95 Cobra match up for Marauder

[Bradley G]

I was talking with a fellow today who has a 1995 Cobra Mustang, his brother has a Marauder.
He told me that his brother keeps telling him that his Marauder will spank his Cobra Mustang.
The Mustang owner does not feel quite the same way.
The only mods on either car is, the Mustang has a CAI.
The Marauder owner is considering a torque convertor as an performance mod.
I told him it should be a pretty fair race as they sit now.
I also told him with to get a comparo run before the convertor.
It may be his only shot to beat the Marauder, unless he is willing to mod away too.

[Black_Noise]

power to weight=the mustang wins

[Hacklemerc]

My neighbor has a mustang, not sure what year but its an early foxbody convertable. He is interested in a run with the Big Black car. Maybe in the spring we'll give it a go.

[offroadkarter]

power to weight=the mustang wins

95 cobra = 225hp, 1 1/2 ton

[Bradley G]

That very much depends on the real weight of the Mustang.
If you compare the Marauder weight to the high end of the Mustang range.
The Marauder actually has a higher horsepower to weight ratio.
Weight range of the Mustang;3055-3565 @240 hp
Weight of my Marauder 4150 @ stock hp 302
Kinda surprising?

power to weight=the mustang wins

[dpotter]

95 Cobra is not a Fox-body. I'd run him and it would be close with only a Lidio tune and JLT intake.

Hack, run the Fox vert and you should spank it unless it's cammed, headers, etc.

[Black_Noise]

Ive ridden in a 95 cobra with the 4v v-8 and 5sp manual, it felt like it had 40 more horse at the wheels.

[justbob]

It deponds on the race? 0-60 mustang, 1/4 too close to call, top speed forget it Marauder hands down

[Aren Jay]

With the torque multiplication the Marauder might have an edge. Automatic to Automatic. Automatic to Manual if the Mustang does a clutch drop it will make a little bit of difference but the Mustang will go harder earlier.

My 86 Mustang Cobra (Canada only) i had 200 bhp and 285 torque. Didn't weigh very much. It was fairly fast, but not as fast as my Marauder. Pulled hard then tapered off, Marauder pulls not as hard but keeps building and building. On a Quarter mile I would say the Marauder would have an advantage but it will be close. If the Marauder has a Tune that would help.

If the Marauder wants to win put a corner or two in a race and it will trash the straight line racer that most if not all early Mustangs were.

[CROWNMARAUDER]

Ive ridden in a 95 cobra with the 4v v-8 and 5sp manual, it felt like it had 40 more horse at the wheels.


The 1995 mustang cobra has a 5.0 engine. The 4.6 4v started in 1996.

[Bradley G]

Thanks for the correction
95 Cobra is not a Fox-body. I'd run him and it would be close with only a Lidio tune and JLT intake.

Hack, run the Fox vert and you should spank it unless it's cammed, headers, etc.

[Black_Noise]

96 cobra then, i was close

[Glenn]

To just set the record straight the MM will beat the Cobra Mustang. See video!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Mercury-Marauder-vs-03-SC_166582.htm

Glenn :burnout:

[Bradley G]

You can add three + seconds to those ET's for a stock MM & Mustang

[Darkside]

It would probably be a good race. Boring but good. A '96 Cobra would definately have the advantage.

[BlackIce]

Gosh, if a barely modified MM would keep up with one of those, they sure as hell didn't do much for the Cobra namesake!

[Bradley G]

That is not really a fair comparison, that they are almost ten years apart.
Gosh, if a barely modified MM would keep up with one of those, they sure as hell didn't do much for the Cobra namesake!

[Hacklemerc]

95 Cobra is not a Fox-body. I'd run him and it would be close with only a Lidio tune and JLT intake.

Hack, run the Fox vert and you should spank it unless it's cammed, headers, etc.


Sorry guys I'm not up on my Rustangs. I had an 85 Stang and that was the last one I'll own. The only thing my neighbor has is headers and a CAI.

What year did they go from the fox body to the 90's style?

[High-C]

Sorry guys I'm not up on my Rustangs. I had an 85 Stang and that was the last one I'll own. The only thing my neighbor has is headers and a CAI.

What year did they go from the fox body to the 90's style?

The last year for the traditional "fox-body" mustangs was 1993. The "4-Eyed" Stangs (my personal favorite) ended in 1986 and were replaced by the "aero nose" Stangs from 1987-1993. In 1994 the SN-95 Mustang was born and stayed until the current body style that arrived in 2005. Many of the Mustang purists will correct the "Fox Body" nomenclature as they were actually "Fox Chasis" cars like the LTDs and Fairmonts etc. :beatnik:

[ebxgsxr]

In 1994 the SN-95 Mustang was born and stayed until the current body style that arrived in 2005.

wikipedia said that too:



1 First generation (1964–1973) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang#First_generation_ .281964.E2.80.931973.29)
2 Second generation (1974–1978) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang#Second_generation _.281974.E2.80.931978.29)
3 Third generation (1979–1993) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang#Third_generation_ .281979.E2.80.931993.29)
4 Fourth generation (1994–2004) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang#Fourth_generation _.281994.E2.80.932004.29)
5 Fifth generation (2005–Present) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang#Fifth_generation_ .282005.E2.80.93Present.29)

but there was a definitely body/styling change from 99-04 where they looked this like work of art
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48035
http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/ebxgsxr/misc%20pics/180px-Ford_Mustang_Cabrio_1966.jpg

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/ebxgsxr/misc%20pics/175px-1975_Ford_Mustang_Cobra_II.jpg

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/ebxgsxr/misc%20pics/180px-1993MustangGTConvertible.jpg

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/ebxgsxr/misc%20pics/rendezvous003a.jpg

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/ebxgsxr/misc%20pics/180px-02GT_wiki.jpg

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/ebxgsxr/misc%20pics/180px-Ford_Mustang_GT_1.jpg

[Hacklemerc]

The last year for the traditional "fox-body" mustangs was 1993. The "4-Eyed" Stangs (my personal favorite) ended in 1986 and were replaced by the "aero nose" Stangs from 1987-1993. In 1994 the SN-95 Mustang was born and stayed until the current body style that arrived in 2005. Many of the Mustang purists will correct the "Fox Body" nomenclature as they were actually "Fox Chasis" cars like the LTDs and Fairmonts etc. :beatnik:

Wow... I had a "4 eyed" stang. 1985 coupe. It was alright but it just kept falling apart. It probably didnt help that I was 17 at the time and ran the dog stuff out of the car.

Sounds like you are up on your Mustang history.

[jfclancy]

So who won the race already? i mean why ask if you have a chance run the thing.


Joe Clancy:beer::beer::beer:

[Darkside]

Gosh, if a barely modified MM would keep up with one of those, they sure as hell didn't do much for the Cobra namesake!

96-98' were respectable for their time. Ford outdid themselves when they brought them back in '03.

[Bradley G]

Joe the race won't happen til spring. The guy with the Mustang says he needs to fix a tie rod, so it was just speculation at this point.
So who won the race already? i mean why ask if you have a chance run the thing.


Joe Clancy:beer::beer::beer:

[justbob]

Tie rod equals ten minute fix. So now what is he really waiting for?

[dpotter]

Hey thanks ebxgsxr, I can't believe the lapse of the 99-04 S197 body style from High-C (who seems to know his Stangs)... I sorely miss my Cobra (thanks for reminding me) but it gives me time to focus on my family style cobra!

I never liked the SN-95's, except the Bright Atlantic Blue 98 Cobras.

I had a '80 GT (1st car), '84 Predator GT350, 90 LX Coupe/Notch, '92.5 LX Special Edition vert, Triple Black '99 Cobra, '04 Mystichrome Cobra and lastly the above linked '03 Cobra vert.

The MM should have had the exact same motor as the '03-'04 Cobra, blower and all, just my 2 cents.

Tie rod my a$$, how many times has that kind of excuse been used to make some HP improvements! It's all fun, I look forward to the day I'm next to a Mustang at a red light on 121 (it's a 6 lane divided highway that has stop lights if you can believe it). It's a lovely, flat piece of fresh concrete just made for runs.

[BlackIce]

That is not really a fair comparison, that they are almost ten years apart.

The engine in the MM existed in production, albeit with a different head design, two years prior to the '95 Cobra (in the '93 Mark VIII). You're right, there is a large time gap between the MM and '95 Cobra, but the technology hasn't changed much in that time. I imagine Ford kept the inept 5.0 for that year Cobra since the Mustang GT's also used the same engine, and the 4.6 needs a different bell housing.


96-98' were respectable for their time. Ford outdid themselves when they brought them back in '03.

Yes, huge improvement in '96 for sure. I have a '98 Cobra intake manifold on my '97 Mark VIII, and while that's a fast machine the Cobra has much less weight to contend with. As has already been said, the MM really should have shipped with the '04-'04 Cobra engine. That would surely have kept depreciation at bay.

[ebxgsxr]

The MM should have had the exact same motor as the '03-'04 Cobra, blower and all, just my 2 cents.


man i cant wait to see the pics from that build. i wish i had the cash to buy your cobra. was it someone from this board that purchased it?

[High-C]

Wow... I had a "4 eyed" stang. 1985 coupe. It was alright but it just kept falling apart. It probably didnt help that I was 17 at the time and ran the dog stuff out of the car.

Sounds like you are up on your Mustang history.

Hack, I am lucky enough to still have my '85-GT... It was my first car and I got it back in 1991 when I was just 15 years old. I too dogged the crap out of it and it now has 208,000 miles and is still on the original motor. :cool4: My current project is a completely new interior. It has turned out to be a much more difficult endeavor than I expected...

It's really tired but in 2010 I can register it as an antique vehicle in Northern Virginia (home of the emmissions nazis) and it's gonna get a bad-ass 331 with a blower... I can't wait!!! Here are a few recent pics:

[High-C]

I can't believe the lapse of the 99-04 S197 body style from High-C (who seems to know his Stangs)...

I had a '80 GT (1st car), '84 Predator GT350, 90 LX Coupe/Notch, '92.5 LX Special Edition vert, Triple Black '99 Cobra, '04 Mystichrome Cobra and lastly the above linked '03 Cobra vert.

I don't know what I was thinking... :shake: How can I forget about the S197s that are some of my favorites as well. Who hasn't lusted over a few Terminators? I know that I have... It's cool to see that your first car was a Four-Eyed Stang as well. Four - Eyed - Pride Forever!!! :beer:

[ebxgsxr]

car looks clean High-C. definitely post some pics when the interior is completely finished. i miss my vert. here is a pic of it when i bought it from the previous owner (except i didnt get the welds from him, just had the 5 star ponies).

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq53/ebxgsxr/GTdriver.jpg

[Paul T. Casey]

Brad, send them both my way. Oh yeah, remind them to bring their wallets.

[dpotter]

Nice Foxes guys! My next one will be a 90-93 notch.

ebxgsxr, a forum member on the SVTP site bought my car then proceeded to drive it in the rain to Shreveport! He asked if the winshield wipers worked and I laughed and said I didn't know, she hadn't seen rain in 2 years. He had just sold a black 98 Cobra vert and always wanted a termi.

[bigmerc2003]

To just set the record straight the MM will beat the Cobra Mustang. See video!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Mercury-Marauder-vs-03-SC_166582.htm

Glenn :burnout:

That was a GT mustang, and that was a MM on steroids!! I thought we were looking at a stock 94-95 cobra and a stock MM??? If so i think the 5 speed in the cobra would help to beat the MM

[Paul T. Casey]

That was a GT mustang, and that was a MM on steroids!! I thought we were looking at a stock 94-95 cobra and a stock MM??? If so i think the 5 speed in the cobra would help to beat the MM


I'd say more than likely the 5 speed is a handicap. Before you start laughing, this statement comes from many days at the track. The average Joe out there just can't shift. I'm betting 80% of the 4, 5, 0r 6speeds out there would improve by more than a half second with an auto.

[bigmerc2003]

i totally agree, the art of "grabbing gears" is almost long gone. Ask someone if they have even heard of a three on the tree let alone drove one, i have and they are fun! Even drove a 4 speed ford van and my favorite oddball a 5 speed turbo caravan! If you can drive stick the 4-5-6 speeds will give you an advantage to control your shift points better than an auto.

[mrjones]

If the Marauder and the Mustang are both stock, it will be close. My stock MM and my 89 LX convertible 5.0 5spd w.3.73s both ran a 15.1. With a JLT, 4.10's, and a Lidio tune, the MM ran a 14.2. If the Mustang is an auto, MM should easily handle it.

[Glenn]

Try this Mustang GT if you didn't like the other one.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Mercury-Marauder-Trilogy_122502.htm

or perhaps this turbo Mustnag is even better????

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Mercury-Marauder-vs_166581.htm

olde man's DD MM :beer:

[Bradley G]

I never get tired of watching our barges launch, especially Marauders like Glenns' that lay down those #'s
Try this Mustang GT if you didn't like the other one.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Mercury-Marauder-Trilogy_122502.htm

or perhaps this turbo Mustnag is even better????

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Mercury-Marauder-vs_166581.htm

olde man's DD MM :beer:

[Glenn]

This guy was so humiliated by being beaten by grandpa's GM by his buddies that he left the track.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/03-Marauder-vs-03_142571.htm

Glenn :burnout:

[justbob]

I love them video's. And i love all that whine! Good one #124 from #118.:2thumbs:

[Drewstang]

I've got a 95 Cobra with a FMS B303 cam, under drive pulleys, cold air intake, off road x pipe, Flowmaster catback, and 3.55's. A race with a N/A Marauder would be close but my S/C'd Marauder would walk all over my Cobra.

[dpotter]

I'd like to see a run between a Trilogy MM and a non-pullied, stock Eaton 03-04 Cobra. That'd be close.

[Dark_Knight7096]

I'd like to see a run between a Trilogy MM and a non-pullied, stock Eaton 03-04 Cobra. That'd be close.

I believe it has been said before that a "Stock" Trilogy MM will beat a Stock Terminator

[Bradley G]

The 03 & 04 Cobra can't launch super hard like we can.
Helps us overcome the weight difference.

I believe it has been said before that a "Stock" Trilogy MM will beat a Stock Terminator

[Vortech347]

That 95 should pretty much walk away. I raced my friends 94' stock cobra vs my other 03 MM that had mods and 3.73's. I got my ass handed to me from a stop and he'd walk away at a roll. Btw it was a Cobra with 190k.