anybody using a Hydrogen Generator?

[whd507]

anybody using a Hydrogen Generator?
<HR style="COLOR: #666666" SIZE=1><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width="100%">some folks around here are making hydrogen generators for their cars, and yeilding pretty impressive improvements in fuel economy, and one guy is running the truck (http://www.ford-trucks.com/rx98192zju/kwldirect.php?kwid=528)entirel y on hydrogen. a guy that stops in at my store is getting 35+ mpg (http://www.ford-trucks.com/rx98192zju/kwldirect.php?kwid=542)with a F-350 with a 460/C-6.

my coffee guy has a tiny one mocked up on his small suv, and it went from 14 to 21 mpg.

if I hadnt seen it I wouldnt believe it. http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm (http://www.ford-trucks.com/lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.water4ga s.com%2F2books.htm)
this is where he got his info, but the info is all over for free.

I think it would be easier with a diesel, but I'm going to try it.

not trying to start anything, I am just curious what y'all think.

my neighbor invited our family over last night to show us his operating generator. using a battery charger set at 5 amps (we verified 5a draw) it produced a steady stream of HHO, when we bumped it up to the 50 amp setting, it only drew 9a, it spewed out a torch-like stream. he spent about $30 building it and is going to try it on a service truck in his fleet.

I think I am going to build one this weekend.
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[UncleLar]

:confused:

[fastblackmerc]

I use my hydrogen generator to start my flux capacitor!

[Marauder386]

My flux capacitor blew up when I put the 150 shot on it ... and destroyed my tinfoil hat at the same time...

I am looking fer a good deal on a Turbonator ... maybe a group buy ?


8)

[Aren Jay]

When someone we know and trust does this and tests it and says it works then I will pay to do this too. Until then, I'll keep feeding the pump with money for the go juice.

So I do a search and find that everyone is mysteriously dead.

Then I find a video on youtube, from Fox news, and then they say Jimmy Klein is dead too.

Only his name is not Jimmy Klein it is Denny Klein and he isn't dead.

Search up HHO and see for yourself.

Maybe it does work, I don't know but This guy has a patent on this so beware of the free internet kits etc...

They may just be the scam.

[PonyGuy]

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Oh, please... :shake:

[BigCars4Ever]

I would not use this on our cars. The milage improvements will be negated quickly once the EEC learns the new fuel map. The only way to make lasting improvments is to mess with the O2 signals the way the kit does and force a very lean burn condition. My fear is if the Hydrogen/Oxygen mixture is abbruptly removed and your EEC is fooled into a lean burn mode how many seconds will your engine survive the horrible detonation that will likely occur? This is a mod best left for low compression motors.

[Marauderjack]

I have been working with a group that is currently testing Hydrogen generators with a large diesel truck fleet and have seen up to 20% improvement in fuel economy with a constant output unit!!:beer: Variable units should get up to 50% fuel economy improvement but that has yet to be proven!!:shake:

Playing with gasoline cars is a delicate situation due to current EPA emissions and fuel requirements.....EEC and emissions manipulation CAN get you BIG fines!!!:eek:

One thing that has been noticed is the necessity for additional upper cylinder lubrication due to the combustion characteristics of fuel + additional hydrogen and oxygen producing a reduction in upper end lubrication......The whole program is very experimental right now but is the only real way to go to reduce petroleum dependency!!!:bows: Compressed Hydrogen is absolutely not an alternative and fuel cells are a great technology exercise but still use petroleum!!!:shake:

"On Board" Hydrogen generation is the safest route and will be the way of the future.....BUT probably many years out for gasoline vehicles.....and will more than likely be produced by vehicle manufacturers to ensure safety, performance and provide warranties??:confused:

Marauderjack:bandit:

[Dr Caleb]

my neighbor invited our family over last night to show us his operating generator. using a battery charger set at 5 amps (we verified 5a draw) it produced a steady stream of HHO,

HHO? H20 Water?

:argue:

[Marauderjack]

HHO? H20 Water?

:argue:

Caleb.....

HHO is referred to as "Water Gas" which is 2 parts Hydrogen and 1 part Oxygen....perfect ratio for combustion and returning to H2O...liquid water!!:beer:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[whd507]

I'm not planning on trying it on the Marauder, but on one of my work trucks.
my neighbor reports 17 mpg from dodge work van yesterday/today on a full tank refill to refill. previously 10-11 mpg. first day on the truck, I'm letting him be the guinea pig right now

[Richy04]

Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide!


The Invisible Killer


Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
Dihydrogen monoxide:
is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Contamination Is Reaching Epidemic Proportions!

Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!


The Horror Must Be Stopped!
The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.


LOL!! Dihydrogen Monoxide is water!!

[whd507]

I used that article/story when I was teaching high school. every kid in the class bought into it.

anyway, I went to Lowes and got two stainless outlet covers, spaced them 1/8 apart with nylon screws, hooked up a 6 amp battery charger, and yes indeed it does produce flammable bubbles. :)

I think I'll build something this weekend...

[Dennis Reinhart]

anybody using a Hydrogen Generator?



<HR style="COLOR: #666666" SIZE=1><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width="100%">some folks around here are making hydrogen generators for their cars, and yeilding pretty impressive improvements in fuel economy, and one guy is running the truck (http://www.ford-trucks.com/rx98192zju/kwldirect.php?kwid=528)entirel y on hydrogen. a guy that stops in at my store is getting 35+ mpg (http://www.ford-trucks.com/rx98192zju/kwldirect.php?kwid=542)with a F-350 with a 460/C-6.

my coffee guy has a tiny one mocked up on his small suv, and it went from 14 to 21 mpg.

if I hadnt seen it I wouldnt believe it. http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm (http://www.ford-trucks.com/lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.water4ga s.com%2F2books.htm)
this is where he got his info, but the info is all over for free.

I think it would be easier with a diesel, but I'm going to try it.

not trying to start anything, I am just curious what y'all think.

my neighbor invited our family over last night to show us his operating generator. using a battery charger set at 5 amps (we verified 5a draw) it produced a steady stream of HHO, when we bumped it up to the 50 amp setting, it only drew 9a, it spewed out a torch-like stream. he spent about $30 building it and is going to try it on a service truck in his fleet.

I think I am going to build one this weekend.



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I think Zack did, he used one on his blow up doll and it flew away, dam shame it broke his heart.:burnout:

[jgc61sr2002]

I think Zack did, he used one on his blow up doll and it flew away, dam shame it broke his heart.:burnout:\


Now that's funny.:D:rofl::laugh:

[BigCars4Ever]

If you can get your hands on a 2 -2.5 V high current dc-dc supply the cell will stay cleaner longer. The cell voltage depending on the electrolyte used should be in the 2 to 2.5V range. Putting 12 -14 volts will just heat the cell and cook the electrolyte. Some have boosted the cell voltage by adding plates in between the charged plates that are not connected to either terminal.

[Aren Jay]

The Lone Gunmen are watching.

Doesn't this rust out your engine?

[Dennis Reinhart]

If you can get your hands on a 2 -2.5 V high current dc-dc supply the cell will stay cleaner longer. The cell voltage depending on the electrolyte used should be in the 2 to 2.5V range. Putting 12 -14 volts will just heat the cell and cook the electrolyte. Some have boosted the cell voltage by adding plates in between the charged plates that are not connected to either terminal.

Zack met a girl in Seymour that hand one of these power suplies for a bannana shaped device, she had in her purse, she plugged it in while in the tub, God rest her sole May she RIP.

[BigCars4Ever]

Ok...mabey the thread is getting a little to serious.

[whd507]

[quote=Diabolical1 CC;594629]The Lone Gunmen are watching.quote]


you could be right, my wife tells me our door bell went off at 2 am, and of course nobody was there. I slept through it. :sleepy:

[shodude]

Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide!


The Invisible Killer


Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
Dihydrogen monoxide:

is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Contamination Is Reaching Epidemic Proportions!

Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!


The Horror Must Be Stopped!
The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.


LOL!! Dihydrogen Monoxide is water!!

LOL does someone listen to glenn beck?! hehe :beer:

[BigCars4Ever]

Any news on this? I'd really like to hear a first hand experience story.

[whd507]

I made a cell with stainless screens, makes very fine bubbles, like a soda fizzing, it appeared to increase MPG on my 95 towncar by about 2-3 mpg. after two tanks, I swapped out the screens for a 4 plate setup, it creates large bubbles, I'm currently on the first tank with this setup, so far it seems to be better. I may need to enlarge the hose to the intake for better flow, or add a vacuum source to help it purge.

I put a small screen setup on a neighbors nissan pickup, no word yet on results there.

my HVAC guy has his whole fleet setup, most with O2 spacers as well. I sell quite a few anti-foulers at my store for this purpose, so a few people must be trying it as well.


BTW, the door bell was broke, mystery solved...

[BigCars4Ever]

What is an O2 spacer and an anti-fouler? I'm not familiar with these.

[B.C. Bake]

What is this generator you speek of........:dunno:

[whd507]

the spacer is a sparkplug anti-fouler modified to accept an O2 sensor, to back it out of the exhaust stream to prevent the computer from richening the mixture in response to the added oxygen in the exhaust stream.

water4gas.com

[GreekGod]

A flux capacitor is a much better solution, and proven technology:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/../showcase/files/2/1/9/0/Fluxcapacitor.jpg

[whd507]

but the hardware store is out of them. although I have the accel wires in stock...

on the plates, so far the Town Car seems to have picked up quite a bit, need to finish the tank to be sure.

[BigCars4Ever]

whd507, I had a thought. Instead of using an extender to pull the O2 sensor out of the exhaust stream a box to adjust the sensor signal could be used. I know they exist already but I have a twist on the idea. The box would have two inputs, one for the O2 sensor and one for a Differential Pressure sensor. The differential pressure sensor would measure the pressure difference between the Generator itself and the intake tube. If the generator is not producing gas it would add nothing to the O2 sensor signal but when producing gas there would be a delta. At low or part throttle there would be a much higher delta that at higher throttle. The higher the delta the more HO2 per unit of Fuel the more voltage is added to the O2 signal. At higher throttle the delta should become smalled as the vacuum pulls the HO2 faster than it is produced which should mean lower concentrations and less voltage added to the signal. Some experimentation could yield a reasonable transfer function to use. But ultimately if the cell failed to produce gas the engine would revert back to its normal programming.
Time to make a cell myself and collect some data!

[BigCars4Ever]

Updates???

[whd507]

the plates appear to increase overall MPG by about 5 mpg. on premium the 95 Cartier loaded luxo boat get about 28 mpg. the ground strap appears to get a little hot, so I decided to use less baking soda to reduce amperage draw, this also reduces HHO output, so I guess I need to address the heat instead.

[whd507]

it appears to work better on freeway trips, but we haven't taken it on a trip yet. if mixed driving results hold true, it would be around 33-35 hwy mileage.

[GreekGod]

Here is a link that explains the HHO scam:

<http: en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" hho="">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHO

There is no free lunch, and the Publisher's Clearing House van is not coming for you.
</http:>

[GreekGod]

Here is another link about the scam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

[RUSTY]

My friend is big into this, He has had one installed on a locomotive as well as units on long haul trucks. It works for reducing emissions as well as a bonus of up to 20% fuel savings.
His target is to reduce pollution.

[BigCars4Ever]

Here is another link about the scam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car


Maybe you haven't noticed but a few posts up is a real member posting his milage gains with a real hho generator and a real car. This is as close to first hand experience as I have gotten so I am following his progress with extreme interest. He is claiming a 5 mpg increase around town. That's not a free lunch just a little discount.

[Wires]

Chemistry is chemistry. It takes more energy to separate hydrogen from water than you get by burning the hydrogen.

That's what's wrong with the hydrogen powered cars - the only commercially available source of hydrogen is petroleum.

I suspect that a lot of the gains seen are the result of the water injection - this has been done for years. The ECU can then increase timing without knock and thus your mileage is increased and emissions go down. The water reduces detonation, it doesn't burn to reduce the need to burn gasoline.

[Aren Jay]

Isn't this just the cold fusion pipe dream?

[GreekGod]

"Oh, the humanity!"

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/../showcase/files/2/1/9/0/Hindenburg.jpg

[BigCars4Ever]

I suspect that a lot of the gains seen are the result of the water injection - this has been done for years. The ECU can then increase timing without knock and thus your mileage is increased and emissions go down. The water reduces detonation, it doesn't burn to reduce the need to burn gasoline.
??? They don't inject water vapor. It's Hydrogen and Oxygen. The water wouldn't come until after the burn. I don't disagree with your statment entirly. The introduction of the HHO gas allows you to lean out the car more without detonation resulting in better fuel milage. If you could lean the car out from 12:1 to 16:1 that's 30% less fuel used.

[gdmjoe]

GreekGod - A flux capacitor is a much better solution, and proven technology:
AND ... It's on sale
http://kalecoauto.com/images/fluxcap.jpg

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$148,750 (was $175,000 )

[SC Cheesehead]

AND ... It's on sale
http://kalecoauto.com/images/fluxcap.jpg

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$148,750 (was $175,000 )

Dr. Emmett Brown (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000502/): If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious *****.

SCCH

[whd507]

I had a customer today with a 1972 C20 GMC pickup with a cell on it. its making enough HHO (or whatever) to make it run rich. I suggested a Vacuum guage and make a controlled vacuum leak to offset the additional fuel. (he does not want to get into the Q-jet, and I don't blame him)


laugh all you want, for an investment of about $50, the TC gets at least 50 miles further on a tank of gas (and a gallon of water), than it did previous.

[Aren Jay]

How is this different than a water Alcohol injection system?

[whd507]

it uses the water to make HHO gas, the hydrogen is burned, no water is directly consumed by the engine, only the gas. a gallon of water seems to make a lot of HHO gas, as it uses less than a gallon over two tanks.

[BlkRauderMatt]

Most interesting...

I wouldn't mind seeing what it would do on a Marauder...

[Vortech347]

Great, Now we're gona have people driving around mini Hydrobombs...

[Aren Jay]

I don't see how this would be any different than this:

http://www.snowperformance.net/product.php?pk=7

Except that instead of using water vapour for cooling and Alcohol for octane boost and burning, you are using Oxgen for steam and cooling and Hydrogen for burning ...

Same idea different process?

isn't it?

or

Maybe this Hyrdogen thing is just a cover for a basic water injection system, injecting water alone, will do the exact same thing.
Higher octane, better MPG, lower temperatures.

Seems too similar to be completely different.

[Aren Jay]

An interesting article on this:

http://www.gassavers.org/showthread.php?t=7020

it is a forum talking about Meth and HHO.

[whd507]

I'd make meth if it got me better mileage...

two tank average on the 96 Cartier Town Car 4.8 MPG better than without (combined driving) no road trips yet, saving for MM6...

its pulling 20-25 amps, so I don't really want to add a second cell, unless I can power it with a dedicated alternator.

[BigCars4Ever]

Glad to see you haven't been chased off by the nay-sayers. Did you use the O2 spacers to get to 4.8MPG or is that just adding the cell? I was also wondering what you used for flash back protection. I recently acquired a pool chlorine generator cell. They are considered bad when the anodes erode 0.1" smaller than the cathodes. For this it will be perfect. Six platinum coated titanium plates should produce some HHO.

[Rickey1976]

I've got some pretty elaborate plans on a nice generator in the works.Will have a seperate water tank with a pump installed to fill the generator when the water level hits the low level sensor.Will soon have the first monster bronco around running on water.;)

[whd507]

I've been too lazy to install the 02 spacers, I need to do that soon.

I'm going to make a set of smaller ones for the marauder, we'll see how they do, I'll report back when I get them installed, and put a few miles on them. the plates seem to work better than the screens.

[whd507]

on my 79 F-600 I'm thinking 8 ft pipes along the frame rails, with an additional alternator or two.