JLT oil seperator added

[fastblackmerc]

Added the JLT oil separator.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u133/fastblackmerc/MM%20Mods/Oil%20Seperator/DSCN0004.jpg

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[Paul]

cool. how can your motor and surrounds be so clean?? dayum!!!

[fastblackmerc]

The engine compartment gets cleaned at least once a month.

[Fourth Horseman]

I've been thinking about getting a PCV oil trap and this looks like a nice solution. Order placed. Thanks for the post!

[merc]

I just took off the intake and I had engine oil everywhere. Time to find a solutions. I called JTL this morning and placed an order.

[Marauderjack]

Added the JLT oil separator.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u133/fastblackmerc/MM%20Mods/Oil%20Seperator/DSCN0004.jpg

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I believe you have it in the wrong place??:confused:

It should be on the PCV valve side to stop oil from entering the intake from the vent (vacuum)!!:beer:

[GordonB]

+1 for Marauderjack.
I'm not sure what this accomplishes the way it is situated. I get the oil residue from the OTHER side where the PCV tube goes into the intake. FWIW.
GordonB

[merc]

That depends on you point of view. I have a blower were the intake is on a N/A car. I was getting oil thought the throttle body.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l132/rpaymaster/oil2-1.jpg
I bet your intake looks something like this 99 cobra Gordon.

I wish I had pictures, but according to Chis I had lots of oil over all the internals including the intercooler.

[O's Fan Rich]

I'm pulling my blower off this weekend, we'll see how my setup worked.

[Chas1955]

If all internals are well with the engine, the way the PCV system works is filtered air is drawn in from the intake tube before the throttle plates through the valve cover where your oil separator is pictured. The fresh air is supposed to circulate through the engine and oil vapors are drawn off on the other side where the PCV is located and drawn into the intake below the throttle plates where it is burned with the fuel and air mixture. Like I said, all things being well with the engine. If there is excessive compression getting past the rings then crank case pressure (blow by) becomes extreme and forces oil and oil vapors out both the PCV and breather tubes. Id check compression to see if it is within specs.

[merc]

If all internals are well with the engine, the way the PCV system works is filtered air is drawn in from the intake tube before the throttle plates through the valve cover where your oil separator is pictured. The fresh air is supposed to circulate through the engine and oil vapors are drawn off on the other side where the PCV is located and drawn into the intake below the throttle plates where it is burned with the fuel and air mixture. Like I said, all things being well with the engine. If there is excessive compression getting past the rings then crank case pressure (blow by) becomes extreme and forces oil and oil vapors out both the PCV and breather tubes. Id check compression to see if it is within specs.

The main problem is that current system was not designed for a supercharger. The addition of the JLT Pre-filter and UPR oil catch can should resolve the problem. After everything is bolted down a cylinder compression check will be run.

[Marauderjack]

Does fastblackmerc have a blower on his engine??:confused:

If so he needs an EV-111 PCV valve that closes when it sees boost preventing CC pressurization!!:beer:

If he is NA he needs to move his oil catch gismo to the PCV side!!;)

I have a TON of miles on mine both NA and Supercharged and have never had oil problems in the intake!!!:shake:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[merc]

Does fastblackmerc have a blower on his engine??:confused:

If so he needs an EV-111 PCV valve that closes when it sees boost preventing CC pressurization!!:beer:

If he is NA he needs to move his oil catch gismo to the PCV side!!;)

I have a TON of miles on mine both NA and Supercharged and have never had oil problems in the intake!!!:shake:

Marauderjack:burnout:

How many times down the 1320 @ 18 lbs of boost have you had? The oil in the intake issues has been noted on several car sites. There have been some interesting ideas to fixing the problem. Chris and I have read a ton of threads and we have chosen a solution to test based on race results. If it doesn't work, I will be the first to tell you it's snake oil, but the problem is real. Unless you take your intake out on a regular basis you really don't know.

Tucker of JTL says:

Cars and trucks like the 03, 04 Cobras and the Lightnings are prone to major amounts of oil being re-circulated back into the intake track through the PCV system. This can cause sticky throttle, clogged intercooler fins, gummed up intake runners, carbon deposits and can even lower the octane rating of your fuel.

With this new Pre-Filter from JLT you will greatly reduce the amount of oil that gets into your intake track. It’s a full C&C milled billet aluminum body loaded with a full metal, reusable filter that will trap the oil vapors and allow the PCV air to flow through as it normally would. This filter is easily cleaned with degreaser or brake cleaner. Also included is the rubber seal for the PCV valve to sit into.

This will work on all 96-04 Cobras, Lightning, MACH I, Bullitt, Marauder and most all cars equipped with a standard ¾” base PCV valve (some hose re routing may be needed on some models).

The JLT Pre-Filter is designed to fit on the PCV side of these vehicles, but will also fit the opposite side as well if needed. Most of the oil coming through the PCV system is coming from the PCV side, but can come in the opposite side as well. Check your intake tube for oil to see if 1 or 2 are needed for your application.

http://forums.mightymustangs.net/index.php?showtopic=14988&pid=188207&mode=threaded&show=&st=0

Wanted to take this opurtunity and give you guys my honest opinion on this controversial piece of equipment. Controversial because there are a few who said that this does not work where others swear by it.

I can tell you that I have been running a Steeda Oil Separator for quite a few now. It worked well, and I collected about ¼ or a bit more of the capacity of the container in about 1 month or so of use (all depending on how hard I drove the car), but I was always worried about vapors and oil passing thru this system and contaminating the system specially when running Nitrous or at the top end.

So, I keep reading about this pre-filter and I got off my a$$ about one month ago I ordered one of these JLT Pre-PCV filters trying to clean up my PCV return even further from oil and other contaminants. I can tell you that my Steeda Oil Separator is completely clean with NO trace of oil.

As you guys know, oil in the combustion chamber will aid in detonation and will cause havoc with your AF and eventually with your tune.

The Pre-PCV filter installs in seconds and the fit and finish is outstanding. I got mine in black since I painted my FR500 intake cover black along with my valve covers and timing cover.

Upon inspection the filter is completely enclosed in an aluminum case, and inside has a re-usable stainless filter that traps vapor and excess oil not allowing it to go beyond the PCV valve. I think that I have about 1000 miles on the filter since I have been driving the crap out the car in the past few weeks. The filter came with everything including a factory type rubber seal for the PCV valve to seal.

[Fourth Horseman]

Does fastblackmerc have a blower on his engine??:confused:

If so he needs an EV-111 PCV valve that closes when it sees boost preventing CC pressurization!!:beer:


This is how mine is setup. I have a Vortech s/c. I have the pictured oil catcher in the driver's side valve cover and an EV-111 PCV valve plugged into that.

[Marauderjack]

This is how mine is setup. I have a Vortech s/c. I have the pictured oil catcher in the driver's side valve cover and an EV-111 PCV valve plugged into that.

That is correct!!:beer:

[fastblackmerc]

Does fastblackmerc have a blower on his engine??:confused:

If so he needs an EV-111 PCV valve that closes when it sees boost preventing CC pressurization!!:beer:

If he is NA he needs to move his oil catch gismo to the PCV side!!;)

I have a TON of miles on mine both NA and Supercharged and have never had oil problems in the intake!!!:shake:

Marauderjack:burnout:

No, I'm still sans Trilogy :(

I'm also adding a larger catch can to the right side of the engine.

[Zack]

Run breathers on both covers, tune around it, problem solved for good.

[Embassy]

This is how mine is setup. I have a Vortech s/c. I have the pictured oil catcher in the driver's side valve cover and an EV-111 PCV valve plugged into that.

Pics?

Thanks.

[BlownMerc]

Even the stock cars get oil vapor through the breather tube. Under moderate to hard accelleration, the pcv valve closes due to low vacuum and crankcase vapors are drawn in through the breather tube "drafting" due to high volume airflow past the breather tube in the intake tube. This is where we get the carbon build-up on the throttle body and some of the engines even get the egr passages clogged when the cold air with oil vapor meets the hot exhaust gases coming through the egr valve. I am like some of the others, I have an oil catch can on the pcv side, and the JLT oil separator on the breather side. Have noticed considerably less carbon buildup on the throttle blade.

[Fourth Horseman]

Pics?

Thanks.

I'll get you some tonight.

EDIT: Here you go. Sorry for the poor quality, but getting a decent shot at night is well beyond my limited photography skills.

http://www.fourthhorseman.net/temp/PCVsetup.jpg

[Marylandrauder]

I went ahead and ordered 1 even though my car is stock and I drive the thing fairly conservatively, but there are times I hit the accelerator hard too pass somebody.

I guess this means I do not really need too put on a Catch Can.

If there is any junk in the throttle body what can I use too get rid of any junk.

I am also wondering if it is a good idea to replace the PCV Valve at 30,000 miles.

[fastblackmerc]

I went ahead and ordered 1 even though my car is stock and I drive the thing fairly conservatively, but there are times I hit the accelerator hard too pass somebody.

I guess this means I do not really need too put on a Catch Can.

If there is any junk in the throttle body what can I use too get rid of any junk.

I am also wondering if it is a good idea to replace the PCV Valve at 30,000 miles.

It wouldn't hurt. PCV's are cheap.

[Marylandrauder]

It wouldn't hurt. PCV's are cheap.


I would guess the best 1 too buy would be the Ford Motorcraft PCV Valve.

Where can I pick this up, the dealer, and does anyone have a part number.

[Marauderjack]

PCV valves don't normally wear out...they can get gunked up and cleaning them is a snap!!:beer: You can easily disassemble ours to completely clean so don't just run out and buy one and expect to see any changes in performance!!:shake:

You can easily remove the throttle body and clean with a solvent designed for the purpose.....some say the butterflies are coated but mine don't seem to be so I just use carb cleaner!! :D

Marauderjack:burnout:

[Marylandrauder]

PCV valves don't normally wear out...they can get gunked up and cleaning them is a snap!!:beer: You can easily disassemble ours to completely clean so don't just run out and buy one and expect to see any changes in performance!!:shake:

You can easily remove the throttle body and clean with a solvent designed for the purpose.....some say the butterflies are coated but mine don't seem to be so I just use carb cleaner!! :D

Marauderjack:burnout:

I thought the spring inside the PCV Valve could go bad. I also have read that there is no way of knowing how good the spring is inside the PCV Valve.

I also thought that we needed to use throttle body cleaner since the carb cleaner could mess up the throttle body. Someone said we have a plastic film on the inside of the throttle body.

[Marauderjack]

I thought the spring inside the PCV Valve could go bad. I also have read that there is no way of knowing how good the spring is inside the PCV Valve.

I also thought that we needed to use throttle body cleaner since the carb cleaner could mess up the throttle body. Someone said we have a plastic film on the inside of the throttle body.

Take your PCV valve apart and then ask about the spring going bad.....Very weak and I don't think so!!:shake: Buy a new one if you must!!:cool:

Read what I said about carb cleaner...mine doesn't have any coating anywhere!!!:rolleyes:

[Marylandrauder]

If that's the case, then all I need to do is clean the PCV Valve every once in awhile.

[Marauderjack]

If that's the case, then all I need to do is clean the PCV Valve every once in awhile.

That's what I do.....:beer:

I takes A BUNCH of blowby to gunk up a PCV and intake!!:eek:

Good Luck!!

[fastblackmerc]

I would guess the best 1 too buy would be the Ford Motorcraft PCV Valve.

Where can I pick this up, the dealer, and does anyone have a part number.

Try your closest FLAPS.

[Marauderjack]

I would guess the best 1 too buy would be the Ford Motorcraft PCV Valve.

Where can I pick this up, the dealer, and does anyone have a part number.

Try these guys....

[Tucker]

How many times down the 1320 @ 18 lbs of boost have you had? The oil in the intake issues has been noted on several car sites. There have been some interesting ideas to fixing the problem. Chris and I have read a ton of threads and we have chosen a solution to test based on race results. If it doesn't work, I will be the first to tell you it's snake oil, but the problem is real. Unless you take your intake out on a regular basis you really don't know.


Wanted to take this opurtunity and give you guys my honest opinion on this controversial piece of equipment. Controversial because there are a few who said that this does not work where others swear by it.

I can tell you that I have been running a Steeda Oil Separator for quite a few now. It worked well, and I collected about ¼ or a bit more of the capacity of the container in about 1 month or so of use (all depending on how hard I drove the car), but I was always worried about vapors and oil passing thru this system and contaminating the system specially when running Nitrous or at the top end.

So, I keep reading about this pre-filter and I got off my a$$ about one month ago I ordered one of these JLT Pre-PCV filters trying to clean up my PCV return even further from oil and other contaminants. I can tell you that my Steeda Oil Separator is completely clean with NO trace of oil.

As you guys know, oil in the combustion chamber will aid in detonation and will cause havoc with your AF and eventually with your tune.

The Pre-PCV filter installs in seconds and the fit and finish is outstanding. I got mine in black since I painted my FR500 intake cover black along with my valve covers and timing cover.

Upon inspection the filter is completely enclosed in an aluminum case, and inside has a re-usable stainless filter that traps vapor and excess oil not allowing it to go beyond the PCV valve. I think that I have about 1000 miles on the filter since I have been driving the crap out the car in the past few weeks. The filter came with everything including a factory type rubber seal for the PCV valve to seal.
Great feedback, thank you:beer:

Yes, you will get oil from both sides, not just the PCV side. Unfortunatly on the Marauder the JLT Pre Filter will not fit, but one sides better then none. What would work best is to use a seperator on that side and a JLT Pre filter on the drivers.

Zack,
Putting a breather on the drivers side is fine, but putting them on both can cause the breathers to fill with oil fast and give you the oil smell. Not worth it IMO.

I'm glad you guys are using our filters and are seeing the difference in oil.

The amount of oil you get is dependent on the amount of blow by. Add a S/C and you should do something. N/A and it's still cheap insurance.

Thanks all
Jay

[Marylandrauder]

Why won't this fit on the PCV Valve side or passenger side of the engine, is this because of the hood.

[Tucker]

Due to the bolt down style PCV valve and the hood.

Thanks
Jay

[Embassy]

I just decided to pick up one.

[rayjay]

I still have a JLT gift cert from MVV, maybe I should get one too. April isn't that far away. :D

[Marylandrauder]

I went ahead and put mine on today, and I am glad that I did. My Marauder is stock and I drive it conservatively. I was very surprised when I took the Breather Tube off that some oil came out. The oil was on the breather tube area that attaches to the valve cover grommet. It seems even normal driving can push some oil mist out of the valve cover.

I feel that this is a great mod, even more so for people who drive there Marauder's hard. I am sure that it is not a good thing too get oil mist in the throttle body which could lead too problems down the road.

[Marylandrauder]

I have been checking my gas mileage since I put this JLT PCV Valve Pre Filter on and I am getting a little bit better gas mileage.

Before I was averaging about 23.5 m.p.g. and now I am averaging about 24.3 m.p.g.

[Marauderjack]

I have been checking my gas mileage since I put this JLT PCV Valve Pre Filter on and I am getting a little bit better gas mileage.

Before I was averaging about 23.5 m.p.g. and now I am averaging about 24.3 m.p.g.

How in the world can a PCV "Pre-Filter" improve fuel economy????:rolleyes:

[252life]

How much does the the JLT prefilter reduce the air flow?
Is there no risk of pressure buildup (causing oil leaks) or sludge buildup in the crankcase?
I guess there is no problem, unless you forget to clean the filter?

[O's Fan Rich]

How in the world can a PCV "Pre-Filter" improve fuel economy????:rolleyes:

Cleaner burns?

Or maybe the install cured a vac leak?

Or maybe it helped with crankcase pressure relief?

Or maybe .... nah.... that's all I got, MJ.

[Marauderjack]

Cleaner burns?

Or maybe the install cured a vac leak?

Or maybe it helped with crankcase pressure relief?

Or maybe .... nah.... that's all I got, MJ.

One more Rich......"Experimental Error"??:confused:

[Marylandrauder]

Hey guys, this is Marylandrauder's son, my only thought is maybe this device is keeping the oil mist out of the throttle body and I am getting a cleaner burn.

I did not put this on to improve gas mileage, I just wanted to keep the throttle body cleaner if I could, my small block chevy has a filter on the breather tube going to the carburetor, so I think our cars should have 1 too.

[88LTDCV351]

I bought one of these JLT oil seperators when I read these threads. I took the hose off, easy enough. But when I tried to take the other black thing off, I got a blister on my fingers from trying for a long time to twist, turn or pull it out. Does it not come out? Looks like its supposed to come out and then go on top of the JLT oil seperator and then reattach the hose. I couldn't find anything about it in my shop manual.

[Marylandrauder]

I bought one of these JLT oil seperators when I read these threads. I took the hose off, easy enough. But when I tried to take the other black thing off, I got a blister on my fingers from trying for a long time to twist, turn or pull it out. Does it not come out? Looks like its supposed to come out and then go on top of the JLT oil seperator and then reattach the hose. I couldn't find anything about it in my shop manual.

Try screwing it into the black gromett that is on there, that is what I did.

Its been a while since I installed it, so that is what I think I did, I will go out and look at mine tommorow, did you read the directions that came with the Pre Filter.

[88LTDCV351]

I looked at the Mach 1 section on the instructions that came with the seperator. The picture is black and white so I'm not to clear on that part. After looking at the picture in this thread, it looks like its on top of the seperator.

[fastblackmerc]

If you are installing in the left side cam cover, the factory fitting just pops right out, the separator pops in it's place and the hose goes to the top of the JLT. The fitting should just come out of the hose by pulling and twisting it.