The Internets tell me...... a Trilogy went BOOM!

[KillJoy]

So, has anyone recently been to the Track, and ran a 12.2, then blow the motor up, and post the video's on www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com)?

Just curious.

Oh yeah. It says Trilogy #33. Hmmmm.....

LINK 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec3oQLUcZpI)

LINK 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjbspLMKDKw)

Discuss.

:D or is it :bigcry:

KillJoy

[sd8683]

Is that the one zack sold a few month's back:dunno:
That really sux

[offroadkarter]

its martin's car, he bought it from zack

Martin came down with us to englishtown to run his 100% safe marauder at the track.

After a 12.2, it started making that horrible noise. Were discussing a forged 5.0 replacement.

[KillJoy]

its martin's car, he bought it from zack

Martin came down with us to englishtown to run his 100% safe marauder at the track.



Was the car up to Temp befoer he made the first pass?

:dunno:

KillJoy

[offroadkarter]

Was the car up to Temp befoer he made the first pass?

:dunno:

KillJoy

Yep

It was probably 30min from us getting there, to him running.


First the frozen gas cap, now this :P

[RR|Suki]

Things happen, maybe some bad gas??

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have a motor with 40 k on it

[KillJoy]

It was probably 30min from us getting there, to him running.





I heard differently.

:dunno:

KillJoy

[Zack]

Sorry to hear, Martin is a good guy.

[Zack]

its martin's car, he bought it from zack

Martin came down with us to englishtown to run his 100% safe marauder at the track.
After a 12.2, it started making that horrible noise. Were discussing a forged 5.0 replacement.

If you are taking a stab at me, I suggest stopping dead in your tracks.

[Zack]

I have a motor with 40 k on it

Maybe a little sympathy before trying to hack into the guys wallet?

[KillJoy]

Maybe a little sympathy before trying to hack into the guys wallet?


Uhhh.... I AM in the market.....

;)

KillJoy

[KillJoy]

However....... once Martin chimes in, we will see where things are.....

:up:

KillJoy

[my_rodder]

I could not listen to all of the 2nd video:(. Made me want to puke. That is a noise no one should ever have to hear.

[Drewstang]

That sounds like a rod knock if I've ever heard one.

[hot-rauder]

I could not listen to all of the 2nd video:(. Made me want to puke. That is a noise no one should ever have to hear.


ahhh... i have heard the sweet symphany of blo0wn motor from my camaro and now my MM.... only 52k on here when she went. trust me the video mutes out lots of deep sounds. it a sad sound and yes it hurts to hear.

[KillJoy]

And THIS is why, ANYONE who buys a car needs to run the tank as low as they dare, the refill with local Fuel SEVERAL TIMES, THEN hit the DYNO!!!! Just to make sure all is well.

:up:

KillJoy

[RR|Suki]

or just get a wideband :banana:

[SILVERSURFER03]

sorry to read about the engine boss

[NATEHAWK]

Sorry to hear that man... I think im going to get a race gas tune just for safety purposes while running on the track.

[Zack]

Sorry to hear that man... I think im going to get a race gas tune just for safety purposes while running on the track.

Are you serious?

To be safe, you would run the 93 octane tune with race gas for added safety to prevent detonation.

[KillJoy]

Are you serious?

To be safe, you would run the 93 octane tune with race gas for added safety to prevent detonation.

Duh?

I am sorry.... but does ANYONE think this is NOT the SAFE BET? Especially if you are NOT the one having it tuned LOCALLY?

:dunno:

KillJoy

[offroadkarter]

If you are taking a stab at me, I suggest stopping dead in your tracks.



Look, you hate me, and i hate you

Now that its out of the way, lighten up :P

[RR|Suki]

Are you serious?

To be safe, you would run the 93 octane tune with race gas for added safety to prevent detonation.

quoted for truth

[Glenn]

Why anyone would run a Trilogy at the track without race gas is beyond me. I have always used race gas even when I was NA. It was cheap, cheap insurance. I still use 101 race gas, but now push the envelope with a 50 HP race tune with 101. If you have a Trilogy ALWAYS use race gas at the track.

Glenn :burnout:

[Georges93LX]

I'm sorry for your loss. But when you play you eventually pay. Hell a conservative tuned daily driver will break if you beat on it enough. Anyone running ANY car WOT at a track that thinks there's no possibiliy of breaking is smoking something.

[knine]

"Diesel conversion test"? :banghead: I wonder who's DTR that is next to him, you see it in the last couple of seconds of "clip 2".

[Zack]

"Diesel conversion test"? :banghead: I wonder who's DTR that is next to him, you see it in the last couple of seconds of "clip 2".

Maybe offroadkarter? ...with his dad driving of course....

:D

[03calitejas]

grrr...I composed a long reply here and I tried to submit and it said I wasnt logged on...poof goes the message...

ok...I'm very sorry to hear about Martins engine...really am...owwww...so I was goofing around in a salvage yard south east of Dallas this afternoon picking up a few odds and ends and scoping out a GM grille to play with- no luck there but I scored a perfect match right rear taillight from a demolished Dallas PD cruiser, a trunk organizer out of an 03 Vic and a few dog dish caps from the cruisers they have and THEN...(here comes the good part) I spot a clean lincoln continental with a perfect front end...I thought maybe the grille could be useful but nope...anyways...curiosity got the best of me and I popped the hood...a really clean 32V Intech motor swung sideways looks back at me... They had a couple pulled 3 Valve engines out back where they do a lot of the dismantling but this was totally unmolested and under a closed hood about halfway down a row of all ford products...I asked the girl what their engine policy was and she said they cover it for 30 days. I think the back of the car got nailed but I didnt really look around at it. This place (AAA Dallas auto salvage) posts a lot of their inventory on www.car-part.com (http://www.car-part.com) but that engine isnt shown on anyones inventory that I saw. I didn't ask them specifically about the lincoln motor because I didn't want their price to go crazy on it. (I reclosed the hood for safe keeping) If anyone is interested, their number is 972/286-5644 and the girl at the counter is Jessica. She'll remember the guy looking at the chrome GM grille probably...

[Zack]

Continental motors have different bolt patterns than the MM engine and wont work

[03calitejas]

roger that Zack...thought it might be useful but alas- no joy in mudville... do they still use the same heads as the MM's?

[O's Fan Rich]

Are you serious?

To be safe, you would run the 93 octane tune with race gas for added safety to prevent detonation.

YES!!!! And I run Methanol Injection too!!!

Oh, sorry to here of Martin's problem....

[offroadkarter]

Maybe offroadkarter? ...with his dad driving of course....

:D


Actually Crabby125 went with me

If your trying to shank me, i'd stop in yo tracks homes.

and yes it was me

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e185/offroadkarter/Englishtown%2011_23_08/eac0fb29.jpg

[OneBADLsE]

Yep - i can vouch for ryan.

And you should be proud Zack, Ryan did a 12.9 @121 on your tune! :beer:


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[RR|Suki]

Ryan did a 12.9 @121 on your tune! :beer:

is that a joke? and here I thought my launches were bad

[offroadkarter]

is that a joke? and here I thought my launches were bad


its amazing what i can run after the jet powered jeep dries the track :banana:

[Aren Jay]

...........................

[OneBADLsE]

its amazing what i can run after the jet powered jeep dries the track :banana:


teh tailwindzzz oOOhEEenooEEEzzzz!11!!1!!

[OneBADLsE]

I have a motor with 40 k on it


Maybe a little sympathy before trying to hack into the guys wallet?


pwn3d!!!! BWahahahahahhahaha!!!!!!!1

http://pontiphex.com/images/house_ohsnap.gif

[n00bkiller944]

Aw man I'm sorry to hear that! Hope you get her up and running again soon....

[ctrlraven]

And this is why I will have a built motor before getting any type of boost.

Sorry to hear about your car Martin, I hope it can be fix quickly and cheaply.

[Vortech347]

If you plan on a dyno event or a track outing where you know your foot will be to the floorboard even if you see a naked woman trying to flag you down.... Throw in a few gallons of 100. Its cheap and good insurance. Everytime I race my SC'd stang at the track I put 2 gallons of 100 in. I don't really NEED it but I like knowing its there. And you never know if you really needed it till you're walking down the track picking up pieces of your engine and pulling a pushrod out of your eye. (SBF speaking)

Don't be a dick to the guy thou. Crap happens. The moment you change the air filter on a car to make more power. Expect stuff to break. Thats the nature of the beast. These engines were NEVER designed for forced induction from the factory. (03/04 Marauder specific.)

[OneBADLsE]

If you plan on a dyno event or a track outing where you know your foot will be to the floorboard even if you see a naked woman trying to flag you down.... Throw in a few gallons of 100. Its cheap and good insurance. Everytime I race my SC'd stang at the track I put 2 gallons of 100 in. I don't really NEED it but I like knowing its there. And you never know if you really needed it till you're walking down the track picking up pieces of your engine and pulling a pushrod out of your eye. (SBF speaking)

Don't be a dick to the guy thou. Crap happens. The moment you change the air filter on a car to make more power. Expect stuff to break. Thats the nature of the beast. These engines were NEVER designed for forced induction from the factory. (03/04 Marauder specific.)


It was either a freak event, or really just a matter of time.

Think about it. Some guys on here have blown motors with LOW MILES AND ZERO MODS!!!!

[Vortech347]

Yup...

**** happens when you party naked with your right foot to the floorboard.

[Richy04]

Been there with the best built motors.. Doesnt matter who builds them or runs them. Sometimes shat happens.. I lost a 540 big block in 99 when the oil stopped flowing.

My Brother in Law who was driving went thru the traps at Englishtown with a blown motor riding the guard rail still ran low tens. It crapped out with about 35 runs on it and was a low 9's high 8 second car. The only thing salvagable was the heads and intake, everything else was junk.

[CRUZTAKER]

Sad news Martin.

Live, learn, rebuild.;)

[Paul]

That's very sad. Sorry to hear it happened to you - especially that car (had my eye on it when Deebar sold it). Rebuild her better than before!

[Dark_Knight7096]

yea the internets tell da truth, that was mine, yes the car was up to temp when i ran it

i'm not mad about it. Poo happens, sux that it happened AFTER i lost my job but hey, if not for bad luck i'd have no luck at all. I'm looking around at my options so far as an engine replacement goes. I do plan on putting it back together stronger than before. Have my eyes on a 5.0L stroker, as well as a few other options. Pay to play is right.

Thanks for the kind words all, I'll keep everyone updated of the progress of resurrecting it, tho, that may be an improper term as it still drives as of the moment, just not that well.

[offroadkarter]

Have you found a new gas cap yet?

Wouldnt that be a b!tch if you replaced the gas cap and the car ran fine :D

[Blackened300a]

Sorry to hear about your car Martin. Lenny told me that night but I waited til it was out in public to comment.

If you need any help with labor or installation. Feel free to call.

[NATEHAWK]

Are you serious?

To be safe, you would run the 93 octane tune with race gas for added safety to prevent detonation.

Yes it was a joke zack. The only way to be safe on the track is to never go on there from the first place. We all know the track is the grave yard.

[Zack]

Just buy the Aluminator from Ford, charge it on the CC, negotiate a low rate with your CC company.
Done

[Bigdogjim]

Martin: I have a garage standing by if need, ready to help. I know I can work a great labor rate in you favor.

[Krytin]

Buy it and wait for the bailout!

[Dennis Reinhart]

Martin: I have a garage standing by if need, ready to help. I know I can work a great labor rate in you favor.


Martin call me if I can help

[BODYMAN]

Been there with the best built motors.. Doesnt matter who builds them or runs them. Sometimes shat happens.. I lost a 540 big block in 99 when the oil stopped flowing.

My Brother in Law who was driving went thru the traps at Englishtown with a blown motor riding the guard rail still ran low tens. It crapped out with about 35 runs on it and was a low 9's high 8 second car. The only thing salvagable was the heads and intake, everything else was junk.


I had a built stang 4-yrs ago do the same thing about 20 passes on it and caboom she went south on me it was a all alluminum block. **** happens when we hoop are cars up. Like someone else stated above you change 1 thing and you will run this risk. Spoke to a guy about 2 months ago at a gas station had a stock Marauder and he was complaining that he had to have the motor r-r 2 months after he bought it new? Things happen. :o

[BODYMAN]

And THIS is why, ANYONE who buys a car needs to run the tank as low as they dare, the refill with local Fuel SEVERAL TIMES, THEN hit the DYNO!!!! Just to make sure all is well.

:up:

KillJoy

This be why youre old car did not run down the track 3-weeks ago! No Dyno NO tracky.:beer:
This car has probably seen WOT maybe 10-12 times since I brought her home a month or so ago!!

[KillJoy]

This be why youre old car did not run down the track 3-weeks ago! No Dyno NO tracky.:beer:

:beer:

Fuel, Altitude and other local variables play into it.

:up:

KillJoy

[BODYMAN]

:beer:

Fuel, Altitude and other local variables play into it.

:up:

KillJoy

Yes! That is Correct I had a couple people I know ask me when I got home
so did you run her hard and the answer was NO I want to see what I got
Car goes to dyno next week!!:beer:
at the track if something breaks it breaks s*** happens That goes with the territory

[Dark_Knight7096]

I can do most of the work myself, with my fathers help, and with the help of my bro-in-law (ex Ford SVT cert mech). Only thing I'll probly need to take it somewhere for is having the cams timed as I don't have the tools for that. We shall see though.

Thanks again for all the offers of help and assistance :D

you guys rock!

[Zack]

I can do most of the work myself, with my fathers help, and with the help of my bro-in-law (ex Ford SVT cert mech). Only thing I'll probly need to take it somewhere for is having the cams timed as I don't have the tools for that. We shall see though.

Thanks again for all the offers of help and assistance :D

you guys rock!

You dont need tools to time the cams.
Get a factory service manual and you'll be good to go.

Take this into consideration:
If you buy a complete Aluminator Longblock, its about 900-1000 more than the shortblock itself.
You can sell the MM heads for 800 easy on modularfords.com
Something to consider, and make your job easier.

[OneBADLsE]

Slightly off topic, this thread has put MAJOR FEAR in my heart regarding forced induction.

Martin - Hope to see her up n' running well again! Maybe this time, i'll sway you into hittin the traps instead of "i hope it doesnt blow up" Ryan.

And if you need a tune guy, REELSPEED here on Long island im told does EXCELLENT WORK. Does tons of Termi's, Machs, and 3v's. :up:

[Blackened300a]

And if you need a tune guy, REELSPEED here on Long island im told does EXCELLENT WORK. Does tons of Termi's, Machs, and 3v's. :up:

Sal told Tommy that most of his work came from doing retunes from Realspeed!

[O's Fan Rich]

Slightly off topic, this thread has put MAJOR FEAR in my heart regarding forced induction.



Yeah it can be a scary thing. But it's one of those trade off choices we sometimes need to make in life.
You want the power? Gotta pay and take the risk.

Just go in with that in mind and accept the good and the bad.

And really if you're not hammering the car and you maintain it and keep after it and don't live on the edge with it, it's a pretty safe bet.
That's why I like having Lidio tune up my car. He's not an on the edge guy.

[Dark_Knight7096]

Slightly off topic, this thread has put MAJOR FEAR in my heart regarding forced induction.



Lenny remember, it was FREEZING out that day, and the cold damaged my gas cap to begin with. I'm sure normally I wouldn't have a problem, but it was a lot of different factors all working together against me that day is all.

[Aren Jay]

...........................

[Zack]

Well up here it not only freezes but it get damn cold!!! So I'm still wondering if a SC is the way to go. Looks like a Trilogy is no better than a Vortec in the cold.

Dumbest, most uninformed comment ever.

I would bet the farm Martin's car was detonating.

Before I sold it, I beat the ever living snot out of the car to make sure there was no detonation at ANY rpm.

Moving a car 1000 miles to the east can reak havoc on a tune. Maybe not seriously alter its safety, but when you take into consideration factors such as quality of gas available in the area and altitude, commin logic would tell you to spent the $300 to have everything checked out before mashing the go pedal on your 20k purchase.
..not to mention having 13.5lbs of boost on a stock motor to begin with.

Im not bashing you Martin by any means, I feel bad for your situation.

[Dr Caleb]

Dumbest, most uninformed comment ever.

I would bet the farm Martin's car was detonating.

Before I sold it, I beat the ever living snot out of the car to make sure there was no detonation at ANY rpm.


:flamer:

That's what changes threads from informational to confrontational Zack. You call him stupid, then:



Moving a car 1000 miles to the east can reak havoc on a tune. Maybe not seriously alter its safety, but when you take into consideration factors such as quality of gas available in the area and altitude, commin logic would tell you to spent the $300 to have everything checked out before mashing the go pedal on your 20k purchase.
..not to mention having 13.5lbs of boost on a stock motor to begin with.


So, what happens to a tune when you move it 500 miles North, 3000 Miles West and 3100 feet up; then drop ambient temp by 50 - 100 degrees?

That is the difference between Calgary and Indiana. And I have the exact same apprehension in buying some sort of forced induction, even though I won't be winter driving my car.

[knine]

Dumbest, most uninformed comment ever.

You're new here, right? :rolleyes: Can I post a few links?

[CBT]

You're new here, right? :rolleyes: Can I post a few links?

No, we don't want to see nekked pics of you again.

[Blackmobile]

:( Boy that engine sounds familiar, Sorry to hear the bad news. Good luck in getting it back into shape.


Ed

[OneBADLsE]

Sal told Tommy that most of his work came from doing retunes from Realspeed!


Wasnt aware of that, or i completly forgot you mentioned that.

We definatly need to figure out who can be used in the NE. He cant be the END ALL BE ALL of tuners. :help:

[OneBADLsE]

Lenny remember, it was FREEZING out that day, and the cold damaged my gas cap to begin with. I'm sure normally I wouldn't have a problem, but it was a lot of different factors all working together against me that day is all.

You're absolutly right. But since im VERY ROUGH with all of my cars, i'd be happy with just bolt ons, and high 12' traps!

[Ezbok58a]

I miss out on all the fun... (if you call rod knock fun that is...)

Damn, it does suck still.

As far as a place to tune in the NYC area... well I'm stumped. Only place I know of that does good work is the guy that tuned my car...

But he's in Lakewood NJ, that's a hike for me, let alone if you're coming from NYC...

[offroadkarter]

I miss out on all the fun... (if you call rod knock fun that is...)

Damn, it does suck still.

As far as a place to tune in the NYC area... well I'm stumped. Only place I know of that does good work is the guy that tuned my car...

But he's in Lakewood NJ, that's a hike for me, let alone if you're coming from NYC...


1 grand for 6hp, woot :D (thats referring to will's car :P )

[Bradley G]

Martin sorry to learn of your misfortune.
How many miles on your car?
You make a reference of a gas cap issue?, care to elaborate?
What octane fuel were you running?
How much fuel were you carrying?
Did Zack FUNk up Lidios' tune? :eek:

[FordNut]

You're absolutly right. But since im VERY ROUGH with all of my cars, i'd be happy with just bolt ons, and high 12' traps!

Either bolt-ons or 12's.

[Dark_Knight7096]

34k on car
gas cap, somehow there was mosture in the gas cap area and it froze, when that happened the gas cap cracked and was not properly sealed, i noticed it when i saw the fuel door open a crack, i opened it the rest of the way and the cap blew apart and springs, plastic, and ice shot out at me.
SUNOCO 93 octane was all that went into it
3/4 of a tank

[Zack]

That is the difference between Calgary and Indiana. And I have the exact same apprehension in buying some sort of forced induction, even though I won't be winter driving my car.

You dont need to worry if you run the stock Trilogy tune.
Its so safe you can run it on the moon with 55 octane gas and still be safe.

[offroadkarter]

Either bolt-ons or 12's.


he ran a 13.4 with a JLT/SCT tune/Short throw shifter/ and the stock mufflers in my trunk


I think he can hit 12's with a few more bolt on's :D

[Bradley G]

For a Marauder, LSE has a new Stang.

Either bolt-ons or 12's.

[OneBADLsE]

..not to mention having 13.5lbs of boost on a stock motor to begin with.

Im not bashing you Martin by any means, I feel bad for your situation.



But zack, you just said you beat the ***** out of the car...and we all have to assume it had 13.5 lbs of boost when you did it...because he certainly didnt change a thing (AFIK).

Right now, were assuming some water in the tank from a busted fuel cap, some really cold weather, and one or two other misc conditions led to this mishap.

:rolleyes: But dude, Dont try n make the guy look worse than he already feels. Its just not cool. I'd be very pissed if you tried that with me...LIVID really.

[Motorhead350]

Maybe Kerosene will cure the issue at hand. ;)

Martin, I am sorry for what you have to go through, but it'll be alright if you stay determined. I think a 5.0 would be great, but I do not think it completely clears.

I have had to replace the engine in my K5 twice (not to mention five transmissions), the Marauder once and the 65 Chevy is still in pieces. I know what it's like and how frustrating it can be. Maybe a member off here has an engine. Dennis mentioned that he has one, but I would insist on tearing your engine down and seeing how bad it is. Sounds like you have the right people around you to help and are actually willing to help.

Good luck and get it back on the road... hey let's see who can get their car on the road first!!! You or me with my 65 Chevy? At this rate I think you already have the lead.

[FordNut]

Either bolt-ons or 12's.


For a Marauder, LSE has a new Stang.

Sorry, I always assume we're talking about Marauders.

[Zack]

But zack, you just said you beat the ***** out of the car...and we all have to assume it had 13.5 lbs of boost when you did it...because he certainly didnt change a thing (AFIK).

Right now, were assuming some water in the tank from a busted fuel cap, some really cold weather, and one or two other misc conditions led to this mishap.

:rolleyes: But dude, Dont try n make the guy look worse than he already feels. Its just not cool. I'd be very pissed if you tried that with me...LIVID really.

If you interpreted anything I said as trying to knock Martin, that is certainly not what Iwas trying to convey.
Hell, I want to start a fund raiser but Im afraid the Holiday season upon us will impede any $$ being collected.

There are factors at hand, yes. Maybe water in the tank, maybe the engine's time to go.
All I was trying to say was if you spend a ton of money on a modded car, its in the owners best interest to have the car dyno'd local to them to make sure everything is ok. If you bought a 1000rwhp Twin Turbo Cobra from a complete stranger, would you honestly beat on that before going through everything, down to the hose clamps?
Im not trying to say Im not trustworthy as a seller, just telling you what I would do after purchasing a car. :beer:

Who's in for $50 to Martin?

[Aren Jay]

.............................. ........

[Zack]

Wow, $50 guilt trip.

We all thought you would salvage your rep buy going 50/50 on a new engine block for him.

Are you talking to me?


If you are, let me tell you that no single comment like the one you just made has EVER provoked me to want to find some one and choke them to death as much as this.

How **** dare you even suggest I was to blame, or that I would need to do this to salvage my reputation.

You play, you pay...period.
Go back under your rock where it is safe.

[greggash]

I am very sad for your loss of the engine (its like a death in the family)

Build it better and stronger..


No more fighting about the inheritance now!

[Dr Caleb]

Wow, $50 guilt trip.

We all thought you would salvage your rep buy going 50/50 on a new engine block for him or atleast free install for a new engine block.

:eek:
:awe:

Holy crap dude! That was way over the top. Are you tying to pick a fight?

[252life]

Just curious, what oil was in that engine? 5W20?

[offroadkarter]

Just curious, what oil was in that engine? 5W20?


Unless zack put something else in, which i doubt, then yes it was 5W20

[Zack]

Unless zack put something else in, which i doubt, then yes it was 5W20

He bought the car in June, so I would hope an oil change was done since then!

BTW, I have never run 5W20, EVER.
Always 5W-30

[Aren Jay]

.............................. ........

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

You guys expect a private party who sells you a car to pay if you break it? It costs a *little* more to fix a car than a computer. I'm sure the bill of sale said sold as is no warranties expressed or implied.

[KillJoy]

When I sell someone a computer that blows up... I replace it/fix it.

I was just wondering how Zack could suggest we pay for the Engine replacement. Perhaps he gets confused between H & W.

Really? I would like to purchase a computer from you.

I am going to be using it for Porn Surfing. I am going to expect YOU to keep my computer spyware and virus free. Also, I will be doing all of my Banking Online from this PC, and I FULLY expect YOU to keep "me" safe.

:rolleyes:

Certain precautions need to be take by the consumer.

:up:

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

ummmmm there is a big difference between a computer and a high performance car. Zack is a man of his word and he would be the last person I would blame for something going wrong on a car that was in his position!

Now if I could get him to my 65 Chevy...... :alone:

:D

See ya tomorrow!

[RR|Suki]

He bought the car in June, so I would hope an oil change was done since then!

BTW, I have never run 5W20, EVER.
Always 5W-30

+1 5w-20 .... ewwww

[Bradley G]

JUST WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW ALL THE FACTORS That contributed to the failure.Two things that I don't believe helped, Wrong oil weight, and If it was six months since the wrong weight oil was used, that is a long time for PM, When You're beating the ever livin' "***** out of the car."
Who tuned the car?

Even if it means some people may feel they are being scrutinized.

[KillJoy]

Even if it means some people may feel they are being scrutinized.

A local Tuner to Zack. If I am correct, the same guy that Tuned Barry's car.

:up:

KillJoy

[Dr Caleb]

When I sell someone a computer that blows up... I replace it/fix it.

I was just wondering how Zack could suggest we pay for the Engine replacement. Perhaps he gets confused between H & W.

When I used to sell computers, I would do my best to repair/fix it within the Manufacturers warranty or whatever it took if it was my fault. I didn't assemble the damn thing, or refine the silicon or solder the board . . . why would I give endless support for the few bucks I made off of it?

They got my 30 & 30 warranty up front. 30 seconds, or 30 feet. As Killjoy said, if you don't, you end up supporting it for free for life.

The car worked when Zack sold it. And if it didn't, then the buyer definitely didn't do his homework. After that, it's 'Caveat Emptor'. I think it's big of him to try to help out buying a new one. If people don't want to donate, no one is twisting anyone's arm.

[offroadkarter]

+1 5w-20 .... ewwww


Anyone explain whats wrong with the mfg recommendation? :confused:

[CBT]

Anyone explain whats wrong with the mfg recommendation? :confused:
Dunno, kinda wondered that myself, mebbe they mean they don't use it on SuperDooper charged cars?

[KillJoy]

Ford says 5w20.

:up:

KillJoy

[KillJoy]

Which is better...... Ford or Chevy?

:dunno:

KillJoy

[KillJoy]

Triple!

:D

KillJoy

[Joe Walsh]

The only way that this thread could 'devolve' any more, is if it turns into a "What's the best OIL thread".....:shake:

[RR|Suki]

5w-20 is a very thin oil, and in my mind ford used it for MPG and emissions reasons. I share my oil with my blower and feel a lot better with 5w-30 since I go to the track and I drive my car hard.

[merc]

5w-20 is a very thin oil, and in my mind ford used it for MPG and emissions reasons. I share my oil with my blower and feel a lot better with 5w-30 since I go to the track and I drive my car hard.

If you had build your motor you would understand why Ford recommends 5-20. The ring and cylinder wall clearance is very tight. Here is the spec I used. Oh by the way I race with a mix of 5-30 & 5-20, but I change my oil 5 to 6 times a year.

03-04 SVT Cobra) - 03 Cobra engine Specs
Specs on the 03-04 Cobra Motor:

Engine
Displacement 4.6L (4V) (281 CID)
Number of cylinders 8
Bore 90.2 mm (3.55 in)
Stroke 90.0 mm (3.54 in)
Firing order 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Oil pressure 138-310 kPa
Oil capacity 6 ± 0.25 a
Compression ratio 8.5:1
Cylinder Head and Valve Train
Cylinder head gasket surface flatness 0.10 mm (0.004 inch) max. overall
Combustion chamber volume 52.6 ± 0.5 cm
Valve arrangement (front to rear) b
Intake (left hand): S-P-S-P-S-P-S-P
Valve arrangement (front to rear)
Exhaust (left hand): E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E
Valve arrangement (front to rear)
Intake (right hand): P-S-P-S-P-S-P-S
Valve arrangement (front to rear)
Exhaust (right hand): E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E
Valve guide bore diameter —
Valve stem diameter—intake 6.975-6.995 mm (0.2754-0.2746 inch)
Valve stem diameter—exhaust 6.949-6.970 mm (0.2744-0.2736 inch)
Valve stem-to-guide clearance—intake 0.020-0.069 mm (0.00078-0.00272 inch)
Valve stem-to-guide clearance—exhaust 0.046-0.094 mm (0.0018-0.0037 in)
Valve head diameter—intake 37 mm (1.46 inch)
Valve head diameter—exhaust 30 mm (1.18 inch)
Valve face runout 0.05 mm (0.002 in)
Valve face angle 45.5 degrees
Valve seat width—intake 1.8-2.2 mm (0.071-0.086 inch)
Valve seat width—exhaust 1.8-2.2 mm (0.071-0.086 inch)
Valve seat runout 0.05 mm (0.002 inch)
Valve seat angle 45 degrees
Valve spring free length—intake 42.16 mm (1.6598 inch)
Valve spring free length—exhaust 42.16 mm (1.6598 inch)
Valve spring squareness —
Valve spring compression pressure—intake 711.47 N @ 26.19 mm (159.9 lb-ft @ 1.031 inch)
Valve spring compression pressure—exhaust 711.47 N @ 26.19 mm (159.9 lb-ft @ 1.031 inch)
Valve spring installed height—intake —
Valve spring installed height—exhaust —
Valve spring installed pressure—intake 289.1 N @ 36.14 mm (64.99 lb-ft @ 1.4228 inch)
Valve spring installed pressure—exhaust 289.1 N @ 36.14 mm (64.99 lb-ft @ 1.4228 inch)
Roller follower ratio 1.8:1
Hydraulic Lash Adjuster
Diameter 16.000-15.988 mm (0.6299-0.6294 inch)
Clearance-to-bore 0.018-0.069 mm (0.000709-0.002717 inch)
Service limit 0.016 mm (1.0006299 inch)
Hydraulic leakdown rate c 5-25 seconds
Collapsed lash adjuster gap 0.80-1.20 mm (0.0315-0.0472 inch)
Camshaft
Theoretical valve lift @ 0 lash—intake (primary and secondary) 10.0 mm (0.3937 inch)
Theoretical valve lift @ 0 lash—exhaust 10.0 mm (0.3937 inch)
Lobe lift —
Allowable lobe lift loss —
Journal diameter 26.962-26.936 mm (1.0615-1.0605 inch)
Camshaft journal bore inside diameter —
Camshaft journal-to bearing clearance 0.025-0.076 mm (0.00098-0.002992 inch)
Runout —
End play 0.025-0.165 mm (0.00098-0.00649 inch)
Cylinder Block
Cylinder bore diameter 90.2-90.239 mm
Cylinder bore maximum taper 0.016 mm
Cylinder bore maximum out-of-round 0.016 mm
Main bearing bore diameter 72.402-72.422 mm
Head gasket surface flatness 0.15 mm (0.006 in) max. overall
Crankshaft
Main bearing journal diameter 67.493 mm
Main bearing journal maximum taper 0.05 mm
Main bearing journal maximum out-of round 0.05 mm
Main bearing journal-to-cylinder block clearance 0.023-0.055 mm
Connecting rod journal diameter 56.866-56.886 mm
Connecting rod journal maximum taper —
Connecting rod journal maximum out-of-round —
Crankshaft maximum end play 0.130-0.301 mm
Thrust bearing journal diameter 67.493 mm
Thrust bearing journal maximum out-of round 0.05 mm
Thrust bearing journal maximum taper 0.05 mm
Thrust bearing journal length 17.725-17.775 mm
Piston and Connecting Rod
Piston diameter 90.180-90.191 mm
Piston-to-cylinder bore clearance -0.010/+0.026 mm
Piston ring end gap — compression (top) 0.30 mm
Piston ring end gap — compression (bottom) 0.50 mm
Piston ring end gap — compression (oil ring) 0.65 mm
Piston ring groove width — compression (top) 1.53-1.549 mm
Piston ring groove width — compression (bottom) 1.519-1.539 mm
Piston ring groove width — oil ring 3.031-3.055 mm
Piston ring width — compression (top) 1.47-1.49 mm
Piston ring width — compression (bottom) 1.47-1.49 mm
Piston ring width — oil ring 2.854-2.984 mm
Piston ring-to groove clearance — compression (top) 0.04-0.079 mm
Piston ring-to groove clearance — compression (bottom) 0.029-0.069 mm
Piston ring-to groove clearance — oil ring 0.047-0.201 mm
Piston pin bore diameter 22.0042-21.998 mm
Piston pin diameter 21.991-29.994 mm
Piston pin length 61.60-62.03 mm
Piston pin-to-piston fit 0.0058-0.0132 mm
Connecting rod-to-pin clearance 0.018-0.033 mm
Connecting rod pin bore diameter 22.012-22.024 mm
Connecting rod length 150.7 mm
Connecting rod maximum allowed bend 0.038 mm per 25 mm
Connecting rod maximum allowed twist 0.050 mm per 25 mm
Connecting rod bearing bore diameter 56.866-56.886 mm
Connecting rod bearing-to-crankshaft clearance 0.027-0.069 mm
Connecting rod side clearance 0.15-0.45 mm

[RR|Suki]

If you had build your motor you would understand why Ford recommends 5-20. The ring and cylinder wall clearance is very tight. Here is the spec I used. Oh by the way I race with a mix of 5-30 & 5-20, but I change my oil 5 to 6 times a year.


The builders at VT who built my motor, Pops and Mike, actually told me to use 5w-30 as well... I think I'll trust their judgment ;)

[crabby125]

1 grand for 6hp, woot :D (thats referring to will's car :P )

Kinda Late but...


SCREW YOU DUDE,

Its less if you consider that It also came with an Xcal 3 and underdrive pulley install.

Plus it was the most noticeable improvement in performance since Converting to Duals. I don't regret it one bit.

[Motorhead350]

Which is better...... Ford or Chevy?

:dunno:

KillJoy

Chevy for performance and looks, Ford for being dependable.

What matters more to you?

This is why I have 2 Chevys and both are in for repairs. :o

[252life]

Anyone explain whats wrong with the mfg recommendation? :confused:

The mfg recommendation is great on a stock engine.

But if you have 13.5psi boost and 400+ on the rear wheels, you need a strong oil film to protect the rod bearings, specially if the engine has a few miles on it.

[offroadkarter]

Kinda Late but...


SCREW YOU DUDE,

Its less if you consider that It also came with an Xcal 3 and underdrive pulley install.

Plus it was the most noticeable improvement in performance since Converting to Duals. I don't regret it one bit.


Lenny said it second, i have the text to provez it :lol:

[OneBADLsE]

Lenny said it second, i have the text to provez it :lol:

:D :lol:............

[Bradley G]

I go with what is recomended by who designed, engineered and built it.
None of which, I can do.
How many miles on the oil change?