Taking the car to the Dyno tonight!

[Vortech347]

I've got an appointment at the local dynojet tonight at 7pm. I will be making 4-5 pulls depending on how things go. No cool off between runs other than the tuning. The car is stock other than 4.10's and a JLT.

Pull 1 will be stock.
Load the tune and make the pull.
Pull 2 will be DR's tune.
Load the tune and make the pull.
pull 3 will be zacks tune.
pull 4-5 will be best of the 2 with tweeks on the hand held for best results.

I will be locking the car in 2nd gear for the pulls. I talked to several people and a few dyno operators and said there would be no difference in numbers, since its based on mph/accell/RPM.

My last MM stock did 235rwhp on a dynojet 100% stock. Then with a ghetto K&N cone and DR tune it did 247rwhp on a loaded mustang dyno. Which wasn't to bad because my buddy's mach did only 10hp more with a full exhaust system and a 5-speed.

I honestly think stock this car will do 240-245rwhp. It just feels SO much stronger than my other. The 2 tunes most likely 250-255ish I'm guessing.

[Zack]

You need to lock the car in 3rd gear and do the pulls, not 2nd.

And I wouldnt expect any difference in power between the 2, since we both use the exact same spark tables and MAF transfer function. (As supplied by SCT)

[KillJoy]

Are you paying for Tuning, or are you paying for Dyno Pulls?

If you are paying for Tuning.... why did you waste your money on Mail Order Tunes?

:dunno:

KillJoy

[Vortech347]

No, its not getting tuned. Unlike other states that have a good SCT tuner in every block we don't have that here... Infact we just flew someone in from Cali to do all the mustangs that needed tuning.

I'm the pres of our local mustang forum/club and I'm holding a dyno day at this guys dyno saturday. He's letting me use his dyno to screw around with the MM for pretty much next to nothing tonight. :) It has perks when you bring people a crapload of business. :)

The only "tuning" that will be done is just the limited that I can do on the hand held. So spark, and A/F. I won't be able to screw with MAF transfer or anything like that. But just doing this on my other MM I picked up 10hp from the tune DR sent me on my other car because it was a little rich...

[KillJoy]

I would drive around on both Tunes before you get there. The Transmission Tuning will be the BIGGEST difference.

You will probably see nothing of any major difference in the power between the Tunes.

:beer:

KillJoy

[Vortech347]

The best part about a tune IS the tranny settings. I'm just going to see how the car is running HP wise and a baseline for future upgrades. I don't plan on any "massive" gains with the tunes. Just a little tweek here and there. Every car is different. I'm just excited because I seriously think this will eat my other MM's baselines for lunch. If there will be no difference then I'll just stick with the one I like myself and go from there. I'll let you guys know how it does.

[Vortech347]

2nd won't matter. On my last MM I did a 3rd and 2nd gear pull using an XTR file to lock the car in 3rd. The pulls were within 2 hp of each other.

[ctrlraven]

My stock dyno with a K&N filter and flowmaster 40 series mufflers was 241rwhp/252tq, loaded up a DR tune and was 279rwhp and 298tq. Last time I had a dyno it was on a Mustang dyno and was 282rwhp and 314tq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y58s0rYzifY

[Vortech347]

Gawd thats awesome...Sounds like you got a factory freak. I'm hoping I got one too since my last one was a factory terd.

The biggest issue I fight here is 4250 elevation and 7500-8000 air density.

Also I'm going to seafoam the car and put new TR55 plugs @ .060 in it.

[2,4shofast]

My stock dyno with a K&N filter and flowmaster 40 series mufflers was 241rwhp/252tq, loaded up a DR tune and was 279rwhp and 298tq. Last time I had a dyno it was on a Mustang dyno and was 282rwhp and 314tq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y58s0rYzifY


I dont think you could acheive those numbers around here...unless like Matt said you have a factory freak

[Vortech347]

Alright she's seafoamed, new plugs are in, and neighbors are passed out from the smoke. Leaving for the dyno in about an hour...

[Vortech347]

Okay...Results....

this car is a piece of...beauty...

My 03 Marauder with a "superchips" tuner on it and K&N cone (looking at the old dyno sheet) 235rwhp, 250ftlbs. On a dynojet...

This Marauder With just a JLT and stock tune did 255rwhp, 266tq. I KNEW IT WAS FASTER than the old one...

So I throw a tune on dyno it. The added 1 degree global spark and 2% less fuel. I picked up 2hp (Thats it) from the tune.

Result...

264rwhp 286tq. @12.8 A/F LOVE IT!!!!! So when someone says "should I get a tune" YES YES YES!!!!

Also we did some goofing off to see dynoing in different gears. His dyno reacted differently than the last dynojet I was on. the last dyno I did there was a very little HP difference between 2nd and 3rd. This time there was about a 11hp difference between 2nd and 3rd (3rd being more) so we started the runs in 3rd at around 75mphish, 4000rpmish.

I also rode in the dyno operators CTS-V with a mag roots blower 5psi. My gawd that thing hauled, he'd murder my MM. 430rwhp.

[sd8683]

Good number's

[Master]

My totally stock car - absolutely nothing done to it - pulled 242/242 on a Dynojet 248 when brand new (the car, not the dyno). I thought that was rather low for such a fat car, but it was better than expected for something running a slush box (only 20% loss from engine to wheels, which means Ford likely underestimated the crank hp).
I wouldn't ever try comparing a Mustang dyno to a Dynojet. The one thing they do well is provide consistantly differing numbers.
Most cars have different outputs in each gear. It has to do with gear loss, which tends to be greater the more you add reduction. 1:1 is typically the best, thus our third gear pulls are usually the best one's to read. 3rd for manual 4-bangers, 4th for V-8s.
I've been surprised by a few cars that did not follow these rules-of-thumb on the dyno, but not too many.

[Vortech347]

I had alot of fun tonight. We did like 7 pulls.

[ImpalaSlayer]

my car with a tune k&N intake made 261/284

[ctrlraven]

Gawd thats awesome...Sounds like you got a factory freak. I'm hoping I got one too since my last one was a factory terd.

The biggest issue I fight here is 4250 elevation and 7500-8000 air density.

Also I'm going to seafoam the car and put new TR55 plugs @ .060 in it.


I dont think you could acheive those numbers around here...unless like Matt said you have a factory freak

The guys that ran the shop wanted to see a burnout before I left. Don't ask me what was going on, my ABS light was flashing and thought I had turned the traction control off lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYPGeteiMMA

I must have a factory freak cause (late 03 build for 04 model year car) I'm running 13.7x's without headers, pulley, water pump and on stock 3.55 gears. Remember it's all in the tune plus having the right combo of parts helps and also evaluation plays a big roll. Dyno was around 100ft above sea level and the local drag strip I run on is 20ft above sea level.

[Vortech347]

Now remember when you make fun of me when I post my ET's later...

These numbers are SAE dynojet corrected. Which help me to know that I'm where I should be reguarding power compared to other MM's. Now I'm going to worry about making it go down the 1/4 quicker. My last MM's best was 16.0 @89 with my wife driving. I think I can get this MM down into 15's and maybe even 13-14's with some nitrous. My biggest fight will be the lack of "go" in 1st gear with the elevation.

[ctrlraven]

Yeah with that kind of evaluation you would need all the bolt-ons to see 13's.

The 282rwhp and 314tq is SAE corrected numbers off a mustang dyno. Plus it said I was doing 314 at 19xxrpms lol. When I have the extra money I will take it to a dynojet and get some true numbers. I've always been ran on a mustang dyno.

You should talk to Reinhart and get a Vortech for your MM also lol.

[Fourth Horseman]

So Matt, this might be a stupid question, but I don't quite get it. For our dyno pulls Saturday, how are we locking our transmissions in third? It sounds like there's a file or something we flash to the car's computer?

Hit me with the details, brother.

Scott

[Zack]

So Matt, this might be a stupid question, but I don't quite get it. For our dyno pulls Saturday, how are we locking our transmissions in third? It sounds like there's a file or something we flash to the car's computer?

Hit me with the details, brother.

Scott


Unless Dennis sends your tuner the .mtf file, he will have to start from scratch with your tune.

...that equals more time on the dyno, and of course more money.

[Fourth Horseman]

So you do have to flash the computer to lock the car into 3rd for dyno pulls? I guess I should talk to the guy who did my dyno tune and see if he can send me a file for this. I'm not getting tuned this Saturday, just making a couple of pulls on the DynoJet.

[Vortech347]

Nope. Just turn the OD off, and click the shifter through the gears....

Roll into the throttle gently and at about 75mph slam it to the floorboard and he'll start the pull. You won't get low RPM readouts unless you can lock the tune in 3rd. If you have an XTR file you can do this. I can help you do it. An LL3 won't. We practiced alot last night so he's pretty good now at autos and how to dyno our cars. If you need any help just call me I only live 15 minutes from him, or on sat I can make the pull for ya. :)

[Zack]

I hope he doesnt dyno tune cars like this.
You need to lock 3rd and start from 40mph.

[Vortech347]

No, the owner of the dynojet does 0 tuning. He is just a dyno guy.

[KillJoy]

No, the owner of the dynojet does 0 tuning. He is just a dyno guy.


Then.... why did he invest 10's of thousands of dollars into a Dyno, if he is not making more money per hour for pulls as he would w/ Tuning?

:dunno:

KillJoy

PS - TC needs LOCKED in 3rd for a Dyno Pull.

[ctrlraven]

Nope. Just turn the OD off, and click the shifter through the gears....

Roll into the throttle gently and at about 75mph slam it to the floorboard and he'll start the pull. You won't get low RPM readouts unless you can lock the tune in 3rd. If you have an XTR file you can do this. I can help you do it. An LL3 won't. We practiced alot last night so he's pretty good now at autos and how to dyno our cars. If you need any help just call me I only live 15 minutes from him, or on sat I can make the pull for ya. :)

A ll3 file type is for Xcal2, you just have to have the tuner make the file and send it to you to use. Shifting the gears? That's a no no, get a tune that locks up the converter in 3rd gear.


I hope he doesnt dyno tune cars like this.
You need to lock 3rd and start from 40mph.
^^^^^^^

My dyno tune locks the converter up at 30mph and goes WOT at 35 or 40 mph.

[Vortech347]

Because that was his choice....I don't freakin know what he's thinking!! He partnered with a guy that does custom turbo kits.

I didn't to a full throttle pass while shifting on a dyno, I'm not that stupid. I just manually shifted it so I knew what gear it was in. The damn thing kept skiping 2nd on the dyno and mixing me up. you can control the transmission with an XTR file in extremetune and make any change you want. An LL3 cannot be edited on a PC but only on the hand held and dosn't allow a 3rd gear lock. Raven its exactly what I said before. LL3 can't be user adjustable to do it. The dealer can but the customer can't. The XTR a customer CAN.

Jesus christ I'm sorry for not making the most perfect dyno runs in history. Next time I'll try harder I guess. I got the baseline I wanted so whats the issue? Everyone on the internet is an expert.

[Fourth Horseman]

I hear ya man, not to worry. I'll bounce it off Adam and see if he can just send me the file. That way it's all set and we don't have to worry about it.

[ctrlraven]

Because that was his choice....I don't freakin know what he's thinking!! He partnered with a guy that does custom turbo kits.

I didn't to a full throttle pass while shifting on a dyno, I'm not that stupid. I just manually shifted it so I knew what gear it was in. The damn thing kept skiping 2nd on the dyno and mixing me up. you can control the transmission with an XTR file in extremetune and make any change you want. An LL3 cannot be edited on a PC but only on the hand held and dosn't allow a 3rd gear lock. Raven its exactly what I said before. LL3 can't be user adjustable to do it. The dealer can but the customer can't. The XTR a customer CAN.

Jesus christ I'm sorry for not making the most perfect dyno runs in history. Next time I'll try harder I guess. I got the baseline I wanted so whats the issue? Everyone on the internet is an expert.

Simma down there, I'm not getting on you about anything. LL3 can't not be user adjusted, I know that and was not trying to say it was. I was trying to say though you can just get a tune file for dyno use and call it a day IF you have a Xcal 2 that runs LL3 file type. That's fine you if have the ExtremeTune software but some people don't so that's why I said something.

Don't hate on my factory freak y0, :beer:

[Vortech347]

Sorry. Had an intresting day at the office today. My broker was canned... The replacement is a damn IDIOT NOOB.

[2,4shofast]

Very good numbers for up here Matt! My Marauder only did 235 and 248 for a baseline! Is it cool if I meet up at your house to go to the dyno on Saturday? I still havent figured out the damn Utah roads yet...:mad2:

[Vortech347]

Sure. Be at my place around 9:15ish.

Here's the dyno sheet I just scanned it.

[MarauderAgain]

Hey Matt, could you send me the address? If I can get to Salt Lake on Saturday I'd like to stop by.

[Vortech347]

Sure, but its in Ogden.

Go to www.utahstangs.org (http://www.utahstangs.org) and in the lounge is all the info.