Marauder Replacement Tire Buying Guide

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The Marauder replacement tire buying guide is nearly complete. Feel free to contribute directly or provide feedback to me here. Enjoy!

https://www.mymarauder.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tires

P.S. - I still need pictures! Particularly, I'd like close-ups of the tire placard and the different tires.

[Pat]

Thanks Red;

Your work is appreciated. Comparisons of tires on a single document is very helpful.

Looking at the chart it would seem the stock tire tread wear figure is still the best. yet that is our biggest complaint about the tire.

Did I read this right?

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Looking at the chart it would seem the stock tire tread wear figure is still the best. yet that is our biggest complaint about the tire.

Did I read this right?

You read that correctly. However, the treadwear is only a valuable comparison when comparing tire models for a single manufacturer. Unfortunately, there isn't much accountability when it comes to how manufacturers select/estimate a treadwear rating, and what one tire manufacturer calls a 400 can be a 300 by another. This is common in sport tires. Also, the treadwear does not consider factors such as loading, pressure, and alignment. On our heavy cars, we're going to eat tires fast, no matter what. It just gets worse with spirited, high speed, and sometimes long-distance driving due to heat buildup and consequently quicker breakdown.

[Local Boy]

Awesome work Red!!!

That's really helpful, to people like myself, who know little about the important stuff, regarding tires...

Thanks ALOT, my friend...

ALOHA

[Peace2Peep]

Dont forget Z speed rating!

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Awesome work Red!!!

Thanks! It still needs some work, so I'll try to clean it up a little more in my spare time next week. I've found a few new tire options and want to research them some more before posting them there.

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Dont forget Z speed rating!
Thanks! 'Z' was from the old speed rating codes and is not a component of the service description. It is still commonly used as part of the size to indicate a tire that is capable of speeds in excess of 149MPH. 'Z' tires can be rated as W or Y. I'll add this clarification to the speed rating section.

[Aren Jay]

needs some work:

https://www.mymarauder.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tires#Combinat ion_Sizes

How can the third last combo be 29.92% different from stock?

We also need to add the perfered wheel alignment specs so we can sticky it in one place.

[STLR FN]

Red you can Falken Ziex S/T Z01 to the mix. 235/50 for the fronts and 255/55 for the rears.

Falken Tire (http://www.falkentire.com/xhtml/tires.php?category=4&tire=7)


I'm using them on my Marauder now and have been very pleased with them.


http://www.falkentire.com/media/tires/7/wheel.png

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needs some work:

https://www.mymarauder.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tires#Combinat ion_Sizes

How can the third last combo be 29.92% different from stock?
The number is the percent change of the front-rear difference. Let me know if you have a problem with the math or estimation (please provide more details than simply "needs some work").


We also need to add the perfered wheel alignment specs so we can sticky it in one place.
Provide me references to the information and I will post it.

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Red you can Falken Ziex S/T Z01 to the mix. 235/50 for the fronts and 255/55 for the rears.

Falken Tire (http://www.falkentire.com/xhtml/tires.php?category=4&tire=7)

I'm using them on my Marauder now and have been very pleased with them.
Thanks! I added them. Are there any other owners using them?

[STLR FN]

None that I know of.

[Blackmobile]

None that I know of.

Ya never know, those look like my next set of tires. Thanks for the heads up.

[QWK SVT]

Thanks! I added them. Are there any other owners using them?

As of tomorrow AM, I will be :burnout:

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As of tomorrow AM, I will be
Congrats on the new tires! If you and the others determine they're suitable and safe replacements for the BFGs, I'll add them to the common options list. Report back once you get some miles on them. Thanks!

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If you and the others determine they're suitable and safe replacements for the BFGs, I'll add them to the common options list.
As there are several members who have tried the Falken Ziex S/T Z01 tires with success, I moved them to the common combinations list.

[Aren Jay]

I begining to wonder if my Snow tires are of good enough spec for use on my Marauder. I keep thinking I'm having rear shock problems or I have a flat tire but I look and check and they are fine. But recent threads about sidewall flex has me wondering.

[Vortech347]

Is it broke down by all season and "summer" tires?

[SC Cheesehead]

Thanks! I added them. Are there any other owners using them?

I think 03mmonroe is running them in the rear.

I just put on a new set of General Grabber UHP's on the back of the Bluesmobile, and I'm pleased with looks and performance so far. (Running OEM BFG's up front)

Size (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/brochure/tire/tireSize.jsp) 255/55R18XL 109W BSW

UTQG (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/brochure/tire/utqg.jsp) 360AA

Treadwear (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/brochure/tire/tireTreadwear.jsp) 360

Traction (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/brochure/tire/tireTraction.jsp) A

Temperature (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/brochure/tire/tireTemperature.jsp) A

Speed Rating (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/brochure/tire/tireSpeedrating.jsp) Z

http://www.discounttire.com/product/tires/genrh2.ang.jpg

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Is it broke down by all season and "summer" tires?
The tires are not classified as such, but I do discuss the significance of tire type. I'll capture it in the todo and if you're willing, you're welcome to create a tire type column in the table.

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I just put on a new set of General Grabber UHP's on the back of the Bluesmobile, and I'm pleased with looks and performance so far. (Running OEM BFG's up front)
Please provide an update once you have put a couple thousand miles on them. I've added a todo to the guide to capture these pending positive feedback. Thanks for providing the specs!

[SC Cheesehead]

Originally Posted by SC Cheesehead http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=651961#post65 1961)
I just put on a new set of General Grabber UHP's on the back of the Bluesmobile, and I'm pleased with looks and performance so far. (Running OEM BFG's up front)


Please provide an update once you have put a couple thousand miles on them. I've added a todo to the guide to capture these pending positive feedback. Thanks for providing the specs!

Will do, the run out to MVVI and back should be a good indicator.

[fastblackmerc]

I'm running the Hankook Ventas RH06 255/55/18's on the rear of my MM. Have lotsa miles on them, they handle great, minimal road noise and fantastic wear.

This is what they look like
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u133/fastblackmerc/MM%20Mods/Tires/Hankook_RH06.jpg

Specs:
Speed Rating - Y
Treadware - 420
Traction - A
Temperature - A

www.eastcoasttires.co has them for $125.00 ea.

[TAKEDOWN]

Thanks for all your work RED!

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I'm running the Hankook Ventas RH06 255/55/18's on the rear of my MM.
I had the 295 combination recorded in the wiki article. I just added the 255 combination. Thanks

[red]

Thanks for all your work RED!
You're quite welcome!

[badroadrunner]

Hello, I have read and re read this post as I want to put steelies on for the winter. I have choosen General Grabbers uhp 225/70r16 for the rear and 235/60/r16 for the front. from what I read these should work without giving me any tc problems. Are these close enough in size or am I figuring this out all wrong. I think I understand the whole 35% thing as far as the outer limits are concerned.Great site by the way.

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Hello, I have read and re read this post as I want to put steelies on for the winter. I have choosen General Grabbers uhp 225/70r16 for the rear and 235/60/r16 for the front. from what I read these should work without giving me any tc problems. Are these close enough in size or am I figuring this out all wrong. I think I understand the whole 35% thing as far as the outer limits are concerned.Great site by the way.
Thanks! The 35% number is a conservative guestimate and applied to one way of calculating the difference. The tire combination you list is nearly spot on to the stock difference, so you should have no problems. At 60 MPH, you'll have only about -.4 MPH error (meaning, your speedo will show .4 MPH faster, which is negligible. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about snow tires, so I don't have a recommendation for good makes/models or sizes, etc.

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Just a thought, you may want to create a thread to ask other members what they've had successes with for snow tire make/model and sizes.

[Peace2Peep]

Hey! I know it is only for us 2003 guys but what about the nitto nt555 255 45 18 and 295 45 18 rears combo(of course widened rear wheels)

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Hey! I know it is only for us 2003 guys but what about the nitto nt555 255 45 18 and 295 45 18 rears combo(of course widened rear wheels)
I've added another to do. Thanks!

[4drpower]

question about tires... mine are severely screwed in the front and im looking for a cheap set.. I found a set for the front which are the hankook ventus ASRHO7's they are a 235/50/18 and the rears are a 255/55/18 can I go that big of a tire in the rear with factory wheels?

[Blackmobile]

question about tires... mine are severely screwed in the front and im looking for a cheap set.. I found a set for the front which are the hankook ventus ASRHO7's they are a 235/50/18 and the rears are a 255/55/18 can I go that big of a tire in the rear with factory wheels?

Yes you can.:)

[4drpower]

sweet what about moving up on the fronts to a 235/55/18 or a 245/55/18 would it look gay? or would it work with no tire rub?

[Blackmobile]

sweet what about moving up on the fronts to a 235/55/18 or a 245/55/18 would it look gay? or would it work with no tire rub?
I can't say, I still use the stock fronts just because of their availability from Tire Rack. On sale now for $89, sort of hard to beat front stockers.

[4drpower]

hmmm I hate them damn BFG'S

[Bradley G]

Going on my fifth set of OEM's @70K , plus the winter tires for the three worst months.
I have little to complain about, Had the first set of fronts replaced under warranty, for a shimmy.
No, they are not top of the line Michelins, but they are a decent value.
Great job on the tire info, red!

hmmm I hate them damn BFG'S

[4drpower]

holy mother of god, my buddy gave me a set of dunlop sp sport5000's and I put them up next to my front tire and it looks like a effin monster truck tire... its a 255/55/18 I think their off of a saab SUV haha thats prolly why

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I found a set for the front which are the hankook ventus ASRHO7's they are a 235/50/18 and the rears are a 255/55/18 can I go that big of a tire in the rear with factory wheels?
The RH07's come in 235/55R18, not 235/50R18 (link (http://www.hankooktireusa.com/product/RH07.pdf)). Accordingly, these are taller than the stock fronts, and at that, almost an inch. Considering this and the fact that the RH07s are V rated (softer sidewall), I'd recommend against them as they will have significantly more deflection than the stock tires and consequently poorer handling. Concerning the rears, the 255/55R18 size is a common substitute (see the Common Combinations section of the tire guide) that are not significantly larger; they're only about .4 inches (loaded) taller and less than .4 inches wider.

[Windsor58]

Great reference. Thanks for putting this together. One suggestion if you think there are enough of us out there, is a new section for widened rear wheels and the tires that will work on them. I see you have this on the to do list - Add Nitto 555 widened rims option (255 45 18 and 295 45 18). My suggestion would be to expand to list other options for widened wheels.

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Great reference. Thanks for putting this together. One suggestion if you think there are enough of us out there, is a new section for widened rear wheels and the tires that will work on them. I see you have this on the to do list - Add Nitto 555 widened rims option (255 45 18 and 295 45 18). My suggestion would be to expand to list other options for widened wheels.
Thanks! I have a list together as I have helped other members look into wider options and am in the market now myself, but have yet to put it up there. The Nitto 555s are in the offline list and I will capture them on the wiki in the near future. In the meantime, everyone is welcome to edit the article and add their discoveries.

[96DiamondVIII]

A couple of points since I'm scrambling to find replacement rears myself:

1. It looks like I'm going with the Kumho Ecsta STX. This will make 3 or 4 of us running those (myself, SWOOSH, centexmarauder, possibly others). Pending reports after some usage, perhaps they should be added to the database as a cost-effective all-season option? They are V speed rated, which is not ideal for Marauder use, but so are a few of the other tires on there. Otherwise all seems good.

2. The Hankook Ventus RH06 is, according to the fellow at my local tire shop, no longer in production (though there may still be some available depending on your area's warehousing situation, and they appear to still be available from eastcoasttire.com). He suggested that it was supplanted by the RH07, but I don't think that's the case--the AS RH07 seems to have a less aggressive design in both tread and sidewall, and is more of an OEM replacement tire judging by their web site.

3. Perhaps a note can be added for which tires are all-season and which are summer only? I would have gone with the Nitto 420S were it not for that pesky winter driving issue (though depending on the year, that may or may not be a factor here in the south...)

Thanks for putting together a great resource!

[Paul]

The day before yesterday I ordered from Tire Rack a pair of front OEM BFG KDWS in stock size 235/50 and a pair of General Grabber UHP in 255/55. Tire Rack refused to fulfill my order because of: combination of all season with summer tire compounds; different tread designs of asymmetrical vs. directional; and the differing tread pattern. All of these were described as making traction unpredictable, which they said is too dangerous for a performance car. I even tried to change the rear tire choice to another brand which was also asymmetrical tread design like the OEM fronts, but they said it was still a no-go. I placed my order over the internet, not by phone, and the combo was flagged and referred to their advisory area. I spoke with a guy named Roger. He was very helpful and friendly, even wnet to his supervisor, but at the end of the day they would not complete the order. They were worried about liability coming back to them if something bad happened.

They said I needed to order a set of four matching - all of which are more expensive of course.

I suppose if I had placed the order in separate pairs they would not have caught on? Just wanted to give you guys a heads up. I am now still deciding where to buy my tires/what size/tire combinations to use.

[Blackmobile]

The day before yesterday I ordered a pair of front OEM BFG KDWS in stock size 235/50 and a pair of General Grabber UHP in 255/55. Tire Rack refused to fulfill my order because of: combination of all season with summer tire compounds; different tread designs of asymmetrical vs. directional; and the differing tread pattern. All of these were described as making traction unpredictable, which they said is too dangerous for a performance car. I even tried to change the rear tire choice to another brand which was also asymmetrical tread design like the OEM fronts, but they said it was still a no-go. I placed my order over the internet, not by phone, and the combo was flagged and referred to their advisory area. I spoke with a guy named Roger. He was very helpful and friendly, even wnet to his supervisor, but at the end of the day they would not complete the order. They were worried about liability coming back to them if something bad happened.

They said I needed to order a set of four matching - all of which are more expensive of course.

I suppose if I had placed the order in separate pairs they would not have caught on? Just wanted to give you guys a heads up. I am now still deciding where to buy my tires/what size/tire combinations to use.

I think I have a way around that issue, PM sent!

Ed

[Mebot]

Quick question: some of the replacement 255/55 18 tires (Falken Ziex s/TZ-01 for example) are listed on some websites as "designed for SUV/Light truck"

I am copying and pasting this from Discount Tire Direct.com:
"Falken Tire created the Ziex S/TZ specifically for light trucks and SUVs. Not only does the tire feature the stylish tread pattern so you can achieve maximum look for your truck, but they've managed to create the tire with high load carrying capacities - ensuring your safety as well. Going beyond looks and safety, this tire is one you can count on for up to 50,000 miles. And those two wide circumferential grooves move the water out of the way quickly and efficiently, avoiding dangerous hydroplaning.
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/images/kotspacer.gif http://www.discounttiredirect.com/images/kotspacer.gif http://www.discounttiredirect.com/images/kotspacer.gifThe Falken S/TZ-01 are listed on your Tire Replacement Guide (which is a godsend, btw!) and I guess I want to make sure that it'd be OK to purchase these tires even if they're listed under SUV/Light truck category?

[SC Cheesehead]

Mebot, one of the key points to look at is speed rating. The tires may be listed as SUV/Light Truck, but that shouldn't be a problem as long as they have speed ratings in the "higher" letters (W, V, Z).

[Mebot]

Yeah that's one of the filters I've been using: making sure to have the speed rating be at V or higher.

The SUV/Light truck designation was just throwing me off. Thanks for the prompt response!

[JBcarnut]

Well, I'm a bit late to the tire replacement game, but Wednesday I had a pair of General Grabber UHP's put on the rear wheels, size P255/55R18. The Nitto 420s were within $1.00 per tire, but the salesman reccommended not mixing Z (OE fronts) and V (Nitto) speed ratings. I personally doubt this makes much difference, but decided to try the Generals and figure next time I'll need four tires and I can try the Nittos then. Only 60-70 miles on these so far, but they're quiet and look good. I'll get a better idea, as well as speedo/odo error next weekend when I head to Indy to visit relatives. Interesting that Tire Rack thinks this is a dangerous combo??. I've been up to 75 on the interstate a few times and haven't felt "unstable." The Generals have an XL load rating and thus a 51 psi max pressure, vs. 44psi max for the std. load G-forces. I'd been running 40psi all around on the BFGs w/ no noticeable difference in ride quality vs. 34-35psi.Will have to play around w/ the pressures a bit. The rear BFGs were almost down to the wear bars at 19,5xx miles, which is pretty dismal.

[knine]

Pulled the trigger on BLUE's new skins. Goodyear Eagle f1's 235 50 18 up front, 255 55 18 rear. Gotta love a tire that doesn't offer a wear warranty :burnout: :lol: Good price, 210 ea front 220 ea rear.

[04MRADR]

:cool: I went through two sets of BF Goodrich and nothing but heartache and headaches. The first set had premature inside edge wear on the front and the rears wore down the middle. Many of us complanined about this. The KDW2 were the noisiest tire I ever road on. My Marauder actually vibrated and the rear view mirror vibrated so bad everything looked blurry. I've had BF Goodrich on Grand Marquis I've owend in the past and got horrible results as well. I have been riding on the matched Googyear Eagles F1 with 235 in the front and 255 in the rear and very very important, I had my mechaic use the alignment recommended on our web site. The result is 30,000 miles and they are wearing as true as can be, even on the edges. The traction is incredible and handling even better, even without the suggested road force balancing. Only problem of course is they are ultra high performance tires so I work home on snow days since there is virtually no traction in snow, slush or ice. Its a no brainer for me to buy these again. :cool:



The Marauder replacement tire buying guide is nearly complete. Feel free to contribute directly or provide feedback to me here. Enjoy!

https://www.mymarauder.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tires

P.S. - I still need pictures! Particularly, I'd like close-ups of the tire placard and the different tires.

[knine]

......... and very very important, I had my mechaic use the alignment recommended on our web site. :cool:
Yup, had "Carfixers" specs put onto BLUE last fall.

[knine]

BLUE's new shoes went without a problem.

1.) Honest, I don't know what happened.....*cough cough*
2.) New shoes just-a-waitin'
3.) I wore off my wear bars. hehehehehehehe. The BFG send-off party went well.
4.) Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Good to get off your feet once in a while.

[W4LTD]

Where can I find the rear tires for sale? I had no luck searching online...

[knine]

Where can I find the rear tires for sale? I had no luck searching online...
BFG's not available until at least June, Goodyear just ended their sale, unless they renew it. :dunno:

[knine]

........... I have been riding on the matched Googyear Eagles F1 with 235 in the front and 255 in the rear ................ The result is 30,000 miles ............
:dunno: You're doing something wrong then :rolleyes:

[TiTo35]

Ty knine...I was looking for this...Why isnt this sticky...or is it?

[W4LTD]

It looks as if onlinetires.com does have the elusive BFGoodrich 245/55-18 although I am not sure what will happen when I actually go to "check-out", it may come up not in stock...:confused:

UPDATE: NOT IN STOCK

[W4LTD]

Quick question... I am ordering a full-size spare.... are the OEM wheels considered "chrome" or "polished"?

[knine]

Quick question... I am ordering a full-size spare.... are the OEM wheels considered "chrome" or "polished"?
Polished aluminum.

[knine]

Ty knine...I was looking for this...Why isnt this sticky...or is it?
It's been talked about a lot lately. For a replacement guide, see post #1 this thread.

[W4LTD]

Polished aluminum.

Thanks K9, I found one for $229 refurbished. I think I should pick it up at that price, seems like a good deal.

[00fxd]

OK I just found out that I need new rears and the BFG's are B.O'd till June. What would be the best replacements to use in conjunction with the correct BFG KDWS fronts? The 295/45-18's or the 255/55-18's and in what brand/style?
Thanks, Frank

[SC Cheesehead]

OK I just found out that I need new rears and the BFG's are B.O'd till June. What would be the best replacements to use in conjunction with the correct BFG KDWS fronts? The 295/45-18's or the 255/55-18's and in what brand/style?
Thanks, Frank

Check out this link, it has tons of info on sizes, combinations, etc.

https://www.mymarauder.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Speed rating and sidewall loading specs are important considerations. Lots of us have gone to 255/55/18 aftermarket tires in the rear with OEM BFG's in the front, but there are various combinations that will give you close to the same height ratio.

Nittos are a good choice, as are Falken, Hankook and Ventus. I'm running General Grabber UHP. Guys are running Goodyears as well, but they can be pricey.

[00fxd]

Hey Cheesehead, Thanks very much for the reply. That link is where I found those alternate tire sizes, just wasn't sure. I was swaying towards the 295's for the width but I think I will go with the 255's.
Regards, Frank.

[00fxd]

So I'm looking at the Goodyear Eagle ResponsEdge 255/55-18. Thats a V rated. Is that ok to use with the OEM BFG Z rated fronts?

[SC Cheesehead]

So I'm looking at the Goodyear Eagle ResponsEdge 255/55-18. Thats a V rated. Is that ok to use with the OEM BFG Z rated fronts?

I think Bluerauder's running that combination, you may want to PM him for details.

[00fxd]

Has anyone installed the suggested Ventus 295/45-18 on an completely original Marauder with stock wheels? It's gotta be pretty close to the fender.
Thanks, Frank

[DTRMiguel]

Would 285/50-18 be ok on an 04'? :help:

[mungce]

I decided to go with Hankook 235.50X18 on my rear 10" wheels. I am still running BFG OEMs on front with the 10" wheel, and have had no rubbing or other problems. The fronts still have plenty of meat on them, so I will match them up with some more Hankook's, if I find I like them. I never get any decent rear tire wear, but I have to climb a monster concrete hill to get in my garage, and rears simply get " pushed " more than fronts. I find the OEM BFGs are very loud, as well.

[00fxd]

I installed the Ventus295/45-18's on the rear. They fit fine but they do bulge. Where do you guys get Marauder wheels widened and how much?

[HWYSTR]

Ok guys, what am I missing here? I understand all want to run tires as close to the original size/height as possible, and on '04s there's a concern regarding traction control/ABS, but why not go to a slightly shorter tire? Aside from not quite filling the fender wells as much, there are a number of selections that allow proper front/rear differences to keep the TC/ABS happy. Look at this 'matched' tire size(s), and tell me what you all think:

Fronts = 245-40-18 Diameter = 25.7

Rears = 255-45-18 Diameter = 27.0

Front/Rear Difference = 1.3 (Exactly as the factory stagger)

Front/Rear overall diameter difference = -1.5"

With this combo, there are many matched sets available, and in an all-season performance tire. Has anyone TRIED going to a shorter tire? Less sidewall deflection, so the usual problems associated with the taller tires goes away....


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[Windsor58]

I decided to go with Hankook 235.50X18 on my rear 10" wheels. I am still running BFG OEMs on front with the 10" wheel, and have had no rubbing or other problems. The fronts still have plenty of meat on them, so I will match them up with some more Hankook's, if I find I like them. I never get any decent rear tire wear, but I have to climb a monster concrete hill to get in my garage, and rears simply get " pushed " more than fronts. I find the OEM BFGs are very loud, as well.

Did I read this right that you are running 10 inch wide rims on the front with no issues? If so, why are you still running OEMs on the front instead of something wider?
Just curious. I'd like to get the fronts widened so I can run more meat up there...

[Bradley G]

I went with 255/55/18 Dunlop SP5000 for the rear, and oem front.
They have been on a week, I have not launched on them yet.
I did get great service from this last set of BFG's.
The Dunlops were not much different in costs than the front oem's.
I got all four for less than 450.

[HWYSTR]

Did I read this right that you are running 10 inch wide rims on the front with no issues? If so, why are you still running OEMs on the front instead of something wider?
Just curious. I'd like to get the fronts widened so I can run more meat up there...


Maybe to maintain the aspect ratio spread to keep the TC/ABS happy... (FYI - The way I calculated it the spread comes out to 1.3" difference from front to rear height)....

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[mcb26]

Broke down and ordered tires this morning. had air showing on the left front.
Got 245/45 for front and 255/55 rear. $717 shipping and tax from tirerack.
+$40 rebate from Goodyear and $60 from the NHRA.
Guy on the phone said e-mail him and let him know how they worked out
he gets a lot of request from Marauder people looking for tires. :rolleyes:

[HWYSTR]

I'm guessing you're talking about the F1s? And you're talking 17s or 18s?

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[mcb26]

I'm guessing you're talking about the F1s? And you're talking 17s or 18s?

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No, response edge 18's

[HWYSTR]

Got it, thanks!

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[patt7]

I just placed an order for yokohams 255/55 18s. Has anybody used them?

[HWYSTR]

A520s? I've used them on other cars, they were fine. I ate them up pretty quick, but then again, my cars eat tires anyway!


Well, after lots of thinking, believe I'm going to go with the Nitto 555s, and just deal with it in the winter. (Fingers crossed)

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[Marauderjack]

I just put Kumho Ecsta 255/45-18's up front since I got sick of the Nittos and the inherent noise the acquire at about 15K miles!!!:argue:

The Kumho's are very quiet (for now) and I can move them side to side to help the wear and noise.....down the road!!:beer:

BTW, they handle GREAT as well.....just wish they had 295's for the rear!!:shake:

[Windsor58]

I just put Kumho Ecsta 255/45-18's up front since I got sick of the Nittos and the inherent noise the acquire at about 15K miles!!!:argue:
:shake:

Were the noisy Nittos the 555s?
Do you have any clearance issues with the 255/45-18's up front?

[Marauderjack]

Were the noisy Nittos the 555s?
Do you have any clearance issues with the 255/45-18's up front?

Yep...555's and they ALL get noisy...even the back ones!!:argue:

"One Way" tires are for performance and should be replaced frequently to PERFORM properly??:confused:

I at least like the side to side swap option with the Kumhos!!:beer:

No rubbing or clearance issues at all!!:shake:

BTW....Kumhos are made in KOREA!!!!!!:eek:

[Windsor58]

Thanks for the info

[HWYSTR]

I just replaced the Kuhmos on the daily driver with 555s, and even the kuhmos get a little noisy. I think all tires do after a period of time, so the way I'm thinking, since they're fairly inexpensive, just replace them when they do. My daily driver eats tires to the tune of me changing them about every 6 -10 months, and just accept it as a 'nature of the beast' kind of thing. On the Kuhmos, once they get some age, they start getting a little hard too, and lose traction, compared to when they're new.

After reading reviews of a number of tires, balance, vibration, noise, and traction are all factors once tires get some age/miles. Again, nature of the beast, figure I just have to deal with it.

On the Kuhmos, as I posted a few posts back, could use a shorter profile, as long as the diameter 'spread' is maintained, as to not whack out the TC/ABS.

When it comes to all season tires, it's a compromise. A compound that's happy in colder temps is going to sacrifice summer traction, and none of the M&S are really any 'good' in snow. So I figure, why bother?

.

[HWYSTR]

Ok, I figure I'd post some of the info/research I've been doing for replacement tires, maybe someone else will get some useful info out of it!

Factory Tires

Front - 235/50 - 27.2

Rear - 245/55 - 28.5

Separation = 1.3



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Nitto 420S (all-season, M+S)

255/50 Diameter = 27.9

255/55 28.9

Difference = +.7 Front, +.4 Rear , 1" separation

@ $620 set

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Nitto 555 (Summer Perf, though many use it all year)

255/45 27.0

265/50 28.44

Difference = -.2 Front, -.06 Rear, 1.44 Separation

@ $665 set


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Falken S/TZ01 (All -Season)

235/50 27.2

255/55 28.9

Difference = 0 Front, +.4 rear, 1.7 separation

@ $480 set

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Kuhmo Ecsta ASX (All-Season)

245/40 25.7

255/45 27

Difference = -1.5 Front, -1.5 Rear, 1.3 separation

@ $605 set

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Falken ZIEX ZE-512 (All-Season)

245/40 25.7

255/45 27

Difference = -1.5 Front, -1.5 Rear, 1.3 separation

@ $565 set


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Kuhmo Solus KH16

245/50 27.7

255/55 28.9

Difference = +.5 Front, +.4 Rear, 1.2 Separation


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40 Series, 18"

235 - 25.4

245 - 25.7

255 - 26.1

265 - 26.3

275 - 26.7

285 - 27.1

295 -



45 Series

235 - 26.4

245 - 26.7

255 - 27

265 -

275 - 27.7


50 Series

235 - 27.4

245 - 27.7

255 - 27.9

265 - 28.43

275 -


55 Series

235 - 28

245 - 28.5

255 - 28.9

265 -

275 - 29.9


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[Windsor58]

I don't know if this will come out, but here are some numbers I put together looking at Nittos. I could'nt find weights of the Nittos, though.
The closest match is with the 255 45 18 and 295 45 18 (on widened rims).
The last column is what most folks list - the diff in diameter.

Ok - that didn't work.
The summary is that for Nittos, the closest to the factory front to back ratio is 255 45 18 on the front and 295 45 18 on the back (on widened rims). This yields a 1.34 difference in diameters, compared to the factory 1.3.

[HWYSTR]

a 295/45 is 28.4 diameter, FYI, which is pretty darn close to the 28.5 factory rear diameter....


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[Ken1234]

My 2003 Marauder has the original size tires on it. I live in British Columbia Canada and soon there will be a new law in place that you have to have four winter tires on in the winter. Here is my delema Because the front and back are different sizes will it hurt the car to have all the same size winter tires . I have heard that it might do something to the Computer on the car. Would appreciate any help from the members out there. Thanks

[SC Cheesehead]

My 2003 Marauder has the original size tires on it. I live in British Columbia Canada and soon there will be a new law in place that you have to have four winter tires on in the winter. Here is my delema Because the front and back are different sizes will it hurt the car to have all the same size winter tires . I have heard that it might do something to the Computer on the car. Would appreciate any help from the members out there. Thanks

If your car has traction control and you run the same size tires in all four corners the T/C will "sense" the difference in rotating speeds between the front and rear tires (from the programed stock configuration) and will try to engage the T/C, which will affect your ability to accelerate (i.e. the harder you step on the gas, the slower you go). You can overcome this by just turning off the T/C whenever you start up the car.

What size rims and tires you looking at? A number of folks here have gone with 16" CVPI rims and snows.

[lifespeed]

I don't know if this will come out, but here are some numbers I put together looking at Nittos. I could'nt find weights of the Nittos, though.
The closest match is with the 255 45 18 and 295 45 18 (on widened rims).
The last column is what most folks list - the diff in diameter.

Ok - that didn't work.
The summary is that for Nittos, the closest to the factory front to back ratio is 255 45 18 on the front and 295 45 18 on the back (on widened rims). This yields a 1.34 difference in diameters, compared to the factory 1.3.


The height difference is not really what you want to look at, but instead the ratio of revolutions. Those sensor rings on the hubs aren't sensing tire height differences, you know.

So, 28.5/27.2 = 1.048, meaning 1.048 turns of the front for one revolution of the rear wheel.

[Windsor58]

My 2003 Marauder has the original size tires on it. I live in British Columbia Canada and soon there will be a new law in place that you have to have four winter tires on in the winter. Here is my delema Because the front and back are different sizes will it hurt the car to have all the same size winter tires . I have heard that it might do something to the Computer on the car. Would appreciate any help from the members out there. Thanks

I have the CVPI rims (all same size) with two different sizes of Pirelli snows on them. The taller rears keep the TC happy, so you can have the same size wheel all around and with different front and rear sizes you can keep TC functional.

[Windsor58]

The height difference is not really what you want to look at, but instead the ratio of revolutions. Those sensor rings on the hubs aren't sensing tire height differences, you know.

So, 28.5/27.2 = 1.048, meaning 1.048 turns of the front for one revolution of the rear wheel.

When I first built my spreadsheet (couldn't figure out how to get it to show up in the post), that is what I calculated (I actually calcualted both the ratio of revs per mile and the ratio of diameters to see if there was any difference and found that at least for the 555s, there is). A lot of folks here refer to the difference in the overall heigh of the tires, so that is what I posted. You are correct that the ratio is more accurate than the delta, but both can be used to get you in the ballpark of keeping the TC happy (especially given that we don't know the exact TC activation thresholds in the programming - we just know about where they are). I matched your 1.048 for the OEMs and 1.049-1.050 (spec'ed revs per mile and diameters yield slightly different ratios, but are still very close) for the Nitto 555s in the sizes I noted.

I actually just ordered the 555s today. Looking forward to seeing how they work out.

[Bluerauder]

When I first built my spreadsheet (couldn't figure out how to get it to show up in the post), that is what I calculated (I actually calcualted both the ratio of revs per mile and the ratio of diameters to see if there was any difference and found that at least for the 555s, there is). A lot of folks here refer to the difference in the overall heigh of the tires, so that is what I posted. You are correct that the ratio is more accurate than the delta, but both can be used to get you in the ballpark of keeping the TC happy (especially given that we don't know the exact TC activation thresholds in the programming - we just know about where they are). I matched your 1.048 for the OEMs and 1.049-1.050 (spec'ed revs per mile and diameters yield slightly different ratios, but are still very close) for the Nitto 555s in the sizes I noted.

I actually just ordered the 555s today. Looking forward to seeing how they work out.

I really don't understand this ^^^^ comment. There is a direct relationship between tire diameter, its circumference and Revs per Mile. If there is a difference somewhere, then one of the numbers is wrong. Otherwise, there is a factor somewhere to account for the fact that the tire is NOT PERFECTLY ROUND as it travels. The difference should be negligible.

Circumference = 3.14159 * diameter.

Revs/Mile = 5280 feet/Circumference (in feet)

[lifespeed]

I really don't understand this ^^^^ comment. There is a direct relationship between tire diameter, its circumference and Revs per Mile. If there is a difference somewhere, then one of the numbers is wrong. Otherwise, there is a factor somewhere to account for the fact that the tire is NOT PERFECTLY ROUND as it travels. The difference should be negligible.

Circumference = 3.14159 * radius.

Revs/Mile = 5280 feet/Circumference (in feet)

Right. Diameter, circumference, and revs per mile are all linearly related. The ratio between front and rear will be the same for any of these.

[Ken1234]

Thanks for the info. The Ford dealer here said i could go with four 17 inch tires and the tires are Toyo

[96DiamondVIII]

Been running the Kumho Ecsta STX 255/55-18's on the rears for about six months now, and other than extremely lousy snow performance in the one good snow we had this year, I've been happy with them.

However I noticed on Sunday that the fronts (OEM replacement, purchased 3/07), which have been looking a little suspect on the outer edge, are worn through to the cord on the inside edge (oops). Perhaps my inflation is a little off due to the uneven wear but I did get about 30K miles out of them. So I need new front tires...and when did the KDWs get so expensive? As recently as late last year, the 235/50-18 KDWs was less than $100 on tire rack, now they're $154. I can get them locally at Discount Tire for $150 each, or go with the Kumho Ecsta ASX for $146 per, which is competetive with tire rack. I've had reasonably good luck with the KDWs, no major complaints. Had the ASX on a previous car and liked them as well, and (stupid reason) it would look more matched since the rears are Kumhos also. Kumhos aren't known for wearing well though... Opinions on Ecsta ASX vs. BFG KDWs? (The STX doesn't come in a small enough size for the front)

[SC Cheesehead]

Sounds like you need the front end aligned to carfixer's specs:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/reviews/showcat.php/cat/19

[lifespeed]

So I need new front tires...and when did the KDWs get so expensive? As recently as late last year, the 235/50-18 KDWs was less than $100 on tire rack, now they're $154. I can get them locally at Discount Tire for $150 each, or go with the Kumho Ecsta ASX for $146 per, which is competetive with tire rack. I've had reasonably good luck with the KDWs, no major complaints. Had the ASX on a previous car and liked them as well, and (stupid reason) it would look more matched since the rears are Kumhos also. Kumhos aren't known for wearing well though... Opinions on Ecsta ASX vs. BFG KDWs? (The STX doesn't come in a small enough size for the front)

You won't find a tire with a more substantial sidewall than the BFG. Almost anything else will be a step down in steering response.

I've got 20K on my BFG KDWS fronts with a proper alignment. It looks like I'll probably get about 30K out of them, which is just fine for a performance tire. I did switch to Yokohoma ADVAN sport for the rear due to the BFG wear issues in that particular size only. I immediately noticed the softer sidewall. They are still a darn good tire, but there just aren't many that can compare to the BFG.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

If the Yokohama is the only tire you've compared to, that isn't really a good comparison. The Yokohamas in general, from the several models I have messed with, have soft squishy sidewalls. I have mounted up the Goodyear F1s on a couple Marauders and the sidewalls are very stiff.

I paid $60 each brand new on ebay, for my OEM replacement front KDWs, about 1.5 year ago. That was back when they were like $80 on tire rack. So yeah they have gone way the heck up in price.

[MENINBLK]

Red,

There are a few things I would like to see added to your guide...
I can offer some assistance on these too.

-Tire Width on an 8" wide wheel
-Speed ratings per tire - we can go to a lower rating, as long as we drive under the new rating
- PLUS/MINUS sizes (20"/19"/17" size wheels and tires)
- $$$ prices (tirerack has the most reasonable prices, with Costco coming in a close second)




Don't know what ratio you are using front to rear.
CIRCUMFERENCE between the two should be F:R = 1:1.05.


I am also looking into the difference betwen the CV/GM and the Marauder
to see if the SOFTWARE in the car is the ONLY difference.

If the 4 hub ABS relucters are the same in all cars,
then the ONLY difference is software.

If the hub relucters are different, the difference is HARDWARE.
Then getting a junked CV/GM axle and removing the reluctor
and transferring it to a Marauder axle will take care
of the rear for a Marauder, and we can use all 4 tires the same size.

There has to be a more permanent solution for this....
Maybe we will all have to write to Ford and complain about tire availability.
My local tire dealers want $1000 FOR ALL 4 TIRES mounted an balanced.
I can't afford to keep doing this every two years...

[GetMeMyStogie]

I notice the site that hosted this useful information, https://www.mymarauder.com , appears to be no longer active. Anyone know if it's moved, or what's happened to it?

[sailsmen]

Red, the member who hosted it disappeared. I contacted several people and no one knows what happened.
It was right after he S/C his MM. I hope he is ok.

[RacerX]

If anyone needs the original web version, I saved it to ms doc file and you can pm me if you'd like a copy. Will convert and upload at later date unless someone else would like to.

[houndsman07]

RacerX and all: Can someone PM me the list? I'm in CAM-country temporarily and I'm needing new rears to get back to Colorado. v/r mark

[MM03MOK]

Please see the attached PDF document in Post #1.

[houndsman07]

copy, found it. thanks. v/r mark

[96DiamondVIII]

It's that time yet again--not even 2 years after the last replacement and again I'm down to cord on the inner edge (really need to find a shop who will align to the proper specs, I've had 3 now tell me "can't be done.")

Any input on the Pirelli P-Zero Nero in the stock front size? The KDWS has gone comparatively stratospheric in price (lowest I'm seeing is $171 from Merchant's) and I can get the Pirellis for 148 each--I know it's only a $46 difference for the set but it merits consideration as I'm strapped for cash.

Also the Ecsta STX are still working like a champ on the back--considering the iffy tread life reputation for Kumho's, I'm impressed. Ecsta ASX could still be a contender but no one local seems to carry them and from Tire Rack after shipping they'd be almost as expensive as the BFG's.

[RacerX]

You may even want to check craigslist local to see if there's any new or lightly used tires. I just got 4 Nitto Invos (for smokin in the 1/4 this summer) for $80. How do you use them also? Do you like to run them hard? Straight line? Hard cornering? See rain much?

[prchrman]

I have an 03 wo/TC and I run 255/55/18 all the way around and have for about 70K miles with no problem, 2 sets on 2nd set. I say turn the TC off and relearn tire rotation = more tread wear.

[96DiamondVIII]

^I can appreciate the practical benefits of that, but I think it would look a little odd to have that much rubber in the front wheelwells, plus lose the front-rear rake.

^^I'll have to check craigslist and ebay I suppose. I'm just looking for a good all-around tire--I have fun when I drive, but I don't absolutely flog it or do any sort of competition. Plus the car is my DD so I average 15-18k miles per year. We get fairly frequent rain, and in the winter we usually see snow and ice a couple of times each, so I want to stick with all season--not the best winter car to begin with!

[prchrman]

^I can appreciate the practical benefits of that, but I think it would look a little odd to have that much rubber in the front wheelwells, plus lose the front-rear rake.

^^I'll have to check craigslist and ebay I suppose. I'm just looking for a good all-around tire--I have fun when I drive, but I don't absolutely flog it or do any sort of competition. Plus the car is my DD so I average 15-18k miles per year.


I get a lot of comments on how it looks better with the tire filling up the wheel well. Matter of fact when I was at MO's several guys said they liked the look. Also you do not lose the rake, maybe a little but it is still there. see below


http://72.35.72.219/~library/27085/IMG_3049.JPG

http://72.35.72.219/~library/27085/IMG_3048.JPG

[96DiamondVIII]

Taking a slightly different tack on it, what would I lose going with something like the Kumho Ecsta LX Platinum? Granted, it's "grand touring" instead of "ultra high performance" but come on -- it's a Marauder, not a Lotus. Unless I'm going to be sliding all over the road or something, I'd be willing to trade a bit of sharpness for longer wear--600 treadwear rating and a 60K mile warranty (no I don't expect to achieve that but more than 25K might be nice). The vital specs still seem within parameters (97 load rating, W speed rated). Thoughts?

[fastblackmerc]

Taking a slightly different tack on it, what would I lose going with something like the Kumho Ecsta LX Platinum? Granted, it's "grand touring" instead of "ultra high performance" but come on -- it's a Marauder, not a Lotus. Unless I'm going to be sliding all over the road or something, I'd be willing to trade a bit of sharpness for longer wear--600 treadwear rating and a 60K mile warranty (no I don't expect to achieve that but more than 25K might be nice). The vital specs still seem within parameters (97 load rating, W speed rated). Thoughts?

As long as you keep the speed rating or don't exceed a different rating you'll be OK.

[vtwoodsman]

TireRack has BFGoodRich 245/55R18 T/A SPEC tires for $82.00 each right now. They're Camaro OE tires. From the comments I've seen these could be a good substitute for the T/A KDWS that are $189.00 each.

[Bluerauder]

TireRack has BFGoodRich 245/55R18 T/A SPEC tires for $82.00 each right now. They're Camaro OE tires. From the comments I've seen these could be a good substitute for the T/A KDWS that are $189.00 each.

Here's a review of the Camaro OE tires ..... scroll down and read the Summary on Post #1 >>>> http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55895&highlight=worst

Here's an extract of SIBS review ....


I was unhappy with how the soft sidewalled 245/55/18 Camaro spec Radial TA caused my car to handle with these tires up front, so I relegated them to the rear, and put the good condition 235/50/18 KDWs back up front. The spongey sidewall of the Camaro spec tires is less objectionable on the rear than they were on the front. They look goofy because they do not have a bead recess to allow the sidewall to mount up nice and vertically, so they bulge out like a balloon. Traction is fine. I consider this configuration a fine low budget compromise if you really can't afford any other new tires for the back, but aesthetics, tire construction quality, and handling are not up to par with even the stock KDW so I would not othewise recommend these tires on the rear if you can afford a better option.


SUMMARY: This is not a quality tire that I would recommend for performance use. The low T speed rating is consistent with the wimpy thin beads on the tire and the soft, flexible sidewalls. The construction quality is very lacking compared to the same size KDWs OEM Marauder tire. The KDWs balances with very little weight on a good quality wheel, whereas the Radial TA took so much weight to balance it was almost un-useable. The sidewall of the Radial TA is far less reinforced than the KDWs and will negatively impact handling. For GM to have passed over the KDWs and used this spec Radial TA, they are really cutting corners on the V6 2010 camaro. The KDWs is a far superior tire in all aspects to this spec Radial TA.

I would use the Radial TA on the rear only, if you can't afford anything else. It will be safer than a bald KDWs.

Overall I am extremely disappointed in this spec Radial TA. It is a US made tire and although it had a lower speed rating than the Marauder should really use, there is no excuse for manufacturing flaws that cause such a poor end product.

[SC Cheesehead]

TireRack has BFGoodRich 245/55R18 T/A SPEC tires for $82.00 each right now. They're Camaro OE tires. From the comments I've seen these could be a good substitute for the T/A KDWS that are $189.00 each.

NOPE.

See Charlie's post and thread link above. ^^^^^

[LoneWolf]

Just got my 2004 Silver Birch Marauder about 2 weeks ago. The rear BFG's are worn to the wear bars in the middle w/ the inner and outer treads at about 6/32". The front BFG's are worn evenly to about 5-6/32". So, I definitely have to get the rears replaced and I'm not too keen on getting another set of BFG's @ $200 each what with their lousy wear performance. I've been looking at every possible tire combination and manufacturer out there trying to find something that will be a close approximate to the OEM set-up and work alright with the T/C. I'm kinda leaning toward General G-Max AS-03 (Ultra High Performance All-Season) which rank well in the Tire Rack survey and aren't too bad price-wise. I'm thinking of the size combination of: FR 235/50ZR18 and RR 235/55ZR18. There's about a 1:1.03 RPM ratio difference (1:1.05 OEM BFG). Does that combination sound do-able?

[screamn]

I get an error message when I attempt to open the PDF file in post #1.

Is it my puter/adobe program or did something happen to this file?????? :confused:

[RacerX]

What's the error message? I just opened and saved it to test and the link is A-OK.

[screamn]

What's the error message? I just opened and saved it to test and the link is A-OK.

It's working now. Must have been my crappy puter.

[SC Cheesehead]

I get an error message when I attempt to open the PDF file in post #1.

Is it my puter/adobe program or did something happen to this file?????? :confused:

I can't get it to open either.

[RF Overlord]

Works for me....

[RINGSIDE]

Tire rack has Firestone Wide Ovals in the correct size and speed rating.
Any thoughts.

[Ozark Marauder]

YOUR FIRST POST, WELCOME TO THE CLUB, POST UP SOME PICS, WHAT YA GOT?!!!!



Tire rack has Firestone Wide Ovals in the correct size and speed rating.
Any thoughts.

CLICK ON THIS LINK:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81858


OZ

[RINGSIDE]

Thanks for the information.
Will install tomorrow.

[RINGSIDE]

Tires are on .
Look and ride great.

[danrbarden]

The following matched front and rear Tire sets I found:

1. Cooper ZEON RS3A
Front: 235/50R18 97W BLK
Rear: 245/55R18 103W BLK
Speed Rating: W
Tread Wear: 40,000
UTQG: 500AA
Discount Tires Direct Price $738 for the set, with 4 certificates and 4 valve stems, free shipping.

2. Nitto Motivo
Front: 235/50ZR18XL101W BLK
Rear: 245/55ZR18 103W BLK
Speed rating: W
UTQG: 560 AA
Treadwear: 60,000
Discount Tires Direct Price $676.50 for the set, with 4 certificates and 4 valve stems, free shipping.

3. Firestone Firehawk Wideoval AS
Front Size: 235/50 R18
Rear Size: 245/55 R18
Speed Rating: W
UTQG: 400 AA
Treadwear: 40,000
At your local Firestone Store, you might have to special order. But $659.89 installed out the door.

I went with the Cooper's myself, they are designed for cross rotation and customer ratings were extremely high, usually 9.6/10. I am glad I did, they handle nice, ride quite, very smooth.....

I hope this help's, at least there's 3 more options for us.

Danny

[a_d_a_m]

Coopers are excellent tires. You will not be disappointed.

[Limited360]

I also stand behind cooper tires, I have run them on plenty of other cars I've owned and have been very happy with their results.

[MM2]

The following matched front and rear Tire sets I found:

1. Cooper ZEON RS3A
Front: 235/50R18 97W BLK
Rear: 245/55R18 103W BLK
Speed Rating: W
Tread Wear: 40,000
UTQG: 500AA
Discount Tires Direct Price $738 for the set, with 4 certificates and 4 valve stems, free shipping.

2. Nitto Motivo
Front: 235/50ZR18XL101W BLK
Rear: 245/55ZR18 103W BLK
Speed rating: W
UTQG: 560 AA
Treadwear: 60,000
Discount Tires Direct Price $676.50 for the set, with 4 certificates and 4 valve stems, free shipping.

3. Firestone Firehawk Wideoval AS
Front Size: 235/50 R18
Rear Size: 245/55 R18
Speed Rating: W
UTQG: 400 AA
Treadwear: 40,000
At your local Firestone Store, you might have to special order. But $659.89 installed out the door.

I went with the Cooper's myself, they are designed for cross rotation and customer ratings were extremely high, usually 9.6/10. I am glad I did, they handle nice, ride quite, very smooth.....

I hope this help's, at least there's 3 more options for us.

Danny

I need to replace my original rear tires that have only traveled 22,000 miles ,are the Coopers the exact same diameter ?
Thanks in advance for the answer

[RubberCtyRauder]

Yes, same size as oem

[BLACKMARAUDER04]

I'm running Hancook's Ventus ST 295 45r18v out back. On second set. First lasted 35,000 miles. Great dry weather tire. Ok on water.

In front I'm using Hancook's Evo V12 tire, 245/45ZR18.
Great tire. Very sticky

[88CuttyClassic]

I only got 12,000 out of my cooper rears. :)

[DrZ]

I notice this is an old post but a very important one for any 2003 and 2004 Mercury Marauder. Nitto makes P235/50-18 and P245/55-18 to meet or surpass OEM specs of the original BF Goodrich KDWS g-Force. Nitto Motivo are speed rated Z, M/S mud/snow and proper load rating as well as proper fit and long wear rating. Do your homework if your MM is a daily driver and high performance with no problems is your goal. Just my opinion-relax! I own two 2004 Mercury Marauders with many miles of daily driving all weather in NY state.

[jayro]

The following matched front and rear Tire sets I found:

1. Cooper ZEON RS3A
<snip>
3. Firestone Firehawk Wideoval AS
<snip>

Danny

Thanks Danny for the list, that seems to be about all that is currently available for OEM replacement.

QUESTION: Anyone have enough experience to pick the better tire between the Cooper or Firestone for wet road acceleration?

A couple times now, I have stepped out to pass on a 2-lane, and the kick-down broke the rears free. As we all know, once the posi-traction breaks free it wants to really skate out on us! With cars behind me, that gets a little too exciting for my taste. :bigcry:

My second priority would be road noise. TIA for the help!
Jay R O

[RubberCtyRauder]

Did you look at Nitto Motivo? Also avail in stock sizes. I liked the Coopers on my previous Marauder . I thought really good in the rain

[larryo340]

Ditto on the Coopers, I daily drive my Marauder and they are really good in the rain even towards the end of their tread life.

[jayro]

Thanks RubberCtyRauder and larryo340!!
My garage was nervous to stand behind the Nitto's (just no experience with them). The Coopers ($706) will run me an extra $263 over the Firestone's ($443), but I'm okay to pay that if I can pass with more confidence. We have a place in northern Wisconsin, we do that 3.5 hour run several times a year, a lot of it is 2-lane hi-way, a lot of camper + fishing boat passing.

(with that question answered, my german friend and I are now curious what a Weißbirke Plünderer is! google translation seemed boring)

Thanks again!
Jay R O

[RubberCtyRauder]

Weißbirke Plünderer = Silverbirch Marauder. I lived in Germantown, Mequon and West Bend, WI from 1991 to 2006

[Merc-O-matic]

For the quality...money...performance COOPER Zeon RS3 tires
will call your name hands down everytime.!


Gotta Love It!

[MENINBLK]

I've been rolling on Cooper Tires for 2 years now
and I won't wear anything else !!!

[daddyusmaximus]

I'd like to see a photo of the car with that size tire on it. I just got my Marauder and it came with small 235/50/18 winter tires on all 4 corners.



I have an 03 wo/TC and I run 255/55/18 all the way around and have for about 70K miles with no problem, 2 sets on 2nd set. I say turn the TC off and relearn tire rotation = more tread wear.

[fastblackmerc]

Hankooks FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

295/45's on the widened rears and 255/45's on the front.

[daddyusmaximus]

Hankooks FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

295/45's on the widened rears and 255/45's on the front.

Got a photo?

[MGDriver]

Weißbirke Plünderer = Silverbirch Marauder. I lived in Germantown, Mequon and West Bend, WI from 1991 to 2006

Quoting an old post I know but technically Marauder translates into Rumtreiber rather than Plünderer in German... both words are vaild translations but when refering to a car I think Rumtreiber makes more sense.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Rumtreiber seems soft for a Marauder. It means wanderer, layabout . Marauder is supposed to have a presence to it as if it plunders the other cars etc. this is all online definitions I use anyway. Not true local dialects

[MGDriver]

I've never heard it being referred to as Plünderer but I've had lots of people ask me why they would call it a Rumtreiber at car shows. Most people have never heard of the Marauder name nor the Mercury brand so a lot of them think it's just a Crown Victoria that I modified myself.

[Michael Uhl]

I need a new set of tires for my 2004 Marauder. Looking at the Yokohama YK740 GTX 245/50-18 front and 255/55-18 rear. Any comments?

[Bluerauder]

I need a new set of tires for my 2004 Marauder. Looking at the Yokohama YK740 GTX 245/50-18 front and 255/55-18 rear. Any comments?


Don't think that I know of anyone here on this board running Yokohama. Check out post #100 of this thread. According to "Stranger in the Black Sedan" who has lots of tire experience, he says that Yokohamas tend to have soft, squishy sidewalls. Don't know whether he had specific experience with your YK740 GTX tire. Check out the sidewalls before going final.

That said, your Yokohamas are rated for Truck/SUV. The load ratings of 109V rear and 100V fronts exceed the OEM BFG specs. Speed rating of V gets you to 149 MPH. Both load and speed ratings should be good. Your size combo of 255/55/18 (29.04 inch height) and 245/50/18 (27.65 inch height) gives you a 5% difference in rear/front sizes. This is the same difference in the OEMs so Traction Control should be good. Don't think your chosen tire is classed as a Performance tire.

As said earlier, sidewall stiffness may be an issue on this tire combo. Check it out more.

BTW .... I am running the Nitto Motivos in stock sizes and am quite happy.

[fastblackmerc]

Got a photo?

Front on the top.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u133/fastblackmerc/MM%20Mods/Tires/20141023_155844_zps841bd835.jp g (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/fastblackmerc/media/MM%20Mods/Tires/20141023_155844_zps841bd835.jp g.html)

Rears on widened rims.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u133/fastblackmerc/MM%20Mods/Tires/IM000977.jpg (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/fastblackmerc/media/MM%20Mods/Tires/IM000977.jpg.html)

[daddyusmaximus]

LOL. 10 months later...

[Michael Uhl]

Thanks for the feedback. How can I check out the sidewall stiffness?

I am running un-matched Nittos now - I'll check out the Motivos.

[Bluerauder]

Thanks for the feedback. How can I check out the sidewall stiffness?



I am running un-matched Nittos now - I'll check out the Motivos.


I thought that every tire had a sidewall stiffness rating. Guess I was wrong. It is not part of the information stamped on the tire itself. I couldn't find it on the Yokohama site. Not much info anywhere on the web that I could find.

You may just have to find and un mounted tire somewhere and just "poke" it. If you can collapse/bulge the sidewall with a 2-finger grip spanning the bead to the tread, it is probably too soft. A stiff sidewall will require a full hand grip and strength just to deform it a little. Compare that feel to a known performance tire (stiff) and a touring tire (soft). I am out of suggestions. Maybe someone else will chime in.

[Taemian]

First link In this sticky is now dead. Trying to find out what the percentage range is between front tires and rear tires ratio. Anyone?

[Ambitious1]

This may help:

You're looking at about a 3% difference:

https://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65265

https://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74044

[RubberCtyRauder]

3 to 5% range in dia.

[Bluerauder]

3 to 5% range in dia.


5% is the OEM difference. About 3 to 6.5% works to allow a small margin for wear. New fronts, old rears or vice Versa, for example.

[jaywish]

I see Cooper now has a new offering. Better performance then the RS3-A tires, per Cooper's site.

Cooper Zeon RS3-G1. An all season tire.

Tirerack shows a set @ $571 + delivery etc.

I need tires in the spring so I hope for some feedback afore then.
Thanks,
jay

[fastblackmerc]

Can't go wrong with Hankooks.

[Taemian]

Can't go wrong with Hankooks.

Does anyone have experience with a lower aspect tire?

The current gen Mustang GTs have (front) 255/40R19
(rear) 275/40R19.

I was thinking of trying out this size, 18s on the stock MM rim.

Thoughts/ideas? I've got widened rims out back.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Does anyone have experience with a lower aspect tire?

The current gen Mustang GTs have (front) 255/40R19
(rear) 275/40R19.

I was thinking of trying out this size, 18s on the stock MM rim.

Thoughts/ideas? I've got widened rims out back.





Traction control and maybe ABS wont like it..that's only a 2.3% size difference. front to rear..need 3-6%..front tire is fine as 255-40-19 converts directly to a 255-45-18 height and width. Many run 255-45-18 on front, I do.


The 275 -40- is too small..about half an inch taller and 5/8th wider than the 255-40. You would need a different rear size like a 295-40-19 which is close but a tad shorter but same width as the popular 295-45-18 widened stock wheels use

[jaywish]

Anybody try the Cooper Zeon RS3-G1's yet?

[03MERCMARAUDER]

Anybody try the Cooper Zeon RS3-G1's yet?


Have these in stock sizes on my 04. So far I like them. Gril well and are quiet on the highway

Joe

[jaywish]

Thanks Joe. I just ordered a set of the RS3-G1's. Should go on next Tuesday.

I try to buy American if I can find a good product and Cooper has been good to me. I really like the RS3-A's on the Lincoln. These propose to be a notch up.

There is also the General GMax AS-05 which is available in stock sizes.

[MENINBLK]

Taemian,

Just remember you are putting these on a Marauder, not a Mustang.
Potholes and Marauders don't like each other...
Rear tires need to have a +5% Circumference over the fronts.

[jaywish]

Well I have had the Cooper Zeon Rs3-G1's on for three months now. Maybe about 600 miles.

I like them. They feel right on the car. They are not loud nor are they brutally hard. They feel very competent in the turns. I have not pushed the car to its limits with these tires yet. I am a bit spirited in my driving style. No problem with hydroplaning.

I went from my second set of stock model BFG's to these at 33.5K miles. It would be nice if I got a bit more than 17K out of a set. Not too concerned though as age comes usually into play here. I have not gone from a new set of BFG's to a new set of Coopers but it felt good switching to these new rubbers from the worn but still legal BFG's.

[Taemian]

This is a great visual of what the tires would look like, as well as all the numbers including percentage difference.

I put fronts as Tire 1, rears as tire 2.

Easy peasey!

https://tiresize.com/calculator/

[Roadwarrior]

+1 on the Cooper RS3-G1 tires in the stock size. I had them for over 2 weeks & around 700 miles so far on the Marauder.

[Ozark Marauder]

How are the front Cooper tires wearing? Did you use car fixers alignment specs?

OZ

[Invective]

Same here with the Coopers.

[eclizotte]

What do you guys this of Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 vs Cooper Zeon Rs3-G1 stock sizes?

[Merc-O-matic]

Cooper tires....hands down.
Great tire & great value!