Six speed S/C Marauder

[Dennis Reinhart]

Yes we har hard at it we started with a base pul with a bit tweaking it made 318 RWHP and 338 RWT N/A

So let the fun begin

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[sd8683]

318 RWHP and 338 RWT N/A:eek::eek:

What are the mod's???

[ctrlraven]

6 Speed manual, 6 Speed automatic?

[sd8683]

His fender badge is on the wrong fender:cool:

[Master]

6 speed manual.

[MM2004]

His fender badge is on the wrong fender:cool:

If you look at the vintage Marauders, the fender emblems had the flags facing towards the front.

Great numbers Dennis!

Mike.

[hot-rauder]

interior pics wanted please

[n00bkiller944]

^^^^^^^+11111

[OneBADLsE]

Six speed S/C Marauder
Yes we har hard at it we started with a base pul with a bit tweaking it made 318 RWHP and 338 RWT N/A

So let the fun begin

:confused: A S/C N/A Marauder 6 speed?

[Master]

It is there to BECOME SC. Currently N/A. Will give maximum tune N/A first to compare best N/A (before) numbers to best S/C (after) numbers.

[RoyLPita]

Any luck on fixing the speedo?

[blazen71]

Finally getting started in the project! I remember seeing your car at Dennis's in the summer. You have a cobra motor right? Good luck with the power numbers, I'm sure they'll be over 500rwhp :burnout:

[Master]

Its a Marauder motor, not cobra. The speedo is being looked into by DR right now.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I worked on the car all day, I am having a boot made for the shifter, I will post pictures, my main issue is to fix the speedo and the e brake and relocate the EEC since David had to move it when he installed the six speed, I will let david tell you about the motor I think Jim O'Niel built it, more pictures to follow.

[justbob]

+? on the interior pics. This looks like a nice upgrade.

[Marauderman]

His fender badge is on the wrong fender:cool:

Incorrect --Flags faced forward--to indicate winner and first at the end..........


If you look at the vintage Marauders, the fender emblems had the flags facing towards the front.


Mike.

Correct there my friend--as mentioned above-----

[Master]

Yeah, I had the engine (shortblock) built by Jim O-Neil with an eye to robustness. All forged internals with H-beam rods. Punched out to 5.0 litres, and compression a bit too high for conventional supercharging, but not the end of the world. The old 4.6 with heads, cams, intake, exhaust and DR tune made about 331rwhp. The 5.0 was so out-of-whack tune-wise that it only made about the same power, but with as lumpy a graph as you could ever hope to see. DR will fix that and we should see some pretty good N/A numbers before we co S/C.

[Krytin]

I'm still looking for someone to put together a package for the 6 speed conversion......
Good luck on the S/C! Big #'s to come!

[justbob]

Hey Dennis, anyone taken interest in a 5R55S besides me?

[Master]

Hey, Nova Scotia is just a hop from New York, especially once the ferry from Mass starts running to Yarmouth in the spring. Come on up, we'll show you a great time in the Province, and you can go home with your newly installed 6-speed. We would purchase the rights to Dennis' tune if he'd let us. We can do the actual conversion in about two days if everything is ready for your arrival. This would include the final dyno-numbers and, if you time it right, a chance to take race school at the local road circuit.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well I connected a NGS to the car today and it is getting no OSS signal either the exciter ring in the Tremac is wrong or the signal is not getting to the EEC, I will narrow it down tomorrow.

Here is a pic of the shifter David had a piece of leather made that is pulled up, I am going to have it remade and attached to a new housing.

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I am also going to adjust the shifter so it tilts back more so he will not hit the dash on power shifts, I am also going to replace the scratched radio trim panel.

[ctrlraven]

Would love to see a full write up on the manual conversion.

More pics and more details as it all goes along please.

[Krytin]

Hey, Nova Scotia is just a hop from New York, especially once the ferry from Mass starts running to Yarmouth in the spring. Come on up, we'll show you a great time in the Province, and you can go home with your newly installed 6-speed. We would purchase the rights to Dennis' tune if he'd let us. We can do the actual conversion in about two days if everything is ready for your arrival. This would include the final dyno-numbers and, if you time it right, a chance to take race school at the local road circuit.

Sounds like it's time to start booking travel - it's also the 25th weding aniversary this year......

[n00bkiller944]

Please say you are not keeping the stock automatic shifter knob on it??

[ImpalaSlayer]

Please say you are not keeping the stock automatic shifter knob on it??

my thoughts exactly

[Blackened300a]

my thoughts exactly

Instead, how about F-16 stick complete with missle launch buttons and machine gun trigger! :lol:

[Blackened300a]

Sounds like it's time to start booking travel - it's also the 25th weding aniversary this year......

You go for it, I wanna see it and perhaps do the same! Just call Sal and tell him to turn off all transmission controls. You wouldnt want to lose your perfect dyno tune.

[Master]

I'd highly recommend googling Wolfeville, NS. You will see that a couple of the country's best B&B/Inns are in this town. Also, if you come up in May, you'll catch the apple blossom festival. We always have the dyno at the big apple blossom car show. Would be a hoot to have half a dozen Marauders there, all making far more than anything else in sight.
Yes, I am keeping the automatic shifter. I love it. Its comfortable, and it looks stock. Plus, it has buttons on it that I can hook up for various nefarious accessories.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Would love to see a full write up on the manual conversion.

More pics and more details as it all goes along please.

I will do this the dash may have to come out when I relocate the EEC so I could show every one how it is done.

[Master]

Hey! Don't give away ALL of our secrets! :)
PS
Just kidding, of course. Share on...

[rayjay]

Those HP/TQ numbers show how much we loose through the slush box ATX.

[MM03MOK]

Hey, Nova Scotia is just a hop from New York, especially once the ferry from Mass starts running to Yarmouth in the spring. What's this? A ferry from MA to NS? I'm very interested in that!! Almost made it to NS this Fall but the timing wasn't right before the ferries stopped in Oct. from Portland. I hope it's the CAT! Rode one of those big CATs from Sydney Harbour out to Bondi Beach on our last trip to OZ.

[Master]

The cat runs from Boston to Yarmouth (or it did, at least). Never took the trip myself, but would like to someday. Wish it ran in the winter since that is when I seem to always be travelling.
The loss from the tranny is about 30rwhp between standard and auto. The numbers posted here include the other mods over the stock system. Just the tranny alone, though, is almost worth it for the power you instantly gain.
PS
1999 Baja 252 NOT For Sale..:)

[Dennis Reinhart]

OK here is what I found out today, I called Tremac gave them the ID # and it is a 12 ring pickup which is correct, so the OSS sensor is nothing more than a sensor that generates a signal the EEC giving vehicle speed, so I took a AC voltmeter connected it to the sensor had Michael drive the car on the lift and it appears it is generating a OSS signal. so the next thing I did was check for a open from the sensor to the EEC, and the wires were good. So tomorrow I have a EEC 5 brake out box

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with this I connect this in series with the cars EEC and I call look at very signal going in and coming out of the EEC, and I will solve this issue.

[Master]

Man, too weird that it didn't pick up right out of the box. I wonder if it might just be a clearance issue wherein the air gap is too great. Could this be possible?

[imorb1994]

so I took a AC voltmeter connected it to the sensor had Michael drive the car on the lift and it appears it is generating a OSS signal.


Man, too weird that it didn't pick up right out of the box. I wonder if it might just be a clearance issue wherein the air gap is too great. Could this be possible?

If this is what it is doing it's highly unlikely that the air gap is the problem.
But anything is possible

[Fourth Horseman]

Instead, how about F-16 stick complete with missle launch buttons and machine gun trigger! :lol:

Ooof! You mean a "pickle button" and it's a vulcan cannon, not a machine gun. :rolleyes: :D

Yes, I'm a combat flight sim geek in my spare time. ;)

[offroadkarter]

Um, you guys seeing pics of the car cause im not???

[Krytin]

You go for it, I wanna see it and perhaps do the same! Just call Sal and tell him to turn off all transmission controls. You wouldnt want to lose your perfect dyno tune.
I hear that!!
I might have to get the parts list from Master and do the install in my shop in Calverton - can also do some "drifting" road tests..........

[Dennis Reinhart]

Um, you guys seeing pics of the car cause im not???



There were deleted on the site upgrade. I willl host the pictures on my site for now on, this will preven this frome happeniong again

[Master]

Honestly, the parts list is about as extensive as this:
- One Tremec 6 speed tranny (our a four speed if you can find one)
- One set of Tempo clutch pedals (clutch will not move front/back with rest of pedals)
- One good friend who is a professional welder (for the cross beam)
- One clutch cable from a Mustang
- One piece of bent steel rod for the shifter.
- A bit of spare time
- A VERY knowledgeable tuner/fabricator like DR to bring the whole package together.

[shodude]

aww.. need pics. i'd love to have a 6-speed marauder. when i sell the mustang its gona kill me to be stuck in an autotragic all the time.

[Krytin]

Honestly, the parts list is about as extensive as this:
- One Tremec 6 speed tranny (our a four speed if you can find one)
- One set of Tempo clutch pedals (clutch will not move front/back with rest of pedals)
- One good friend who is a professional welder (for the cross beam)
- One clutch cable from a Mustang
- One piece of bent steel rod for the shifter.
- A bit of spare time
- A VERY knowledgeable tuner/fabricator like DR to bring the whole package together.
Thanks for that. I can handle all of the above except for the tuning.
Waiting to see how you make out.
What year Tempo for the clutch pedal or does that matter?

[Blackened300a]

Thanks for that. I can handle all of the above except for the tuning.

Agreed. We actually want the car to be drivable.

[Master]

Well, it was VERY driveable right out of the box without a tune. The issues we're dealing with are of a more anicilary nature - engine codes, tranny codes and no speedo. The tune for the auto, though, translated perfectly to the manual. The real tuning issues came from my putting the 5.0 in it.

[RR|Suki]

Well, it was VERY driveable right out of the box without a tune. The issues we're dealing with are of a more anicilary nature - engine codes, tranny codes and no speedo. The tune for the auto, though, translated perfectly to the manual. The real tuning issues came from my putting the 5.0 in it.

Why not just get a cobra or Mach 1 EEC? Maybe it's not plug and play though I dunno.

[offroadkarter]

Why not just get a cobra or Mach 1 EEC? Maybe it's not plug and play though I dunno.


I dont think they would plug in. All you have to do is tell the PCM that it wont be getting signals from the 4r70w anymore and it will stop throwing codes saying "wtf the trans is gone!"

[RR|Suki]

I dont think they would plug in. All you have to do is tell the PCM that it wont be getting signals from the 4r70w anymore and it will stop throwing codes saying "wtf the trans is gone!"

you've looked at the differences in the connection?

[offroadkarter]

you've looked at the differences in the connection?

No but its 2 different cars with 2 different PCM's

Wouldnt it just be easier to tell the stock PCM that it doesnt have an automatic, rather than repin the wires to make a cobra PCM work?

Just my thoughts.

[RR|Suki]

No but its 2 different cars with 2 different PCM's

Wouldnt it just be easier to tell the stock PCM that it doesnt have an automatic, rather than repin the wires to make a cobra PCM work?

Just my thoughts.

they are both EEC V so really that's a lot of assumptions without actually seeing them both

[Master]

Well, it took DR less than a day to get rid of all the codes, so I'd say it would likely be a wash either way. Pay for a new EEC or pay Dennis to cure the old one.

[Krytin]

No but its 2 different cars with 2 different PCM's

Wouldnt it just be easier to tell the stock PCM that it doesnt have an automatic, rather than repin the wires to make a cobra PCM work?

Just my thoughts.

When I asked him about a possible 5 speed conversion Sal at Powersurge told me a couple of years ago that it was posible to turn off the auto transmission part of the program and most likely the manual transmission programing was already loaded in the PCM but that it was almost certainly usless/generic programing that would have to be reworked to function properly in the Marauder. He was very confident it could be done. This should not be a major problem creating a new tune to run a Marauder w/a manual transmission - it looks like it almost done now.

[Master]

Again, the tune part is pretty much perfect. When I swapped trannys, I was making exactly the same power as the manual Machs. Apart from some codes, it ran like a top. Apparently, the codes were more "cautionary" rather than limp-mode enabling. All Dennis is doing with respect to the program is deleting the calls for anything "auto" related. It is really much, much simpler than any of us were ever lead to believe. I even remember when someone prostletised that the engine's in our cars were in slanty-wise and such and that such swaps wouldn't work because angles would be wrong. Speaking of wrong...

[Dennis Reinhart]

The issue is with no OSS sensor signal from the transmission, I have spoke to Tremec tech twice, and we have it narrowed down, turning off all transmission functions is not that hard, that has been taken care of the only DTC now is the OSS, we verified the wiring and used a ECC 5 break out box and verified there is no OSS signal. I will follow up and post more pictures after PRI which is this weekend.

[Georges93LX]

Wouldnt it just be easier to tell the stock PCM that it doesnt have an automatic, rather than repin the wires to make a cobra PCM work?


Been done many times over at CVN.

[Vortech347]

I wonder what just the 6-speed swap would net on the drag strip. Which ratio set is in this one? The 2.66 1st? or the 2.97 first?

[Krytin]

I don't know about anyone else but my interest in this swap is NOT for the drag strip.
Most drag racers are swaping IN automatics!
I just want manual control of the down/up shifts without the lag.

[Marauderjack]

I don't know about anyone else but my interest in this swap is NOT for the drag strip.
Most drag racers are swaping IN automatics!
I just want manual control of the down/up shifts without the lag.

Do the "J-Mod" and call it a day Krytin!!!:beer:

[Master]

Me too. Not interested in dragging a manual. Its built for autocross and road circuits, better mileage and better driveability.
My worst incident to date with an automatic was last year when I looped the explorer on an on-ramp. I accellerated (and yes, I knew it was slick), but the tranny decided to kick down. The sudden change in input made the rear end lose traction and I was around backwards so fast it litterally made my head spin (And for once, the term "litterally" is being used litterally).
I absolutely HATE automatics.

[MM03MOK]

There were deleted on the site upgrade. I willl host the pictures on my site for now on, this will preven this frome happeniong again
They weren't deleted. The Gallery is down while the server transition happens.

[RoyLPita]

I don't know about anyone else but my interest in this swap is NOT for the drag strip.
Most drag racers are swaping IN automatics!
I just want manual control of the down/up shifts without the lag.

Even a tune can quicken and firm up those shifts. I have a tune plus a TransGo Level 1 modified valve body.

[Master]

Quicken and firm-up still doesn't acheive the desired result - shift WHEN I want.

[Master]

When will the server have the photos available again? Remember, this site is my ONLY form of contact with my car. unless, of course, Dennis lets me install a webcam in his shop. :)

[Dennis Reinhart]

David I will repost them, and we have now verified that with a signal generator it will run the speedometer, so this verifies the ECM and wiring is ok, the issue now appears to be in the type of pickup in the transmission. I am waiting on a call from Tremec, call me when you get a chance.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Pictures are up

[Vortech347]

Weak, You havn't lived till you've ran a low 11 stick'd car down the 1/4.

Auto-x DEFINATLY, it would be a blast. I just locked mine in 1st.

[Master]

I used first, too when I went on the small track. It was pretty useless on the road circuit, though. Even if it had detents in the gears for the auto it would have helped somewhat. In the end, though, I was afraid of leaving the tranny on the track somewhere, and what with all the oil they hold, I'd have ended up being barred. I think the manual is the only solution.
I can't wait! Yahoo! I can sense driving the beast already!

[Vortech347]

Yea the courses I've auto'x my MM on were pretty small and wern't above 45ish mph and at the time I only had 3.73's. For a larger auto-x or road race rowing the gears is the only way to roll. That'll be a blast. A true drivers car will ALWAYS be a manual.

So what gear ratio's will you be running in the rear and trans? There are several for the T-56.

[Master]

Used to know, but now I can't remember. I have the 4.10s in the rear, and as I recall, these ran around 2200 rpm at 70 mph. I'll have to check the dyno graph though to be sure.

[Krytin]

Do the "J-Mod" and call it a day Krytin!!!:beer:
Did it over 50k miles ago - still not what I really want.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Problem solved, the good news is we found that the Tremac never had the 12 point exciter ring installed, so we can do that, the bad news is the transmission has to come out, I will post more pictures.

[Master]

Crap! Can't just do it by removing the tailshaft only, I guess. Glad you found the problem. Must have been a "race only" tranny application that didn't specify a speedo.

[Dennis Reinhart]

David I think its better to pull the trans, I can check every thing then, get rid of all the old auto stuff, to pull just the tail shaft would be harder do, the exhaust would have to be cut. I will call you Monday I am in Longwood this weekend relaxing and will be hard at it Monday, and I a going to call Tremec.

[Master]

Works for me. I don't need the car at the moment anyway :)
Saw a guy driving his Marauder across the "old" bridge to Halifax today. we actually had pretty nice weather, so I'm not surprised. Funny how, when I see a MGM or CV I think, yeah, nice cars - it'll be nice to get mine back. Then, I see a black Marauder go by and I'm suddenly reminded that our cars are a world apart from the everyday Panthers and I simply can't WAIT to get back behind the wheel.
January 11, 2009 can't get here fast enough. Wish my Calendar was supercharged!

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well we found the problem the out put shaft had no exciter ring, in should be between the 2 snap rings, this transmission never had one installed we ordered it today.

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[Master]

How VERY strange! Brand new in box, and no ring. Still think it must have been some wierd special order on the part of Ford. Can't imagine why else Tremec would build without it. At least its a solution, though.

[Krytin]

They make two six speeds - one for '99 - '04 Mustangs and Cobras and one for earlier models that require mechanical speedo connection.
The newmodel fits all 4.6l engines.

[Master]

This is the later unit with the electronic set-up (normally, that is).

[frdwrnch]

Some later model cars get the speed info from the ABS Module via the Data Link instead of a trans mounted speed sensor. That is probably why this one was built that way. Glad it's resolved.

[Master]

That is interesting. Would save on a redundant system since you need the rings for the abs anyway. Also interesting. THanks for the thought.

[Master]

Any new info to impart? Inquiring minds want to know! All the best either way...

[Dennis Reinhart]

Sorry David it had to come from Dearborn's hub, it will be here tomorrow were doing as discussed and pulling the motor and replacing all freeze plugs with brass, more pictures to follow.

[Master]

Nothing to be sorry about. I've just finally allowed myself to imagine actually driving the car again - must be the Christmas spirit. I knew when I dropped the car off that I'd not be seeing the old girl for almost a year, so I didn't allow myself to think about her. Now, though, when I can almost taste a completed project, well, that's a different story. Merry Christmas to me! Can't wait!
Thanks again for looking after the ole girl!

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thank god problem solved we ar now hard at it a again,

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[Master]

Phwew! Fine looking ring!

[Master]

Care to take any wild guesses as to the numbers we might see? I'm at the point now of actually being excited, so I'm willing to start imagining the wonderful outcome rather than simply waiting for it...
:)

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well we will have the motor and trans back in probably Monday, so hopefully will have some numbers real soon while the engine is out I will detail the engine and hood again and re'wire and hide the EEC.

[Master]

Oohhh! Sounds awesome! Its gonna be a great Birthday, I must say. Joanna is taking me to Matt Anderson for New Year's/Birthday (www.stubbyfingers.com) combo, followed by trip to Texas on the 8th for work, then to your shop on the 11/12th, the actual B'day. A heck of a week, if you ask me.

[Dennis Reinhart]

We are now in the process of installing Davids fuel system, which will consist of twin GT pumps. Dash 8 SS line through a Kinsler turbo fuel filter, PHP fuel rails Sieman 60 lb injectors, we took the transmission out to fix the missing pickup ring in the transmission, and noticed a AF leak out of the only freeze plug on this engine, so we replaced that with a brass freeze plug, since David lives in NS.

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We should have the motor and trans back in by Thursday.

[Master]

Well, I'm off to Texas first thing tomorrow morning and won't return till late Sunday night. However, I will continue to follow the progress on-line while I'm away. Very entertaining to watch my own car get "built". We need streaming video from your Shop, Dennis. Now, wouldn't that be a hoot - a "DynoCam".

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well today Steve got the motor back in the car we moved the EEC and was just about to install the transmission when we found this.

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So now was the time to change this, and the PP and disk was fine, so the car is coming along.

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[Dennis Reinhart]

New rotors and caliper paint, we are doing the same thing on the 2000 CV

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[Dennis Reinhart]

I got Davids shifter back Tracy, redid all the welds and angled it back so there is plenty of clearence from the dash.

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[Master]

Bit more professional than the cobbled affair that I sent it down with. Even painted, eh? Interesting side-note: The shop that did the initial conversion had a cobra 6-speed in at the same time. Their first observation was how much more easily the MM shifted than did the factory Cobra 6-speed. They said by comparison, the Cobra felt stiff and clunky. I didn't try the Cobra, but I know that the 'Rauder shifted almost as smoothly as some compacts I've driven. I honestly wish we could have track day once it is finished where everyone who is interested in the conversion could come out and try it. One good drive and you'd be sold on the idea.
Dennis: Does the new geometry shorten the throw or is it about the same as before?
Everyone Else: What should I connect the factory buttons to? Had initially thought of a "NOS Arm" relay for O/D and a "NOS Engage" for the detent button. With the supercharger and meth kit, though, NOS is not going to be an option. So, what else could we use them for?

[TooManyFords]

I got Davids shifter back Tracy, redid all the welds and angled it back so there is plenty of clearence from the dash.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1231683682-sixspeed.jpg

For the love of GOD, please don't put that shifter in the car

That would look GAY....

[Dennis Reinhart]

Bit more professional than the cobbled affair that I sent it down with. Even painted, eh? Interesting side-note: The shop that did the initial conversion had a cobra 6-speed in at the same time. Their first observation was how much more easily the MM shifted than did the factory Cobra 6-speed. They said by comparison, the Cobra felt stiff and clunky. I didn't try the Cobra, but I know that the 'Rauder shifted almost as smoothly as some compacts I've driven. I honestly wish we could have track day once it is finished where everyone who is interested in the conversion could come out and try it. One good drive and you'd be sold on the idea.
Dennis: Does the new geometry shorten the throw or is it about the same as before?
Everyone Else: What should I connect the factory buttons to? Had initially thought of a "NOS Arm" relay for O/D and a "NOS Engage" for the detent button. With the supercharger and meth kit, though, NOS is not going to be an option. So, what else could we use them for?

No David it will just keep yo from hitting the dash, on power shifts

[Dennis Reinhart]

For the love of GOD, please don't put that shifter in the car

That would look GAY....

You know that comment is really not needed or deserved, there are things about your own car that not every member here, may not care for, but I have seen no derogatory posts about you, and David has a unique car, and once this is installed with the leather boot I think it will look great, he also can use the overdrive button latter on for his nitrous when he adds it.

[TooManyFords]

It -was- needed! Put a nice Hurts T-Handle on there with a thumb switch. Otherwise you might as well add one of those big ugly doorknobs to the steering wheel too... LOL!

( :D )

Honestly, there is a time and a place for everything, and that factory shifter handle does not belong there. All that hard work to convert it to a manual -deserves- a shifter that says so. Same reason I switched mine to a Husrt Quarter-Stick after putting in a TH400 / GV Overdrive...

Let the world know you mean business...

Please, at least give him the option!

[Vortech347]

Or, why not just use a 03/04 cobra knob.

[NATEHAWK]

Let them do what they want. Worry about your own cars for a change.

[carfixer]

You could use the button for Line Lock.

[TooManyFords]

Nobody is further out in left-field than me....

It's just an opinion.

[RoyLPita]

Bit more professional than the cobbled affair that I sent it down with. Even painted, eh? Interesting side-note: The shop that did the initial conversion had a cobra 6-speed in at the same time. Their first observation was how much more easily the MM shifted than did the factory Cobra 6-speed. They said by comparison, the Cobra felt stiff and clunky. I didn't try the Cobra, but I know that the 'Rauder shifted almost as smoothly as some compacts I've driven. I honestly wish we could have track day once it is finished where everyone who is interested in the conversion could come out and try it. One good drive and you'd be sold on the idea.
Dennis: Does the new geometry shorten the throw or is it about the same as before?
Everyone Else: What should I connect the factory buttons to? Had initially thought of a "NOS Arm" relay for O/D and a "NOS Engage" for the detent button. With the supercharger and meth kit, though, NOS is not going to be an option. So, what else could we use them for?

If and when you make it to South Forida, I'll take you up on that offer.

[2,4shofast]

You could use the button for Line Lock.


I didnt even think about that...very good idea and it gets my vote/:beer:

[Master]

Yup. I like the line lock idea, too. Use the thumb switch for that and the O/D for NOS arming. Now we're getting somewhere. I've never liked anything by Hurst, and can't stand things like those hard ball shifters of the sort Ford put in the Bullit. The stock Ford shifter is big, comfortable, and doesn't look out of place in this car. I want subtle. Not trying to make any statements or tell people what I've got. Apart you all of you, that is.

[scruff]

Let Master get what he wants afterall he is the paying customer and the customer is always right. Right

[Master]

Hey "Scruff". Thanks for the support, regardless of what your own opinion may be. Welcome, by the way. Haven't noticed you around before, though I see you've got over a hundred posts. Where is "Stayner", anyway? Here its a wicked live music blues/jazz restaurant (Stayner's Wharf).

[scruff]

Howdy Bro well Stayner ontario is 1.5 hr drive north of Toronto its a small town surrounded by farming community a short distance away we have the famous wasaga beach longest fresh water beach in the world very hot place in the summer and a short distance to the west of me there is the Blue Mountains village ski resort. I live on a farm here and it is a snow blizzard here at the moment. Cheers

[Master]

Snow and blizzard warning here for the next six hours, too. I feel for ya! I looked at the Canada Weather Website and 95% (literally) of the country is painted in RED for warnings or watches. What a year!
Lets ALL meet in Florida for a drive in March just to get our spirits up before our spring arrives in June.

[grampaws]

Going down to minus 20deg. C here>> Brrrr!!

[Marauderjack]

Hard to remember how HOT it was in the Summer when it's -20*...eh (Canuck term)??:confused:

How do y'all stand it??:cool:

It's 41* here and KILLING ME!!!!:argue::mad2::help: :shake:

Marauderjack...Brrrr!!:bigcry:

[Master]

We dream of fast cars, sunny days, and Canadian beer by the poolside (well, not me. I don't drink - but cheers to the rest!)

[scruff]

the weather man now is calling for -30 with the wind chill factor thrown in, i have my front end loader pluged in hopefully it will start provideing the batteries dont freeze up, i,m looking out at 5ft snow drifts across my driveway already. the land is very flat around here so when the wind blows its hell. I,m thinking of a road trip to florida feb or mar would be nice

[Master]

8 degrees, sunny and raining (on and off). Will be -15 or therebouts after supper. The wild swings are outrageous!

[rayjay]

I'm glad we are not the only ones having a "record" winter. Stay warm. :cool:

[Master]

Thanks. We'll try. Its already dropped 12 degrees since noon and is expected to drop another 5-10 tonight. Yahoo :(
I guess I shouldn't be wasting so much webspace on the weather when I could be looking at pictures of my car at DR's, eh?

[Master]

Hey Dennis,
When you finally get the machine assembled and out to the track, I'd be interested in your opinion of the gearing. It has the 4.10s now and I'm on the fence about that being too short for the six speed. Would really like your opinion on this one. Maybe with the 6-speed and the output we are hoping for, the stock gears would be more effective.

[Vortech347]

To TALL. If that has a 2.66 first gear you'll want 4.30's. I hope its got the 2.97 1st.

Also the 6th will be ALOT taller than the O/D in the auto. 4.30's would actually put you about where you were before RPM wise.

[Master]

I found that the RPM were a little higher, actually, with the 4:10s.

[Vortech347]

6th gear in a T-56 thats cobra' spec is .62 Viper spec is .50
OD in MM's is .70.

6th gear IS TALLER. There for lowering your RPMS in 6th gear from the factory overdrive.

[Krytin]

I thought that you would want to drop the rpm with a six speed where 5th & 6th are both OD.
What's the point of 6 speeds if you end up at the same place as the automatic?
If drag racing is the main objective keep the automatic. For all but the most experienced drivers the automatic will turn in faster more consistent times than the manual.

[Master]

Well, I had purchased the 4.10s before the swap. After the swap, I found that at cruise there was an objectionable drone. I tried the 4.10s and it upped the RPM and got rid of the drone. Much nicer ride now. The only thing I'm worried about is 1st being TOO low for practical purposes. I really don't drag so that is not a concern. I do autocross and do Solo 1s and Schools oh, and track days. So, the 6 speed is rather a must. Just have to fine tune what I want from the gears.
I think that even with the 4.10s it has some ridiculous theoretical top speed of 185 mph or something silly. Just have to see how close it will come to actually hitting that if Dennis can wring my desired 650 rwhp out of it. :)

[Master]

Oh, and it was a Cobra spec motor as I recall. Somewhere in my volume of e-mails I have info from Tremec on the ratios and 0.62 sounds about right.

[Krytin]

Well, I had purchased the 4.10s before the swap. After the swap, I found that at cruise there was an objectionable drone. I tried the 4.10s and it upped the RPM and got rid of the drone. Much nicer ride now. The only thing I'm worried about is 1st being TOO low for practical purposes. I really don't drag so that is not a concern. I do autocross and do Solo 1s and Schools oh, and track days. So, the 6 speed is rather a must. Just have to fine tune what I want from the gears.
I think that even with the 4.10s it has some ridiculous theoretical top speed of 185 mph or something silly. Just have to see how close it will come to actually hitting that if Dennis can wring my desired 650 rwhp out of it. :)
That was some of the info I had been meening to ask you about -thanks!
I can't wait until I get the $'s together for this!
Keep us posted as you autocross it - Iwant to know how you make out.

[Vortech347]

First won't be to low. The cobra spec trans has a 2.66 1st. Its very tall.

Try auto-xing a car with a 3.27 1st and 4.30s. Now that is a blast. :)

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well the SC is installed, it is a polished Novi 1500, the pipes will be gloss Black, 60 pound injectors twin GT fuel pumps dash 8 line, TR6 plugs 410 gears and tremec six speed manual transmission, debating on the maf but I will start posting pictures.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well the blower is on with the complete fuel system, I installed the pipes tonight, but I left the camera at home today, so I will post those tomorrow, along with all that is going on we stay at Davids car, now I am installing a laptop computer stand, along with many many other mods I should have the car on the dyno Friday, so more to come.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1234312997-NOVI1.JPG

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1234313026-DAVIDNOVI.JPG

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1234313101-NOVIDAVIDCR.JPG

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1234313159-PHPFUELRAIL.JPG

As I always do, the entire hood and car will be detailed when done.

[sd8683]

Wasn't he suppose to pick his car up in the beginning of January:confused:

[Dennis Reinhart]

David was coming, but had business in another State, and those plans got delayed, so I wanted to do some more additions to the car. David is the one that I am most concerned with, we just added a computer stand, so he can call tomorrow and say Dennis I will see you in the spring and it would not matter to me.

[sd8683]

I can not see why you are confused, David was coming, but had business in another State, and those plans got delayed, so I wanted to do some more additions to the car. David is the one that I am most concerned with, we just added a computer stand, so he can call tomorrow and say Dennis I will see you in the spring and it would not matter to me.

I thought he picked up the car already.... That's all.

[Dennis Reinhart]

No problem David could not be here last month so it is no problem at all.

[Master]

Welcome to winter travel, eh? Had the tickets in hand, made it to New Jersey, spent a day in the airport, then went back to Nova Scotia. No Texas, no Florida, lots of snow.
Oh well, I'll have more to look forward to than Disneyland when I hit Florida in March.

[RoyLPita]

Welcome to winter travel, eh? Had the tickets in hand, made it to New Jersey, spent a day in the airport, then went back to Nova Scotia. No Texas, no Florida, lots of snow.
Oh well, I'll have more to look forward to than Disneyland when I hit Florida in March.

I hope that you can make it down to the Southern area of Florida. It would be neat to see the beast in person.

[burt ragio]

This is one sweet ride your having built. I have enjoyed following the progress & looking foward to the completion. It would be nice to have a vidio showing your ear to ear smile of joy at your 1st ride.

[Master]

I'm going down with family to Disney for a week, but Joanna and I will want to take some time to ourselves - Kayaking in the everglades, swimming with Manatees, things like that, so we will definitely be travelling about. We'll have the car with us for this trip by the sounds of it, so we'll let you guys know the dates as they get closer.

[Baaad GN]

Hey guys this should be really cool! A freind of mine had his Chevy Impala done just like this, could brake tires loose in 1st through third gear. NOOOO don't hammer me re chevy, just to show this has been done by others. I asked him the other night who did his car and he gave me this site to check out, WWW.Bigfastcar.com (http://www.Bigfastcar.com). Think they do GM only so just passing on to show what others have done.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Pipes are on will install the Maf and should have it on the dyno tomorrow.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1234461092-IMG_2380.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1234461621-IMG_2378.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1234461669-IMG_2377.jpg

[Master]

Decided on draw-through, eh? What was the final reasoning? Anything in particular or just an even-odds decision? Looks good, though, either way. I'll have to polish that upper intake and alternator before it can be seen at any shows I guess.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I wanted to try some thing different, and I think with your cams it will have a better idle quality call me when you can.:beer: