Logan's new spoiler!

[rumble]

Here is Logans new spoiler. On the left you can see him with his chest puffed out, proud as a peacock! On the right is 2003MIB
shaking his head in wonderment!

[Logan]

Dang nab it... Where's my button... Hmmm...

Makin' me look like Wilson off Home Improvement... ehehhe...

It really doesn't look bad... I think it's more the fact that I've installed them before and KNOW it's done wrong, therefore is driving me nuts...

New lid and spoiler are in on Monday...

[RF Overlord]

Kinda looks like the infamous Porsche 911 Whale-Tail...

D'OH!

:P

Wilson...heh...

[TripleTransAm]

It doesn't look as bad as was initially described. If I didn't know how it was supposed to look, I wouldn't have thought twice.

So, on a gayness factor between 1 and 5 butt-blasts, with 5 being the gayest, I'd have to give it 3 bums up.

[Logan]

I'm a fairly picky individual, and rather critical of stupidity, so on my gay-o-meter, this ranks an 8.97 billion. ;)

[TAF]

Oh man...that looks like a cross between Greg Louganis and Harvey Fierstein...:lol:

J/K Logan...don't hit that "button"

[jaywish]

OK I give ,

Go ahead (I'm showing my ignorance here) but what is wrong with the spoiler install?
Wrong angle?
Maybe it's the picture, what am I looking for?

Thanks
Jay

[RF Overlord]

Wrong angle...

The spoiler should have just the slightest upward sweep, essentially being an extension of the little lip that's already there...it should be almost horizontal, although in the proper mounting location, it's totally useless as a spoiler; it's more cosmetic than anything...

[jaywish]

Thanks,

So maybe Logan's install actually puts some pressure on the rear end.

[TAF]

Originally posted by jaywish
So maybe Logans install actually puts some pressure on the rear end.

O.K. No...I won't go there^^^^:help:

[TripleTransAm]

RF is right. The purpose of the spoiler isn't really downward force, although in extreme angles it might actually create some vector of force. The real use of a spoiler is to 'spoil', go figure.

Depending on the aerodynamics of a car, the air going over the vehicle will have a greater distance to travel as compared to the air travelling below the car. The result is a pocket of vacuum behind the car that serves as both drag AND lift. Not good for high speed stability.

With the spoiler, the air flow over the car is interrupted and the pocket of vacuum is disturbed and minimized. Drag and lift is significantly reduced.

[nomad]

Hey TTA, is that A 300A or a 300B? :)

[Slowpoke]

I. for one, am amazed at the artistry sills some of you display. Even though I am a whiz at PhotoShop, Illustrator and other complex graphic programs, I am a complete idiot when it comes to a simple sketch.

I saw the spoler in person and it does indeed make me wonder of the intelligence level of Logan's dealer's mechanic who actually had to do more work than necessary just to make the spolier fit incorrectly.

Just for fun here is a rendering of my car - i believe I posses the LEAST amount of artistry skills on this board.

Have a nice day - I am going bowling with the wife and the boy! [yet, another reaason the drive the Marauder]

Incidently, at the bowling party I am going to, there will be a family friend with a 15-yr old boy who got his learner's permit a few months ago. I am going to let him drive my car!! I will report back later. and if you are anywhere near Arlington Heights, IL, stay off the roads!

[Dave Compson]

Sorry logan, the spoiler install is sickening. But, if i didnt know any better It wouldnt look too bad. (hehe)

Oh how i would have loved to be a fly on the wall when you tore into them for installing the spoiler incorrectly. How did you convince them it was on wrong? How hard did they fight you to prove it was on right? Since they (the dealers) dont know anything about our cars, i cant imangine how they would install a part some of them deny exists. Anyway, ill climb down off my soapbox.

Honestly though i am happy you have a new marauder again... It was kinda wrong our grand poobah didnt have the car his great site promoted.

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by nomad
Hey TTA, is that A 300A or a 300B? :)

Man, can't you see it's got Traction Control? Sheesh....

;)


Poor dealer monkey... I feel sorry for the guy, he probably had no clue it was supposed to be mounted so flat. To be 100% honest, the first time I saw the photos of the MM spoiler, the first thing that came to my mind was "well, that thing isn't functional at all..." I suppose he was only trying to mount it in a fashion that one would expect a spoiler to mount on a car.

Hey, at least he didn't mount it on top of some polished aluminum mount full of holes, about 3 feet high! :flamer:


Idea: we're all looking at that spoiler from one angle... more pics from different angles might help us ascertain the true gayness of this install.

[Logan]

The car was a dealer transfer from another local dealer, and apparently the monkey who installed it, did so at least 8 months ago and they've no clue who it would've been...

That being said, a new decklid and spoiler is solving the issue, so it's really not that big a deal.

[joflewbyu2]

Being a perfectionist, I would be so aggravated knowing ther are at least 4 more holes in the trunk. And that is if they didn't mess up and drilled extras holes cause the couldn't get the spoiler to line up on the first try. I would be tempted to buy a new decklid and paint and install it myself.

[jgc61sr2002]

Originally posted by joflewbyu2@aol.
Being a perfectionist, I would be so aggravated knowing ther are at least 4 more holes in the trunk. And that is if they didn't mess up and drilled extras holes cause the couldn't get the spoiler to line up on the first try. I would be tempted to buy a new decklid and paint and install it myself. jo - Logan stated " a new trunk lid and spoiler is on the way".

[Logan]

Ok good. Cuz for a second there I thought I said that 3 or 4 times already... :)

[jefferson-mo]

Hey Steve you shoulda said your SON drew those cars..............



:lol:

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by jefferson-mo
Hey Steve you shoulda said your SON drew those cars..............


Come now, many of you know he's only just shy of two years old... no way he'd be familiar with Photoshop 7. He's only just recently gotten the hang of Photoshop 6, so that would have been pushing it...

Say, Logan, before considering the new spoiler, I'd seriously think about maybe getting a new lid as well... might be hard to get the holes patched up right.






:D

[jefferson-mo]

holes??


what holes????



can you describe the holes sir?????

[joflewbyu2]

jgc61sr2002, Logan & all, my bad - I should have read more carefully. Thank God I drive better than I read !! easy situation to correct, just switch the trunk lid with a black GM along with the lights and lock and then order a new spoiler and hand the spoiler to Logan to install - of course if that is all OK w/ Logan.

[Logan]

That's pretty much what's happening...

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by joflewbyu2@aol.
jgc61sr2002, Logan & all, my bad - I should have read more carefully.


We're all just kidding around with you, I hope you realize. :D

[2003 MIB]

Hey Logan- If they are doing a new trunk lid AND spoiler, does that mean you'll have the original spoiler for sale?

[Logan]

No, it's being warrantied back to Ford for defective paint, which it is... There's a run in the paint on one side of it...

[2003 MIB]

Damn! There would have been a certain cache' in owning such a famous part.:D

[RF Overlord]

Originally posted by 2003 MIB
Damn! There would have been a certain cache' in owning such a famous part.:D

Teacher's pet!!!!

:lol:

[2003 MIB]

He's gonna have a bunch of free stuff in Ennis...I was hoping he'd be so tired of catching hell over the spoiler he'd give it away....Can't blame a guy for tryin':rolleyes:

[LincMercLover]

And I thought I was bad...

[Bigdogjim]

Hey that great idea! A free one! Now why did I not think of that?
Can't waite to get to Marauderville!

[merc406]

It's more than likely that the spoiler at this angle will work better at high speed than being flat, had a 79 L82 Vette with about the same angle on the rear foil, that car had grip at speeds of over 115.
Now add one under the frt bumper, same angle, now you have better cooling and some stable road handeling. Lowering the whole car will of coarse help.

[SergntMac]

Excuse me, can I back things up here a moment? Please?

It's called a "spoiler" because of what it does, or, did, when the first spoiler came to be. Back in the late '60s, Chevy Camaro's and Pontiac Trans Am's were really kicking butt on road courses, and one of the reasons they could kick butt, was their new "spoiler."

This rear end air dam wing added two performance benefits. Additional downward force to the rear end of the car (where weight was lacking), and..."spoiling" the air for the next car behind, who used to hang on your rear end and enjoy an easy "draft" that could contribute to his acceleration past you when the other timings were right. It's a "spoiler" because of it's greater benefit, think about it.

Front facias act as air dams and are called that. Ground effects are ground effects, and rear facias are commonly called spoilers.

We name things for what they do, and you can feel the areodynamics from front to rear as you speak the words, yes?

A spoiler's main function is to spoil the air behind you, so you get drafted. It's next job was to pin the back end down to the track.

IMHO...

[RCSignals]

now then, the "wings" that are commonly put on "ricers" are probably "spoilers" too, but they are also for down force.
Why do they need so much down force on the rear of a FWD car?

[RF Overlord]

Originally posted by RCSignals
Why do they need so much down force on the rear of a FWD car?

I wanna be there with a camera when some slacker figures that out and puts a giant 2-stage wing on the hood of his Civic!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:lol:

...sounds like something TAF would own...

[Logan]

Originally posted by SergntMac
Excuse me, can I back things up here a moment? Please?


Well geez, at least you're polite about it.... :lol:

[Racerx88]

I wanna be there with a camera when some slacker figures that out and puts a giant 2-stage wing on the hood of his Civic!!!!

Like this?
http://www.anti-rice.com/rice13/nicecivicmate.jpg

[2003 MIB]

Looks like the tray they use at Sonic to serve chili dogs.:eek:

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by RCSignals
now then, the "wings" that are commonly put on "ricers" are probably "spoilers" too, but they are also for down force.
Why do they need so much down force on the rear of a FWD car?


If you think those ricer spoilers are put on there for downforce reasons, you need :help:

:D

Seriously, though, a spoiler is still needed on both FWD and RWD cars depending on the shape of the car.

Look at the Audi TT. Neat aerodynamic shape, right? Wrong. In Germany where they were allowed to get up to much faster speeds than in the US, there was a whole rash of TTs flying off the highway once they got above a certain speed. Why? Because of the reason I posted earlier... the air flowing over the car had the effect of creating lift (this is all described in the writings of guys called Bernoulli and Venturi... it's the same principle behind an airplane wing and its cross-sectional shape). So after a certain speed, the rears would lift off the ground and the cars would go careening out of control into the weeds...

So in Europe, a mandatory recall was instated to retrofit all TTs with this ugly little stubby spoiler, all in order to interrupt the smooth flow of air over the car body. In the US, the spoiler is available but I don't believe the automaker is obliged to install it free of charge, since legally one cannot drive at the speeds where such lift was being experienced.

[MAD-3R]

As it is for me, "The Blues Brothers" is one of the favorite movie for many peolle on this site. WHat does this have to do with Spoilers?

Before the falling-Pinto scene could be filmed, the filmmakers had to get an "Air UN-worthyness certificate" from the Federal Aviation Administration for the Pinto. This was done by conducting preliminary drop tests to ensure that it would not behave as an airfoil and drift from its target line, but would drop "like a brick" when dropped from a great height.

[2003 MIB]

So in summary:
Logan's spoiler is a design improvement. It's like he's peeling back the foreskin of Marauder technology
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Slowpoke]

a BRISS for a Marauder -- just make sure it's done seven days after you take delivery.

[Logan]

Ok... Umm... ewwww. We're done.