Maruader on the run...

[Hacklemerc]

We have a regional emergency radio broadcast that we can notify neighboring cities and the IL state police about important happenings. Last night during my shift I heard a neighboring city call out a pursuit of a black mecury marauder. The errant MM was not caught but a plate number was gotten before he got away. So, I just wanted to throw this out there... if you are on this board and read this... its just a matter of time. I have seen the car before and even spoke with the driver. I offered him professional courtesy about the tinted windows as a favor to a fellow MM owner. But when you run you put innocent lives at risk, next time no quarter will be given. Nuff said.

Sorry for the surly message but it makes me mad. As soon as it came out I had fellow officers calling me to see if I knew the driver and where he resides. I even had a friend think that it was me running before the plate was gotten.:censor::censor::censor ::censor::censor:

Running over some stupid traffic offense. Stupid.

[cyclopsram]

Marauder for sale, cheap.... Not a good event to hear about. Makes all of us Panther folk look bad. Suffer the consequences and no whining when the gavel comes down.

[MM2004]

That's not good. :(

Funny, a few years ago, my salesman who sold me the MM contacted me wanting to know if I can find any info. about a black MM that was involved in a crime here in Louisville.

He was hoping I could provide VIN numbers to all MM's sold in the state of KY. :eek:

Him, being a retired LEO and knowing about me and MM.net, was assisting homocide on a case where said black MM was witnessed leaving the scene of the crime.

Not much help was given, and never heard if the case was solved. :confused:

You can run.

Evenntually, you will get caught.

Mike.

[1stMerc]

Hey Hack, sorry to hear this and even sorrier he got away.
Hope it's not anyone i know. Running from the law is never good for the general safety and welfare of the populus. Now some idiot just made it uncomfortable for other owners of black MM's.

Keep us posted

[shawn.criswell]

Let's not jump straight to conclusions and convict someone who is innocent. Was the MM stolen and used in a crime, maybe even possibly loaned to a friend( I wouldn't do it) who has a warrant or some other item he doesn't want to get busted for? I mean, the owner may not have been behind the wheel that night, and suffering the loss of his beloved MM right now. Who knows?

[1stMerc]

Let's not jump straight to conclusions and convict someone who is innocent. Was the MM stolen and used in a crime, maybe even possibly loaned to a friend( I wouldn't do it) who has a warrant or some other item he doesn't want to get busted for? I mean, the owner may not have been behind the wheel that night, and suffering the loss of his beloved MM right now. Who knows?

That's the problem any and all black MM's may be subject to being stopped for suspicion, because they don't know. Fortunately, with my cosmectics mine cannot be mistaken for anyone elses.

Been there!!

[shawn.criswell]

That's the problem any and all black MM's may be subject to being stopped for suspicion, because they don't know. Fortunately, with my cosmectics mine cannot be mistaken for anyone elses.

Been there!!
That's quite understandable, and hopefully an LEO with some common sense won't jump to the same conclusion as others have. Hack said they have the plate number, I'd like to know if it was reported back as belonging to a black MM and weren't stolen. Sorry to hear that you were stopped by suspicion because of someone else's stupidity.

[Taemian]

Heya Hack,

This is exactly the reason I bought an SB and not a Black. Having no tint really helps keep the general looks and suspicion away too. I just think what I would've noticed back in the day, and stay far away from that.

Sorry to hear that your "friend" thought it was you that was running. Might want to give him a thwack upside the head!

[DOOM]

Wasnt me :D wonder if it was super charged :burnout:

[sailsmen]

I hope no one was hurt and any criminals apprehended.

I place some of the responsibility on the LEO community regarding the publics ignorance as respects SOP during a traffic stop.

In my 34 years of driving SOP has changed dramatically. Being pulled over today and following the SOP as a citizen that was in place when I was licensed would in many cases result in my arrest and possibly being shot.

Why are there no PSAs or instructions given as part of the test on this? It would protect the LEO and the citizen.

With the increasing number of plain wrappers making traffic stops what is the public to do. I will not pull over for a plain wrapper period. I will call 911 and drive to the nearest police station.

If LEO's had a policy about plain wrappers performing traffic stops then I would pull over.

[Black_Noise]

so he/she was running because of traffice ticket?

i know how that goes... you just get scared and flight... i woulnt do it anymore, you can only get away so many times

[Black_Noise]

With the increasing number of plain wrappers making traffic stops what is the public to do. I will not pull over for a plain wrapper period. I will call 911 and drive to the nearest police station.



thats bull.... if anyone ever did that the cop just gets pissed because you did not stop, i have seen personally that they get pissed you dont stop right now, i went about a 1/4 mile so i could pull over at a turn off so they cop would be away from traffic, as soon as i got lit up, i slowed to 45 (from 55) and had the blinker on. (it was over excessive lights i got stopped) and that cop was pissed, he thought i was leading him into a trap and hiding stuff in the blazer, and thought i was drinking. (i just got off work and was going home)

cops need to ease up when they see its just people trying to cut THEM a break

[CRUZTAKER]

With the increasing number of plain wrappers making traffic stops what is the public to do. I will not pull over for a plain wrapper period. I will call 911 and drive to the nearest police station.




This is actually what the state of OHIO recommends if you are questioning the vehicle attempting to pull you over.

We have had an increasing number of false LEO pull overs and women being ***** and assulted.

The OHIO STATE PATROL does not use plain wrappers for this reason.

Local law enforcement around here will use NEAR plain wrappers, but when they hit their lights, and they are blue, odds are good he is real.

[Hacklemerc]

The plates did come back to the MM. Both the registered owners have exsensive histories, and one is wanted on a warrant. The way I heard it was that the officer lit him up and attempted to stop him and he just bolted.
WE (I) appreciate it when people stop in an area that affords both parties safety. Also when a vehicle doesn't stop immediadiately our senses go on high alert because we are wondering why you are not stopping.

[freakstatus]

Heya Hack,

This is exactly the reason I bought an SB and not a Black. Having no tint really helps keep the general looks and suspicion away too. I just think what I would've noticed back in the day, and stay far away from that.

Sorry to hear that your "friend" thought it was you that was running. Might want to give him a thwack upside the head!

Hey Ian....Are you bashing blacks? You better not be bashing blacks my friend. I may come over one night with a can a flat black Tremclad and have my way with your shiny SB.

[Svashtar]

There is/was a guy here in town with a black CVPI, probably a 2001 or so. He's put shiny 17" rims on it, and it has the "police interceptor" badge on the left rear. Tinted windows. He's trying really hard to make it look like a MM, but the paint is pretty bad.

Article in the paper about a car of similar description stopping women for supposed traffic violations, and then feeling them up and scaring the hell out of them. He has some kind of red light he puts in his window to stop them,

I spotted this guy a couple of streets over and he was all dressed up in BDU's, has a scanner on the seat and the whole bit. A cop wanna be, I guess they're out there. Saw me and took off fast, but I got part of his plate anyway. I called a friend at the PD (my son is a LEO in this area) and they are looking for the guy.

But the funny thing was, when I called in and told them about it, they started asking me a bunch of questions about my car, and where I had been etc. I understood, but had to laugh. I told the cop to feel free to bring the woman by who had been bothered if she wanted to take a look at me. The guy in the complaint was 5'8" or 5'9", maybe 160 lbs. 20 yo, skinny with crew cut hair and bad skin. I'm 6'8" and 310 and pushing 52 yo, and need a haircut. Guess they had to check. While this was going on also noticed a renewed interest in my black '03 MM, but think they know me now.

[Taemian]

Hey Ian....Are you bashing blacks? You better not be bashing blacks my friend. I may come over one night with a can a flat black Tremclad and have my way with your shiny SB.

Naw, like I've said many a time, your car looks cool, mine looks refined. Black = Rambo, SB = James Bond. They both get the job done, just in different ways.;) And remember how my SB got us through the border crossing first? You or Tim would've been hauled in RIGHT NOW with your black & tinted MMs. That, and I know the magic password.:D

In a previous post, someone kept mentioning SOP (standard operating procedure). All the agencies up here have strict guidelines on about u/c and p/c takedowns. The RCMP will not do any casual stops on someone if in p/c...we had to be in full uniform. All "L" cars have hidden strobes, but you are required to wear full uniform when doing Traffic, or GD (general duty).
You can't stop someone unless you witness a MAJOR violation, and marked backup is called ASAP.

Strangely, only Vancouver PD does it's own thing and uses p/c officers with just a badge hanging around their neck.


You all want SOP? Here:

I've told my wife, and she understands completely, that if she is pulled over by anything other than a fully marked squad with a fully uniformed officer, she is to stop ASAP, roll down her window a crack (with the doors locked) and tell the officer she is calling 911 to confirm the member's identity. Any real officer will NEVER have a problem with this. I've given her the extra step of asking the p/c member to call for a uniformed officer in a marked squad to attend the scene. ANY forcible attempts to remove her from the car by the p/c member should be viewed as an assault, and she'd drive off to a fire station/police station/gas station/public place immediately. Unless my wife had just mowed down a bus stop full of school children and nuns, there is no traffic citation requiring a member to go hands on without waiting for proper backup.

Hope this helps.

[duhtroll]

There are places one can buy blue lights and install them on your car, so blue lights don't mean anything.

I just purchased a CVPI for winter use. It had the lights removed but I could have purchased a set and installed them, along with all sorts of other used police gear. There are places to purchase online that don't check whether you are LE or not.


This is actually what the state of OHIO recommends if you are questioning the vehicle attempting to pull you over.

We have had an increasing number of false LEO pull overs and women being ***** and assulted.

The OHIO STATE PATROL does not use plain wrappers for this reason.

Local law enforcement around here will use NEAR plain wrappers, but when they hit their lights, and they are blue, odds are good he is real.

[knine]

I caught a kid (16 y.o.) doing "stops" in his pick-up, had a gun in the car. I got to know the kid years later, asked what happened in his case, he said "Nothing, it got "taken care of" :shake:

[TiTo35]

Enlightening...

[Hacklemerc]

There is a kid in my city that drives an old black and white CVPI. He still has the push bar on the front and spot lights. He even has law enforcement plates on the car. The car looks just like a police car. Its really annoying.

THis question of for the fellow LEO's out there. Have you guys noticed the amount of dirtbags that drive and own retired police cars?? I don't know whether they think if they drive a car that looks like one of us we won't pay any attention to them? We snatched a fair amount of dope, scales, and a gun off a guy last night driving an old Caprice squad car.

[TiTo35]

There is a kid in my city that drives an old black and white CVPI. He still has the push bar on the front and spot lights. He even has law enforcement plates on the car. The car looks just like a police car. Its really annoying.

THis question of for the fellow LEO's out there. Have you guys noticed the amount of dirtbags that drive and own retired police cars?? I don't know whether they think if they drive a car that looks like one of us we won't pay any attention to them? We snatched a fair amount of dope, scales, and a gun off a guy last night driving an old Caprice squad car.

I am far from the POLICE and I dont know where you are from but in the DC area...CV and GM are the cars that most the youngins buy. I wonder why they "hate" the police but want to drive what the police drive. I know for a fact that ppl tend to lure them in wit the...CVs have a police package engine...Anyone know what a police package engine looks like???

[knine]

Anyone know what a police package engine looks like???
Yes, dirty.

[Taemian]

There is a kid in my city that drives an old black and white CVPI. He still has the push bar on the front and spot lights. He even has law enforcement plates on the car. The car looks just like a police car. Its really annoying.

THis question of for the fellow LEO's out there. Have you guys noticed the amount of dirtbags that drive and own retired police cars?? I don't know whether they think if they drive a car that looks like one of us we won't pay any attention to them? We snatched a fair amount of dope, scales, and a gun off a guy last night driving an old Caprice squad car.

When we had the two tone paint, the doors were required to be painted to match the rest of the car before being sold. Most equipment is stripped, but I do see the strobe bulbs left in the signal lights....no flasher unit, but not too tough to reinstall if you really wanted to.

Dirtbags drive the ex-squads because they want to have a feeling of control or power, without having to actually do anything to get it. It's an instant gratification thing for the most part, plus they then drive like idiots to give real members a bad rep. Seen it many times...:shake:

[Master]

Police package in a Caprice meant 170 rwhp. We got a friendly member to get permission from his staff seargent to run the squad car at a charity dyno event. It performed as expected: Poorly. The boys in the CVs said they ran like scalded cats when new, but after about 60k on the clock they seemed to get pretty sluggish. None of that matters in Canada, though. We have a policy against high speed chases. Heard it has something to do with radios being faster than cars. Its a known fact though that radio waves travel much more slowly south of the border, so they have to have high speed car chases to make up for it. :)
BTW: I still wish we had the old Blue and White RCMP cars. They were like red serge - a National Icon. Now they all just look like state trooper cars. Doesn't give you the warm-and-cozy feeling when pulled over like it used to in the seventies and eighties. Bring Back The Blue and Whites!

[magindat]

I am far from the POLICE and I dont know where you are from but in the DC area...CV and GM are the cars that most the youngins buy. I wonder why they "hate" the police but want to drive what the police drive. I know for a fact that ppl tend to lure them in wit the...CVs have a police package engine...Anyone know what a police package engine looks like???

They get a sense of superiority when driving what formerly chased them. At least that's the attitude around here.

[dreydin]

Naw, like I've said many a time, your car looks cool, mine looks refined. Black = Rambo, SB = James Bond.
worst analogy ever

[MACFORD88]

Dirtbags ?i Know A Guy Who Has Like 150 P71.i Dont Think His A Dirtbag.they Are Part Of His Cab Company Fleet.great Guy Also.

[duhtroll]

I suppose I am one of those dirtbags then. I just bought a 2000 CVPI in November that was a used detective model (had carpet rather than rubber). Still has the spot light on it because for most places it's more difficult to remove and patch than to just leave it installed.

I bought it because I like my MM and didn't want to drive it in the snow anymore. I also bought it because it's friggin' indestructible. My 3 year old daughter is as safe in that car as in any other vehicle. It has lots of room and given good maintenance will run 250K. I know most departments have to follow maintenance schedules so the car is solid, and I will keep it that way.

On one of our bad weather nights I put it in the ditch through more than 3 feet of snow and had to have it winched out back through even more snow over a total span of 40 yards or so. When finished I had to do nothing but leave it in the garage to melt the ice off the rotors and re balance the tires. No damage.

Of course, none of those reasons matter. I really bought it just so I can intimidate people pretending to be a LEO. :rolleyes:

The same argument could be made for anyone driving a Marauder, ya know . . .

Actually, I find the "crown vic" effect really annoying. No one will pass me and if they do they slow down and sit in front of me in the other lane, blocking the normal flow of traffic.

That isn't going to make me sell the car, or repaint it. I like it. If that means some people slow down on the highway who were speeding to begin with, not my problem.

[eric jones]

Hey Hack! It wasn't me either http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif I think my neighbor is good friends with the guy who owns the Marauder you described. You can't mistake those center exiting tailpipes. I will let you know any info!

[Hacklemerc]

Okay I was waiting for those replies that said "hey I'm no dirtbag, and I own a CVPI!" I meant no offense to anyone. THere are people that own the car for the enjoyment, and there are people who have it for a complete other reason. I meant no offense to the fine members here.

[Taemian]

Okay I was waiting for those replies that said "hey I'm no dirtbag, and I own a CVPI!" I meant no offense to anyone. THere are people that own the car for the enjoyment, and there are people who have it for a complete other reason. I meant no offense to the fine members here.

I also own both an MM and a 2001 CVPI, my old take home car. Just used it to go up north in snow and ice and it worked out great. Hack and I mentioned the disproportional amount of dirtbags who drive CVs, we didn't say EVERY dirtbag drives a CVPI, or that all CV drivers are dirtbags. Seems like someone's reading into things a little too much. Personally, I usually hated driving it once I wasn't a peace officer anymore...still made you feel like you were on the job, but couldn't do squat if crap hit the fan. I'm so much happier blending in with my SB MM. Considering nobody else I work with has a car work under 50k, I'm the poor cousin around here. Fine by me.

[Taemian]

worst analogy ever

Be glad I was feeling generous, and that I didn't tell you who matches up with blue MMs...;)

[freakstatus]

Be glad I was feeling generous, and that I didn't tell you who matches up with blue MMs...;)

Rambo can kick Bonds as though...:)