Blackmobile blown motor fund...

[magindat]

080613 The blown motor thread. (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45154)
080711 The Rebuild Begins. (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=633839#post63 3839)

We've done it before. Let's do it again.

Let me tell you about Ed.

He made 3 trips from Ft. Lauderdale to Ft. Pierce (2hrs) for FREE to help install a supercharger.
He made a trip from Ft. Lauderdale to Vero and pulled his best friend's wrecked Marauder out on the way to help install my supercharger 'til 1AM - again FREE.
He stood by ALL DAY for a dyno session and took my better half to lunch, since I couldn't leave.
He helped on PC#25 - free.
He's raising a family - a family he took on.
He's DONATED over 100 pieces of his work to raffles and events.
He works his arse off and would give the shirt off his back.

I don't think there's an SSM member south of Orlando Ed hasn't done something for.

Let's help him out.

I'm in for the first 100 bucks. Paypal magindat@gmail.com or send a check to Rich Williams, 5414 Barbados Square, Vero Beach FL 32967. I'll collect it all together and hand it to Ed in one lump sum.

You've had our backs, Ed. Now we got yours!

[magindat]

I'll edit this as we go...

Magindat - $100
MarauderTJA - $200
TooManyFords - $100
arejayesss - $100
Tom Doan - $100
hotrauder - $100
Zack - $100
RoyLPita - $25
Cobra25 - $100
John Nero - $100
Leslie - $75
TheDonk - $100
JohnKuhn (personal - not from the business) - $100
Local Boy - $100
ImpalaSlayer - $50
Jimimac43 - $100
Greggash - $200
MillsMarauder - $100
Not5-0 - $100
CruzTaker - $100
Blackened300A - $100
Rick-n-Miami - $100
KillJoy - $100
pat - $100
Bad Merc - $100
StevenJ - $50
SSM Club - $200 - Courtesy of the SSM 'mamagement'.
Peace2Peep - $100
Mike - $100
Juno - $100
Glenn - $100
Ghost03 - $100
Mest30 - $30
D-Rock - $100
Crownvic.net's Tim E (T.Narly) - $20
Crownvic.net's Frank A (Gordonfan24) - $20
Marauding4life - $50
cvpiftw - $7
Raudermaster - $100
1stMerc - $100
MMman - $100
Iowa Rick - $50
imorb1994 - $50
_____________

Total - $3927

$??? have pledged, but I don't know the amount. All you guys rock!

[MarauderTJA]

Count me in:up:, a check for $200.00 is on the way.

[magindat]

Count me in:up:, a check for $200.00 is on the way.

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin about!!!!

[TooManyFords]

I'm in for $100 too.

Hope this helps!

[magindat]

That was the fastest sticky in history!

When you read this thread, PM everyone you think will help and let's make sure they don't miss it.

It really gets to me how this site can pull together when there's a need... :rolleyes:

[magindat]

I'm in for $100 too.

Hope this helps!

Sincere thanks, John. That's very generous.

[arejayesss]

What a great idea Rich. I could see the sadness in his eyes this past Friday at the tower shops. I'm in for $100.00 too! Ed is one of the best guys in our group. I will send out a check tomorrow.

[Tom Doan]

money sent for a real motor!

[Zack]

I will gladly contribute when I see a brand new engine in a crate in his garage.
Until then, I will NOT donate a dime to a doomed 'Band-Aid' Project.

Sorry. Im sure many understand my point but will not post in agreement.

[KillJoy]

I will not give money for a Band-Aid. The situation will re-occur in not-to-long. A T-Trim on a STOCK MARAUDER ENGINE is not a good idea, IMO. And repairing a 130K motor w/ a new piston and rings is a waste of MY money.

If the plans change, let me know.

:up:

KillJoy

[magindat]

I will gladly contribute when I see a brand new engine in a crate in his garage.
Until then, I will NOT donate a dime to a doomed 'Band-Aid' Project.

Sorry. Im sure many understand my point but will not post in agreement.


I will not give money for a Band-Aid. The situation will re-occur in not-to-long. A T-Trim on a STOCK MARAUDER ENGINE is not a good idea, IMO. And repairing a 130K motor w/ a new piston and rings is a waste of MY money.

If the plans change, let me know.

:up:

KillJoy

With your help, they could change. Check the new totals...

While I understand and agree with both of you, this is more of a 'get the bread winner to work' than progress on mods. However, with all this help, it could be BOTH!!! Please reconsider for a few $$$.

As for the rest of you. I can't keep up with the replies, but believe me, I WILL catch up.

I'm getting chills and tearing up a little at the dedication of the folks on this site. Even Zack and Steve with their point of view are showing they care.

You guys ROCK!

[magindat]

money sent for a real motor!

Tom, thanks. I'll include you above.

[Zack]

I just got another PM on Mach1Registry from the Ford Parts guru.

$4256 for an Aluminator DELIVERED

In stock, no waiting.

I will contribute to this!

[magindat]

I just got another PM on Mach1Registry from the Ford Parts guru.

$4256 for an Aluminator DELIVERED

In stock, no waiting.

I will contribute to this!

In that case, we are about 15% there.

Help me out here with the math:
New Aluminator 4256
less 800 for the heads = 3456 (is that money realistic at 130K?)
less 600 bucks or so here do far = 2856
less yours and Steve's would-be contributions = ??
less what else can he sell - realistically = ??

Perhaps if we can get this math right, the aluminator could be a REAL possibility.

Zack, I know you are doing research to help and I know where you are coming from - even if no one else does. In that spirit, help me out with this math.

Thanx
Rich

[Hotrauder]

Thanks for the heads up Rich. I had no idea. I will help and a check is in the mail. I don't care if he is buying bird houses with the money. Ed deserves and has earned our support many times over and he is a friend in need of a boost. Those who would decide for Ed how that boost should be used perhaps don't get the point of this. This is not a buy Ed a new engine effort..it is a friend who needs transportation for his family and to maintain his ability to support that family. If you can't get behind that...go piss up a rope. Dennis

[Zack]

...money sent in confidence it will be done the right way, the 1st time :up:

[magindat]

...money sent in confidence it will be done the right way, the 1st time :up:

Zack, you are the man. :beer:

...and I mean that with the utmost respect and tear in my eye!!!! :up:

[Cobra25]

I'm in too, I'll send you a check for $100 to help out.

[magindat]

I'm in too, I'll send you a check for $100 to help out.

Thank you Zoltan.

I just spoke to Ed on the phone. He said he's 'choked-up' from the outpouring of help.

I can't wait to see this through. Ed deserves every penny and every ounce of effort.

My PM box and phone have been going non-stop this morning. Thank you all.

:beer: (this smiley seems woefully inadequate)

[John Nero]

count me in for a 100.00 i will send a check

[magindat]

Ed, Leslie decided she wants to help.

She's in for $75. This is her, independantly - not me. She says 'Ed's one of the good ones'.

[magindat]

Thank you, Michael.

[Zack]

Just got a message from the Vendor of the Aluminator. (Joe)
I sent him a link to this thread and he's floored by the genorosity of this site.
In lieu of that, he knocked the price down to $4200 for Ed. :beer:


He's a hell of a good guy and will be looking into becoming a vendor here!

[Zack]

If you buy the Aluminator, I will send an 8 bolt FlexPlate no charge.

[magindat]

Just got a message from the Vendor of the Aluminator. (Joe)
I sent him a link to this thread and he's floored by the genorosity of this site.
In lieu of that, he knocked the price down to $4200 for Ed. :beer:


He's a hell of a good guy and will be looking into becoming a vendor here!

Thank you again, Zack for your time and research. Perhaps the 'pot' will grow to a point that Ed can afford it.

That's very generous of your vendor friend. Thank you.

[magindat]

Aluminator = 4200
less sell heads @ 800 = 3400
less this fund @ 1100 = 2400

Looks like we are getting toward the realm of possibility.

Zack, what his stock block worth? Anything else he can sell?

[Blackmobile]

Hey, Guys and Gals, Thank you all for the help. As Rich said, I'm having a bit of trouble seeing though these watery eyes of mine. I really didn't see a response like this coming. What I thought was friendship can't hold a candle to what I feel here. I can only hope I can do as much to repay the kindness that has been shown to me here today. :bows:

Sunshine state Marauders - MercuryMarauder.net

You guys ROCK

Oh and Zack, keep it up and we'll get you down here to help!

Once down here you might not want to leave, which will scare a lot of people. :depress: LOL

What ever will be done, it will be done right, well right enough to bump you down a spot on the time slip page. :D

[Pops]

Hey Ed I plan going up a couple of notches above you!

[magindat]

If you buy the Aluminator, I will send an 8 bolt FlexPlate no charge.

Nice. See post above. Any info you could add?

[magindat]

Hey Ed I plan going up a couple of notches above you!

If you can, John, help him compete. My paypal account is waiting to hear from you!
:beer:

[Pops]

It will be coming but not thru pay pal! Plus I do not want him to get to fast as he already moved me down the list!

[Zack]

A used block can get about $200 without going through a hassle selling it.

[magindat]

Hey, Guys and Gals, Thank you all for the help. As Rich said, I'm having a bit of trouble seeing though these watery eyes of mine. I really didn't see a response like this coming. What I thought was friendship can't hold a candle to what I feel here. I can only hope I can do as much to repay the kindness that has been shown to me here today. :bows:

Sunshine state Marauders - MercuryMarauder.net

You guys ROCK

Oh and Zack, keep it up and we'll get you down here to help!

Once down here you might not want to leave, which will scare a lot of people. :depress: LOL

What ever will be done, it will be done right, well right enough to bump you down a spot on the time slip page. :D

Ed, I didn't see it coming either. I put it out there and hoped - for your sake.

As much as we've been friendly competitors, nothing would make me happier right now than to see your tail-lights in the other lane at the track. Drive there, run it, and drive home.

For many of us, our hobby also happens to be our means to a livelyhood. It's a tough tightrope to walk - and sometimes it breaks. I am sincerely impressed and taken aback at the outpouring shown here - and in such a short period of time.

:bows:

[magindat]

It will be coming but not thru pay pal! Plus I do not want him to get to fast as he already moved me down the list!

I knew you'd be there!!! Awesome!

That Aluminator just might be in his future.

[magindat]

Aluminator = 4200
less sell heads @ 800 = 3400
less this fund @ 1100 = 2400
less block sale @ 200 = 2200


A used block can get about $200 without going through a hassle selling it.

[Pops]

Aluminator = 4200
less sell heads @ 800 = 3400
less this fund @ 1100 = 2400
less block sale @ 200 = 2200

Plus Ed standing on the street corner selling himself! Priceless! :lol:

[Blackmobile]

A used block can get about $200 without going through a hassle selling it.

It might do better sitting here on the site for the next unlucky member who windows their block and wants to rebuild it. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who believes they can rebuild an engine.

[Blackmobile]

Plus Ed standing on the street corner selling himself! Priceless! :lol:

Please I don't want the visual of an old silver fox taking me home for the night. Is there a draft I just got a shiver.

[magindat]

Local Boy just PM'ed. He's in for $100.

He sends you a big 'ol ALOHA, Ed!

[Pops]

ED not only old, but BLIND!

[magindat]

John Kuhn just called. He's in for $100 from his personal funds.

[magindat]

We stand at $1275+.

What are we gonna do, Ed?

[Local Boy]

Hey ED,

Despite the fact that we have never met...I would like to help...

From what I understand...You have always been supportive and generous in your willingness to help others...

I commend you for that...and stand beside you, should there be anything more I can do to help...

Check ($100) will hit the mail today, when I get home from work...

Good Luck, my Brutha...

ALOHA

[Blackmobile]

We stand at $1275+.

What are we gonna do, Ed?

Not sure yet, but when I get my jaw up off the floor I'll let you know.


Hey ED,

Despite the fact that we have never met...I would like to help...

From what I understand...You have always been supportive and generous in your willingness to help others...

I commend you for that...and stand beside you, should there be anything more I can do to help...

Check ($100) will hit the mail today, when I get home from work...

Good Luck, my Brutha...

ALOHA

You've already helped, I have a cooling fan earmarked for installation right behind the DS headlight. Thanks Bro..

[magindat]

Well, all the advice I get is to do a complete motor. Everyone I've spoken with and PM'ed with says swapping heads is gonna bring heartache.

[ImpalaSlayer]

just transfered some money Rich/Ed its all i can do for now

[magindat]

just transfered some money Rich/Ed its all i can do for now

Wow. Thank you, David!

[Local Boy]

Right-on ED!!!

Glad you like to idea...

ALOHA

[Zack]

Bad news.....

There is a mix up in all this.
$4200 is for a shortblock only.

Im not completely at fault here, but really hate to bear this news, as I feel somewhat responsible for the hype.

Upsetting, but a reality nonetheless.

Im gonna hunt down a forged, running engine.

[magindat]

Im gonna hunt down a forged, running engine.

Thank you, Zack. Go forth with at least $1325 in mind, so far!!!

Your efforts are top notch on this, Zack. Thanx.

Ed, I hope you're OK with all this research and stuff going on. I'm sure the community will come up with a couple options and will help you pick the best one for you.

[Zack]

http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1030099

[Rocknthehawk]

If you're looking for a complete replacement, We've got one here where i work. It's from an 03, 97K miles on it, They're asking $2160. I can talk to a salesperson and see if we can get that price lower if you're interested.

[Zack]

http://www.karkraft.com/new_&_used_engines.htm

[Blackmobile]

http://www.karkraft.com/new_&_used_engines.htm


Yeah, I was checking out the Marauder enging with 8.6k miles for 3.5k

[Blackmobile]

Well, all the advice I get is to do a complete motor. Everyone I've spoken with and PM'ed with says swapping heads is gonna bring heartache.

I hear ya, one day I'm going into these engines anyhow, so now is as good a time as any. I can't see the benefit of avoiding this process, who knows, it might not be a headache for me. Bring on a short block.

[magindat]

Yeah, I was checking out the Marauder enging with 8.6k miles for 3.5k

That's a good idea.

With selling your heads, and the money here, you're only about $1400 away from it.

There has been enough cash already transferred to PayPal, that I could put a deposit on it if you want it.

[magindat]

Bring on a short block.

Is this place good?
http://www.coasthigh.com/Assemblies/ShortBlocks2.htm

[magindat]

I'm gonna go see if anyone is home at Boss330 (Al Pappito).

Ed, I'll call ya if it sounds good.

LMK if you find anything and need me to throw a deposit on it!!!!

[Blackmobile]

Is this place good?
http://www.coasthigh.com/Assemblies/ShortBlocks2.htm

good selecting, but don't know the difference between flat top or dish top. The street fighter looks good but they rate it at 450 hp. My concerns are, if they are talking at the crank HP, if so mine was rated well above that. Then I'd look into pro street which is further in the future.

[Zack]

Yeah, I was checking out the Marauder enging with 8.6k miles for 3.5k

This is what you need:
2003 4.6 32valve Aviator Engine

16,346 miles

$2895.00 sku# KK12090
http://www.karkraft.com/New%20Parts%20689.jpg

Swap timing covers and accessories...same engine!

I think Fordnut has a Brand New crate motor for sale as well.

[Blackmobile]

This is what you need:
2003 4.6 32valve Aviator Engine

16,346 miles

$2895.00 sku# KK12090
http://www.karkraft.com/New%20Parts%20689.jpg

Swap timing covers and accessories...same engine!

I think Fordnut has a Brand New crate motor for sale as well.

As used engines go this is OK, but i'd feel more comfortable totally rebuilding mine from the bottom up and knowing how it handles the HP rather than a used one and hoping it can handle it. But a brand new create motor from Fordnut...:drool:

[Zack]

As used engines go this is OK, but i'd feel more comfortable totally rebuilding mine from the bottom up and knowing how it handles the HP rather than a used one and hoping it can handle it. But a brand new create motor from Fordnut...:drool:

My $100 feels a LOT better now :burnout:

[MarauderTJA]

Go forged why the motor is down and coming out. All you need is CP Pistons and Manley Rods, use your stock crank along with bearings etc. Most economical way out as well as going forged. Let Rich contact Al Papitto to see what we can work out for you.

[Jimimac43]

I don't know if I met Ed at the picnic this year. But if this many people are in, Then I'm in for a 100.00. Sent thru pay pal Rich. I still need to send you my head rests.

[greggash]

ok,

I am in for $200

Payment sent

[Mills Marauder]

count me in for $ 100 dollars rich, i will send the check out friday.

[magindat]

Go forged why the motor is down and coming out. All you need is CP Pistons and Manley Rods, use your stock crank along with bearings etc. Most economical way out as well as going forged. Let Rich contact Al Papitto to see what we can work out for you.

Spent about an hour with Al and got about a decade worth of education. WOW. I'll tell Ed the details by phone. Tom, I know why your sprockets broke. Al figured it out.

[magindat]

I don't know if I met Ed at the picnic this year. But if this many people are in, Then I'm in for a 100.00. Sent thru pay pal Rich. I still need to send you my head rests.

Thank you.

Send them any time.

[magindat]

ok,

I am in for $200

Payment sent

I knew you would not be able to leave this one alone.

Thank you.

[magindat]

count me in for $ 100 dollars rich, i will send the check out friday.

Thank you, JJ.

[John Nero]

DO YOU FEEL THE LOVE
this is what this place is all about

[magindat]

DO YOU FEEL THE LOVE
this is what this place is all about

Yes, over $1725 worth. Amazing. Flat out amazing.

:bows::bows::bows::bows::bows: :bows::bows::bows::bows::bows:

[magindat]

Ed, $825 is available right now in PayPal if you need a deposit paid.

For those who ponied up, thanx again.

We're still doing homework, so if you can, send a few.

[Zack]

We made it to the Mach1Registry :up:
...this just might be an example for the ENTIRE internet :eek:

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1012054&posted=1#post1012054

[magindat]

We made it to the Mach1Registry :up:
...this just might be an example for the ENTIRE internet :eek:

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1012054&posted=1#post1012054

Thank you, Zack.

[Blackened300a]

I have never met the guy nor have I been to Florida in years but as a proud member of the collective, I shall help a fellow Marauder owner out and send $100 for the engine fund.

Follow the advice and get the engine done right!!

[Zack]

I have a stock crank I can send down, as long as you will be using forged rods and pistons.

[Blackmobile]

I have a stock crank I can send down, as long as you will be using forged rods and pistons.

My crank doesn't appear to be damaged but we will know more once we open this on up. But you don't think Forged pistons & rods wouldn't break a stock crank?

[CRUZTAKER]

Well...this site helped me when my motor went south, and I said I would do the same if the opportunity arose to help someone else.

Good luck Ed, and get it doNe right man!

$100 paypal sent BOOYA!!!

[Blackmobile]

Well...this site helped me when my motor went south, and I said I would do the same if the opportunity arose to help someone else.

Good luck Ed, and get it dome right man!

$100 paypal sent BOOYA!!!

Thanks Man, and I'll be all over the next one this happens to. But I still have to take this apart, I can't help it, I have to know.

[magindat]

Well...this site helped me when my motor went south, and I said I would do the same if the opportunity arose to help someone else.

Good luck Ed, and get it dome right man!

$100 paypal sent BOOYA!!!

Thank you, Barry!

[magindat]

I have never met the guy nor have I been to Florida in years but as a proud member of the collective, I shall help a fellow Marauder owner out and send $100 for the engine fund.

Follow the advice and get the engine done right!!

Awesome. Thank you, Paul!

[magindat]

I'm assuming the 100 I got from RG was Rick-n-Miami. Thank you.

Steve, thank you. It means a lot from you.

[magindat]

We are at $2325.

That's halfway to a fully forged rebuild by Al Papito.

Words can't express how I feel about the response and support of Ed, and your trust in me to help him with this.

Thank you is too weak.

[Pat]

Rich, I sent an e-mail to the address in post #1 pledging $100.00 toward this fund. Check will be in the mail on the 1st.

Hope this will be one of several from the North Texas Marauders.

Regards,

[magindat]

Rich, I sent an e-mail to the address in post #1 pledging $100.00 toward this fund. Check will be in the mail on the 1st.

Hope this will be one of several from the North Texas Marauders.

Regards,

Thank you, Pat. I'll add it.

[magindat]

Kenny just PM'ed. BAD MERC fka silver2004marauder is in for $100.

Thanx, Kenny!

[magindat]

Dollars = 2525
Views = 1255
Posts = 88
Pledges = 25
Hours we've been at this = 12
Other sites following this = 1

Getting Ed back on the road = priceless

Simply unbelievable. I'd llike to stay and keep the fires lit, but it's family time. I'll pick this back up at 7 am tomorrow.

Thank you all, who have viewed, pledged, replied, or advised. All the input is welcome and constructive.

Goodnight.
Rich

[BAD MERC]

I think it's an amazing show of friendship and loyalty to fellow brothers. I am proud to be a part of it!!

[MarauderTJA]

This is exactly why this site is absolutely awesome:D. Members that care and support other members who are down and help them back on their feet. I am proud to be a member of this site and love the people who are here.:banana:

[MarauderTJA]

My crank doesn't appear to be damaged but we will know more once we open this on up. But you don't think Forged pistons & rods wouldn't break a stock crank?

I cannot find anywhere that our crankshafts will not hold up or have broken. Maybe if you are putting more than 1000 RWHP to the ground......:eek:

[ImpalaSlayer]

i just posted this up in a local mustang and mussle ford fourm

www.midatlanticstangs.org

[Peace2Peep]

I'm in on this one($100)...just sounds like a GOOD thing to do! Thanks for Being a source of Hope for so many people guys...I've never been more in awe of a site... God bless you all! Even you Kenny! Ha! Love you man!

Don't know you Ed, but I'd like to meet ya some day, sound like a fine gentleman!

PEACE!

[BAD MERC]

I'm in on this one($100)...just sounds like a GOOD thing to do! Thanks for Being a source of Hope for so many people guys...I've never been more in awe of a site... God bless you all! Even you Kenny! Ha! Love you man!

Don't know you Ed, but I'd like to meet ya some day, sound like a fine gentleman!

PEACE!



Hey Allen - I will be in your neck of the woods this weekend in Orange City. Anyone that lives nearby - lets all get together for a Saturday AM breakfast someplace in the middle.

[Mike]

I've learned a lot from this site and met some great people and it's nice to hear that people out there will help others that they have never met, so I've sent my $100 via PayPal. Good luck :beer:

[Peace2Peep]

Hey Allen - I will be in your neck of the woods this weekend in Orange City. Anyone that lives nearby - lets all get together for a Saturday AM breakfast someplace in the middle.


Dude! That stinks! I mean...its great that you're coming to Orange City, but it's bad that I'm in Alaska with my wife running a youth camp! My sister is home this weekend and she's single(let her tell you the story) welcome to the family! Hee Hee Ha Ha!

BTW She's got my car...see if you can fix my install I need some professional advice...I'm still saving my excursion for you!

[Blackmobile]

Dude! That stinks! I mean...its great that you're coming to Orange City, but it's bad that I'm in Alaska with my wife running a youth camp! My sister is home this weekend and she's single(let her tell you the story) welcome to the family! Hee Hee Ha Ha!

BTW She's got my car...see if you can fix my install I need some professional advice...I'm still saving my excursion for you!

You need something installed? Sounds like a trip is in order. Down here we'll use any excuse to get out of the house. Oh I forgot, I'm a pedestrian at the moment. What the hey, my thumb works.:D

[magindat]

I'm in on this one($100)...just sounds like a GOOD thing to do! Thanks for Being a source of Hope for so many people guys...I've never been more in awe of a site... God bless you all! Even you Kenny! Ha! Love you man!

Don't know you Ed, but I'd like to meet ya some day, sound like a fine gentleman!

PEACE!


Hey Allen - I will be in your neck of the woods this weekend in Orange City. Anyone that lives nearby - lets all get together for a Saturday AM breakfast someplace in the middle.

P2P - I still have a tire for you - and now it's FREE!!! Thank you for helping Ed.

[magindat]

I've learned a lot from this site and met some great people and it's nice to hear that people out there will help others that they have never met, so I've sent my $100 via PayPal. Good luck :beer:

Thanks, Mike!!!

[magindat]

Dude! That stinks! I mean...its great that you're coming to Orange City, but it's bad that I'm in Alaska with my wife running a youth camp! My sister is home this weekend and she's single(let her tell you the story) welcome to the family! Hee Hee Ha Ha!

BTW She's got my car...see if you can fix my install I need some professional advice...I'm still saving my excursion for you!

Not to take ANYTHING at all from Kenny, you can drive down to Vero any time for install help.

[magindat]

Juno has contributed $100. Thanx, Jay.

BTW, PM re: your stereo project. It'll probly be late July, if that's OK.

[magindat]

The SSM management has directed me to place $200 into the fund. I have done so. I literllay got chills from the PM and am getting choked up writing this.

The pledge sheet has crested 3K. I'm speechless.

I currently have $1200 in Pay Pal if there needs to be any instant transfer for some kind of deposit if something is found. I also have 375 in cash from SSM, myself and Leslie, ready to go.

A few have PM'd and wish for Ed to go forged before donating. Honestly, I don't think there's any way he CAN'T go forged with this level of support.

Thank you all for you thoughts, concerns, experience and generosity...

[TooManyFords]

This is awesome! Sure beats spending $100 on a raffle for a blower any day of the week.

Think of all the good Karma Points we're all accumulating.

Did I mention I need racing brakes on ProRauder? I didn't? nevermind...

(LOL!!!)

:D

[Blackmobile]

This is awesome! Sure beats spending $100 on a raffle for a blower any day of the week.

Think of all the good Karma Points we're all accumulating.

Did I mention I need racing brakes on ProRauder? I didn't? nevermind...

(LOL!!!)

:D

Dude, I'll sit in the back seat and put my feet through the floor to help you stop if I have too. I just wonder how I'm going to fix those holes.

[Glenn]

Since your previous post on the other thread indicates you are going with forged internal parts, I am sending you $100 for the rebuild fund. Good luck on the rebuild.

Glenn :burnout:

[magindat]

Since your previous post on the other thread indicates you are going with forged internal parts, I am sending you $100 for the rebuild fund. Good luck on the rebuild.

Glenn :burnout:

Thank you, Glenn.

[ghost03]

Im in for $100. I will send the check in the mail in the next few days

[juno]

Zack,

Who has that price on the aluminator NA motor? I did not see anyone over at teh registry advertising that. I might take one at that price or even the 4256.



Just got a message from the Vendor of the Aluminator. (Joe)
I sent him a link to this thread and he's floored by the genorosity of this site.
In lieu of that, he knocked the price down to $4200 for Ed. :beer:


He's a hell of a good guy and will be looking into becoming a vendor here!

[BAD MERC]

Not to take ANYTHING at all from Kenny, you can drive down to Vero any time for install help.


Hey Rich - I have seen you talk about car stereo. I listen and shut my mouth - there is much to be learned from you. I consider you an equal in that regard and would never think you were stealing my customers. You know your crap and I never question you in that regard.

[magindat]

Im in for $100. I will send the check in the mail in the next few days

Thanx, Rob

[magindat]

Hey Rich - I have seen you talk about car stereo. I listen and shut my mouth - there is much to be learned from you. I consider you an equal in that regard and would never think you were stealing my customers. You know your crap and I never question you in that regard.

Thanx, Kenny. Just tryin to help a brother with a shorter drive!

[magindat]

Zack,

Who has that price on the aluminator NA motor? I did not see anyone over at teh registry advertising that. I might take one at that price or even the 4256.

Jay, it turned out to be a short block.

[Mest30]

I'm fairly new here and have never meet Blackmobile, but I'd feel bad if I didnt help out. I dont have much money to spare, but I just sent Rich $30.00. Sorry, it's all I have to spare, but something is better than nothing.

[Local Boy]

^^^ Right-on Mest30!!!...

That's very admirable of you...

The amount is of no concern...your willingness to help another in need, makes you a valueable member of this FAMILY!!!

In behalf of ED and Rich...Thanks for your generosity...

ALOHA

[D Rock]

I have known Ed for just a short time, but I consider him a good friend, so $100 check will be in the mail to Rich by Sat.

[Mike]

^^^ Right-on Mest30!!!...

That's very admirable of you...

The amount is of no concern...your willingness to help another in need, makes you a valueable member of this FAMILY!!!

In behalf of ED and Rich...Thanks for your generosity...

ALOHA

^^^ Well said^^^ :beer:

[juno]

Jay, it turned out to be a short block.

That is what I suspected. It's not a bad deal as the price for a built motor with an Aluminum block is close with other builders. It is amazing that for 13-1500 more you can get heads and all the running gear AND a motor that has been run on the test stand. You would think the block only would be a little cheaper.

[magindat]

^^^ Right-on Mest30!!!...

That's very admirable of you...

The amount is of no concern...your willingness to help another in need, makes you a valueable member of this FAMILY!!!

In behalf of ED and Rich...Thanks for your generosity...

ALOHA

Thank you, Randy. I could not have said it better.

RoyLPita Jumped in for another $25. Thanx, Brian!

[magindat]

$3430 and counting.

I smell an Al Papito forged rebuild... I hope!

[Joe_Charles]

Zack,

Who has that price on the aluminator NA motor? I did not see anyone over at teh registry advertising that. I might take one at that price or even the 4256.

I'm the guy over on the registry (ITLRUN) that posted this over there. I'm also the guy responsible for pricing a short block instead of a long block. I am very sorry for the confusion.

However, having said that... I am so stoked to see what you guys have done for Ed. This is simply amazing!


You guys ROCK! :beer:

[magindat]

I'm the guy over on the registry (ITLRUN) that posted this over there. I'm also the guy responsible for pricing a short block instead of a long block. I am very sorry for the confusion.

However, having said that... I am so stoked to see what you guys have done for Ed. This is simply amazing!


You guys ROCK! :beer:

Thanx for joining us, Joe. Welcome!!

[RoyLPita]

Thank you, Randy. I could not have said it better.

RoyLPita Jumped in for another $25. Thanx, Brian!

It was the least that I could do to help a friend out.

[Hotrauder]

Rich, you have done an amazing job here for our friend, Eddie. Kudos to you and to the membership of our Marauder groups. If couldn't be for a more deserving member or from better people. :2thumbs::high5: Once again "the collective rules." Dennis

[cvpiftw]

I am bone poor, 16 without a halfway decent car, and a vic needing valve work in the driveway, but i can throw a few bucks your way. I could only hope someone would help me if this happened, chances are it wouldnt, BUT i decided a few bucks can help get a few gaskets :).

[Local Boy]

WOW!!!...That's awesome cvpiftw...

Do us a favor and give your parents a BIG HUG from all of us...Because they sure did good raising you!!!

Being young, yet very thoughtful towards others, puts you in the maturity level far beyond your years...

Thank you, for being a valued member of this family, and for your thoughtful generosity...

ALOHA

BTW: You might want to post the issues you are having, and where you are located (profile)...I'm sure someone can, and will, help you out...

Good Luck, and Thanks again...

[justbob]

Well i don't have much, but its only money right. Good luck and keep us posted. $50.00 paypaled for your first test drive.

[magindat]

Rich, you have done an amazing job here for our friend, Eddie. Kudos to you and to the membership of our Marauder groups. If couldn't be for a more deserving member or from better people. :2thumbs::high5: Once again "the collective rules." Dennis

Thank you, sir. It's my pleasure.

[magindat]

I am bone poor, 16 without a halfway decent car, and a vic needing valve work in the driveway, but i can throw a few bucks your way. I could only hope someone would help me if this happened, chances are it wouldnt, BUT i decided a few bucks can help get a few gaskets :).

Thank you. And believe me, with an attitude like that, friends WILL come running!

[magindat]

Well i don't have much, but its only money right. Good luck and keep us posted. $50.00 paypaled for your first test drive.

Graciously Accepted, sir. Thank you!

[magindat]

It is with a full heart that I thank our friends at crownvic.net for their thoughtful help.

Two members have donated $20 each:
Tim E (no screen name given) - $20
Frank A (Gordonfan24) -$20

Thank you, friends!

[Mest30]

I posted this on CVN and a few members may give a donation. I'll keep you posted. Rich, I told CVN that I can give them your e-mail address so they can contact you w/o joining the forum here (I hope that's ok). If anyone shows significant interest, can you PM me your e-mail address?

[magindat]

I posted this on CVN and a few members may give a donation. I'll keep you posted. Rich, I told CVN that I can give them your e-mail address so they can contact you w/o joining the forum here (I hope that's ok). If anyone shows significant interest, can you PM me your e-mail address?

I have seen 2 donations from CVN members. My address and email are in the first post.

Thank you very much!!!

[magindat]

I just checked the mail. $700 in checks have arrived.

I am using one of my rarely used bank accounts to keep all this separate.

Currently, I have:
$475 in my account ready to go
$1515 in Paypal ($300 still waiting to clear) so $1215 ready to use
$300 in checks made out to me which I will deposit in my account
$400 in checks made out to Ed

Ed personally received a check made out to him in person for $100

This means that $2790 in real money has been collected. Thank you to every one who has viewed advised and donated!!!

I'll keep everyone posted as pledges and donations come in.

Thanx again
Rich

[Raudermaster]

Just sent $100 for Ed. :up:

[cvpiftw]

I sent my money in. Thanks for the compliments.

[magindat]

Just sent $100 for Ed. :up:

Thank you, Jarod!

[1stMerc]

Paypal sent for $100 towards a new heart for ED's Blackmobile. Hope it helps.

The generosity of the members on this site is truely amazing, given the times.

Localboy, seeing on CNN the price you guys are paying for just the staples, and still having the heart to contribute,,,

Too one and all i salute you.

[MMMAN]

I'm in for $100 Ed.

[magindat]

Paypal sent for $100 towards a new heart for ED's Blackmobile. Hope it helps.

The generosity of the members on this site is truely amazing, given the times.

Localboy, seeing on CNN the price you guys are paying for just the staples, and still having the heart to contribute,,,

Too one and all i salute you.

Thanx Waymon!!!!

[magindat]

I'm in for $100 Ed.

Thank You!!

[magindat]

We are at $3827. Unbelievable.

You know when I started this, I thought we'd be lucky to scare up a grand. Little did I know it would go this far. I'm so glad it has.

In the spirit of your generosity, I am doing my absolute best to keep accountable of YOUR money. Stay tuned for updates.

Besides last year's picnic, this has been the most viewed thread EVER in the SSM forum.

Thank you one and all and especially those who have come to visit from outside the MM community.

I can't begin to tell you how it touches me that you all are helping my - our - friend and that you trust enough to give.

Thank you is too weak.

Every little bit continues to help.

[Iowa Rick]

I've sent $50 to the paypal account. I'm recently retired and a new MM owner. I don't know Ed but from what I've seen (read) you guys inspire me and I feel privleged to be accepted as a member here. Rick

[magindat]

I've sent $50 to the paypal account. I'm recently retired and a new MM owner. I don't know Ed but from what I've seen (read) you guys inspire me and I feel privleged to be accepted as a member here. Rick

We feel priveleged to welcome you as a new member!

Thank you, Rick.

[sailsmen]

There are now enough funds w/ a 25% discount to get a Marauder Reman Long Block!

[magindat]

There's almost enough (with Ed's available funds) to get a forged rebuild from Al Papitto.

[Pat]

Rich,

The check is in the mail, as pledged.

Regards,

[Blackmobile]

There are now enough funds w/ a 25% discount to get a Marauder Reman Long Block!


There's almost enough (with Ed's available funds) to get a forged rebuild from Al Papitto.

As Rich has stated, we're at a level where I'm looking into an engine from Al Papitto. With all the support and suggestions, the consensus is to do the engine Right! This takes me out of the picture for rebuilding it myself :eek: , or putting in a used engine :shake: . This leaves the option of having it done by a professional :coolman: . An engine built by Al Papitto would be of a caliber only rivaled by the generosity of the members on this site and a some other Special people. But what do you guys and gals think, Do you think an engine from Al Papitto is an adequate choice? This was also suggested by TJA, and when he speaks, you best be listening. I also am leaning towards this choice because, I need the best, I have a lot of people to give rides too :D. All kidding aside, I want to thank everyone for thier kindness and generousity for helping an everyday ordinary Mercury Marauder owner who now realizes how big of Family he has. Thank you for showing me what CoMaraudery really is.

[Pops]

Ed I am with TJA on this one! Buy the built motor.

[magindat]

As Rich has stated, we're at a level where I'm looking into an engine from Al Papitto. With all the support and suggestions, the consensus is to do the engine Right! This takes me out of the picture for rebuilding it myself :eek: , or putting in a used engine :shake: . This leaves the option of having it done by a professional :coolman: . An engine built by Al Papitto would be of a caliber only rivaled by the generosity of the members on this site and a some other Special people. But what do you guys and gals think, Do you think an engine from Al Papitto is an adequate choice? This was also suggested by TJA, and when he speaks, you best be listening. I also am leaning towards this choice because, I need the best, I have a lot of people to give rides too :D. All kidding aside, I want to thank everyone for thier kindness and generousity for helping an everyday ordinary Mercury Marauder owner who now realizes how big of Family he has. Thank you for showing me what CoMaraudery really is.

Adequate?! You have GOT to be kidding!!!


Ed I am with TJA on this one! Buy the built motor.

Should Ed go the Papitto direction, I will monitor progress and take pictures along the way. Al is only 6 miles from my house. It's the least I could do to reward all of your generosity and trust.

[magindat]

Today I deposited $300 from checks directly into an account for Ed.
I deposited $400 in his own personal account as the checks were made out to him.
There is $1498.30 available in Paypal and another $375 still uncleared.
I have $475 in cash to either hand over, pay, or deposit.

The various sources and types of funding have been a bit difficult to keep up with, but are welcome as they provide flexibility for Ed to make the best possible decision.

I initially posted that I would eat the Paypal fees. It was totally my intention to do so, but due to such an overwhelming response, I find I can't afford to. As such, I am increasing my donation by $25 (to make an even $500 cash on hand) in the spirit of my intention to cover the Paypal fees. I hope you all understand. This is not to say don't Paypal, because the immidiate availability of funds is indeed a luxury.

Thanx to every individual who has come by here and who has thrown a few in the pot.

More updates as things progress.

Thanx,
Rich

[Blackmobile]

Adequate?! You have GOT to be kidding!!!


Just opening the door to hear everyone's opinion.

[magindat]

Just opening the door to hear everyone's opinion.

I know, bud. That's mine!!!!:D

[Pat]

Do I understand correctly, the Al Papitto motor is a forged, fully assembled, ready to drop in the engine bay product?

If so then go for it.

Or, is it a forged, fully assembled long block that requires Ed's reconditioned heads?

There is enough funds for the Papitto motor?

Regards,

[magindat]

Do I understand correctly, the Al Papitto motor is a forged, fully assembled, ready to drop in the engine bay product?

If so then go for it.

Or, is it a forged, fully assembled long block that requires Ed's reconditioned heads?

There is enough funds for the Papitto motor?

Regards,

There are a million details and possibilities which are undetermined until the autopsy. The general idea is a forged rebuild (hopefully) on the existing block (a new one if it's toast) and existing heads (if they aren't toast).

There's really no way of answering without the autopsy. Ed's gonna pull the heads tomorrow just to get pics of the decks and bores so we can show Al and start getting a better idea of what happened and how to approach the rebuild.

The idea, of course, is a fully forged and rebuilt bottom end to begin with.

There have been MANY discussions about spending all of your money wisely and responsibly. Rest assured that a shade-tree mechanic rebuild is NOT in the plans.

Hopefully, there will be pics, soon and as I learn from Al, I'll post explanations.

[MarauderTJA]

When it comes to Al Papitto (Boss 330 Racing) yes I am biased. There is not a better Ford Modular engine builder than Al Papito in the U.S. IMO. I am friends with top drag racers Tony Briante Sr & Jr and Bob & Billy Glidden. When I was inquiring from them on who to build me a forged motor for my Marauder, all without hesitancy recommended Al Papito. Hands-down.

When I had a bad set of Crower Cams cause an exhaust cam sprocket to break and bend 6 valves before MV IV, Al was so upset he spent his time and money to completely break down, check and repair my motor, with parts all for $ -0-. Now that is a true professional. I presented him with a nice plaque after my 10.9 et, 132 mph run thanking him for his efforts and support as well as building the engine for the fastest, full interior, daily street driven Marauder in the country (for now).

ED could not do better than having Al build his motor. My donation to the fund I hope goes in that direction. The only problem I see is then Ed is going to be breathing down my neck to knock me off:lol:

[Pops]

You have also been on my mind Tom!

[Zack]

You have also been on my mind Tom!

That sounds GAY JOHN

[MarauderTJA]

You have also been on my mind Tom!

Hey John, how is your engine build coming along?


Hey Zack:neener:, :lol:

[magindat]

I am printing Ed's pics now to carry to Al Papitto. Hopefully, he'll be able to say what happened and give a price for rebuild.

[imorb1994]

I know its not much but hey maybe it can buy the beer when it comes time to put the Al papitto forged/rebuild engine back in.
Me living so far away from the masses of great and generous marauder owners sucks but hopefully i will be able to meet some of you guys and gals someday soon.

Ed seems like a great guy really wished i could help more tough time though.
Daniel

[Jimimac43]

I think I can speak for everyone and say "every dollar helps, no donation is to small"! And thanks! Vince

[magindat]

I know its not much but hey maybe it can buy the beer when it comes time to put the Al papitto forged/rebuild engine back in.
Me living so far away from the masses of great and generous marauder owners sucks but hopefully i will be able to meet some of you guys and gals someday soon.

Ed seems like a great guy really wished i could help more tough time though.
Daniel


I think I can speak for everyone and say "every dollar helps, no donation is to small"! And thanks! Vince

Thanks! and thank you, Vince for following up. I'm back from the holiday weekend and will be catching up with this during the course of the day. Stay tuned for updates.

[magindat]

I DID visit Al and he is in the spirit and hopefully (pending Ed's final decision) will be getting the motor this week.

Vince is right. Every little bit helps. Every donation has been considered by myself, Ed and everyone else to be equal.

I DID discuss posting the pics of tear down and rebuild with Al and he welcomes the idea.

The generosity and comaraudery (yes, it's spelled like that on purpose) of this site has inspired others on other sites and inspired a top engine builder, as well. The donations have had an effect far more reaching than their intrinsic dollar value and have served to restore and bolster faith not only in this site, but in the general attitude of and toward people at large.

Thank you.

[CRUZTAKER]

.... The donations have had an effect far more reaching than their intrinsic dollar value and have served to restore and bolster faith not only in this site, but in the general attitude of and toward people at large.

Thank you.


And they laughed at us the first time we did it.

This isn't the end for sure...let's just keep it to one a year...times are tough. :P

[magindat]

The motor, broken into shortblock, heads, and assorted other parts have been delivered to Al Papitto at Boss330 Racing (http://www.boss330racing.com/main.html).

His initial take was that he was very impressed with the internal cleanliness of the 130K mile motor. He said most 50-60K motors aren't as clean.

He believes, upon cursory look, that the heads are good and the block may be able to be saved.

The damaged caused by this broken piston:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/9/6/9/Photo0013.jpg

is not nearly as severe as many he's seen (and some he showed me!).

This gouge :

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/9/6/9/divitincylinderwall.jpg

was likely caused by the ring 'sticking' to the wall due to the high heat of detonation and then being broken off by the down-stroke.

He will be performing an 'autopsy' and will then make recommendations. Initially he thinks the block may be saved by a .020 over. He says he's going to start with .006 - .008 over in that piston and see if it looks like it'll go.

If the block can be saved, the initial plan is to rebuild with new (forged, of course) parts including .020 over with 2cc dish pistons resulting in a net compression of about 9.0-1 which should be perfect for boost.

This post is not put up for the sake of arguement, but to let everyone know where their money is going and to regurgitate what I've had the privelege of learning from such a knowledgable source.

Fortunately, for Ed and for all of us, Al has been very personable and cooperative and has seemed to join our spirit of co-marauder-y. I am grateful and humbled to have his help and to be making a friend.

I have shown him this thread and invited him to join us.

Thanx, Al. :beer:

I'll post more later and will post pics as I take them thanks to Al's agreeing to allow such close and public view of this rebuild.

I'd like to keep it all here, on this thread, and I'll link to this 'beginning' in the first post.

More to come...

[Local Boy]

Thanks Al, for your knowledge and thoughtfulness...

ALOHA

BTW: Right-on Rich!

[Zack]

9.0:1 Compression = Mistake.

It will be perfect for 20+psi, nothing less!

[Blackmobile]

9.0:1 Compression = Mistake.

It will be perfect for 20+psi, nothing less!

Be so kind as to explain why a cobra creat motor is OK, but using 9.0:1
pistons in a block is a mistake? Aren't cobra motors built with lower compression pistons? :dunno:

[MarauderTJA]

9.0:1 Compression = Mistake.

It will be perfect for 20+psi, nothing less!

I am running 9.3:1 at 18 lbs boost which has worked out great in my setup. I agree with you Zack, "UNLESS" Ed is planning on more than 20 lbs boost:rolleyes:, and you never know with him:lol:. He is a drag racer.

[MarauderTJA]

Be so kind as to explain why a cobra creat motor is OK, but using 9.0:1
pistons in a block is a mistake? Aren't cobra motors built with lower compression pistons? :dunno:

Cobra motors have 8.5:1 compression, use a roots blower and are lighter than the Marauders. I am not sure, but the crate motors have 9.0:1 compression. Is that correct Zack? Sailsman motor is a Cobra crate motor and he is pushing 541 RWHP.

[Zack]

I dont agree with using cobra motors with low compression, sorry if i conveyed that at some point.

High compression and high boost go together just fine.

Whatever you decide to do is YOUR choice, and I will support it.
Personally, I would go no lower than 9.75:1

[Blackmobile]

I dont agree with using cobra motors with low compression, sorry if i conveyed that at some point.

High compression and high boost go together just fine.

Whatever you decide to do is YOUR choice, and I will support it.
Personally, I would go no lower than 9.75:1

I'm just trying to see all options. I personally want to stay at 10:1 but then I herd somewhere that stock was 9.7:1 and that Cobra's were 8.0:1.
I usually play at the low end of the power curve, which is why I loved the Underdrive pulleys so much.

[Pops]

Ed my new motor is 9.3 per PHP recomendation. Have not driven it yet. I heard it run today for the first time and know that it made 560 RWP and 509 torque at 5500 rpm and 14 lbs of boost. They have not had it any higher than that yet. From looking at the file on it it seemed to have a lot of torque down low. Al is good so you should talk to him and make a decision after you get the facts.

[MarauderTJA]

Al recommended for me the 9.3:1 compression for my motor At the time I told him I wanted the motor to be able to handle 24-26 lbs boost, if I wanted to go that far. I did not and do not plan to increase my boost to those levels. I may increase the nitrous shot from 100 to 150 at some point, maybe.........But honestly my car drives absolutely great on the street and at the track. I also know that is because of Scott Beer's tuning. AL's motor and Scott's tune has been an incredible combination for me. I could not be more pleased with my decision and setup.:D Go with your heart Ed.. You know how you drive, race and more. I had lengthy discussions with AL before having him go ahead with my motor. Make a "personal" decision on your motor and your driving. Al will do you right.

[Pops]

Al recommended for me the 9.3:1 compression for my motor At the time I told him I wanted the motor to be able to handle 24-26 lbs boost, if I wanted to go that far. I did not and do not plan to increase my boost to those levels. I may increase the nitrous shot from 100 to 150 at some point, maybe.........But honestly my car drives absolutely great on the street and at the track. I also know that is because of Scott Beer's tuning. AL's motor and Scott's tune has been an incredible combination for me. I could not be more pleased with my decision and setup.:D Go with your heart Ed.. You know how you drive, race and more. I had lengthy discussions with AL before having him go ahead with my motor. Make a "personal" decision on your motor and your driving. Al will do you right.

Tom hits it right in the head! Ask questions and then make the decision. Good luck Ed as we are all rooting for you! ;)

[Blackmobile]

Tom hits it right in the head! Ask questions and then make the decision. Good luck Ed as we are all rooting for you! ;)

Thanks for all the info guys. I'll need all the input I can get to make the right choices. And I thought it was just step on the peddle and GO.

[sailsmen]

As respects the Cobra Motors, they were developed back in 1991 on a short time table.

They had to go with what they knew worked w/ an S/C and that was a forged, iron block w/ low compression. The computer tuning power we have today was not available in 1992.

It was only recently that high compression, over 9 to 1, in S/C motors has proven to develop more safe power than low compression.

A Cobra Reman Long Block w/ a warranty list for $4,500-$5,200 depending on zip code. They are readily available. The only catch is they want a "Cobra" core back. In many cases they have agreed to accept a Marauder Core.

For myself and many others the Cobra Reman Long Block is an excellent choice. They are good for 600RWHP.

Eventually I will get mine up to the 600RWHP mark. For now my race tune at ~541RWHP meets my needs.

[magindat]

While this is a healthy and seemingly polite discussion, bear in mind, this is only the regurgitation of preliminary inspection and musing at possibilities. The autopsy is not in and no decisions have been made. Hopefully pictures will begin and more info and fodder for discussion will be available Monday afternoon.

Seems to me a forged bottom end, slightly more compression and Dennis' tuning should net more power than Billy's set up (NOT KNOCKING HIS SETUP AT ALL, JUST COMPARING). I'm sure Ed would be thrilled with those power levels on top of a tough as nails motor.

Um, start saving up for rim widening and tires, Ed. :D

More info Monday.

[Blackmobile]

Um, start saving up for rim widening and tires, Ed. :D

More info Monday.

I was just talking about that last night. My setup with ~470 RWHP made my KDW2's seem like jello on the road. With any upgrade in power I would revise the description to Pudding for tread.

[KillJoy]

I was just talking about that last night. My setup with ~470 RWHP made my KDW2's seem like jello on the road. With any upgrade in power I would revise the description to Pudding for tread.


Put on a "street tune" and have a "track tune"

:dunno:

KillJoy

[Blackmobile]

Put on a "street tune" and have a "track tune"

:dunno:

KillJoy

That was with the street tune, The race tune is, or was waiting for some tires.

These were my second set of tires which are pretty worn but still useable for a break in period.

Oh yeah, I do drive a little hard on a daily basis.

[MarauderTJA]

Put on a "street tune" and have a "track tune"

:dunno:

KillJoy

Ideal set up:up: That is the setup I have on a switch chip. Actually I have three tunes. The stock computer has the 93 octane street tune; on the chip I have a C16 tace tune with blower only and a C16 race tune with the 100 shot. Has worked out great.

Ed, IMO along with Steve and many others, it is the way to go.

[sailsmen]

I have a race, street and valet.

W/ the street WOT in 1st at an speed = hitting the rev limiter if you don't let rite off. Lays rubber on the 2-3 in 100* weather.

The valet it won't go over 2,500 rpm.

[MarauderTJA]

I have a race, street and valet.

W/ the street WOT in 1st at an speed = hitting the rev limiter if you don't let rite off. Lays rubber on the 2-3 in 100* weather.

The valet it won't go over 2,500 rpm.

I don't know about you Billy, but NO VALET will ever drive my car:lol:. I will not even let my wife drive my car:shake:.

[sailsmen]

I still have an ESP Plan. I moved and don't know the Mercury Dealer in my new area.

At the old dealer only the Service Manager would drive it. I only told the service adviser it had a lot of HP to be careful who drove it so no one would get hurt.

I latter found out on their own they decided only the Service Manager would drive it.

I don't let the wife drive it.

[MM03MOK]

I will not even let my wife drive my car:shake:.


I don't let the wife drive it.Sometimes I let my husband drive my Marauders! He does keep them all spiffed up!


:rolleyes:

[TooManyFords]

It was only recently that high compression, over 9 to 1, in S/C motors has proven to develop more safe power than low compression.

I'm sorry, but this is just conjecture on your part unless you have case studies to back this claim.

9:1 compression is just fine for a boosted motor. I would rather see something in the 8:1 range but then the pistons get expensive. Don't worry about the myth that you'll lose all that low-end torque. So far, noboy has done back-to-back dyno pulls to prove it and my own 9:1 engine seems fine to me.

Cheers!

John

[FordNut]

The valet it won't go over 2,500 rpm.

Not a bad idea...


I will not even let my wife drive my car.


I don't let the wife drive it.

My wife said it drives just like her stock one. But it makes too much noise so she doesn't like it!

[sailsmen]

I'm sorry, but this is just conjecture on your part unless you have case studies to back this claim.

9:1 compression is just fine for a boosted motor. I would rather see something in the 8:1 range but then the pistons get expensive. Don't worry about the myth that you'll lose all that low-end torque. So far, noboy has done back-to-back dyno pulls to prove it and my own 9:1 engine seems fine to me.

Cheers!

John

Pure conjecture on your part. Please advise of your case studies. Fast Ford Magazine did just that and the higher compression motor developed more power. http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfs_070022_ford_compression_r atio/index.html
(I don't need to make things up when they are true.)

Looking forward to seeing your track times posted.

[TooManyFords]

Ok, I sit corrected and there is a 4% reduction. But I stand by my statement that mine runs just fine!

:D

[sailsmen]

So does mine w/ the low compression Cobra. The throttle response is excellent.

I look forward to seeing the video when you make your runs, especially if you can mike the oohs and ahhs of the crowd.;)

[MarauderTJA]

Sometimes I let my husband drive my Marauders! He does keep them all spiffed up!


:rolleyes:

Well thats because your the boss :lol:.

[juno]

[quote=magindat;
If the block can be saved, the initial plan is to rebuild with new (forged, of course) parts including .020 over with 2cc dish pistons resulting in a net compression of about 9.0-1 which should be perfect for boost.
[/quote]

I think you meant 12 cc, not 2.

[magindat]

I think you meant 12 cc, not 2.

I might have. I get SO MUCH info when I'm there, it's a little over-whelming!

I'm going again this afternoon, so I should have some pics and more info to share!

[Blackmobile]

I might have. I get SO MUCH info when I'm there, it's a little over-whelming!

I'm going again this afternoon, so I should have some pics and more info to share!

:drool: :drool: :drool:

[magindat]

Hasn't torn it down yet. He spent the day crating a $21K race motor.

I'll post when I got sum-tin!!

[magindat]

After finishing half a dozen race motors, and two weekends of racing, Al has gotten to Ed's motor. Seems we hit him right in racing season and there's lots of work to be done.

I have learned that he works in 'batches' of about 1/2 dozen. The shop has 3 main areas. One for tear down and cleaning. One for machining. an done for assembly. In this way no dirt or shrapnel cross contaminates the assembly area. He spends days only doing tear down, only machining, or only assembly to avoid and FOD (Foreign Object Debris) in any motor. Slick.

[magindat]

First, we brought the motor split into heads and short block. You've seen those pics.

After tear down the culprit is revealed.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/deadpiston.JPG

This was not caused by abuse. Al believes that at 130k this was waiting to happen.

This is the damage it caused.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/ringscratch2.JPG

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/ringscratch1.JPG

There's pit as seen in previous pics or posted on the other thread, but theres also a scratch caused by the ring which now had no support in the area of the chip broken off.

The plan is to try to bore this cylinder up to +.030 and see if this damage can be bypassed. The little pit is filled with aluminum and must be cleaned out prior to boring. We should have the verdict tomorrow or the next day.

[magindat]

As further proof this was not caused by abuse Al showed me the journals or bearings and couldn't believe they came off an 80k motor. I reminded him it was 130k and he just can't believe it.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/perfectbearings.JPG

These are in perfect condition. I personally have seen these things completely torn up on a 5k motor much less 130k.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/perfectjrnl.JPG

You can still see the vinyl record type grooves in them. These are usually worn shiny. Al says over and over how well cared for this motor was.

As a result, the crank looks brand new and will be re-used and balanced according to the new rotating and reciprocating mass.

[magindat]

While Ed's heads are being decked, I was lucky enough to have Al take the time to show me how he refreshes and matches valve seats. I was with him for roughly 2 hours as he carefully measured tolerances on the 10,000ths of an inch to set up the $40K+ Serdi seat and guide machine to refresh and match the exhaust valve seats to the exhaust valves.

The pictures below are not actually Ed's heads but another 4.6 4v. This will happen for Ed's heads tomorrow after they're decked.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/exhstseats.JPG

Yes, that's Al in the picture.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/exhstseatsclose.JPG

A close up of the bit about to cut the seat. This process removes barely 1-2 thousandths and matches every seat to within that same tolerance. I'm sure I'll learn more later, but apparently this makes the valve spring setup extremely accurate and balanced across all the cylinders.

[magindat]

Directly after tear down, Al places the major parts in this cleaner.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cleaner.JPG

It has a special solution and a heater which cleans the parts with something like 200 jet nozzles from all directions at something like 175 PSI and 150 degrees.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cleanerinsd.JPG

After cleaning a dirty arse block comes out looking like this:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cleanblockfrnt.JPG

This is Ed's block from the front.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cleanblockbtm.JPG

From the bottom.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/mains.JPG

Mains and bolts cleaned.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/mainsonblk.JPG

Mains set in block. This is just for keeping parts together. We are nowhere near assembly.

[magindat]

The bottom end rebuild will consist of Manley H beam rods which are here and are being balanced so I couldn't get pics.

The Custom CP pistons are here. The custom consists of Al's spec for a thicker skirt, a 9cc dish and a thicker area above the top ring land than stock.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cppistonbot.JPG

Thicker skirt and wrist pin area.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cppistontop9cc.JPG

9cc Dish.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cppistonside.JPG

Thicker ring land.

Ring land compared to a typical ford 4v piston. This one is from a gt500 but has the same top ring land height as ours.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cpringland.JPG

This thicker top helps prevent the typical damage caused by detonation sticking the ring to the cylinder wall that tears off the top of the piston.

Besides these specification improvements, these pistons are machined from billet, not cast as are stock.

These are the same exact pistons MarauderTJA runs in the worlds fastest full trim Marauder.

The 9cc dish plus a +.020 to +.030 bore will result in a final compression ratio of about 9.3-1 and a final displacement of about 283ci.

[MarauderTJA]

Great pictures Rich. AL is doing to Ed's motor what was done to mine. Same components with rods & pistons. You can understand now why so many people from around the nation have Al build their motors. He "Is" the man.:up:

[magindat]

Great pictures Rich. AL is doing to Ed's motor what was done to mine. Same components with rods & pistons. You can understand now why so many people from around the nation have Al build their motors. He "Is" the man.:up:

Thanx Tom. Means alot coming from you.

Al is really working with us and is totally in the spirit of what we've done on this thread. There really couldn't be a better solution for Ed. I believe that.

[Blackmobile]

The bottom end rebuild will consist of Manley H beam rods which are here and are being balanced so I couldn't get pics.

The Custom CP pistons are here. The custom consists of Al's spec for a thicker skirt, a 9cc dish and a thicker area above the top ring land than stock.

These are the same exact pistons MarauderTJA runs in the worlds fastest full trim Marauder.

The 9cc dish plus a +.020 to +.030 bore will result in a final compression ratio of about 9.3-1 and a final displacement of about 283ci.

Man, I needed a feel good pill today, and this is it. Thanks Rich for the rebuilding lesson, and after all this and thinking of me doing this anywhere near this quality level leaves me with one answer............Yeah, Right!!

Rich, you da Man:banana:, and Al, you the (how do they put that?) Big Kahuna:bows:

P.S.- And I now get a new desk top image to boot.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cppistontop9cc.JPG

[magindat]

Man, I needed a feel good pill today, and this is it. Thanks Rich for the rebuilding lesson, and after all this and thinking of me doing this anywhere near this quality level leaves me with one answer............Yeah, Right!!

Rich, you da Man:banana:, and Al, you the (how do they put that?) Big Kahuna:bows:

P.S.- And I now get a new desk top image to boot.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cppistontop9cc.JPG

Hey, I'm just spittin' it out as fast as I learn it. I'm glad we could hook this up for you, dude. I'm really glad it's working out. I should be thanking YOU for the education!!!

I'm really glad you're starting to feel better about it!!!!

[Blackmobile]

Now I hope the block makes it thru, but if it doesn't, it's ran a Stellar life.

[MarauderTJA]

Now I hope the block makes it thru, but if it doesn't, it's ran a Stellar life.

We can locate you pristine original aluminum block without a problem ED. I am sure Al has access to them if required.

[sailsmen]

Pretty Pics.

What are your plans for the fuel and blower?

[BAD MERC]

Rich - that's some great photography. And yes, those bearing surfaces look barely touched. That motor could have gone 300,000 miles without even a trace of wear. Makes me feel good to have one lurking under my hood. BTW, I am using 5W20 Royal Purple now.

[Blackmobile]

Pretty Pics.

What are your plans for the fuel and blower?

At the moment it'll probably stay with the current injector setup (They've only been in the car for a minute)but I might go down to a 3.12 pulley, since that's the limit for 6 Rib belts.

[Zack]

At the moment it'll probably stay with the current injector setup (They've only been in the car for a minute)but I might go down to a 3.12 pulley, since that's the limit for 6 Rib belts.

The belt part # for that application is Napa 25061098.

[Blackmobile]

The belt part # for that application is Napa 25061098.

Thanks, but that's what was on the car,nice snug fit. Oh and I think I'll take that advice you gave.;)

[magindat]

Another Trip to Boss330 Racing and another bunch of knowledge:

The motor will receive:
New cam sprocket bolts
Ferrea Stainless forged hard chrome stem exhaust valves
Reuse stock intake valves - with reworking/refreshing
New valve seals
ARP fasteners
new jacket plugs
new triming chain guides and tensioner arms
new stock valve springs

Where to start?
OK the heads. The heads are in perfect shape and only had to be decked .005. The is absolutely no pitting from detonation. The spark plug threads are perfect. (BTW, Al's opinion on the whole spark plug thread issue is that it's due to over-tightening and/or careless and speedy plug changes at rush-em through type dealers.)

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/head.JPG

This head has had the valve seats refreshed. I learned further that Al has custom bits made for the Serdi guide and seat machine. Different bits make different seat profiles depending on if the motor is race or street and blown of NA. Amazing detail.

[Cobra25]

Any Idea on when it should be finished so we can get ED up and running?

[magindat]

So Al grinds a custom profile into the valve seats. He then places the valves in the guides, mics, and grinds each stem for length. Tolerances from valve to valve approach .001!

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/Headwintakevalves.JPG

Now each valve is 'seated' on it's seat and tested with marking grease. The contact area is made to be perfect.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/intakevalvecontact.JPG

It's hard to see, but it's the dull part on the edge. This is not only vitally important for sealing, but is the contact area where the valve passes it's collected heat to the head in order to cool itself.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/intakevalvecontact2.JPG

The shiny part on the seat is the mating surface. This grind is for a street engine blown and will provide the best compromise between air flow and heat transfer.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/intakevalvecontactseat.JPG

Sorry for the blur. It's not the best camera ever, but you should get the idea.

The freshly ground matched and mated valves and seats are now held in place with assembly lube and brand new valve seals.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/valveseals.JPG

[magindat]

An important lesson I'm learning from Al is that in the ABC's of engine building, there are only C's. Clean Clean Clean.

Al removes EVERY oil jacket bung in the motor so that no crap or FOD can contaminate the freshly built motor upon initial start up.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/plugs.JPG

Often this vital step of 'clean' is neglected. Even if the assembly is perfect, FOD trapped in the jackets ruins a perfect motor. Al uses only brand new Ford bungs with the factory 'dope' on them. He says nothing seals better. This photo also shows the valve stem mic.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/plugs2.JPG

So I asked. Why all these bungs to start with. Well, the factory has to have a way to bore the jackets to start with. This straight access leaves a hole to be plugged. These jackets criss-cross the head to supply oil to the cams.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/plugswhy.JPG

In this picture you can see how the plug on top plugs the bore that goes all the way through the head.

The moral of the story is to make sure all these bungs come out and all passages are clean since mnny are dead ends with no flow and will collect FOD.

[magindat]

This is a used Ferrea forged stainless exhaust valve next to a used bi-metal stock exhaust valve.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/ferreaexhaustvalve.JPG

For this build, the stock intake valves are being used since they are in great shape. The stock exhaust valves were, well, exhausted and will be replaced with the forged stainless. For the blown motor, this will help dissipate the tremendous heat passed to the exhaust valve. Each brand new exhaust valve will undergo the same procedure as above to ensure perfect sealing and optimum heat transfer.

The Ferrea valves have a slightly different profile which increases air flow and the stem is slightly different.

The stock valve is bi-metal. The stem is hard to prevent wear in the guide. The seat is softer to help deliver it's heat to the head.

The Ferrea's all stainless dissipates heat well, and the stem is hard chromed to resist wear in the guide.

[magindat]

Here are the cams and their hold downs cleaned and anti flash-rust coated waiting for the valve work to be finished...

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cams.JPG

[Glenn]

Enjoyed the write-up and pictures. Great detail on your engine it should turn out super. What are your HP goals??

Glenn :burnout:

[Marauderjack]

Rich,

You are to be commended for a fine job with this entire project!!!:beer:

BUT.....you need to get a camera with a good "Macro Setting" for close work!!!:dunno:

Marauderjack:D

[Blackmobile]

Enjoyed the write-up and pictures. Great detail on your engine it should turn out super. What are your HP goals??

Glenn :burnout:

What ever 12lbs of boost can give me.I'm not up for an 8 rib pulley setup.....Yet! :burnout:

[magindat]

Rich,

You are to be commended for a fine job with this entire project!!!:beer:

BUT.....you need to get a camera with a good "Macro Setting" for close work!!!:dunno:

Marauderjack:D

Bro, that's what I got - it was FREE! I ain't complainin!!!

Thanx man.

[MarauderTJA]

Great job Rich. It just goes to show you how and why Al Papitto is one of the best engine builders in the country for Ford modular motors. His progressive shop and equipment he utilizes as well as tried and true concepts makes it clearly obvious why his motors are the best built. These are all things that both the Glidden's and Briante's explained to me on why :bows:AL was the man to build my motor. Man were they right. Your detail certainly confirms that and more. Ed is a lucky guy to have his motor built by the best in the business. Granted I am biased. But I did do extensive research before I spent the money on my car and the timeslip page is reflective of his outstanding work on our motors.

[Pat]

Rich or Ed;

This is an amazing engine build up. Thanks for all the info and the pictures.

How are the donations coming along, is there enough to meet the bills?

Maybe it's too early to know what the tab will be.

Gotta plan ahead if more is required with MV6 coming next month.

[magindat]

Rich or Ed;

This is an amazing engine build up. Thanks for all the info and the pictures.

How are the donations coming along, is there enough to meet the bills?

Maybe it's too early to know what the tab will be.

Gotta plan ahead if more is required with MV6 coming next month.

Not sure. All Al keeps saying is "we're OK". He's really in the spirit, so I'm not sure what that means just yet.

[Blackmobile]

Rich or Ed;

This is an amazing engine build up. Thanks for all the info and the pictures.

How are the donations coming along, is there enough to meet the bills?

Maybe it's too early to know what the tab will be.

Gotta plan ahead if more is required with MV6 coming next month.


Not sure. All Al keeps saying is "we're OK". He's really in the spirit, so I'm not sure what that means just yet.

I've been assured that things are in good hands but......:depress: I still get Butterflies thinkin about all that's going into this build.

[magindat]

Another visit and It's gettin close!!!!
More parts on the list:
Mahle Moly Rings
King Rod bearings
King Main Bearings
Ford Chain Guides
Ford Chain Arms
Oil pump

Al has generously included at no charge to Ed:
A replacement intake cam
New Ford valve springs
Told ya he was in the spirit!!!
Thanx, Al!!

[magindat]

This build is going to end up at a little over 5K. This includes some generosity from Al. I have paid directly to Al every cent that I've received. Thank all of YOU for your generosity to Ed.
Putting up the detail in this thread is the LEAST I can do to pay back in knowledge what you've all donated in dollars.
For my friend, Ed, for the opportunity to get to know Al, and for all I've learned, I personally thank you.
Rich

[magindat]

First, I'll share photos of the completed heads. These include new Ford valve springs courtesy of Al. They also include one intake cam. He felt the wear on the journal on the front gear side was unacceptable to him - which means almost unnoticeable to a normal human, so he replaced it - as he said himself - "on the house".

Here you go:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/rebuiltheadvalvetrn_764434.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/rebuiltheadvalvetrn2.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/rebuiltheadnewsprngs.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/rebuiltheadvalvetrn.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/rebuiltheadcamgr.jpg

These are ready to bolt on the block with a new Ford gasket and ARP hardware.

[magindat]

All shared a look at a motor that came in recently. Take a look at these parts as compared to Ed's when they came in. Now I know why he was so impressed with how clean Ed's motor was at 130K!

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/dirtyvalve.jpg

Check out all the baked on oil....

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/dirtymotor.jpg

Ed's motor was shiny, not brown, when it came in.

[magindat]

We've been waiting since day 1 to know if this block was gonna make it.

Well here's a clean block fresh back from honing...

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cleanblock.jpg

Here's a look at the bores at .020 over...

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cleanblockdeck.jpg

And here's that tore up cylinder wall...

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cleanblockborefixed.jpg

Don't look so tore up no more does it?!

Whooohaaa! .020 over cleaned it up. Way shallower than even Al thought.

Somebody's smilin on ya, Ed!!!

[magindat]

It never ends - the attention to detail Al puts in a motor.

From the factory, the edges of all the castings are sharp. Anyone who's handled a block or heads has probly learned the hard way. I imagine it's from the edges of the sand casting at the foundry.

Anyways, before assembly Al deburs every edge - inside and out. This is to ensure than at no point can even a FACTORY bit of aluminum contaminate this newly built, pristine motor.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cleanblockdebur.jpg

You can barely see the burs at the high edges at the mate where machining meets casting.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/cleanblockdebur2.jpg

From this view, it's the rough shiny on the top edge looking down.

All this gets de-burred and the block goes for another ride in the cleaner before assembly.

[Blackmobile]

Thanks for the update brah,
I can't tell you the relief of hearing the news about the block. If Cylinder 8 is good enough for Al then it's good enough for me. All the other parts are looking pretty again.

I'm spechless!!!

:awe::awe::awe::awe:

[2,4shofast]

Such an awesome thread! Thank you so much Rich for and the pictures and explanations! Every time I need a pick-me-up I have to look no further than this....Just awesome

[magindat]

The short block is 90% together - just needs the oil pump. Heads go on today. Al says only about 5 hours left on it!!!

Hey, Ed. Time to start gettin excited.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/DSCF7042.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/DSCF7041.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/DSCF7040.jpg

MMMMMM - shineeeeyyy!!

:banana2:

[magindat]

Pics of the bottom.
Note the drill holes on the lobes - this is to balance the cam to the new rods.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/DSCF7044.jpg

[Eric-Blk2004]

Can I have motor? It will be my XMAS present for life....

[magindat]

Take a look at the edges - not raised and sharp any more!!!

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/5/4/8/DSCF7045.jpg

[Blackmobile]

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: I'm starting to drool again. Yeah, I called Al yesterday and he informed me on what parts he's waiting on. So I'm buttoning up al the little things that will make the install go smoothly as possible. I would wash the car this weekend, but it's been getting rained on pretty regularly lately.
Thanks for the pix Rich, I sure needed an uplifting for the weekend.

Ed

[magindat]

Thanks for the pix Rich, I sure needed an uplifting for the weekend.

Ed

He started saying it would be done today - I was thinkin on lining up a truck and surprisin ya! - Early next week it'll come home!!!

Get with him and do the CC thing. I'll work on arranging a truck.

[Blackmobile]

Can I have motor? It will be my XMAS present for life....

No, you have to B..... your own motor..........That didn't sound right!:shake:

[Blackmobile]

He started saying it would be done today - I was thinkin on lining up a truck and surprisin ya! - Early next week it'll come home!!!

Get with him and do the CC thing. I'll work on arranging a truck.

Sure thing. I'm gonna have to line up all my CC and go, Inny, minny, miney, mo. which one am I gonna REALLY owe.

I'm also going to have to line up the use of a Cherry picker from work, so next weekend I'll be ready, weather permitting.

[juno]

What day next week Rich? I may be able to help you out, or Ed, if you want to swing by my place and borrow big blue you are more then welcome.

[MarauderTJA]

Ed, it is getting closer and closer for you:banana:.......

[Blackmobile]

Ed, it is getting closer and closer for you:banana:.......

I'm finding it hard to speak on MM issues, because I've forgotten how it rides. I sort of remember it in NA form, but I've forgotten it in S/C form. I'll have a Brand New Car.....Again. But lets not Jinx it now.:eek:

[MarauderTJA]

I'm finding it hard to speak on MM issues, because I've forgotten how it rides. I sort of remember it in NA form, but I've forgotten it in S/C form. I'll have a Brand New Car.....Again. But lets not Jinx it now.:eek:

Oh it will be a new car to you :drive:. Count on it :D.

[Cobra25]

You guy's are starting to drive me nut's! Before you know it everyone will have a Built motor except me. Please stop doing this too me. :shake:

[MarauderTJA]

You guy's are starting to drive me nut's! Before you know it everyone will have a Built motor except me. Please stop doing this too me. :shake:

Z, you are really not into drag racing, so I wouldn't worry about it. The only problem will be you will have the slowest SC car in Florida.:tantrum:

But that is OK with me buddy......................... .........................












:jk: It still is real purty:nworthy: