Stupid MPG numbers?Hydrogen fuel enrichment for anybodys internal combustion engine?

[mmssdriver]

Ok so, I was talking to a guy today who claims he runs his car on both hydrogen and gasoline (basically a hybrid):shake: and gained 15 to 20mpg and HP by using this weird looking device thats basically a large jar of water with battery terminals on it and a vacuum hose connected to his intake.... What do u think? Please tell me why this doesn't work...It was in a 2003 ford Taurus SE with the v6.. he drove 242.2 miles on 6.1 gallons.:lol:. with normal everyday city/highway driving on Long island. I need to know whats wrong with this theory..

http://mydetrentgive.info (http://mydetrentgive.info/)

:flamer:its obvious the entire website looks like one of those typical scams but this guy legitimately had it on his car and i saw it with my own eyes... he said the only thing he had to do was get rid of his cats..

I still wasn't convinced until I got pissed and decided to do a little of my own research and heres some things I found.. Still i'm not convinced but i need some more knowledgeable peoples input on this.. :poke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fuel_enhancement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen_flame
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fuel_enhancement)

[Blk Mamba]

There have been two threads on this subject in the last few weeks, one is Hydrogen generator, don't remember the other. It is a viable solution. It releases the hydrogen from the water, and allows it to burn with the gas. This isn't dangerous, like the hydrogen cars that have storage tanks of hydrogen, because you are only carrying water, and making gas as you need it. with the 6.1 gallons of gas he probably only burnt a couple of teaspoons of water. There have been people claiming up to 56% savings. A member here has been experimenting, and has said he's going to try a small Briggs first. I could go on, and on , but won't. Hook up with this guy I've heard that for about $60 in parts you can make a setup for yourself.

[mmssdriver]

Yeah im ganna put together a system myself from the parts ive researched which really isnt much and try it out on a 96 chevy cavalier.

[davidholland]

This was on Mythbusters this past weekend. It does not work pure crap!

Once we are out of oil, good ole american enginuity will kick and we will figure out a solution when we have no other choice. I'm doing my part to make that happen a little quicker I have 3 v8 guzzlers and a SUV with 6 that is as fuel efficent as a winnebago.

Those who drive a prius/hybrid are actually dragging out the time it will take to reduce our dependence on oil. I wish they would wise up!

[mmssdriver]

I completely believe that this is possibly pure crap I just wanna know the reasoning behind it.. Why cant it work..

[ImpalaSlayer]

a friend of my dads made soemthinf similar but i have no clue if it really works or not

[fastblackmerc]

Match it up with your fluxcapacitor and you'll be set!!!!

If you believe that I have some land to sell you........... or a bridge in the northeast...........

[mmssdriver]

I feel like this stuff fits right in with this website ahahah

www.kalecoauto.com :lol: check that out

[TiTo35]

I feel like this stuff fits right in with this website ahahah

www.kalecoauto.com (http://www.kalecoauto.com) :lol: check that out

I always wanted to spend 145k on a subwoofer....THANKS!!!

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHO

Scroll down to the brown's design and read the applications. It supposedly does help a combustion engine reach higher efficiency, But I'm still skeptical.

[RocsMerc]

Look at this. The world's most expensive glass jar. :lol:
Ebay Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HYDROGEN-OXYGEN-GENERATOR-GAS-ALTERNATIVE-FUEL_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategor yZ42604QQihZ020QQitemZ30021037 9060QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)
Maybe these thing's can save me money on gas. I'll start making them myself and sell them on E Bay for $100. The money made off of each one could run my car for two weeks.:D

Also, check out the small print.

I MUST ADD ALL CARS 1995 AND NEWER WITH FUEL INJECTION MAY SHOW LITTLE IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE OF THE COMPUTER ONBOARD THAT WILL SENSE ADDITIONAL O2 AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS CAUSING MORE FUEL TO BE ADDED TO ENGINE. THIS CAN BE CORRECTED BY ADDING A EFIE UNIT WHICH WILL CORRECT THIS PROBLEM AND INCREASE MILAGE.

[PonyGuy]

The amount of "HHO" generated by the electrodes in that glass jug isn't enough to sustain the pilot light in a stove. Eat a bowl of 5 alarm chili and you'll generate a lot more flammable gas than that "electrolyzer" or whatever his name is for it does.

[mmssdriver]

so you basically need like 100x more HHO and at least have it compressed.. to make this system work? So IN theory this setup works If you can figure out how to make the amount of hydrogen needed to make an impact on the effiency of the engine. But because of the laws of physics at this point it takes too much energy to make the HHO in the amount that it would have any impact on anything in the car for it to be worth it.. ??? Id just like to throw this in some peoples faces because I am completely a non believer of this crap..

[Eric-Blk2004]

What does it matter? American consumers arent wasting gas. The government needs to step in a recall yellow cab Crown Vics. What is the point of a huge v8 that doesnt go above 40mph in NYC? They can get away with a hybrid or even a full blown electric and that saves a TON of gas right there.

Truck Drivers should switch over to a bio-disel fuel to stretch and preserve our disel supply.

Oh and the government should step in a break apart Exxon Mobil - if gas is so hard to get how do you post RECORD profits? All the money went to the stockholders. And I understand 40% of the stock holders are 401k's and pensions but we need to understand a monopoly when we see one.

I am not in favor gas tax or toll increases if the state does not provide other valiable solutions - IE a REAL public transit system. Best country on Earth and no real cross country transit system? Hell try living in central mass and getting to work with out car - impossible!

We need to re-evaluate what is important and what is not. I for one thing taxi's should be full blown eletric sedans and not use a drop of gas. Or hybrids since they will be driving slow enough for the electric motor to work.

It is a simple fix - but it would require to much up front cost and people are scared of that.

Change cost money, put up or shut up.

[omarauder]

Running an electric current through water causes hydrogen to bubble up one electrode and oxygen to bubble up the other. Combining the two near an ignition source makes a nice bang, and you have water again. Cost of electricity is more than the energy generated by the bang. I think your battery also generates H2 when its charging....

[Breadfan]

Remember, there's a big difference between "profits" and "profit margin", important when it comes to oil companies...

Still, there's no reason for the prices to be this high, especially for diesel.

I don't understand this "public transport" system people ask for. We live in the US, 3000 miles from coast to coast.

People always go "look at Europe, they have public transportation!"

Well, Eurpoean countries are the size of our STATES.

They also pay for this public transporation by LARGE fuel taxes. They complain gas is $6-8/gallon there, but it's becuase they TAX it up that high, to pay for all this "free public transportation" they enjoy.

Have you ever driven across much of the country? There's no way we could have a large public transportation infrastructure across this country. It's too big, too vast.

We got buses, trains, and planes that go anyhwere in the country, just you gotta pay for it. Make it a gov't system and you compete with these private industries and pay indirectly through taxes, and probably $6-$8/gallon gas.

Huge public transportation across the country is a Europe thing, not an America thing. Yes we could probably do better in our cities, but not cross country.

[Eric-Blk2004]

I was suggesting more for a cities and improve the existing infrastructure of cross continential services.

I am just amazed that we do not have a solid public transit system, outside of LA and NYC. It is no longer a question of need - the less oil there is the more need will be created. Moreover, the more expensive gas becomes there need will be created.

Hell the country is in debt trillions of dollars - why not put it into government construction jobs at the state/federal level to improve city transit which will help on energy consumption etc etc. I hate living in central Mass and the only train to boston is once an hour.

[Breadfan]

I do agree our metropolitan systems could be better. Here in DC metro is crowded, and outside in the suburbs there aren't many mass transit systems in place. I personally do not like riding mass transit but I bet a good system would be used by lots of people and clear up roads some.

I have had some people go on and on claiming we need mass transit through the country...

[mmssdriver]

I was in Toronto Canada 7 years ago and they had fully electric and hydrogen powered Buses.. full size buses.. I still don't see that in the U.S and im in NY one place that could absolutely benefit from it.

[Breadfan]

I was in Toronto Canada 7 years ago and they had fully electric and hydrogen powered Buses.. full size buses.. I still don't see that in the U.S and im in NY one place that could absolutely benefit from it.

Yeah, something like that would be cool, and very beneficial. Guess the big thing is who will pay for it, I just hope it wouldn't be via gas tax, I'm a nice guy but I don't wanna buy more expensive gas in VA to pay for electric buses in NYC. ;)