"Beggin' For Brembos"

[WJSOLOMON]

The more I look at these OEM Disks and Calipers, the more I think that they're just Not pretty! Maybe on a CV, but I keep telling myself that their appearance is Not up to the Class and Distinction of our Marques.

I keep thinking about how Sharp a Set of Polished Brembos would look, with all of those Air Holes, and Slots to dissapate the Hot Air and Gasses, Plus the High Class Look of the Silver or Black Calipers.

Now they Could make our Wheels a Real Focal Point, in addition to stopping the Car on it's nose.

The Wheels's just Beggin' for a Brembo, bud.

As soon as the Connecting Hardware is on the Market, the Brembos are on my Car! It''s the "Final Step Up"..........that is until Dennis comes along with the Super Charger Kits!


:eek: :confused: ;) :cool:

[Logan]

In talking with them, there are no plans for a crownvic/grand marquis/marauder kit.

[MAD-3R]

Well, The Bullit/Cobra OEM Breaks work for this beast, and will add that Look you want.

[fast01gt]

Originally posted by MAD-3R
Well, The Bullit/Cobra OEM Breaks work for this beast, and will add that Look you want.

If those will work, the Baer Claw system for those would probably work also

[WJSOLOMON]

Originally posted by MAD-3R: "Well, The Bullit/Cobra OEM Brakes work for this beast, and will add that Look you want."


So.......they Will work on our 8" x 18" Wheels?

But, if I pay More, could I still have the BREMBOS?

That Large Grey / Silver Disc with the Gold Highlighted Slots and Pre-Punched Holes, together with the Black Calipers just seems to Scream:

"To Be the Man, you've got to Beat the Man!"

Consider this, we both pull up in front of Ruth Crist's Steak House, and in addition to all of the otner Cosmetic and Performance Mods to both of our Sleds, you notice that I've got the Up-Graded BREMBO Brake System, and you don't...........

How's that $50.00 Steak and $100.00 Bottle of Cake Bread Merlot going to taste now dudes?


Worst of all, as you're leaving the Restaurant, how's it goin' to feel when the "Junior Valet" is sent to bring your Car around, while the "Regulars" are over in the corner pointing your way, and snickering about Your Sled?

:eek: :confused: ;) :cool:


"Could Happen!"

[WJSOLOMON]

Originally posted by Logan: "In talking with them, there are no plans for a crownvic/grand marquis/marauder kit."

You mean the "Spuper Charger Kits", or the "Brembo Kits"?


:eek: :confused: ;) :cool:

[MAD-3R]

Consider this, we both pull up in front of Ruth Crist's Steak House, and in addition to all of the otner Cosmetic and Performance Mods to both of our Sleds, you notice that I've got the Up-Graded BREMBO Brake System, and you don't...........

I, with the very nice, sharp and good looking, but not AS good looking as the brembos, will be able to aford to eat at Ruth's, and be able to go to the show after, and dancing with my lady on the River, while you are out trying to scrape up the scratch together to tip the valet who just came roaring up with your sled, and slammed on those pretty breaks, Bursting a line, and spraying you, your lady, and your car with break fluid. Yeah you get the satifaction of beating the valet to the curb, but then the rest of the night, your trying to explain to the judge WHY.

"Could Happen!"

[WJSOLOMON]

Originally posted by MAD-3R
Consider this, we both pull up in front of Ruth Crist's Steak House, and in addition to all of the otner Cosmetic and Performance Mods to both of our Sleds, you notice that I've got the Up-Graded BREMBO Brake System, and you don't...........

I, with the very nice, sharp and good looking, but not AS good looking as the brembos, will be able to aford to eat at Ruth's, and be able to go to the show after, and dancing with my lady on the River, while you are out trying to scrape up the scratch together to tip the valet who just came roaring up with your sled, and slammed on those pretty breaks, Bursting a line, and spraying you, your lady, and your car with break fluid. Yeah you get the satifaction of beating the valet to the curb, but then the rest of the night, your trying to explain to the judge WHY.

"Could Happen!"


Point Taken. The '97 Cake Bread would probably taste a lot better than the '02 Motorcraft Brake Fluid

[modular46]

Somehow, I don't see the Cobras fitting the Marauder. They will not fit any 98+ CV/GMs and the MM brakes are the same. OR Am I really gonna be upset that I just sold a set of Cobras with 1000 miles on them?

[MAD-3R]

Hate to be the brake it to ya, but,we CURRENTLY have the Mustang GT breaks. They guys at my speed shop were puzzeled why they would put them on, andf not the High end ones.

[bozobill]

A full moon in the middle of the day! Who woulda thought it could have THAT much influence on fantasizing. And oh, it's "Ruth's Chris". If you ate there occasionally you'd know how to spell it.

[modular46]

I just took a look at my MM brakes and they do certainly appear like the Mustang brakes. Now it's all starting to make sense, "new" offsets for CV/GM/MM wheels, shallower "hat" section on the rotor.

I apologize, it appears that the caliper may be the same as the CV/GN 98+ and the rotor is the same diameter, but they are different. Now if the caliper mount is the same (as the Mustang), then I agree that the Cobra brakes will fit.

And to think, I just sold a set, not that I would've put them on my MM, yet.

Now to check some part numbers.

Now that leads to a question... Why we got thses steekin' small brakes peering out from behind those very large wheels?

:eek:

[VaderSS]

""I keep thinking about how Sharp a Set of Polished Brembos would look, with all of those Air Holes, and Slots to dissapate the Hot Air and Gasses, Plus the High Class Look of the Silver or Black Calipers.""

Ok, one of my pet peeves.

I agree, they really look sharp, and when they are bigger or thicker than stock, they actually have some performance benefit.

But, if you are looking at two identical pieces, one drilled/slotted and one not, the non-drilled/slotted rotor will be the better rotor.

Holes and slots were originally put there because the pads of the day "outgassed" and the holes were needed to prevent this from forming a hot layer of gas between the rotor and pad, but today's pads do not "outgas" so they are not needed. Holes/Slots reduce mass and create stress points where cracks can form. Now they are there for looks and to reduce mass, but the reduced mass means they heat up quicker. Also keep in mind, a drilled/slotted rotor is more likely to crack than a blank one.

Some rotors have the holes cast in, and this reduces the amount of stess involved, but the majority of rotors have the holes drilled in and that is a crack waiting to happen. Any drilled or slotted rotor will need frequent inspection to detect cracking.

[TAF]

My 3 main pet peeves with appearance of the car are:

1) The "waterfall" badges on the front and rear (JFB, where are you?)
2) The windsheild wipers suck, and they are cheap and it bugs me that they don't hinge.

and...

3) The nasty, rusty-looking brakes.

I agree that Brembos would look great, and I would consider if they were available. Not for $3k, but, for $1-$1.5 or so...I'd consider it. I don't know enough to have an opinion on the holes/slots. But, I DO know they would look GREAT behind those wheels. (Black calipers though...not red)

[mensrea]

OK... I just got off the phone with the guys at Baer Brakes and they tell me they have a sweet setup for the Marauder...

Here's a high level overview

PBR 2 piston caliper (same calipers as on the C5 )
14 inch rotors 1 1/4 inch thick
Stainless steel lines
High performance pads

Total price is $1095 plus an additional 120 if you want the rotors slotted.

They just finished the package and it is not in their catalog yet, but you can order it from them directly!

AND you can get them zinc washed for that nice shiny look (anyone know the durability of the finish)

I am having the shop put them on mine

BTW< they also have replacement rotors for the back, price $290.00:D

[Impala SS AutoX]

At that price and assuming it's a copy of the C5 brakes, it's actually a 13x1.25" rotor. 14" is gonna cost a LOT more than that :)

Still, it should make a nice upgrade in the "whoa" department for $1100!

[mensrea]

I am just going off of what Baer told me....Why would 14 inch rotors be that much more... And I think it is just the calipers that are on the C5 .

Now what color to choose for the calipers?

[Impala SS AutoX]

The C5 caliper won't work with a 14" rotor, for starters:)

Also, all the other kits from Baer that are based off the C5 caliper use the C5 (or very closely sized) rotor.....which is approx 13x1.25". They are also all in that price range : around $1K.

As for calipers : I'm not sure if Baer will supply in any color other than aluminum. However, epoxy caliper paint would make it any color you want for $50. And if you wanna REALLY confuse the heck out of the car next to you at the light, the C5 Z06 calipers (same caliper, but RED and says "Corvette" on it....approx $85 each from GM) will bolt right on :D

[mensrea]

Again, all I can tell you is what the guys at Baer told me, and that is a PBR2 (SIMILAR to the C5) with 14 inch rotors... will be interesting to see the package.

Also, Baer says that their calipers are offered in either color(s) or polished.

[Moparzz]

This has been an interesting thread to read, however, one of the things I was most impressed with when I first test-drove the Marauder was the excellent brake feel. Well modulated and very balanced. I think instead of spending a whole lot of dough on an already excellent brake system I might just paint those calipers a nice shiney black to match the rest of the car.

[mensrea]

I would agree that the stock brakes are acceptable, however with over 400 horse I want to make absolutely certain I can stop when I need to. Driving every day in heavy traffic in Chicago I use the heck out of my brakes.

Who knows, maybe the brakes won't add much, but then again I am not willing to risk it.

ImpalaSS--- check out this link to Baer's GTP brake set up, this is the version they are selling for the Marauder...
Baer GTP 14inch rotor kit (http://www.baer.com/products/gtp.shtm)

[RancorKeeper]

Originally posted by WJSOLOMON
So.......they Will work on our 8" x 18" Wheels?
But, if I pay More, could I still have the BREMBOS?
The Bullitt & Cobra have 13" Brembo's up front. These should be a direct bolt-on for the Marauder,as it has the same brakes as the Mustang GT, IINM.

[MAD-3R]

This was sent to the Mustang club members here. IT's only Fronts, but a good place to start.


After recently running out of the complete front brake kits, we have more ready to ship! Either Cobra or Bullitt front brake kits are (still) just $399.99/each plus freight. Each kit includes... a pair of Cobra "COBRA"-lettered or red Bullitt front brake calipers with mounting brackets and brake pads, a pair of Brembo 13" front brake rotors and a pair of brake hoses with banjo bolts. Keep in mind that these kits are 100% genuine Ford parts and fit all 1994-present Mustangs except Cobra. Individual components are available separately, too. We've attached an image of the Bullitt kit for an example...
Performance Parts, Inc.
13120 Lazy Glen Court
Oak Hill, VA 20171-2326 (703) 742-6207 http://www.mustangparts.com

[fast01gt]

Is the Baer system cross drilled or slotted?

[mensrea]

At the price I was quoted it was neither drilled nor slotted. HOwever if you want them slotted and zinc washed it adds about a hundred bucks per axle.

[modular46]

MAD-3R since you are positive the Cobra/Bullits will bolt on, why don't you buy a set?

[MAD-3R]

"WWW"
Walet
Warrenty
Wife
Must satify all three for me to do anything.

[modular46]

Oh yeah, I forgot what that meant before World Wide Web. I am going to check PNs for the GT vs MM. I know an individual that tried it on earlier versions of a CV and it didn't work. I will do an upgrade and the Cobra/Bullit would certainly be cost effective. Cheers

[modular46]

I checked a few new Mustang GTs (99+) in the parking lot today. I DO NOT see that they are the same brakes as on our Marauders. What I find are 11 inch rotors with calipers that are similar (maybe the same).

Makes me curious when I hear that MM brakes (12 inch rotors) are the same as the GT.

Am I missing something? I'm not saying that the Cobras will not bolt on, but the brakes appear smaller on the GTs. I need more data.

Perhaps they are on 2003 GTs, which I may not have found.

:confused:

[Logan]

I was told they're the same brakes that are on any other 03 Grand Marquis, they're not Marauder specific.

[WJSOLOMON]

Originally posted by Logan: "I was told they're the same brakes that are on any other 03 Grand Marquis, they're not Marauder specific."

I hear ypu loud and clear, but it's just Hard to believe that the OEM GM's Brake Specs would satisfy the greater demand loads that or MM's will put on them.

Who really know and can substantiate this "hearsay"?

:eek: :confused: :( ;) :cool:

[modular46]

I would think that a Crown Vic P-71 would need better brakes than a MM.

The real question (earlier in this thread) was that the MM was supposed to have Mustang GT brakes. The GTs I've looked at have 11" brakes vs. 12" on the MM. The caliper does look similar.

Sounds to me like we have a mix of hearsay and fact.

If the Cobra brakes will indeed bolt up, they are probably too thin to avoid warpage from the heavier MM.

If Baer has a system with 13 or 14" diameter and 1.25 inch thick rotors, they would be the better choice in the long run

[WJSOLOMON]

Originally posted by modular46: "I would think that a Crown Vic P-71 would need better brakes than a MM. The real question (earlier in this thread) was that the MM was supposed to have Mustang GT brakes. The GTs I've looked at have 11" brakes vs. 12" on the MM. The caliper does look similar. Sounds to me like we have a mix of hearsay and fact.
If the Cobra brakes will indeed bolt up, they are probably too thin to avoid warpage from the heavier MM.If Baer has a system with 13 or 14" diameter and ? inch thick rotors, they would be the better choice in the long run."

So..................other than Paul Harvey, who knows "The Rest Of The Story"?

[modular46]

Even if it IS Paul Harvey, we'd like to know!:D

[FordNut]

I know I posted awhile back that the MM brakes seemed to perform quite well, but I was at the dealer's today and also noticed how small the MM brakes look compared to the Cobra. I believe I'll take a tape measure with me next time I go to see if they're the same thickness. Maybe not as great an upgrade as going with the Brembo/Baer's but nowhere near as expensive either.

[CRUZTAKER]

OK, coming from a man who doesn't do brakes....is the $1095 price for the ENTIRE FRONT setup?

The rear must look the same....how much will that ENTIRE run?

Sounds like a home equity line of credit to me.

[Beadhead]

The (stock) brakes on my '99 Cobra are Brembo rotors with PBR calipers and they are great -- no fade that I can detect whatsoever. If they'll fit the MM, I've no doubt they'd be both effective and cost effective.

[looking97233]

Okay, all GM, CV, PI, and MM have the same barakes. Yes Baer offers a front kit. 14" rotors, 2 piston calipers. You can also get rear rotos to match the front ones (stock replacement size) if you get drilled or slotted, zinc washed, cad plated, or pink with yellow poka-dots.

http://www.baer.com/Showcase/ProductsList.aspx?CategoryID=1

[FordNut]

I did some comparisons today at the Ford dealer's. I only checked out the fronts. The GT brakes appear to be the same diameter as the MM. The Cobra brakes are the larger 13" diameter. The overall width is the same. The MM rotors have a lot thicker metal where the pads contact them (the cooling fins in the center are thinner than the Cobra's). So, I believe they may fit but will probably warp as someone stated in an earlier post. So the easy way out (Cobra conversion) is probably not going to work out.