New Supercharger Intake (Pre-Lim Pix)

[Loco1234]

These are the two pix DR sent me of the new piping layout we worked out for the battery relocated (to trunk) cold air intake box with integral remote battery terminals. The second pic is of the post intercooler bypass/relief valve.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Engine/IMG_0710.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Engine/IMG_0709.jpg

[ImpalaSlayer]

what is the point?

[Zack]

Why would you put a bypass after the intercooler if you dont have to?
Makes ZERO sense to heat up the water in the intercooler system for no reason.
I should be a consultant.

[Loco1234]

post intercooler bypass will allow for more consistant intake temps.
it will cool the air that is being recirculated through tghe supercharger.
this will prevent air from being heated and reheated further without any cooling effect. Once the air gets reheated 2-3times without any cooling the intercooler will not be size to deal with that level of signifacantly temp increased air.
It will also allow the supercharger to sustain effieceny beyond where it would with a supercharger air inlet temp that were higher due to not being precooled.

Yes the water temp will increase more due to increased usage but that is the reason why this water-air intercooler system specs were found to be marginal when reviewed under these new heat loading condition.
therefore steps have and are being taken to increase the effectiveness of the water-air system to be used.
More on this to come....

[Loco1234]

This is the inlet piping from the cold air box to the supercharger that arrived from Dennis. One thing I noticed is that the supercharger bypass line is not located as per my sketch. The sketch showed it located on the bottm side of the metal elbow shown in the picture. I plan to modify this elbow to accomedate the bypass instead of using the one which is currently in the piping immediately following the MAF.
I believe if the bypass immediately after the MAF was used it would create turbulence and cause issuses with the MAF readings. I believe Dennis is planning to send me an 05 Mustang MAF w/ a MAF extended instead of the SCT 2800 he originally sent me...
Although Im not sure how much difference that will make...or what the differences are between the two...
Although the piping itself looks good and is sized correctly....I now need the Silcone gaskets and clamps.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/IMG_4776.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/IMG_4775.jpg

[Dennis Reinhart]

Why would you put a bypass after the intercooler if you dont have to?
Makes ZERO sense to heat up the water in the intercooler system for no reason.
I should be a consultant.


It is actualy a very smart idea, the reason why the the bypass is on the discharge of ine inner cooler is because the air leaving there has been cooled down by the water to air heat exchanger, by over 100 degrees cooler, Gary then dumps the bypassed air into the inlet of the superchargher, which in turn is at or very close to OAT, if you take the bypass and take it right off the supercharger before going through the inner cooler that bypassed air is raised over 100 degress which in turn will work the inner cooler harder than it needs to, so this is a very smart idea and he will gain RWT and RWH with this,

[Dennis Reinhart]

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/IMG_4776.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/IMG_4775.jpg
This design will be revised, the car that this was mocked up on had the huge grifin radiatior in it and you could not get the tight 90 deg elbow in the there, this is why the nipple is on the pipe that has the new slotted maf ellemnet, this nipple will not be used and this pipe will be remade, with out the nipple becuase I was afraid it would back was the maf, so Gary will have the air box on the passenger side where the battery normally was, so this is actualy a very good idea Gary came up with. So I sent Gary the tight 90, he will then tap that put a bung right in fron of the inlet of the SC for the cooler by pass air to be sucked in to the blower, wait till it is all painted and on the car, it will look good.

[Loco1234]

Ya Dennis we are back from the "Out of Town" trip both Sr & I were on and will be in touch this week. Everything is beginning to fall into place. I post new photos once everything is mocked up properly and powdercoated.

[Richy04]

What kind of welder are you guys using to weld those pipes, nice and neat. Just curious as I am looking for a MIG now for my garage. I have a small one now on a cart with the shielding gas and regulator, just wondering what you guys are using.. Tnx Richy

[MarauderMark]

Is this what i am getting too?

[Loco1234]

What kind of welder are you guys using to weld those pipes, nice and neat. Just curious as I am looking for a MIG now for my garage. I have a small one now on a cart with the shielding gas and regulator, just wondering what you guys are using.. Tnx Richy


Currently dennis has taken care of all the welding. Hopefully he'll jump in here with a good response for you.
He is making the piping based on the drawing I created in Autocad showing the piping intent. I have attached the piping drawing below. it has the modified PCV system. This is a hurdle that has yet to be overcome/coordinated with the piping mods/taps.
Please rotate the *.PDF -90degree's so you don't have to strain your necks.

[TooManyFords]

Why would you put a bypass after the intercooler if you dont have to?
Makes ZERO sense to heat up the water in the intercooler system for no reason.
I should be a consultant.
I have to agree with Zack on this one. Post intercooler will ALWAY be above ambient temps regardless so it should not be recycled. Ever.

Someone needs to read up on the laws of thermodynamics. They're called laws for a reason.
<grin!>

John

[Zack]

This setup will get you an 11.62 @116mph with 10psi and a stock motor.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/0/4/Marauder002.jpg

[Loco1234]

I have to agree with Zack on this one. Post intercooler will ALWAY be above ambient temps regardless so it should not be recycled. Ever.

Someone needs to read up on the laws of thermodynamics. They're called laws for a reason.
<grin!>

John


Awh forget the 1320...
We are talking real world and real world engineering using the thermodynamics to the advantage....
Think about it a lil bit... It may come to you....
By the way you will never find a large chiller plant designed to allow such major temperature increses in the system.
The idea is to maintain and not to allow such varied temps to enter your engine. The computer will learn to detune it since the temps will not be as reliable....
All you have to do is properly size the intercooler and pump for constant use instead of occasional.
...and the supercharger can always work more efficiently with the constantly cooler air... so will your engine....
ask any Mechincal or even better Controls Instrumentation Engineer.
you may just hear a simliar response...because WE design to that standard daily all across the World.

(not trying to sound rude... just clearing up the facts)

[Loco1234]

Here is a link to some more pix of this intake system I have taken....
http://s120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/

I have also linked some examples below:
Both systems (new & old)
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/Picture-001.jpg
Old systems
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/Picture-002.jpg
New systems
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/Picture-005.jpg
intercooler to upper intake piece w/ bypass
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/Picture-006.jpg

[Loco1234]

COuple sample photos:
MAF & current bypass location... (bypass will be moved to directly below supercharger elbow...
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/Picture-032.jpg
Complete PRE supercharger system... w/o bypass properly relocated yet...
(PCV Breather will be where Bypass connection currently is...)
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/Picture-021.jpg
Bypass piping....(will need to be shorter by about 4" to connect to new "bottom of supercharger elbow location")
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Loco4321/Supercharger%20Piping/Picture-017.jpg