97 Grand Marquis With Crate Engine

[FakTorThis]

Ok so I just inherited some money from a deceased relative. So I was going to put in a new motor rear eed and tranny in my car. No I don't want to buy a marauder. But will this crate engine fit in my car hood clearance doesnt matter also what tranny and rear end should I get.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField= 10355

[TAKEDOWN]

I can't answer your question, but that's a mean lookin' engine there!

[ImpalaSlayer]

i know not. but if you do i bet it would be fun

[FakTorThis]

Thats what im going for is fun also i want preferably a automatic because it will be daily driver and drag car

[Raudermaster]

If you get that to fit in your Panther, you're my hero.

[FakTorThis]

Believe me i'll make it fit even if i have to sit in the backseat to drive the car I am putting that motor in this car

[fordman]

You would spend $10,000 on an engine plus whatever a rear end, trans, parts, and labor will run but you won't buy a Marauder and drop a little into a already powerful engine?

Think about it, you kill 2 birds with one stone. Sharpest car on the street plus some mods to make it spit rubber all over the f****n' place( If that's your thing).

[FakTorThis]

See labor wont cost me anything because me and my uncle will do it ourselves and yes i would because i want something nobody has how many times do you go to the drag strip and see a grand marquis with a 600hp motor in it you dont and marauders around where i live are like ass holes everyone has one

[TAKEDOWN]

So you're building Grand Monster/Marquise to destroy and conquer all Marauders?

[sd8683]

Ummmm..... Not sure if you know this but... There was ONLY 11,052 MM's built between 03 and 04, good luck with your project

[ImpalaSlayer]

See labor wont cost me anything because me and my uncle will do it ourselves and yes i would because i want something nobody has how many times do you go to the drag strip and see a grand marquis with a 600hp motor in it you dont and marauders around where i live are like ass holes everyone has one


then maybe your at the wrong place go 600hpgm.com and see what they say :shake:

[UncleLar]

No offense,but I see where you said it'd be your daily driver and I see you're 16.
You really have very little if any "seat time' driving any car and to drop a motor built like that in a street car is going to do at least one of the next two things,drink so much 93 octane you won't be able to drive it around the block unless you own a gas station or possibly get you or someone else killed or maimed from the combination of horsepower and inexperience.
If you're bound and determined to go ahead with this project(which I don't recommend) you'd probably be better served by joining crownvic.net,there are some guys there who've done some radical stuff to their Panther platform cars like your GM.

[CKMustangCobra]

I bet that engine is no bigger than our 4V engines... dimension wise.

[Motorhead350]

I'm telling you right now this is a bad idea. It would be cool, but people have problems getting a 5.4 under the hood of the Marauder and it doesn't clear by one inch. Now you have a bigger engine than a 5.4, this will be even worse. John from John's Sterio did something like that, but he put in another 4.6 in his car (just the Marauder DOHC engine) and he had to go through a ton of trouble and cash just to get it to work. He said if he had to think it over again he wouldn't have done it. You are looking something that will cost you a ton of money and if you are doing this yourself with help from friends/family, it will cost even more time.

When I was 16 I wanted a fast daily driver that had an old school engine too. The truth is it will work, if you keep $200 worth of tools in the trunk and about another $300 worth of spare parts like plug wires, plugs and belts not to mention have a ton of knowledge on the engine and be ready for anything to happen.

If you have enough money to play with, by all means have the time of your life. If you want to do what's best by having a fast four door and the best bang for your buck, buy a Marauder and sup it up. It will cost less, everything will fit and you will have detailed instructions incase you want to do everything or the absolute best bet is to buy KillJoys Marauder... it's already done and running 12s would be something it would do on a hot day.

I know what it's like to be 16 and the best teacher is experience. If you have enough cash you will try this anyway and go right ahead. A Marauder with a blower and a few other do da's makes a great 12 second street car. It's been great for over a year now.

[Leadfoot281]

Since you have a bottomless checkbook and free labor why don't you just contact John Force? I'm sure he'd sell you one of his old funny cars. Putting an alternator, lights and blinkers on one of those should keep your Motor Pool cheif real busy.

Seriously. With gas this cheap why even mess around with a naturally aspirated 521 cubic inch engine?

[Pat]

FacTorThis:

I believe your car is OBDII equipped. That is, the engine and tranny are governed by the car's computer. The picture of the engine in your 1st post is not an OBDII compatible motor, therefore existing vehicle wiring, I believe, will have to be extensively modified.

[Pops]

See labor wont cost me anything because me and my uncle will do it ourselves and yes i would because i want something nobody has how many times do you go to the drag strip and see a grand marquis with a 600hp motor in it you dont and marauders around where i live are like ass holes everyone has one

You are going to see one in the not to distant future! :burnout:

[bigmerc2003]

FacTorThis:

I believe your car is OBDII equipped. That is, the engine and tranny are governed by the car's computer. The picture of the engine in your 1st post is not an OBDII compatible motor, therefore existing vehicle wiring, I believe, will have to be extensively modified.


If you want to run the car track only you might be able to fab up some motor mounts and drivetrain but the engine and trans in a '97 GM are computer controlled, and the trans will not bolt to a BB ford, there may be a spacer but i have not seen one, here are the dimensions for ford engines:

<TABLE borderColor=#ff0000 cellPadding=5 width="75%" align=center border=2><CAPTION align=top>Ford Engine Dimensions</CAPTION><TBODY><TR><TH>Engine Family</TH><TH>LxWxH in inches, without carburetor.</TH><TH>Weight in Lbs.</TH></TR><TR><TD>221-260-289-302</TD><TD>29 x 24 x 27.5</TD><TD>460</TD></TR><TR><TD>Boss 302</TD><TD>29 x 24.5 x 28.5</TD><TD>500</TD></TR><TR><TD>335 Series 351 Cleveland</TD><TD>29 x 25.5 x 27.5</TD><TD>550</TD></TR><TR><TD>351 Windsor</TD><TD>29 x 25 x 29</TD><TD>525</TD></TR><TR><TD>FE Series 352-390-406-410-427-428</TD><TD>32 x 27 x 29</TD><TD>625</TD></TR><TR><TD>Boss 429</TD><TD>34 x 30 x 30</TD><TD>635</TD></TR><TR><TD>385 Series 429-460</TD><TD>34 x 27 x 30</TD><TD>720</TD></TR><TR><TD>427 SOHC</TD><TD>34 x 32 x 30</TD><TD>680</TD></TR><TR><TD>4.6L SOHC or DOHC</TD><TD>36 x 36 x 44</TD><TD>600</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Pops]

Lookin at the chart an FE or a 460 should not be to hard to do. Use a carb and a Ford C6 transmission. Change the guages in the dash. Might not be that hard guys.

[Paul T. Casey]

I'd go with this instead. Probably no fitment issues.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField= 8022

[Pops]

I'd go with this instead. Probably no fitment issues.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField= 8022

Would fit the car but what about the wallet! :D

[Paul T. Casey]

Would fit the car but what about the wallet! :D

It's only money. I have a friend who's an undertaker. He always says, "If you leave any in your pockets, I'll get it."

[Pops]

It's only money. I have a friend who's an undertaker. He always says, "If you leave any in your pockets, I'll get it." That would be easy pickens Paul! :lol:

[Paul T. Casey]

Besides, the Cammer is complete, his in the link is not.

[gdmjoe]

At the risk of feeding the desktop racer wannabe troll :rolleyes: .....

[cougar9150]

Let the Jitterbug do what he wants. Doesn't matter what grown folks say kids know best. :rolleyes:

I would definitly go to a Crown Vic website where people have more experience doing this kind of radical thing to a Panther. I myself have definitly seen more 600+ Hp crown Vic and Grand Marquis than I have seen Marauders putting up those same type of numbers.

That would be because there are alot more Crown Vics and Grand Marquis on the street than Marauders (limited production vehicle like sd8683 said).
If you have so many roaming your area then you should tell some of them to log on and maybe we can organize a meet in this Marauder Mecca.

The one thing both types of vehicles have in common is you can go as fast as your bank account will let you. I went this route with my 91 Cougar when I did a V6 to V8 conversion. More than $16k, less than 2 years the car was stripped and parted out. It wasn't worth the effort, time, or money to keep it running and I learned I should have just bought a car with a V8 and modified that. Unless you are gonna go the completly old school with no computer controls route you are looking a giant headache that will leave you bitter and full of remorse. I'm just finished paying off the stuff I did to the Cougar and haven't driven it for more than 4 years.:(

Do a insane bullitproof rebuild on the current motor,tranny and rearend. Then slap the biggest set of twin turbos your money can buy on it. Guaranteed smiles all around.:burnout:
Good luck either route you decide.