ago. ;)

[Aren Jay]

"decontented" - contents taken away. 2003 300B's don't have remote gas door opener, front seat pockets and separate clock like the 2003 300A's. And then there are those "pre-decontented" 300B's that have those but also have traction control and a mini spare. Confused yet? ;)


Yeah Pre-decontented. That is what I meant.

Oh and All Canadian 2003 Marauders, and 2004's have traction control

Canadian (meaning Canadian market) 2003 Marauder with traction control are 300A's and 300B's.

But they all have switches.

[UncleLar]

The traction control is worthless!
BTW,why would you want to brake torque the car and burn up a pair of $200 tires?Oops,sorry,I forgot,I was 18 once too,but that was a few centuries ago.

[03Farmmarauder]

I bought the car to drive and drive like i stole it. i dont drive it in the winter, and the car is very well taken car of and as far as the tires go yea they are not cheap but my front tires get chewwed off on the insides anyway

[SC Cheesehead]

I bought the car to drive and drive like i stole it. i dont drive it in the winter, and the car is very well taken car of and as far as the tires go yea they are not cheap but my front tires get chewwed off on the insides anyway

Check out threads for carfixer's alignment specs, this can be easily corrected.

SCCH

[MM03MOK]

Canadian (meaning Canadian market) 2003 Marauder with traction control are 300A's and 300B's.

But they all have switches.Almost right.....when they made US 2003 300As (without TC), the Canadian cars were not in production. Canadian cars were not made until the production changed to US 300B (with TC)....but, those Canadian cars were called 300A.

[Bluerauder]

Canadian cars were not made until the production changed to US 300B (with TC)....but, those Canadian cars were called 300A.
Yep !! And all 2004 MMs have the 300B features but they were all 300As too. It's perfectly clear .... and easy to understand. :D

[CRUZTAKER]

BTW,why would you want to brake torque the car and burn up a pair of $200 tires?......

Correct. We older guys prefer a Line Loc to do our smokie deeds.:cool:

[03Farmmarauder]

All marauders have TC In all 300A models it is listed as a forced Traction Control all speed axle. The only way to disable is to pull the relay. All 300B marauders is labled as functional Traction Control all speed axle. Mercury Customer Assistance Center 1-800-392-3673 or dealer manuals have it listed. Note chips can not take traction control off of the vehical program. So just because u dont have a switch does not mean u do not have TC;)

[FordNut]

All marauders have TC In all 300A models it is listed as a forced Traction Control all speed axle. The only way to disable is to pull the relay. All 300B marauders is labled as functional Traction Control all speed axle. Mercury Customer Assistance Center 1-800-392-3673 or dealer manuals have it listed. Note chips can not take traction control off of the vehical program. So just because u dont have a switch does not mean u do not have TC;)

Give it up... You're wrong.

We've been with these cars since they first came out. The '03 300A does NOT have traction control.

And spell it out, this isn't a phone so you don't need to send text messages.

[03Farmmarauder]

Call ford and prove me wrong. I have the service manual in front of me.

[Zack]

Damn Brian :eek:


.....Fordnut is right!

[03Farmmarauder]

If you peole would listen and open the hood one a 300A and look you will see the TC relay

[Zack]

If you peole would listen and open the hood one a 300A and look you will see the TC relay

Ok then, take a picture of it, pull it out and tell us if your car acts differently.

[gja]

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Get a life. My 03 A has no form of traction control.

[03Farmmarauder]

First Picture shows All relays in place
Second shows TC relay pulled

[03Farmmarauder]

People need to call Ford if they do not trust what i say but you guys have been mislead so far. I have a very rare movie that the Speed channel produced for ford dealers for 2003. One reason they did not like the car TC.

[arejayesss]

First Picture shows All relays in place
Second shows TC relay pulled
If your next posted question is "For some reason, my radio does not come on at all now, anyone have any idea why?" Well then, I think I know what happened;)

[Zack]

If your next posted question is "For some reason, my radio does not come on at all now, anyone have any idea why?" Well then, I think I know what happened;)

:rofl:
:rofl:
:popcorn:

[Egon Spengler]

If 300A's had traction control, I am sure that I would have had to have mine fixed by now... I love the car, but keep in mind, we are driving FORD products!!!

[03Farmmarauder]

I guess if you guys love the car then it wouldnt be to much to open the hood, open the relay box and see if you have a TC relay. I will even give you the page number (142) relay number (205)

[freakstatus]

The only 300A's with traction control as far as I know are the Canadian ones....do you have Kilometers on your speedometer?

[imorb1994]

Isn't there a traction control module somewhere????
Take a picture of that, that is better proof than a relay box.
somebody need to realize that more than just a couple of these type of cars were made and that possibly you have a harness from a vehicle that was supposed to have traction cotrol but thats it just the harness. I WANNA SEE THE MODULE

[03Farmmarauder]

The only 300A's with traction control as far as I know are the Canadian ones....do you have Kilometers on your speedometer?
No. Im telling you guys it was a forced TC. They never would have changed the system in the middle of production. TC is tied into the ABS. All someone would have to do is open there relay box on a 300A and see if u have a relay. If they as you guys say have no TC there would be no need for a TC relay.

[RF Overlord]

, open the relay box and see if you have a TC relay. I will even give you the page number (142) relay number (205)Just because there's a relay plugged into the socket, doesn't mean you have Traction Control. My August '02-built 300A will burn the tires off the rims with the Trilogy so I KNOW I don't have T/C. I will check for the relay when I get home tonight.

[FordNut]

There's a thread on here somewhere from a member who added t/c to their 300A. I believe he had to add a t/c control module which is not installed on 300A but is installed on 300B and all '04 and all Canadian Marauders. The ABS control is also different. Maybe even the PCM. I'll try and find the upgrade instructions thread.

I have a 300A and a 300B. I know the difference between t/c and non-t/c.

Next you'll be telling us about how the cylinder head temperature sensor is used to go into "limp-home" mode...

[03Farmmarauder]

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<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TH class=title>EMISSIONS CERTIFICATION Features</TH><TH width=45><SMALL>BASE</SMALL></TH></TR><TR><TD class=title>LEV certified (4.6L engine/4-speed auto trans)</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TH class=title>EPA FUEL ECONOMY RATINGS Features</TH><TH width=45><SMALL>BASE</SMALL></TH></TR><TR><TD class=title>City 17/hwy 23 (4.6L engine/4-speed auto trans)</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TH class=title>EXTERIOR Features</TH><TH width=45><SMALL>BASE</SMALL></TH></TR><TR><TD class=title>Aerodynamic complex reflector headlamps w/crystalline lens, parking lamps, integrated cornering lamps</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Cibie branded 80mm fog lamps</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Color-keyed body-side moldings</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Color-keyed fold away pwr heated mirrors</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Concealed 2-speed interval windshield wipers w/washers</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Front/rear concealed bumpers w/color-keyed full-wrap covers, integrated rubstrip</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Gas strut hood assists</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Luxury sound insulation pkg</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Maximum dark appearance taillamps</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Rear bumper fascia w/Marauder nomenclature</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Solar-tinted glass</TD><TD>•</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[03Farmmarauder]

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TH class=title>INTERIOR Features</TH><TH width=45><SMALL>BASE</SMALL></TH></TR><TR><TD class=title>12-oz color-keyed carpeting</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>AUTOMETER volt/oil pressure gauges w/satin aluminum gauges faces I/P center stack module</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Autolamp on/off delay system</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Cigarette lighter</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Color-keyed molded cloth-covered headliner w/collapsible passenger assist handles</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Courtesy light switches for all doors w/theater lighting feature</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Cruise control</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Deep-well trunk w/full carpeting & low lift over design</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Door trim panels-inc: full-length armrests, upper vinyl, lower carpeting, hi-tech applique, warning reflectors</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Dual illuminated visor vanity mirrors</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Electronic AM/FM stereo radio w/compact disc, cassette players-inc: 100-watt amplifier, subwoofer & 4-speakers</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Electronic automatic temp control air conditioning w/4-speed blower motor</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Front carpeted floor mats w/Marauder embroidery</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Front seat cushion & seat back map pockets</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Front/rear door scuff plates</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Illuminated entry system</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Illuminated pwr window/lock controls</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Instrumentation-inc: 140 MPH speedometer, 7000 rpm tachometer, fuel/temp gauges, trip odometer w/satin aluminum gauges faces</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Leather-wrapped tilt steering wheel w/airbag, climate/audio controls</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Lights-inc: dual instrument panel floor, glove box, dual beam dome, luggage compartment, rear reading lamps</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Lockable bin-type illuminated glove box w/dampened door</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Mercury (http://www.lotpro.com/cars/2003/mercury/marauder/features#) Gods Head logo embossed on the front seat backs</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Multi-function lever-inc: turn signal controls, windshield wiper/washer, high beam switch & flash-to-pass feature</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Nudo leather seating-inc: 8-way pwr driver/passenger seats w/pwr recliners & pwr lumbar adjusters</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Overhead console-inc: compass, Homelink transmitter, dual sunglass storage & toll ticket clip</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Positive shut-off air conditioning registers w/side window demisters</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Pwr adjustable brake/accelerator pedals</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Pwr door locks w/smart lock anti-lockout system</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Pwr remote decklid release</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Pwr windows w/driver express-down feature</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Rear floor-mounted heat ducts</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Rear seat fold down center armrests w/cup holders</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Rear window antenna</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Rear window defroster</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Reminder chimes-inc: key-in-ignition, safety belt, headlamps-on</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Remote keyless entry system-inc: key fob & driver door keypad</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>SecuriLock anti-theft system</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Spare tire cover</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Stand-alone digital clock</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Trunk cargo net</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Vinyl covered center console w/floor shifter, large stowage bin, dual cup holders & consealed auxiliary pwr outlet</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Warning lights-inc: low fuel, check engine, emissions system, airbag readiness, safety belts, parking brake, (ABS)</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TH class=title>MECHANICAL Features</TH><TH width=45><SMALL>BASE</SMALL></TH></TR><TR><TD class=title>130-amp alternator</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>18" 5-spoke polished aluminum wheels w/Mercury Gods Head logo on center caps</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>19.0 gallon fuel tank w/tethered gas cap</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>3.55 rear axle ratio w/limited slip</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>4-speed automatic transmission w/OD-inc: OD lockout</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>4.6L (281) DOHC SEFI 32-valve V8 all-aluminum engine</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>72 amp/hr maintenance-free battery w/battery saver feature</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Anti-lock braking system (ABS)</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Body-on-frame construction</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Dual bore 57mm thottle body</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Electronic distributorless coil-per-plug ignition</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Electronic engine controls (EEC-V/OBD II)</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Fail-safe cooling w/variable-speed electric fan</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Front P235/50R18/rear P245/55R18 BF Goodwrench all-season SBR BSW tires</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Front/rear stabilizer bars</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Independent short & long arm coil spring front suspension</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Load leveling HD performace rear air suspension</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Mini temporary spare tire</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Precisiontrac Watts-linkage rear suspension</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Pwr 4-wheel disc brakes w/dual-piston front calipers</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Rear wheel drive</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Scissors-type jack</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Single key lock system</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Speed-sensitive variable assist pwr steering</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Stainless steel exhaust system w/polished 3 1/2" tips</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Tokico nitrogen gas-pressurized mono-tube design shock absorbers</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Traction control</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TH class=title>SAFETY Features</TH><TH width=45><SMALL>BASE</SMALL></TH></TR><TR><TD class=title>Deluxe color-keyed front/rear outboard lap/shoulder belts</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Driver/front passenger side-impact airbags</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Dual stage driver & front passenger airbag supplemental restraint system (SRS)</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Dual-note horn</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Front outboard adjustable shoulder belt D-rings</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Knee bolsters</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Personal safety system-inc: airbags, front safety belt usage detection, front seat position sensors, safety belt pretensioners/energy management retractor w/crash severity sensing system</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR class=alternate><TD class=title>Rear center lap belts</TD><TD>•</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title>Rear door child safety latches</TD><TD>•</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[RF Overlord]

Your point?

[03Farmmarauder]

Traction control is listed I will make it red

[MM03MOK]

But you've listed a 2003 300B - note the mini temporary spare tire and no mention of the remote gas door release. Once the 300Bs came out, the list was updated. Front seat pockets aren't mentioned either.

[RF Overlord]

Traction control is listed I will make it redThere are a couple of things wrong here...

First, you didn't edit out the unnecessary parts of your post and it took 2 separate posts to get it all in. Next time, use better netiquette.

Second, that list describes a 2003 300B, ALL of which have traction control.

Third, you copied that list from a generic car site called www.lotpro.com. Obviously they are recognised experts on the Marauder and we are not. :rolleyes:

[nomad]

03Farmmarauder go here;http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2633&highlight=adding+traction+cont rol post 26

[ledzilla]

There's a thread on here somewhere from a member who added t/c to their 300A. I believe he had to add a t/c control module which is not installed on 300A but is installed on 300B and all '04 and all Canadian Marauders. The ABS control is also different. Maybe even the PCM. I'll try and find the upgrade instructions thread.

I'd be very interested in seeing this. I was just thinking about this over the weekend and was going to post about it.

[Blk Mamba]

I don't want to get into this "discussion" but I have a '03 300A # 2162. and it has the same relay in the proper place, #205, I don't try to waste my tires, but in the snow I wish it had TC, My friend has a Mustang with it , and claims it's great in the snow.

[03Farmmarauder]

I don't want to get into this "discussion" but I have a '03 300A # 2162. and it has the same relay in the proper place, #205, I don't try to waste my tires, but in the snow I wish it had TC, My friend has a Mustang with it , and claims it's great in the snow.

If you did try to do a burn out with the relay in, then remove the relay you would see a big difference

[Blk Mamba]

I can't keep the ass under it in the snow now!

[Blk Mamba]

According to all published details, it works with ABS, and limits throttle response, to keep wheel spin to a minimum.

[TiTo35]

Soo...whats this ALL mean:rolleyes:

[SC Cheesehead]

03Farmmarauder go here;http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2633&highlight=adding+traction+cont rol post 26
Nomad,

Thanks for the seach link. I checked it out of curiousity, and it looks like the subject has been researched pretty thoroughly by guys that WANTED to add T/C:


Lots of parts changed when the TC was added. Incomplete list includes:
* ABS Hydraulic Control Unit different than ABS/TC Hydraulic Control unit
* ABS electronic controller (mounted on HCU) different than ABS/TC
* Brake tube bundle had some changes (not sure what is different)
* Wiring in IP for switch. Despite claims above that the wiring is there on the early units, I do not believe that to be the case.
* MAYBE the wiring to the PCM for the TC to tell the PCM when to truncate torque. I'm not sure if the network connection for that communication was there at the beginning, or only added when the TC was introduced. The PCM software hooks to handle the torque truncation was there from the beginning, but I'm just not sure if the wiring for the commications protocol was there or not.
* Spare tire detect for the TC module assumes that you have the mini-spare, so if it detects a spare on the rear, mini-spare tractive capabilities are assumed, not the "Front Size Spare" which would have greater tractive capability.

TC wasn't available on the first units because the engineering for the TC package and wasn't done yet. TC was brought in mid-year when everything was done and proven out.

BTW, I've got a 300B, and find the T/C to be a PITA. First thing I do after starting the engine is punch the T/C button to "off."

SCCH

[cyclopsram]

I would expect that there is confusion on the ABS vs TC issue. Decontenting was FordWide and not just for Marauder. Job 2 or B models traded the full size spare for TC. All the other stuff was phased out throughout all the FoMoCo cars over time as supplies ran out. The seat pockets, the locking gas door, and about 20 other thingies went away. Decontenting took away the Plastic engine cover, the vacuum operated parking brake release, the under hood insulation blanket, the spare tire cover on the police interceptors .. For 2008 the B model Grand Marquis switched from 16 inch to 17 inch wheels so that all panthers could catch up with the PIs which went to 17 inch in 2006 and the 2008 Town Cars which started at STAP just 6 weeks ago. And specifically for the 2004 Marauders..no black paint on your cam covers and some tranny mods. And didja know that the smoker's package consisting of the little plastic ashtray and the ligher element is now an option on some Panthers?? Back in 2002/3 on this very forum there was a fine list of all the decontenting and the items involved and some folks gave their VINs so a spread sheet could be made of the phase in of the decontenting. The A to B transition was done somewhere around 639000 as I remember it, give or take a few thousand, as all Marauders and Grand Marquis in 2003 were M75s and it wasn't til the 04 model year that the Marauder got its own vin M79 allowing the insurance cos to tell what was a HyPo. Of course all the Canadian 03s were 300Bs with TC, Confusin' ain't it! Of course, I spend a while fumbling in my glove box on my 2000 GM LX to shut the TC of in order to get up my icy driveway without the stupid braking and engine controls. What a place for the switch when a driver needs it in a hurry. Ever try to spin your way out of mud when the puter is putting the brakes on and not allowing you throttle?? Thank you Elena Ford for hiding the switch so the ladies wouldn't have to wonder if it was for the makeup mirror.

[ROB502]

Does pulling the relay defeat the ABS also????:burnout:

[03Farmmarauder]

No i tried that also they are different systems ABS is powered with a different relay:D