Heinous Motorsports Control Arms have arrived!

[offroadkarter]

Hopefully i can get these on soon, they look great :D

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http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e185/offroadkarter/Marauder%20Mods/IMG_0595.jpg
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[Hacklemerc]

I like those... What was the cost? Lets see them on the car...

[Zack]

Where are the grease zerks?

[offroadkarter]

I like those... What was the cost? Lets see them on the car...
they were 400 new with a 25% discount


Where are the grease zerks?

No grease zerks, they are graphite impregnated, so much so that there is excess around the bushing and its some sticky *****.

[fastblackmerc]

Graphite shouldn't be sticky.

[offroadkarter]

Graphite shouldn't be sticky.

Whatever grease they used, is. Im just going by what i read before.

[Blk Mamba]

How much do they weigh?

[magindat]

Oh - he's saying there's graphite in the grease.

[magindat]

How much do they weigh?

Who cares on a car this heavy?!

[Blk Mamba]

Who cares on a car this heavy?!

I do, or I would not ask.

[Zack]

Without the grease zerks, I will bet on an early bushing failure.

[Glenn]

So why not Metco?? The curious are asking!!!

Glenn :burnout:

[Bobmiddle]

I am very interested in how these will hold up.
Do the oem control arms have zerk fittings?
I have seen Metco bushings fail so....
There has already been a big debate on this subject so at least he is going to try them out and tell all of us how it ends up.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Zacks ftw! factory bushings, good steel construction,

[offroadkarter]

Without the grease zerks, I will bet on an early bushing failure.

If these are bad CA's, why would reinhart be selling them to the MM community?


So why not Metco?? The curious are asking!!!

Glenn :burnout:

I got em from ADTR with 25% off since the supplier needs them gone.

Otherwise i would have bought metco's, i cant argue with the price :D


Trash - when i get the OEM's off ill compare them to see which is heavier.

[2ndMDRebel]

What material are they made from? Steel? Looks like alot of material missing from those holes.

[offroadkarter]

What material are they made from? Steel? Looks like alot of material missing from those holes.


T-6061 aluminum

[Zack]

If these are bad CA's, why would reinhart be selling them to the MM community?


I didnt say then were bad, but given the fact they are fairly new on the market and do not have much 'street time' on ANY Marauder, I think my question has merit.

[2,4shofast]

Glad someone is trying to go another route, Im interested to see how these hold up....Keep us informed!

[ctrlraven]

Without the grease zerks, I will bet on an early bushing failure.


What material are they made from? Steel? Looks like alot of material missing from those holes.

I told him the same things when he talked to me a while ago about them lol.

Anything with a poly bushing needs grease. I know when my sway bars need them cause I'll hear a certain kind of squeak sound.

[freakstatus]

T-6061 aluminum

I had a mountain bike made from that stuff. GT Zaskar. Good bike.

[offroadkarter]

Its not impossible to add a grease zerg you know

[Blk Mamba]

If these are bad CA's, why would reinhart be selling them to the MM community?



I got em from ADTR with 25% off since the supplier needs them gone.

Otherwise i would have bought metco's, i cant argue with the price :D



Trash - when i get the OEM's off ill compare them to see which is heavier.


Thanks, I'm in the process of making mine now and am a little concerned about all the material missing, I was going to do a similar design but fewer through holes, that is the best material per weight, and price. Anything better we can't afford

[Hotrauder]

Everything is better than the stock CAs. Everything! However, saving a few dollars on a mod is often a waste of money as at some point down the road we find that the item we saved money on is not as good, is broken or doesn't work as well as the tried and true and proven best answer we should have purchased in the begining. I know we all have to learn the hard way...we all know it is the best way to learn. At least most of us will learn after one lesson that way. The Marauder community has been moding our cars since 2002. Use the search feature and you will find the answer to it all, except why vendors sell the stuff they do. You know the answer to that already. Good luck. Dennis

[larryo340]

Thanks, I'm in the process of making mine now and am a little concerned about all the material missing, I was going to do a similar design but fewer through holes, that is the best material per weight, and price. Anything better we can't afford
Don't worry about the missing material I'm sure they're very strong. Did you know that round hollow support tubes (think basement columns holding your house up) are stronger than a solid tube ?

[offroadkarter]

Don't worry about the missing material I'm sure they're very strong. Did you know that round hollow support tubes (think basement columns holding your house up) are stronger than a solid tube ?



Exactly, they are cut in for extra strength and weight savings

[Joe Walsh]

Exactly, they are cut in for extra strength and weight savings

Just like a jet's airframe...aluminum with LOTS of holes drilled in it.
If the holes are drilled in the correct places, it can still be very strong.

[ImpalaSlayer]

id imagine they will weigh more then the stock ones

[KillJoy]

I am wondering what the advantage is here.

Once on the car, they are not easily seen.

They are pricier than the PHP's I installed.

:dunno:

KillJoy

[KillJoy]

I didnt say then were bad, but given the fact they are fairly new on the market and do not have much 'street time' on ANY Marauder, I think my question has merit.


EBC Brakes come to mind.....

:help:

KillJoy

[GordonB]

FWIW,
I have had Mac & Zacks rear CAs with factory bushings on both cars since new.
But, I have to say that the ones in the photos here look nice!
GordonB

[offroadkarter]

I am wondering what the advantage is here.

Once on the car, they are not easily seen.

They are pricier than the PHP's I installed.

:dunno:

KillJoy



If these are pricier than the PHP's you got, then metco's would be also.

[KillJoy]

If these are pricier than the PHP's you got, then metco's would be also.


I paid $300 for the PHP's.... no zerx...... but still....

:dunno:

KillJoy

[offroadkarter]

I paid $300 for the PHP's.... no zerx...... but still....

:dunno:

KillJoy



So then they weren't more, they were the same price

http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg

[BigCars4Ever]

Without the grease zerks, I will bet on an early bushing failure.
I used polygraphites in the control arms of a 92 vic. I eventually put zerks in not because of wear but the noise was driving me crazy.

[Vortech347]

Zerk fittings are a MUST on any street driven control arm.

[Zack]

Zerk fittings are a MUST on any street driven control arm.

You meant to add: with poly bushings, right? :confused:

[Vortech347]

Yes sir....

Can't do that to stock style bushings it'll eat through them.

[Zack]

Just curious where you got these CA's and who would sell them without a grease zerk.

How much testing on a Marauder was done before they were released to the public?

[KillJoy]

they were 400 new with a 25% discount


So then they weren't more, they were the same price


I guess I mis-read your price then. I read it as $533.33 new, but I got 25% Off.

;)

KillJoy

[offroadkarter]

Just curious where you got these CA's and who would sell them without a grease zerk.

How much testing on a Marauder was done before they were released to the public?


I got them from ADTR.net, they are the same one reinhart sells, if you really want to know about them just call him

[O's Fan Rich]

I noticed on one vendors site ( not here) that Metcos and these are the same price.
The listing syas " no grease needed" for the Heinous units.

I had to replace my Metco bushings recently, because I messed up the install and have used grease to heavily! Not because they were bad units... just a stupid user.

[Zack]

I noticed on one vendors site ( not here) that Metcos and these are the same price.
The listing syas " no grease needed" for the Heinous units.

I had to replace my Metco bushings recently, because I messed up the install and have used grease to heavily! Not because they were bad units... just a stupid user.

Rich, would you care to explain how you can overgrease a bushing?

Serioiusly, I dont know, nor have I ever heard of that, since grease comes out the side when it is over capacity.

[O's Fan Rich]

Rich, would you care to explain how you can overgrease a bushing?

Serioiusly, I dont know, nor have I ever heard of that, since grease comes out the side when it is over capacity.

Zack, it was explained to me that by pumping them up with too much grease, It causes a hydraulic action forcing them to distort. Remember these are two part busings and the zerk introduces grease in the seam between them, pushing them outward. Combine that with the TIGHT fit of the bushings in the arms, it does the deed.
When I took them apart, I could see the truth in this. But the start of it all was torquing them down on the lift with the axle unloaded. When I redid them, the ride improved immensely and the handling was better.

From now on, i'm just gonna hit them once and move on.

[O's Fan Rich]

Oh, wanted to say that those control arms are very good looking units.

I'd love to do a compare on my car to Zack's though.

[Vortech347]

With the movement they do any pressure in the grease would surely be released and they'd "bleed out"

$500 for non-adjustable control arms? Holy crap...I'm in the wrong business. I need ot start making them.

[O's Fan Rich]

With the movement they do any pressure in the grease would surely be released and they'd "bleed out"



You'd think that. You'd also think they'd loosen up, move around even if torqued down.
That was not my experience. The damage was significant.

[Zack]

No offense Rich, but Im not buying the bushing failure due to over greasing them.

If the grease had no where to escape, then in theory, the CA's and bushings could be sealed from the factory and be a 'non-service' unit.

So ask yourself this... If the grease isnt going anywhere, then why do they need to be greased from time to time?

Bottom line, Mustangs blow out poly bushings all the time. Its the nature of the beast. Put a rock solid bushing in a control arm that doesnt flex, coupled to the shaft its molded over...apply gobs of torque and whats gonna give? Thats right! The bushing!

And that is the very reason we utilized the stock rubber bushings (that flex) for our design.


It is my honest opinion that you are the first of many failures to come.
..again, just my opinion.

[a_d_a_m]

hey tony,


T-6061 aluminum

i shoulda bet a beer on that!

[offroadkarter]

It is my honest opinion that you are the first of many failures to come.
..again, just my opinion.


Thanks for the words of confidence coming from the one who cant fix the tune in Trilogy #33 to get it to pass NJ inspection. :flamer:


If my bushings blow out and cause massive catastrophic failure, you will be the first to know :up:

Since your an expert on building control arms, would you say that adding 2 grease zerg's per bushing like on the metco's would prevent bushing failure? Or could i be able to put the OEM bushings in w/o having to put zergs in.

[teamrope]

Between the wife and myself, we have put a combined total of over 160K miles on the Mac & Zack control arms with no issues.

NONE! ZIP! ZILCH! ZERO! NADA!

:beer:

[DOOM]

Nice looking control arms.

[O's Fan Rich]

No offense Rich, but Im not buying the bushing failure due to over greasing them.

If the grease had no where to escape, then in theory, the CA's and bushings could be sealed from the factory and be a 'non-service' unit.

So ask yourself this... If the grease isnt going anywhere, then why do they need to be greased from time to time?

Bottom line, Mustangs blow out poly bushings all the time. Its the nature of the beast. Put a rock solid bushing in a control arm that doesnt flex, coupled to the shaft its molded over...apply gobs of torque and whats gonna give? Thats right! The bushing!

And that is the very reason we utilized the stock rubber bushings (that flex) for our design.


It is my honest opinion that you are the first of many failures to come.
..again, just my opinion.

None taken.
When I'd push grease into them, the bushings would bulge out. If this was even a temporary thing, it could damage the busings or at least get things started. Then my GOBS of torque ( wish I had more) would finish them off.

You did see the pictures I posted in the thread about this on mcm right?
Nasty.

This explained to me why my car would slide to the left in the burnout videos I have. That and the squeak got me to look at them.

[KillJoy]

Thanks for the words of confidence coming from the one who cant fix the tune in Trilogy #33 to get it to pass NJ inspection. :flamer:

Each State tests emmissions differently. Some just look to see if the Check Engine Light is on. Others make sure P1000 is not on. Some just visually verify you have Cats. In some States, it is County by County (like here in OH). The guys up north have to get inspected. I, however, do not.

Was Zack aware of this non-smogability issue? I doubt it, otherwise I am SURE it would have been delt with already. :rolleyes:

KillJoy

[Zack]

Thanks for the words of confidence coming from the one who cant fix the tune in Trilogy #33 to get it to pass NJ inspection. :flamer:


If my bushings blow out and cause massive catastrophic failure, you will be the first to know :up:

Since your an expert on building control arms, would you say that adding 2 grease zerg's per bushing like on the metco's would prevent bushing failure? Or could i be able to put the OEM bushings in w/o having to put zergs in.

Im not versed enough in a poly setup to know how and where to place the zerks, sorry. What I WOULD like to see is the company's testing sheet with the mileage they put on these things before releasing them to the public. In the end, its YOUR life, not mine :rolleyes:

As for the Trilogy car passing the smog, whats that got to do with me? As with every other vehicle Ive sold, my phone is ALWAYS on to answer questions. Martin has not contacted me yet, so how would i know there is an issue?

And this is a first..... PM SENT

[BigCars4Ever]

Screw the poly bushings. Put in a Delryn or Nylon. That should tighten up the back end.

[Joe Walsh]

Screw the poly bushings. Put in a Delryn or Nylon. That should tighten up the back end.

And then some!!!

Those materials are as close to solid bushings as you can get!

[ImpalaSlayer]

im sure if who ever bought t33 contacted Zack he would reply. hes always replyed answers to my stupid questions.