03 MARAUDER WITH 351 cleveland

[MMARAUDER]

hey guys whats up could anyone tell me what all i would have to do to take my grandfathers killer engine an drop it in my marauder please help me out give as much info as possible

[Ken]

Wait till Zack is finished with his bathroom! :lol: He'll give you some advice.

Ken

[O's Fan Rich]

It'd be a foolish thing to do.

[MMARAUDER]

not doubtin you or anything but why?

[Pops]

You can do a killer motor with the 4.6 in the car. It would take a lot of modifactions to put the other motor in.

[Black_Noise]

you light was well do it to another panther, not ruin an MM

[MMARAUDER]

alrite then say if i buy another one with a crazy amount of miles on it an i want a project what would i have to do???

[O's Fan Rich]

It's a large task that will take custom fabrication skills. I KNOW I could do it. I'm just experienced enough to say It'd be foolish.
You have 6 posts here, we don't know who you are.
Why don't you tell us all about yourself first, then ask this type of question?
Otherwise, my personal thoughts are that you're just goofing off.

[MMARAUDER]

well im 22 i love from florida i love fast cars. my gramps used to race way back when he's a retired mechanic an he has a rebuilt 351 that i've been in love with since the first time i heard him fire it up its been sitting in his garage for quite some time an i wanna project to work on u know something nobody has ever done an have something nobody has plus i think it would be bad ass but im serious about this i hate wastin ppls time

[Joe Walsh]

Lots of custom fabrication, but it could be done.

Custom motor mounts

Custom exhaust

Custom ignition

Custom coolant lines and hoses

What transmission do want to put behind it?

Probably a custom driveshaft

Carburated or fuel injected?

Most importantly: How are you going to interface the OEM computer with an 'Old School' engine? (without killing or bypassing most of the OEM computer's functions.)

As was said by other posters:
Probably NOT a wise engine swap...But

You can do anything if you have enough time and money!

I'd like to see you attempt it because I've been dreaming of dropping a Ford Big Block in my Marauder for some time now...:rolleyes:

[Black_Noise]

also if going carb style then your going to have to redo all the gauges, and wiring.

[MMARAUDER]

he has the transmission for it an to be honest with u im that that knowledgable about cars that why i got my gramps but i think would turn some heads he's got the carb scoops with it an everything wouldn't mind havin that showin on top of my hood

[Blk Mamba]

Why dont you put that in an old monarch or something.

[Krytin]

Go to Factory 5 Racing and pick out one of their kits for something not everyone else has. Your 351 will bolt right in!

[offroadkarter]

put the 351 in a box panther if you want a sedan, or put it in a fox body.

not really right in a MM, wouldnt be as fast w/o more money either.

[MMARAUDER]

i dont want it in a monarch i want a custon ride thats my own an thanks for the site

[MMARAUDER]

anybody know about how much it would run me to go through with this??

[3rdcoastmrauder]

Id say leave the rauder be and pick up an old police interceptor or something like that.

[MMARAUDER]

i know what u guys are sayin about leavin the car alone but i want 1 thats gonna be my daily a 2 b an 1 to just show off on the weekends thats all i want

[Master]

1985 LTD. Ultimate sleeper and they came with the 302 anyway, so the Windsor wouldn't be much of a stretch. Its a Fox body, so Tons of Mustang parts would swap right in. Anyone care to comment on this idea?

[MMARAUDER]

not tryin to be all rude i just want to know how much its gonna cost an what needs 2 be done

[justbob]

That would all depond on your fabrication skills and how much labor you would have to pay when you get stuck on the many problems that you will encounter. Of course this could be done and i get what your after but in the end there is a good chance that your MM will be slower and way less reliable. You may posses the necessary skills for this but we don't know you, your background, schooling, tools, shop equipment? So please don't take offense to any criticizing. The fact is if you don't posses any of this then someone in the end will end up getting a cheap project car thats a basket case. And if you do have these qualities then you'd allready know what your in for and the cost it could entail.

So with all that aside do what you want and we'll try to help when called upon.:beer:

[ctrlraven]

Put the 351 in a foxbody mustang and call it a day.

[FordNut]

Rough estimate $6000.

[TooManyFords]

Better rough estimate: $1500.

Everthing doesn't cost an arm and a leg to get some custom motor mounts made. I would bet that a pair of headers for a 70 torino or mustang would work with the swap. You just have to wire the ignition switch to a solenoid for the starter, use a low pressure regulator and return line to the tank for fuel and go.

This really doesn't sound like that hard of a swap.

The tranny and motor mounts are the only fab work that will take some engineering. Get your grandpa involved and listen to him. He'll have a bunch of old-school ways to get around problems.


And FYI, it never ceases to amaze me how the members here always see something new and different as the glass half empty. You can do ANYTHING you put your mind to if you remember to think outside the box.

Good luck and be sure to post up pictures as you progress!

john

[ImpalaSlayer]

id love to see an old school motor in a panther mainly a crown vic and not an mm just cuz there are prolly over a million CV's vs mms but thats up to you. good luck.

ps, i think itd be much easier to make it a track car then a street car but thats just me

[whd507]

get a 92 grand marquis, it already has the correct frame for a small block.(even though it had the 4.6, it was 351 ready) get the 03 sheetmetal to make it look like a marauder. there are plenty of box-car 1980-84 carbed panthers to swap fuel system stuff off of for a carbed engine.AOD trans bolts right up.

[offroadkarter]

get a 92 grand marquis, it already has the correct frame for a small block.(even though it had the 4.6, it was 351 ready) get the 03 sheetmetal to make it look like a marauder. there are plenty of box-car 1980-84 carbed panthers to swap fuel system stuff off of for a carbed engine.AOD trans bolts right up.


Cost of 1992 MGM: some peanuts and a beet

Cost of 03-04 MM: 8-15 grand

Do the math

The aero body panthers are also 500+lbs lighter than MM's.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Buy something older to start with. Not worth ruining a modern OBDII car over.

[black beauty]

hi! fellow mm.net members i am new to the mm family i just purchased my marauder a few months ago & found out about this club through research. i have lots of ?'s 1st can anyone tell me how come some of these pro shops keep telling me that 4:10 gears will throw off my computer is that true if so what can i do to solve that?

[duhtroll]

Get a tuner to change the gear ratio.

Done.

Surprised the pro shops didn't tell you that and then try to sell you the tuner.

Sound like amateur shops to me. I am a mechanical moron and I knew that much.


hi! fellow mm.net members i am new to the mm family i just purchased my marauder a few months ago & found out about this club through research. i have lots of ?'s 1st can anyone tell me how come some of these pro shops keep telling me that 4:10 gears will throw off my computer is that true if so what can i do to solve that?

[KillJoy]

hi! fellow mm.net members i am new to the mm family i just purchased my marauder a few months ago & found out about this club through research. i have lots of ?'s 1st can anyone tell me how come some of these pro shops keep telling me that 4:10 gears will throw off my computer is that true if so what can i do to solve that?


Start a new Thread to ask a question that is so Off Topic it is not even funny.

Also, the SEARCH BUTTON is your friend.

And.... WELCOME!!!

To answer your question, it will only effect (affect..... whichever) you speedo. A Tune will correct that.

KillJoy

[GetMeMyStogie]

Is your gramps motor a 351 Cleveland, 351 Windsor, or a 351 Modified? If it's a Windsor, there will be many aftermarket parts available that could help you get a fuel injected setup going. If it's a Cleveland/Modified (Ford made 400M's, but I'm not sure if there were any 351M's), there will be far fewer parts available.
You haven't stated if you expect a fuel injected engine, or carbureted. Putting a carbureted motor into a modern fuelie car like the MM would be a shame, since fuel injection is sooooo much more convenient and reliable, and generally more efficient than a carb. Also, a fuelie-to-carb swap probably violates the anti-smog laws of most provinces/states, so a daily driver this would not be.

I myself have a carb'ed 351Windsor with AOD trans at my disposal, and a '94 MGM to put it in. Even if I had the time and space, I don't think I would do the swap. It might look nice on paper, but the end result would be a car that uses way more gas (about twice as much - I ran the 351w/AOD combo in my '80 Mark VI for about a year, and again in an '86 MGM, and I remember the joy of getting twice as far on a tank of gas when I switched to my '94 MGM with 4.6L SOHC), needs several minutes of warm up time in cold weather, doesn't like to start in damp/wet/dewey conditions, and so on. Getting it work with fuel injection? It'd be cheaper to buy another low-mileage '94 MGM.

It would be quite a learning experience, though. You'll probably make some lifetime friends. That could make it worthwhile, right there.

[RF Overlord]

To answer your question, it will only effect (affect..... whichever) you speedo. It will also affect the shift points.

[bigmerc2003]

Is your gramps motor a 351 Cleveland, 351 Windsor, or a 351 Modified? If it's a Windsor, there will be many aftermarket parts available that could help you get a fuel injected setup going. If it's a Cleveland/Modified (Ford made 400M's, but I'm not sure if there were any 351M's), there will be far fewer parts available.
You haven't stated if you expect a fuel injected engine, or carbureted. Putting a carbureted motor into a modern fuelie car like the MM would be a shame, since fuel injection is sooooo much more convenient and reliable, and generally more efficient than a carb. Also, a fuelie-to-carb swap probably violates the anti-smog laws of most provinces/states, so a daily driver this would not be.

There were 351W's that came from the factory with Fuel injection, the 351C was long gone prior to EFI but there are options like holley's bolt on EFI that uses a throttle body like a 4bbl carbs. The 351M and 400 are the same block different rotating assembly but have a deck height that is 1/2" higher than the 351C and have the big-block bolt pattern for a trans making it hard to get a good trans or and overdrive without an adapter plate. so the same options are there for the 351M and 400 by using a throttle body type injection. The 351M was only called M because it was a motified 400, the 400 has no other names and is not a 400M, but there was a 400c that was a 400 with the small block trans bolt pattern, but they are very rare