03-04' Cobra S/C

[DTRMiguel]

Ive found a kit for a 03-04' Mustang Cobra, my only issue is that the intake and everything goes to the left of the engine unlike the trilogy. My only question is what complications would i run into during this install? Like will i need fabbed parts? Will it even work? Will it be cheaper to go with trilogy? All help is needed:argue::D. Thanks

[FordNut]

Check with Zack.

[DTRMiguel]

Ummm Zack dont like me!

[FordNut]

OK. Yes, it will work. Yes, it will require several fabbed parts.

[DTRMiguel]

Any idea off the top of your head which ones? And will it be less expensive to just purchase a trilogy?

[Pops]

Zack just put a thread on this DTR. Read it and see what you think. Seems like he spent about 3k on the whole deal. Might be time to throw out the peace flag between you guys!

[DTRMiguel]

Im not mad at any of those guys. I was upset that day yes but i let it all go. I read it and i dont think they really meant it to be racist. Just speaking there mind and it sounded that way. Mike is happy now! :lol:

[KillJoy]

Custom Brackets are necessary.

Custom modifications are needed to the car.

Do you want to have to deal with Custom work, or do you just want something that is plug and play?

:dunno:

Pick one, and go that route.

KillJoy

[Zack]

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48894

Buy a Trilogy, its much easier. (But double the cost)

[FordNut]

Read this thread for Zack's way.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48894

Search for some threads on Zack's Kenne Bell install for more ideas on intake routing and coolant crossover. I believe he used the upside-down fan on that one with the centrifugal cold air box.

Search for even more threads on my buildup, it is fairly well documented but not all in one place. I used the Cobra fan shroud with the centrifugal type cold air box.

Bottom line, if you can't do fab work yourself and get the welding done readily for the coolant crossover you're SOL. And it won't be a quick bolt-on, the car will be parked for awhile for test-fitting stuff. There is no "kit" to do the conversion.

3 key parts that make it difficult, the brackets for alternator relocation and supercharger tensioner mounting and the coolant crossover tube.

[DTRMiguel]

WHat custom parts will i need? If its not that hard ill try it.

[NATEHAWK]

Get a trilogy enough said

[NATEHAWK]

the cheap route is not always the best route. Be paitent stack your money and get a trilogy kit

[ctrlraven]

the cheap route is not always the best route. Be paitent stack your money and get a trilogy kit

With the cost of stuff Zack used, he could still get a smaller pulley, port the blower and get a dyno tune and still have more power and be under the price of a Trilogy.

Yeah Trilogy is the way to go if you have that money to throw down at once. The homemade Eaton kit you can piece together over time as money allows such.

I think I might be going this way cause I have a friend who will give me his blower with barley any miles on it since 1 month after buy a new 04 Cobra he went turbo.

[Zack]

I think I might be going this way cause I have a friend who will give me his blower with barley any miles on it since 1 month after buy a new 04 Cobra he went turbo.

Remember, the brackets are gonna be necessary to do this.
It will be $3200 in cash for me to get these made again.
I would need to sell some stuff to get that going.

[DTRMiguel]

$3200 for brackets for alternator relocation and supercharger tensioner mounting and the coolant crossover tube?

[Zack]

the cheap route is not always the best route. Be paitent stack your money and get a trilogy kit

There is nothing better than opening your hood and looking at a totally custom setup that you made with your bare hands with Factory Ford parts.

Some things are just better than the 'real' thing.

[BlownMerc]

I agree with Zack on that one. I already have found the limitations of the M90 in my Allen kit. At the time it was the only thing on the market that was bolt-on for a 2V CV/MGM. Since then, some things on here and crownvic.net have made me realize I could've gone a couple of different routes with much better end results and knowing I did it myself would've been the icing on the cake. If you're looking for quick results, go Trilogy. If you like to be different (like having a 4dr sedan that hauls azz) then do it yourself and plan on a longer haul.

[DTRMiguel]

The custom kit sounds like fun.

[Zack]

I agree with Zack on that one. I already have found the limitations of the M90 in my Allen kit. At the time it was the only thing on the market that was bolt-on for a 2V CV/MGM. Since then, some things on here and crownvic.net have made me realize I could've gone a couple of different routes with much better end results and knowing I did it myself would've been the icing on the cake. If you're looking for quick results, go Trilogy. If you like to be different (like having a 4dr sedan that hauls azz) then do it yourself and plan on a longer haul.


Yeah, like www.torktech.com

[FordNut]

There is nothing better than opening your hood and looking at a totally custom setup that you made with your bare hands with Factory Ford parts.

Some things are just better than the 'real' thing.

I love having a unique setup! It takes more time & money to blaze new trails but it's really satisfying to have something that nobody else has got.

[Zack]

Someone please tell DTRMiguel that Trilogy is NOT gonna sell him the belt tensioner and alternator brackets!

[FordNut]

Someone please tell DTRMiguel that Trilogy is NOT gonna sell him the belt tensioner and alternator brackets!

So far I know of 3 people who have tried to buy them and been turned down. If you want the Trilogy brackets you gotta buy a Trilogy kit. They are in business to sell kits, not parts.

[DTRMiguel]

:lol: I believe you dude

[Drewstang]

For a small fee I'd be willing to take my brackets off and draw them out on paper. :D

[BlownMerc]

Yeah, like www.torktech.com (http://www.torktech.com)

I was thinking of going 3v. I've gotta a friend that put a set of CNC ported heads on his Mustang, he's got the stock heads and cams, just beggin for a 3v swap. If I get my hands on a used motor so I can scavenge the front drive components, I might consider it as a next step. I've looked at the Eaton TVS kit for that car, the throttle body comes out on the drivers side, not sure of wiper interference, but it will be worth looking into. I can't seem to flow anymore air through the M90 on my car.

But some spray on top of what I have might be an interesting alternative. Could also use some cams and ported heads, but don't know if I want to spend that kind of money while considering swapping to a better flowing setup, anyways.

[Zack]

The intake will hit the wipers, unfortunately.

[ctrlraven]

Remember, the brackets are gonna be necessary to do this.
It will be $3200 in cash for me to get these made again.
I would need to sell some stuff to get that going.

How much does $3200 buy in brackets? Is that for 1, 2, 3, etc etc vehicles?

Custom > Pre-Made

With all of our colors being so alike we all try to do something different from the next person.

Dare to be different!

[Zack]

How much does $3200 buy in brackets? Is that for 1, 2, 3, etc etc vehicles?

Custom > Pre-Made

With all of our colors being so alike we all try to do something different from the next person.

Dare to be different!

10 sets
I dont see it happening

[DTRMiguel]

Lol i take it 10 is the companies minimum?

[ImpalaSlayer]

does any one have a pic of this thing? im almost sure i could make something that would work, may not be as pretty but would prolly work

[O's Fan Rich]

Ummm Zack dont like me!

Zack loves everyone!
You're just not trying ......:hug2::lovies2::lovies:: grouphug:

[O's Fan Rich]

Someone please tell DTRMiguel that Trilogy is NOT gonna sell him the belt tensioner and alternator brackets!

DTR...... What HE said!

[red]

With the cost of stuff Zack used, he could still get a smaller pulley, port the blower and get a dyno tune and still have more power and be under the price of a Trilogy.
IMO, going ported is not worth the money. Pulley'ed Cobra's with exhaust and CAI will make in the 450 range. At most, the ported supercharger, plenum, and throttle body is worth maybe another 50 HP and can cost between $1k and $2k when all is said and done. For under $3500, you can buy a 2.3L Whipple kit and add a hell of a lot more power. Obviously, the fuel system will need to be upgraded for either route and a new bottom-end maybe in order for a Marauder at these power levels.

[Zack]

IMO, going ported is not worth the money. Pulley'ed Cobra's with exhaust and CAI will make in the 450 range. At most, the ported supercharger, plenum, and throttle body is worth maybe another 50 HP and can cost between $1k and $2k when all is said and done. For under $3500, you can buy a 2.3L Whipple kit and add a hell of a lot more power. Obviously, the fuel system will need to be upgraded for either route and a new bottom-end maybe in order for a Marauder at these power levels.

I missed a used KB 2.2 on Ebay a few weeks back in a bidding war that ended at $1325.

Ported Eatons are better bought used, at a fraction of the cost.

[red]

I missed a used KB 2.2 on Ebay a few weeks back in a bidding war that ended at $1325.
D'oh! :bigcry:


Ported Eatons are better bought used, at a fraction of the cost.
Yeah, I've seen them go used for around $800 with plenum and throttle body. If you get a freshly ported (new I suppose) one they're gonna be a good bit more. I have a friend selling one soon and had played with the idea, but can't justify it when a twin screw can be had for not too much more.

[O's Fan Rich]

IMO, going ported is not worth the money. Pulley'ed Cobra's with exhaust and CAI will make in the 450 range. At most, the ported supercharger, plenum, and throttle body is worth maybe another 50 HP and can cost between $1k and $2k when all is said and done. For under $3500, you can buy a 2.3L Whipple kit and add a hell of a lot more power. Obviously, the fuel system will need to be upgraded for either route and a new bottom-end maybe in order for a Marauder at these power levels.

Red, you might want to check out Sherman's car then... it could change your mind.....

[red]

Red, you might want to check out Sherman's car then... it could change your mind.....
I've checked out plenty of Cobra's with ported Eaton's and know what they're capable of. I'm sure the power levels are a bit better with the higher compression Marauder engine. Just looking at his timeslip and race information (if this is up-to-date--11.190@120.75, 1.531 60', 4200 race weight, slicks), I see a quick ET which can be attributed to the low 60', lighter weight, and drag setup. However, I see a low MPH, which is a result of his lower power levels (stated at 470). Case in point, on the timeslip page you can see that I was one of the quickest N/A cars because of a good 60', lighter weight, sticky tires, etc. However, you'll notice my lower MPH as I had less power than others. The 1/4 ET was quick because I could launch the heck out of the car (I got down to 1.8 60's N/A in the Florida heat). So, while his E/Ts are definitely impressive, I would expect at least mid 120's for those times. In a roll race, he'd get walked by a car with the slower ETs and higher MPH. In any case, the twin-screw will create more power and make for a better street machine because of power band, reduced heat soak, etc.