overheating problem

[dankwun]

alright, so a couple weeks ago my mm started overheating so i changed the water pump, thermostat and bled the cooling system and then about a week later it started overheating again. The water pump seems to be fine because i filled the system back up and bled it again and when it starts over heating the hoses have plenty of pressure in them. has anyone else had this problem? the fan works fine also. i dont know what else it could be the temp guage never got to the red so i dont think that i would have blown a head gasket or anything. if you have any ideas please let me know. thanks...

[Dennis Reinhart]

alright, so a couple weeks ago my mm started overheating so i changed the water pump, thermostat and bled the cooling system and then about a week later it started overheating again. The water pump seems to be fine because i filled the system back up and bled it again and when it starts over heating the hoses have plenty of pressure in them. has anyone else had this problem? the fan works fine also. i dont know what else it could be the temp guage never got to the red so i dont think that i would have blown a head gasket or anything. if you have any ideas please let me know. thanks...

Is this a 03 A

[dankwun]

its an 03 not sure if its an A..

[UncleLar]

Have you got map pockets on your front seats,the clock is in the dash and not in the radio and no traction control switch? If yes to all of the above you most likely have a 300A.

[dankwun]

no seat pockets, no dash clock, i have a traction control switch. but the title is rebuilt so i dont know if they changed the engine or not. There is a A writin on the block though.

[MM2004]

no seat pockets, no dash clock, i have a traction control switch. but the title is rebuilt so i dont know if they changed the engine or not. There is a A writin on the block though.

You got a 300B.

Mike.

[KillJoy]

Burp, and Re-Burp.

:up:

KillJoy

PS - Do a Search ;)

[jgc61sr2002]

Burp, and Re-Burp.

:up:

KillJoy

PS - Do a Search ;)




What he said. ^^^^^^

[Jimmy2balls]

Try checking the thermostat. Or maybe u have an air lock when u changed everything. I changed my thermostat and got an air lock thats what i would check.

[Bradley G]

Welcome first poster! Good advice!
Try checking the thermostat. Or maybe u have an air lock when u changed everything. I changed my thermostat and got an air lock thats what i would check.

[BAD MERC]

Has anybody thought about the fan?

[dankwun]

aight so i burped the system 4 times and on the 5th time coolant srayed out all over my armed and burned the **** out of me.. i finished workin on the car went to the hospital.. then when i got home test drove the car and it seems like the problem is fixed...lol. hopefully it stays fixed. thanks for the help guys. i might have a huge blister on my arm but at least my car aint overheatin no more!

[KillJoy]

aight so i burped the system 4 times and on the 5th time coolant srayed out all over my armed and burned the **** out of me.. i finished workin on the car went to the hospital.. then when i got home test drove the car and it seems like the problem is fixed...lol. hopefully it stays fixed. thanks for the help guys. i might have a huge blister on my arm but at least my car aint overheatin no more!


How were you burping the system?

There ARE instruction on the site as to the proper procedure to prevent harm to yourself.

Did you search for this? Or just wing it?

:dunno:

KillJoy

[dankwun]

i read it like a week ago, but must have forgot something important. i tried to find what i read the other day but i couldnt so i just did what i remembered reading.i guess i should have let the car cool after each time or somethin cause i just did it 5 times in a row..

[chader]

[quote=Dennis Reinhart;593283]Is this a 03 A
what differance does it makes?

[dathinbluline]

Ok I have an 03 A, and mine is overheating. I've done everything that the first poster said, and its still overheating...what is the problem??? Help please!

[fastblackmerc]

Look at the radiator and A/C condensor.

Are they both filled with crap?

Hose off from the back side.

[babbage]

To remove all of the air from the cooling system (BURP) do it this way.

Top off with coolant. Run car for 40 seconds. Shut Off. Top off with coolant.

Repeat the above procedure until it will not take anymore coolant. No need to burn your arm. This is the best, fastest safest way to remove all air pockets from the cooling system. Way too many threads just say BURP with no detail.

[musclemerc]

I got one even better. Read this thread and save it. I just did mine and it was problem free. http://reischeperformance.com/refill

[cougar9150]

I got one even better. Read this thread and save it. I just did mine and it was problem free. http://reischeperformance.com/refill

Same procedure I followed. Worked flawless 1st time.

[musclemerc]

I agree, I used a short piece of 5/8" hose and the funnel fit in perfect. No tape!

[cougar9150]

I agree, I used a short piece of 5/8" hose and the funnel fit in perfect. No tape!

No tape here either. Got a funnel with a slightly larger OD than the crossover tube fill nipple ID. Threaded it in real slowly until it caught and cut threads into the plastic funnel neck. Now I can just spin it in till it stops and then give the funnel a extra 1/4 turn to prevent any seeping.

This method worked much better than when I flushed the coolant on my first MM. First MM I tried 20 different ways and ended up having to bring it to a shop to get get the rest of the air out for me.

Followed the procedure on the Reische site on this MM when I put the motor back in the car, it was 1 time and done. Never over heated or needed burping again. We should cut and paste his instructions then make it a sticky.

[musclemerc]

PM the Mods. maybe they will

[JimmyXR7]

Besides all of this talk of burping,
Check the O-ring on the coolant vent screw (the plug)
REPLACE THE O-RING
Maybe buy a new plug from FORD. If the O-ring is leaking, Air will go back in after burping.
Jim
Also, your O-rings on your vent control (EATC) should be ready to go.

[dathinbluline]

Hey thanks guys for the info...I took it to the pepboys in my area yesterday to have it looked at...and they're telling me it could be a blown head gasket!! How would I know if that's the case? I initially thought it may have been the water pump, because the same overheating issue happened when I had my 96' impala. But there was nothing leaking from the car, so pepboys is saying it isn't the water pump...

[musclemerc]

^^You obviously don't turn wrenches. Thake it to a Ford dealer and have it checked by a real professional.

[dathinbluline]

Lol musclemerc, your right, I don't. I need to learn though...and thats exactly the response the ford dealership gave me when I told them what pepboys said. Hopefully they will find and fix the real problem...they helped me out alot when I needed a rear differential...hopefully they will do the same about this overheating problem...

[musclemerc]

Stay away from Pepboys shop. They don't know enough about these motors to correctly diagnose problems with them.
Good luck with the repair.

[dathinbluline]

Thanks sir

[dathinbluline]

Hey everyone. Got the 'rauder back from the dealership...the problem? A stuck thermostat! No gasket problem...so Ive definetly learned my lesson...no more pepboys for me. And it just so turns out that the svc advisor at the Ford dealership is a Maruader enthusiast, so he cuts BIG deals on all work done on Marauders...if you want the addy of the dealership and the name of the svc advisor, you can PM me. The dealership is located MD. I ended up getting my drive belt changed, thermostat replaced, and a new lighting control module(normally $500...headlights cut out on me suddenly while driving!) all for $400 dollars!

He always tells me to tell anyone I know who has a Marauder or ford for that matter, to come see him, so Im passing the word to you guys.

[musclemerc]

Glad it all worked out for you in the end. Stuck t-stat, who would have thunk it?

[fastblackmerc]

Hey everyone. Got the 'rauder back from the dealership...the problem? A stuck thermostat! No gasket problem...so Ive definetly learned my lesson...no more pepboys for me. And it just so turns out that the svc advisor at the Ford dealership is a Maruader enthusiast, so he cuts BIG deals on all work done on Marauders...if you want the addy of the dealership and the name of the svc advisor, you can PM me. The dealership is located MD. I ended up getting my drive belt changed, thermostat replaced, and a new lighting control module(normally $500...headlights cut out on me suddenly while driving!) all for $400 dollars!

He always tells me to tell anyone I know who has a Marauder or ford for that matter, to come see him, so Im passing the word to you guys.

Could have saved you a bunch of $$$ on the LCM / headlight problem. BTW... eventhough you have a new LCM (I assume) you WILL experience the same problem in the future.

[RacerX]

Could have saved you a bunch of $$$ on the LCM / headlight problem. BTW... eventhough you have a new LCM (I assume) you WILL experience the same problem in the future.
Unfortunately, if you don't turn wrenches, you're not getting the LCM out to ship off to have someone solder in the better relays. For not being mechanical and going to the dealership, I think he got a good honest deal.:beer:

[fastblackmerc]

Unfortunately, if you don't turn wrenches, you're not getting the LCM out to ship off to have someone solder in the better relays. For not being mechanical and going to the dealership, I think he got a good honest deal.:beer:

A 7mm socket or nut driver and a little twisting & pulling.

[dathinbluline]

Yea, one of my neighbors who also owns a Marauder told me that all he did was buy some kinda chip, then had someone put them in for him. All he spent was $35. So I probably could have saved some $$$...but ah well. He only charged be $100 for everything...so I do think I made out pretty well.

But I'm guessing that the LCM is a common problem, huh? Is there anything that can be done for a more permanent fix...?

[FordNut]

But I'm guessing that the LCM is a common problem, huh? Is there anything that can be done for a more permanent fix...?

Sort of common. But it's hit n miss, I have 130k on one car and 160k on the other, never had a LCM problem (yet).

[RF Overlord]

For not being mechanical and going to the dealership, I think he got a good honest deal.:beer:Agreed. Last I knew the LCM alone was at least $400 at the dealer. To get the serpentine belt, thermostat, LCM, AND labour for that price is a smokin' deal.

[JimmyXR7]

alright, so a couple weeks ago my mm started overheating so i changed the water pump, thermostat and bled the cooling system and then about a week later it started overheating again. The water pump seems to be fine because i filled the system back up and bled it again and when it starts over heating the hoses have plenty of pressure in them. has anyone else had this problem? the fan works fine also. i dont know what else it could be the temp guage never got to the red so i dont think that i would have blown a head gasket or anything. if you have any ideas please let me know. thanks...

My coolant gauge would spike and then drop, so I thought it was the thermostat sticking. Marauder has 67,000 miles on it. I bought a Murray 195 degree thermostat and installed it with new coolant last weekend. Parts guy showed me the computer screen and It was the right part. Installed it and the engine would not stay cool. Burped the system repeatedly but no more air bubbles and still running hot. temp gauge never got to the red but was running very hot. Had to borrowed my wife's car this week. I bought a Stant thermostat and installed it this morning. Marauder runs fine with normal temperatures. The murray thermostat had a stiffer spring then the motorcraft and stant units (in the flow direction).

The Marauder does not have the thermostat in the engine as most cars do, but in the radiator hoses. So, it must be more sensitive to different types of thermostats.

I would recommend Marauder owners be carefull when purchasing a new thermostat. Jim

[musclemerc]

The stock t-stat is 188deg. and you put in a 195deg. that answer's that one. For a t stat replacement goto Napa and get a TH-109, it comes with the right O ring and is 180deg

[Lenore]

Ok. My marauder is overheating. Starting last night going into the Braves game. Did not overheat but ac quit cooling. Then overheated leaving the game. Called for a tow and they said it would be 3:30 am. Got it back to the motel by driving till hot stopping letting it cool and repeating. Has fluid. Is not running rough. It is cool enough today to make a short trip. I thought thermostat. NAPA didn't have one and thought it was a blower on the front of the radiator. Stuck in Atlanta no mechanics working today. Need direction.

[RF Overlord]

That blower is called the fan and is on the back of the radiator, not the front.

Does it come on when you engage the A/C?

The correct thermostat is 188° and is a cheap and easy try...

[88LTDCV351]

Parts guy showed me the computer screen and It was the right part.

I would recommend Marauder owners be carefull when purchasing a new thermostat. Jim

I found out the hard way that not all aftermarket thermostats work with the Marauder. For instance MotoRad is listed for the Marauder but does not work correctly for our cars as I think they were made for the regular Crown Vic/Grand Marquis. MotoRad doesn't even look like the right one.

[88LTDCV351]

I don't even know why PepBoys is even still in business. Maybe 10+ years ago my brother took his 85 Mercury Cougar there and they wanted to charge him by the hour. They said some major repair to the engine was needed. I can't remember what the repair they suggested was. Anyway, after paying for several hours of the car just sitting in line, we said nevermind and drove away. Car ran fine for several more years until we sold it. Wasn't anything wrong with it.

[Lenore]

Ok. Been stuck in ATL all day waiting for a mobile mechanic who is not coming. Limped down to the grocery store 1/2 mile away. Did not overheat. AC working, water in reservoir has no signs of oil. Didn't hear the fan. No obvious leaks.

[RF Overlord]

Didn't hear the fan. The fan is variable speed. Turn on the A/C, get out and open the hood and verify that it's running.

[Lenore]

Ok. Fan came on sounded horrible and then shut off. I think that may be it. Can't get one till am

[fastblackmerc]

Ok. Fan came on sounded horrible and then shut off. I think that may be it. Can't get one till am

Contact Martyo.... he can help you.

Two things go wrong with the fan...... one - the fan controller goes bad...mm two - the fan blade (s) or the ring around the blades crack and the fan makes the noise you heard.

[Lenore]

Well the fan was bad, the thermostat was stuck, and it still is overheating.

[fastblackmerc]

Well the fan was bad, the thermostat was stuck, and it still is overheating.

After replacing the fan and the stat did you follow the procedure to properly burp ths system?

[03blackvegas]

Took me awhile to Burp my car, found it hard to do the reach around and pat it on the back.

[Lenore]

Yes. 4+ gallons. Goes right through

[RF Overlord]

What do you mean "goes right through"? Once the system is full, you shouldn't be able to add any more fluid, if you're using the correct procedure.

[Marauderjack]

Total coolant capacity is only about 2 gallons if it's completely empty so where is it going??:eek:

[Lenore]

I want to know the answer to that question too. Not going on the ground. Oil and water appear to be separate and it is running fine so maybe not head gasket. The reservoir is leaking. Could that be the whole issue?

[Fastbob]

Time for a compression test and a cooling system pressure test to see if a head gasket is gone.

***** EDIT I missed the part about the reservoir leaking. Get that repaired and then if problem still exists then I would do the above.

[RF Overlord]

The reservoir is leaking. Could that be the whole issue?Yes, it could.

The reservoir is part of the pressurized circuit, unlike a conventional "overflow" bottle, so if it's leaking it's most likely not holding pressure.

[Lenore]

I bought a new radiator cap. It seems to be leaking under the cap on one of the seams of the reservoir.

[Lenore]

It stays cool till it dumps the water. Then it overheats. If I did not make that clear in earlier posts.

[Hooptie]

Shot in the dark but sounds like you need a new resovoir then.

[fastblackmerc]

Yes you need a new resiviour.

[Cabotwick]

Every ****ing winter, the damn temp gauge creeps up to the line right before the red. Had the head gasket replaced 2 years ago and it STILL did it. I've bled the damn thing over 2 dozen times and it's only a matter of time. I can tell when it's going to overheat because of the way the engine sounds. Now what's weird is while it's running hot, if i give it wide open throttle a couple times, I'll smell the heat come on and it'll return to normal temp. It might creep up a couple more times, then it'll stay in the normal range until the next thing i drive it. I ****ING HATE THESE ENGINES!!! I was reading that they're known to leak underneath the intake manifold... Anybody have any experience with that fix?

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[Marauderjack]

Don't know about leaking under the intake but yours sounds like a classic "air in the system" problem!!:cool:

I've had mine 14 years and over 270K miles and it's NEVER done what you describe!!:shake:

Get the air out and you should be OK if the rest of the cooling system is up to par!!:beer: