295s on stock wheels?

[ImpalaSlayer]

ive herd of a few people doing this but how safe is it? would the tires wana roll over in the turns? i do alota hard cornering and would rather not find out the hard way.

[Local Boy]

Don't do it Dave...

Go get yours widened...

You and your loved ones are well worth the cost and peace of mind...

BTW: I really like those side mirrors...

Did you install them your self? Easy? Where you get them?

ALOHA

[ImpalaSlayer]

thats kinda what i was thinking Randy. as for the mirrors, how can you see em?> the signal part is on the mirrior side. but no i didnt install them nor to i kno where do get em, they were on the car when i got it. but i do love em. they both come on when the brakes are hit also

[magindat]

thats kinda what i was thinking Randy. as for the mirrors, how can you see em?> the signal part is on the mirrior side. but no i didnt install them nor to i kno where do get em, they were on the car when i got it. but i do love em. they both come on when the brakes are hit also

Muth

I installed the ones for Hotrauder. It ain't easy.

[Local Boy]

I saw them in some other pics of your car, and always admired them...so, I thought of asking...I would love to get those on mine as well..Those (mirrors) are AWESOME!!!

Your car is coming along really nice my friend...Big-ups to you brutha!!!

ALOHA

Just saw Rich's post...Looks like I'll be giving you a shout Rich...Stay tuned...:beer:

[ImpalaSlayer]

thanks Randy. means alot. ill try to get some pics with them lit up

[Local Boy]

Those pic's will only make me hurt more...LOL

Your killing me Dave!!!...I want those mirrors!!!

ALOHA

Sorry, didn't mean to steer off topic (295's / rims)...

[KillJoy]

I've got them on the rears..... no issue with MY driving style!

:rofl:

KillJoy

[ImpalaSlayer]

ill trade you cars lol

[magindat]

I saw them in some other pics of your car, and always admired them...so, I thought of asking...I would love to get those on mine as well..Those (mirrors) are AWESOME!!!

Your car is coming along really nice my friend...Big-ups to you brutha!!!

ALOHA

Just saw Rich's post...Looks like I'll be giving you a shout Rich...Stay tuned...:beer:

any time brah

Just saw you on TV - Fifty First Dates ha ha!!!:D

Sorry for the hijack, slayer

[Blk Mamba]

I've got them on the rears..... no issue with MY driving style!

:rofl:

KillJoy


What is the aspect ratio, I have stock fronts, and don't want to screw up the anti-lock brakes.

[fastblackmerc]

What is the aspect ratio, I have stock fronts, and don't want to screw up the anti-lock brakes.

You won't screwup the ABS.... You will screwup the traction control if you have an '04.

[TiTo35]

Sweet signature pic...

[RoyLPita]

I have them on mine. Red had them on his. And here is a pic of DR's from the last picnic when I got my rears.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l120/JohnTrogdon/SSM%20Picnic/IMG_0106.jpg

[KillJoy]

I will get the tire sizes I run tomorrow....

KillJoy

[red]

You won't screwup the ABS.... You will screwup the traction control if you have an '04.
Yes, you can screw up ABS if the revolutions are far enough off. The traction control is just more sensitive to changes.

[Blk Mamba]

I'm running stock fronts, and would like to run a bigger tire on the rear, than stock. The 285/50/18 is 29.3" Dia., as opposed to the stock 245/55/18 that is 28.5". Is that to big a difference? (I have a '03 300A, no traction control)

[red]

I have them on mine. Red had them on his. And here is a pic of DR's from the last picnic when I got my rears.
'tis true. I loved the way they looked, but as I've stated in the past, there was squish (sidewall flex) due to squeezing such a large tire on a relatively small rim. I believe Reinhart still uses and sells them.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/2/7/5/hankook-front_view.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/2/7/5/hankook-back_view.jpg

[red]

I'm running stock fronts, and would like to run a bigger tire on the rear, than stock. The 285/50/18 is 29.3" Dia., as opposed to the stock 245/55/18 that is 28.5". Is that to big a difference? (I have a '03 300A, no traction control)
That's a lot of tire and will have a lot of flex. 255/55R18 size has quite a few good (and grippy) options that will provide suitable traction for any N/A setup and some S/C setups. If you really want a wider tire, you should consider getting your rims widened or wider wheels as you will not be taking full advantage of the added section width.

[ImpalaSlayer]

so i think the general consensus is its better to get em widened if you really wana push em? I want no chance that that ****er will roll off because the rim is too small

[TAKEDOWN]

any time brah

Just saw you on TV - Fifty First Dates ha ha!!!:D

Sorry for the hijack, slayer

You see the size of that Samoan?

[TAKEDOWN]

'tis true. I loved the way they looked, but as I've stated in the past, there was squish (sidewall flex) due to squeezing such a large tire on a relatively small rim. I believe Reinhart still uses and sells them.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/2/7/5/hankook-front_view.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/2/7/5/hankook-back_view.jpg

Those do look better!

[Blackmobile]

Well I guess someone is going to have to run that setup kinda hard to see what they will do. I'll volunteer after I burn up my next set of tires. :D

[red]

My recommendation is widened (or wider replacement) wheels if you plan to run 295s. I ran them on stock rims and they look good. I don't think they perform nearly as good as some 255 combinations (e.g., GS-D3 and KDW NT). Are they better than bald stock tires? Most likely. RoyLPita, Reinhart, and others currently running this setup can provide their input and people can make their decisions accordingly.

[Ms. Denmark]

How wide a tire set up can you have in the stock wheel tubes (rear) before you get into rub issues? Just curious.

[red]

How wide a tire set up can you have in the stock wheel tubes (rear) before you get into rub issues? Just curious.
That depends on several factors, including wheel offset/backspacing, suspension travel, ride height, etc. On a stock marauder and assuming stock suspension and 18" rims, you can comfortably fit 28" x 11.5" or 295/45 tires. You can definitely go wider and taller, but there are several wheel/suspension variables to consider.

[RoyLPita]

I keep mine at 40lbs so there is no real flex. I like how they look and I'll do it again when these wear out.

[ctrlraven]

So you guys fit a 295 series on the stock 8" wheel?

[red]

That depends on several factors, including wheel offset/backspacing, suspension travel, ride height, etc. On a stock marauder and assuming stock suspension and 18" rims, you can comfortably fit 28" x 11.5" or 295/45 tires. You can definitely go wider and taller, but there are several wheel/suspension variables to consider.
For clarification, I was saying that on 18" diameter [widened] wheels you can fit these comfortably in the wheel well, with the correct wheel offset / backspacing.

[Blk Mamba]

I'm looking at some 285/50/18ZR Continental's, They come on the Land Rover, and have good feedback, anyone know anything about them.

[Joe Walsh]

So you guys fit a 295 series on the stock 8" wheel?

You can, and MarauderMark has done so, but a P295 is NOT recommended on an 8" rim...9.5" is the minimum width specified.

[Dennis Reinhart]

ive herd of a few people doing this but how safe is it? would the tires wana roll over in the turns? i do alota hard cornering and would rather not find out the hard way.


I have them on mine there perfect

[KillJoy]

9.5" is the minimum width specified.


And the Speed Limit is 65 (where I live).

:rofl:

KillJoy

[Breadfan]

Guys I don't care who you are 295 on a stock MM rim is NOT safe.

There's certain areas you shouldn't bend the rules too much and losing a tire isn't worth the gamble.

I could possibly see 275's or 285's IF they were designed with a narrow contact patch or sidewall construction that had the beads closer in. 265 is the tops for the MM stock width rim anything above that is bending the rules. I know some say they work perfectly but yeah they work great until that one day you have a serious issue from running way to wide a tire for the rim.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Dam, I am going to run right across the street in the morning because these tires are unsafe and do not fit

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/IMG_1662.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/IMG_1663.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/IMG_1665.jpg

I am sure glad I was not hurt in the 10,000 miles I have put on these.

[imorb1994]

I sense a little tension in that there post:poke:

[Bradley G]

10K an there's still tread?

Dam, I am going to run right across the street in the morning because these tires are unsafe and do not fit

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/IMG_1662.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/IMG_1663.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/6/IMG_1665.jpg

I am sure glad I was not hurt in the 10,000 miles I have put on these.

[justbob]

The 265 40's i just put on (stock rims) almost look too narrow. I don't see why you couldn't up it a little.

[sd8683]

The 265 40's i just put on (stock rims) almost look too narrow. I don't see why you couldn't up it a little.

I thought the same thing when I saw them on mike's car, they did'nt look wider than my 255's, but those tire's hook up great

[Breadfan]

Dam, I am going to run right across the street in the morning because these tires are unsafe and do not fit







I am sure glad I was not hurt in the 10,000 miles I have put on these.


Regardless of how that's working out for you I still disagree with recommending these especially from a business perspective. You don't have to look long or hard to see that the engineers have stated the minimum rim width for a 295 width tire is 9.5". The MM rim is 8" - that's a difference of 1.5"

Now, more than likely, as many have proved, you may not have an issue. And sure, in 10,000 miles of no issues it's easy to think all is well.

But, you ARE increasing the chances of tire failure by increasing the internal stresses caused by having the bead too far in from the rest of the tire. Add into that aging and you're raising the risk for tire failure even more.

IF you consider all the variables you will begin to understand why the engineers stated a 9.5" minimum. It has nothing to do with whether or not it WORKS but whether or not you can get a reasonable guaruntee it won't fail during the life of the tire.

So make an equation considering 295 on a 8" rim, add in variables such as tire age, heat, decay, improper maintenance or wrong/under inflation, and all of a sudden the possible % of failure goes up.

And to make matters worse, tires vary - it's well known a 295 from one maker may be slightly different in width than a 295 of another maker. Not to mention quality differences - yeah, more variables.

So yeah it works but I don't think anyone should recommend them as perfect without letting people know from an engineering standpoint there is a higher risk. Regardless of how well they roll one cannot deny this is correct.

I would recommend rim widening be seriously considered for anyone who wants to run a 275 or higher tire on the stock wheel.

[justbob]

I thought the same thing when I saw them on mike's car, they did'nt look wider than my 255's, but those tire's hook up great


Yes they do:D

[RR|Suki]

I don't understand the benefit for a 295 radial tire on an 8 inch rim... are you really using the entire contact patch when they are inflated properly? :confused:

[Vortech347]

I auto-x'd on a course that was over 1 minute long, and was NASTY... I made 20 runs between myself, wife, and taking people for rides (no one had seen an MM auto-x before) Forth Horseman was there and watched. I had VERY fat 285/50/18's on. Not a HINT of tire roll with 45psi in the rears. Ran great, no issues at all.

On my foxbody I'm running 275's on a 8" wide.

FYI. The stock tires on my 04 wabble a hell of alot more than the 285 Toyo's did.

Also keep in mind I don't think I'd run anything fatter than a 245/255 up front. That could get a little scary..

[Marauderjack]

Also keep in mind I don't think I'd run anything fatter than a 245/255 up front. That could get a little scary..

Why is that??:confused:

[ROB502]

295/??/18 fill in the blank. :confused:

[KillJoy]

295/45/18

:D

KillJoy

[Joe Walsh]

I auto-x'd on a course that was over 1 minute long, and was NASTY... I made 20 runs between myself, wife, and taking people for rides (no one had seen an MM auto-x before) Forth Horseman was there and watched. I had VERY fat 285/50/18's on. Not a HINT of tire roll with 45psi in the rears. Ran great, no issues at all.
On my foxbody I'm running 275's on a 8" wide.

FYI. The stock tires on my 04 wabble a hell of alot more than the 285 Toyo's did.

Also keep in mind I don't think I'd run anything fatter than a 245/255 up front. That could get a little scary..

Exactly...If you look at the P285/50/18 tires, many are rated to be mounted on an 8" rim....NO P295/45/18 are rated to be mounted on an 8" rim.
I was considering the Hankook Ventus P285/50/18 because it is rated on an 8" rim.

[KillJoy]

Speed Limits in most places are 65 - 70.

I am sure NO ONE HERE EVER goes over that. :rolleyes:

If you want to do it, do it. There is a chance the tire could pop off the bead. Several here run it w/o issue.

YMMV.

:beer:

KillJoy

[Blk Mamba]

I just got my 285/50/18's yesterday, they are mammoth, I'll mount them, and then when the fronts go I'll put maybe 265/45/18's on the front.

[dpotter]

I'm going to have my OEM rears widened to 9.5". I'd like to run the 295/45/18, will these affect the TC at all? Will I need spacers or anything?

Thanks,

[ImpalaSlayer]

potter, i belive that is the size that will work with all that crap.

[dpotter]

Perfect, thanks.

[DTRMiguel]

Our rims are 8" correct?

[KillJoy]

Our rims are 8" correct?

Yes.

KillJoy

[DTRMiguel]

Thank you sir

[red]

Dam, I am going to run right across the street in the morning because these tires are unsafe and do not fit

I am sure glad I was not hurt in the 10,000 miles I have put on these
Great rationale.


I would recommend rim widening be seriously considered for anyone who wants to run a 275 or higher tire on the stock wheel.
I absolutely agree.

[Blackmobile]

Dam, I am going to run right across the street in the morning because these tires are unsafe and do not fit
I am sure glad I was not hurt in the 10,000 miles I have put on these.


Great rationale.



After 10,000 miles of Trial, What do you want, a writen statement from the Pope that it can work? My tires rarely last That long. I take my hat off to those who think outside the box.

[red]

After 10,000 miles of Trial, What do you want, a writen statement from the Pope that it can work? My tires rarely last That long. I take my hat off to those who think outside the box.
My GS-D3s have over 20k miles on them, but that doesn't necessarily support the argument that they're safe. It just means I've been fortunate. We are not the engineers who are responsible for the materials, construction, and testing of the 295 tires being discussed. Even if we were, it doesn't mean we understand how operating them outside of specification will effect their reliability and safety. However, we can read the recommendations that the engineers have created. An argument of "it's worked for me" adds nothing to the conversation and just detracts from the fact that people are significantly exceeding the recommendations of the manufacturer.