race to the 12s.

[FordNut]

I'm anxiously waiting for one of these newbies to show us how it's done...

[Bradley G]

So the noobs should not be discouraged to ask questions for the fiftyith billionth time.
No one is calling your name out , to answer, you could move on like "Nothing interests me here , I think I"ll move on"
They should also not be told to use the search feature, unless it's for lack of knowledge.
I feel the search feature rarely yields the information or old post that I'm looking for.
Attitude is everything!:sunshine:

[O's Fan Rich]

So the noobs should not be discouraged to ask questions for the fiftyith billionth time.
No one is calling your name out , to answer, you could move on like "Nothing interests me here , I think I"ll move on"
They should also not be told to use the search feature, unless it's for lack of knowledge.
I feel the search feature rarely yields the information or old post that I'm looking for.
Attitude is everything!:sunshine:

Really, Brad? I use it a lot. On here and other forums... it always gives me something. Just need the right keywords.

[Bradley G]

I use it too Rich, but Sometime it's the keyword information that I must lack , cause I usually rely on you guys to help me find *****.:bows:
Really, Brad? I use it a lot. On here and other forums... it always gives me something. Just need the right keywords.

[ctrlraven]

you can use many different tire sizes for 16's, 250/50R16,235/60R16,255/55R16,225/60R16s ect ect, silly 4v guys :lol:
We have our 4v lingo, you have your 2v lingo.

:burnout:

[O's Fan Rich]

I use it too Rich, but Sometime it's the keyword information that I must lack , cause I usually rely on you guys to help me find *****.:bows:

Yep, that's the key!
Just the other day, I searched, "Butthead" and I finally found myself!!!

That's awesome when that happens!

[Paul T. Casey]

Yep, that's the key!
Just the other day, I searched, "Butthead" and I finally found myself!!!

That's awesome when that happens!

I searched hottest tatooed leg avatar and also found you.

[O's Fan Rich]

I searched hottest tatooed leg avatar and also found you.

I've been finding that my avatar does have a wide appeal!

[Bradley G]

That is Doms pic and you know it!:P
Yep, that's the key!
Just the other day, I searched, "Butthead" and I finally found myself!!!

That's awesome when that happens!

[Vortech347]

I don't think there is a 250 tire.

[Quickvic30]

i don't think there is a 250 tire.

255..........?

[ctrlraven]

:bump: :bump:

[Pops]

Should be time for the first attempts at this! Who has been to the track this year? :)

[O's Fan Rich]

Should be time for the first attempts at this! Who has been to the track this year? :)

No one has posted times near that yet, John..... a few went to capital... but they got beat up by a bunch of ricers it seems........:D

[Glenn]

So what's the hold up here -------------????????????? Snow is melted and the tracks are open - I think!! What's going on with all the key board racing guys? I thought I would be out my $100 by now.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[ctrlraven]

Whenever I get a head something always pulls me back. Had to pay for some repairs to some other cars so rear gear/exhaust money went out the door. I'm not in any rush, it will happen when it happens.

[merc]

So what's the hold up here -------------????????????? Snow is melted and the tracks are open - I think!! What's going on with all the key board racing guys? I thought I would be out my $100 by now.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

Glenn, you can hold on to your money. The 12 second crew needs a stimulus pack. Now we have to wait till October or November. Until then, it's keyboard racing at it's best.

[Pops]

Glenn, you can hold on to your money. The 12 second crew needs a stimulus pack. Now we have to wait till October or November. Until then, it's keyboard racing at it's best.

We have a few cars on these boards that I would like to see hit that air Merc!

[merc]

We have a few cars on these boards that I would like to see hit that air Merc!

I was playing around yesterday with my car. I got my IAT2 temps up to 180 with pump off. The inserted the fuse and it got no higher then 109. I wanted more flow so I am adding a higher output pump or a duel pump configuration. This carp never ends. You might want to think about that mod John.

[Pops]

I know all about the never ending stuff Merc!

[Paul T. Casey]

In all fairness, some of the biggest noise makers were in New England. They're looking at an April 1 opening day. Still, I'd be willing to race most of them, but we could all get fooled.

[Pops]

In all fairness, some of the biggest noise makers were in New England. They're looking at an April 1 opening day. Still, I'd be willing to race most of them, but we could all get fooled.


They would have to get up pretty ealy to get over you Paul! ;)

[ImpalaSlayer]

i for one never said id do it with in 2 weeks of the track opening. im probly going to skip the 13s and right into the mid-low 12s. ;)

[ctrlraven]

Glenn I love how you want it done right now when you want it. You've waited this long, you can wait a little longer. :P

$100 doesn't won't make me rush out and slap anything and everything on my car to get the title of "First stock bore NA street MM".

I will take my time, do careful planing and testing.

[Blackened300a]

Glenn I love how you want it done right now when you want it. You've waited this long, you can wait a little longer. :P

$100 doesn't won't make me rush out and slap anything and everything on my car to get the title of "First stock bore NA street MM".

I will take my time, do careful planing and testing.

Exactly, I plan to have my final mods and possibly a tune in time for All-Fords@Etown (All-Fords@Etown).

[Vortech347]

So any progress?

[Glenn]

"Glenn, you can hold on to your money. The 12 second crew needs a stimulus pack. Now we have to wait till October or November. Until then, it's keyboard racing at it's best. Merc"
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Merc:

I completely agree -It certainly will not happen this year. A lot of Hot Air and key board racing and that's about it. Us olde dogs will just keep running our 11's and 10's when the yunins are still struggling with their 13s and dreaming about the 12s.

Glenn :burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

"Glenn, you can hold on to your money. The 12 second crew needs a stimulus pack. Now we have to wait till October or November. Until then, it's keyboard racing at it's best. Merc"
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Merc:

I completely agree -It certainly will not happen this year. A lot of Hot Air and key board racing and that's about it. Us olde dogs will just keep running our 11's and 10's when the yunins are still struggling with their 13s and dreaming about the 12s.

Glenn :burnout:


pfffff hahahahaha :laugh:

[sd8683]

"Glenn, you can hold on to your money. The 12 second crew needs a stimulus pack. Now we have to wait till October or November. Until then, it's keyboard racing at it's best. Merc"
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Merc:

I completely agree -It certainly will not happen this year. A lot of Hot Air and key board racing and that's about it. Us olde dogs will just keep running our 11's and 10's when the yunins are still struggling with their 13s and dreaming about the 12s.

Glenn :burnout:


Geez!!! Friggin broken record!!!!!!!!!!!!

[O's Fan Rich]

Geez!!! Friggin broken record!!!!!!!!!!!!

But on the good side, Schilling retired.....:D

[ctrlraven]

"Glenn, you can hold on to your money. The 12 second crew needs a stimulus pack. Now we have to wait till October or November. Until then, it's keyboard racing at it's best. Merc"
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Merc:

I completely agree -It certainly will not happen this year. A lot of Hot Air and key board racing and that's about it. Us olde dogs will just keep running our 11's and 10's when the yunins are still struggling with their 13s and dreaming about the 12s.

Glenn :burnout:
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[Glenn]

Braggin' Rights go to the fastest car(s) - I don't see many MMs in this thread faster then 11.9 except Merc. So brag on Merc and Glenn Ford. When you go faster then Time Slip position #18 you can also brag. I don't see any braggin' rights granted in this entire thread except maybe for two MM owners that back up their mouths with action results. Where are the results in this thread - there are none! I'm losing faith with all the key board racing and cheap shots! It's SPRING fellows - the snow is melted in the North. I've been on the track since 1/31. What gives!

Glenn Ford :flamer:

[ImpalaSlayer]

Braggin' Rights go to the fastest car(s) - I don't see many MMs in this thread faster then 11.9 except Merc. So brag on Merc and Glenn Ford. When you go faster then Time Slip position #18 you can also brag. I don't see any braggin' rights granted in this entire thread except maybe for two MM owners that back up their mouths with action results. Where are the results in this thread - there are none! I'm losing faith with all the key board racing and cheap shots! It's SPRING fellows - the snow is melted in the North. I've been on the track since 1/31. What gives!

Glenn Ford :flamer:


been to the track severl time i have some issues

[Joe Walsh]

As soon as I get my 3.90 gears installed, I plan on going to the track to confirm that I am still in the 12s....:D

[merc]

been to the track severl time i have some issues

Sorry to hear you had problems Dave. I am aiming for Pinks second chance at MIR in May. Due to upgrades and tuning it will be a couple of months before I burn rubber.

[ctrlraven]

Braggin' Rights go to the fastest car(s) - I don't see many MMs in this thread faster then 11.9 except Merc. So brag on Merc and Glenn Ford. When you go faster then Time Slip position #18 you can also brag. I don't see any braggin' rights granted in this entire thread except maybe for two MM owners that back up their mouths with action results. Where are the results in this thread - there are none! I'm losing faith with all the key board racing and cheap shots! It's SPRING fellows - the snow is melted in the North. I've been on the track since 1/31. What gives!

Glenn Ford :flamer:
Want a cookie?

OoOoOoOo two owners that can't back up there mouths with action :lol:

I know Merc can back up his talk, I've seen CARHOG in action plenty of times, it's a hell of a car and wish him the best to keep getting faster.

This thread isn't about s/c cars so why are you even bringing it up? It's about NA cars getting into the 12's that's it. You're the only one doing keyboard racing acting like you demand us to race when you want us to. Sorry doesn't work that way. Not everyone has the funds, means and time to get things taken care of asap.

[FordNut]

I'm surprised to see this thread staying alive. N/A 12's ain't gonna happen. The ones that keep insisting they're gonna do it can't afford what takes to TRY.

[sd8683]

I'm surprised to see this thread staying alive. N/A 12's ain't gonna happen. The ones that keep insisting they're gonna do it can't afford what takes to TRY.

How do you know what we can and can't afford??? Speak for yourself.

[ImpalaSlayer]

How do you know what we can and can't afford??? Speak for yourself.


well said.

[merc]

Want a cookie?

OoOoOoOo two owners that can't back up there mouths with action :lol:

I know Merc can back up his talk, I've seen CARHOG in action plenty of times, it's a hell of a car and wish him the best to keep getting faster.

This thread isn't about s/c cars so why are you even bringing it up? It's about NA cars getting into the 12's that's it. You're the only one doing keyboard racing acting like you demand us to race when you want us to. Sorry doesn't work that way. Not everyone has the funds, means and time to get things taken care of asap.

Sorry for hi-jacking the thread. It's going to take money and time to be the 12 second N/A top dog. Like Brian says, it takes cash to make this dream come true. I personally think time is not your friend. High mileage marauder are not the ticket to the promise land. The keys to victory is having a aggressive tune, race only. Drag tires, weight reduce, and a jockey that is under 150 pounds could be helpful. This 12 second dream will not come easy. What I would like to see is more competitive track wins in the N/A camp. Learn how be put your 13-14 second cars in the winners circle. I have seen what others have done in the CAM camp. Some of you have stepped up there game. Let's see that trend continue. :burnout:

[FordNut]

How do you know what we can and can't afford??? Speak for yourself.


well said.

If y'all have got the money to do the necessary mods but you're still talking about it instead of just doing it, must be something else holding you back. Maybe FEAR...

[Blackened300a]

Maybe FEAR...

I have the funds but I will agree with FEAR. FEAR as in if I need that cash to support my bills if I end up unemployed with the way the economy is. Otherwise you would have seen several threads with me explaining my new mods.

Im managing my money and I plan to be a contender before the end of the year. We waited 6 years for a stock bore Marauder to break the 12's, a few more months wont mean much at this point.

[Paul T. Casey]

.
a stock bore Marauder to break the 12's

Stock bore? I thought is was supposed to be stock displacement. No flame intended, I'm still rooting for this to happen.

[ctrlraven]

Sorry for hi-jacking the thread. It's going to take money and time to be the 12 second N/A top dog. Like Brian says, it takes cash to make this dream come true. I personally think time is not your friend. High mileage marauder are not the ticket to the promise land. The keys to victory is having a aggressive tune, race only. Drag tires, weight reduce, and a jockey that is under 150 pounds could be helpful. This 12 second dream will not come easy. What I would like to see is more competitive track wins in the N/A camp. Learn how be put your 13-14 second cars in the winners circle. I have seen what others have done in the CAM camp. Some of you have stepped up there game. Let's see that trend continue. :burnout:
No apology needed. Anything is possible, what it comes down to is really at least trying. I'd rather try and fail then never tried at all. My car is already a solid 13.7x car as is. I still have full exhaust, water pump, pulleys, plugs, 4.10 gears, possible shift kit, msd 2-step, dyno tune/race gas tune and just a little more weight reduction. If those mods do not do it then I will look into heads/intake from http://www.naztyperformance.com/ or might do Ford GT heads like Todd since I have head/intake clearence room with my cowl hood. So that's my plan, I have nothing to hide about what stuff I will use and do. After each part install I will document it and make some runs after the part is installed.

Hmmm jockey under 150 lbs.....I will have to talk to Sherman then :lol:

[DTRMiguel]

Can we takeout seats and remove the headlight?

[ImpalaSlayer]

I have the funds but I will agree with FEAR. FEAR as in if I need that cash to support my bills if I end up unemployed with the way the economy is. Otherwise you would have seen several threads with me explaining my new mods.

Im managing my money and I plan to be a contender before the end of the year. We waited 6 years for a stock bore Marauder to break the 12's, a few more months wont mean much at this point.


guess he hasnt turned the news on...

[Glenn]

DTR:

Taking the seats out is against Blackened's rule, but the HL is OK.


In all seriousness fellows, we really need to stop the attempt to run NA 12's. It just can not be done and alot of good money may be spent trying to do the impossible when other bills need to be paid to live. Several net members have spent over $20,000 and couldn't do it. So let's all call it a great thread experience and leave it at that. Lock this thread down and let's all move on to better things. It's be fun.

Glenn Ford :beer:

PS: Put your money toward a Trilogy SC and run with the big dogs at SSHS9 - see you there.

[ImpalaSlayer]

DTR:

Taking the seats out is against Blackened's rule, but the HL is OK.


In all seriousness fellows, we really need to stop the attempt to run NA 12's. It just can not be done and alot of good money may be spent trying to do the impossible when other bills need to be paid to live. Several net members have spent over $20,000 and couldn't do it. So let's all call it a great thread experience and leave it at that. Lock this thread down and let's all move on to better things. It's be fun.

Glenn Ford :beer:

PS: Put your money toward a Trilogy SC and run with the big dogs at SSHS9 - see you there.

thanks but no thanks.

[Rocknthehawk]

Glenn, stop being an *******, and let them have fun...isn't that what maraudering is about?

I'd like to see threads based on your continuing statement of the large amount of $$ spent trying to break 12's N/A. Not disputting it, just curious to see what others have done in comparision to the current heavyweights.

[DTRMiguel]

DTR:

Lock this thread down and let's all move on to better things.

Cool we will let you know when its done through another thread that way u wont get on everyweek and ask if its done yet. Knowing that we will let the world know when it is done. Sit back and relax Glenn It will be done in due time :beer:

[ctrlraven]

DTR:

Taking the seats out is against Blackened's rule, but the HL is OK.


In all seriousness fellows, we really need to stop the attempt to run NA 12's. It just can not be done and alot of good money may be spent trying to do the impossible when other bills need to be paid to live. Several net members have spent over $20,000 and couldn't do it. So let's all call it a great thread experience and leave it at that. Lock this thread down and let's all move on to better things. It's be fun.

Glenn Ford :beer:

PS: Put your money toward a Trilogy SC and run with the big dogs at SSHS9 - see you there.
Move on to better things? No one invited you into this thread, don't like it then stop coming back and posting.

Btw with all this smack you type you're wasting time. You really should be out at the track shooting for low 11's or high 10's rather than in here.

Start worrying about yourself more than us 12 sec NA dreamers.

Thanks and have a nice day.

End of discussion.

[Pops]

Some of you guys are getting a little testy here! Those of us who have tried would like to see you guys do it. We also know how hard it will be to get the job done. I like what Merc posted up about you NA guys just going out and winning some events. The tracks will be open all over the country here soon! :)

[Blackened300a]

Several net members have spent over $20,000 and couldn't do it. So let's all call it a great thread experience and leave it at that. Lock this thread down and let's all move on to better things. It's be fun.
Glenn Ford :beer:.

Who exactly spent $20K for mods and couldn't do it?
I made a error in my previous post, Its a stock bore, stock displacement, and stock internal engine in a Marauder with full interior and DOT street legal tires. Any tune, rear gear, and NA mod are acceptable per rules that were agreed on.

I will not give up until I have all the required NA mods installed and a strong tune. If I make the runs and its not going to happen then you win. Feel free to gloat but at least give credit where its due for guys going for something that has never been accomplished.

I would like to think the negativity is just your way of motovating us more and not really wanting us to fail.

[ctrlraven]

Yeah I would like to know who spent $20k to stay NA and get into the 12's :lol:.

Fact is the people who have spent $8k or whatever on a Trilogy kit on a bone stock car are running the fine line of 12/13 sec barrier (mostly low 13s though). Sorry that doesn't excite me enough to drop that much on a s/c kit, where I could spend less and be right around the same time. Now sure if I did it now I am sure I would be mid 12's or low 12's possibly but I don't have a desire to be that fast at this moment.

Btw Glenn if I get into the 12's while being NA I don't want your money, you can donate it to the site in my name, though I will gladly accept a plaque for doing it.

[Blackened300a]

.Btw Glenn if I get into the 12's while being NA I don't want your money, you can donate it to the site in my name, though I will gladly accept a plaque for doing it.

+1 Donate in my name. I do want the hardware though. It will be my new sig and avatar pic.

[merc]

I do understand your thoughts in this matter, but you have some of the facts wrong. A high 12 second Marauder will not function to it's maximum ability except in cold air below 50 degrees and exceptional track conditions. To add further impact, your goal may not be repeatable. Meaning once you have made that 12 second run the second pass will be in the 13 second range. Those are the simple facts of drag racing street cars. The trilogy kit will surpass your N/A goals and bring you to a higher level of performance. I did the N/A thing for years when most didn't have a supercharger in the Marauder community. I had fun and won some competitions. Supercharging wakes this car up, Big Time, and you won't look back. I can name a ton of generation 1 owners that put big money in there cars. Those pioneers paved the way for us today. Not everyone wants to be Speedracer, but that's the direction you are heading.

Good luck with your dreams.


Yeah I would like to know who spent $20k to stay NA and get into the 12's :lol:.

Fact is the people who have spent $8k or whatever on a Trilogy kit on a bone stock car are running the fine line of 12/13 sec barrier (mostly low 13s though). Sorry that doesn't excite me enough to drop that much on a s/c kit, where I could spend less and be right around the same time. Now sure if I did it now I am sure I would be mid 12's or low 12's possibly but I don't have a desire to be that fast at this moment.

Btw Glenn if I get into the 12's while being NA I don't want your money, you can donate it to the site in my name, though I will gladly accept a plaque for doing it.

[DTRMiguel]

Hey i noticed the member "red" ran 13.55 not all the bolt ons is he interested in this running?

[ctrlraven]

He is no longer NA.

[DTRMiguel]

What was barry's fastest run NA?

[sd8683]

Hey i noticed the member "red" ran 13.55 not all the bolt ons is he interested in this running?


I think red is super charged now

[ImpalaSlayer]

Barry ran a 13.2

[Blackened300a]

Barry ran a 13.2

With crappy tires in 80 degree weather, but yet they claim we are wasting our time. :rolleyes:

[ImpalaSlayer]

With crappy tires in 80 degree weather, but yet they claim we are wasting our time. :rolleyes:


oh thats right i forgot, ill call Jerry now.....

[DTRMiguel]

Anyone have a list of his mods?

[Blackened300a]

Anyone have a list of his mods?

I believe it was 4.10s, full headers and exhaust, a race gas tune and the common NA bolt-ons.

[merc]

With crappy tires in 80 degree weather, but yet they claim we are wasting our time. :rolleyes:

I was in Hagerstown's when Barry hit 13.2 and it was not a 80 degree day. Keep on dreaming, you need cold air to reduce the tenths. Don't call Jerry unless you want to show him a check. I think I still have the video. The tires he was running was used (bold) Pirelli P-Zero. He also had a lot less mileage on his engine then most of you, that also helps.

[DTRMiguel]

I believe it was 4.10s, full headers and exhaust, a race gas tune and the common NA bolt-ons.

Thats the question was it all the available NA bolt ons?

[Blackened300a]

I was in Hagerstown's when Barry hit 13.2 and it was not a 80 degree day. Keep on dreaming, you need cold air to reduce the tenths. Don't call Jerry unless you want to show him a check. I think I still have the video. The tires he was running was used (bold) Pirelli P-Zero. He also had a lot less mileage on his engine then most of you, that also helps.


Yes.
Stock motor with no forced induction.

Very cool evening, using a Lidio tune for 110 octane.
I had all the basic bolt-ons with 4:10 gears. I was using a 3000 stall and the j-mod on the trans. I was also running worn slick 295 Pirelli street tires.

With slicks, I believe I could have broke into the 12 second area that evening. She ran 13.2xx all evening hot lapping.


Here's a little incentive guys.
Street gas tune, humid, and like 85 degrees on the track that day.

I have a 13.2 video, but it doesn't show the time board.

6KhmBicMZjI


So I guess Barry lied then, Im going based on what he posted in a previous thread about his own car.

[merc]

So I guess Barry lied then, Im going based on what he posted in a previous thread about his own car.

Its going to take a while for me to dig up the pictures and videos, but if you think you are going to run anywhere near 13.38 in 80 degree weather you are sick. What's the closest track to your location. When you are ready I will personally film your winning run, in the heat. I might be going to E-town this year. That's a great place to make your historical run.

[ctrlraven]

Yes.
Stock motor with no forced induction.

Very cool evening, using a Lidio tune for 110 octane.
I had all the basic bolt-ons with 4:10 gears. I was using a 3000 stall and the j-mod on the trans. I was also running worn slick 295 Pirelli street tires.

With slicks, I believe I could have broke into the 12 second area that evening. She ran 13.2xx all evening hot lapping.

Bald 295 series 18" street tires vs 255 series 16" drag radials. Advantage us +1.
No MSD 2-step vs MSD 2-step. Advantage us +1
Warmer weather/cool evening vs. early/late winter weather. Advantage us +1.

I could go on with a few more things but I don't need to.

[Joe Walsh]

I've got to agree with Mark on this one...you better be making your attempts now, while the weather is cool and the humidity is low.
The cool part is easy to understand...cold air = MORE HP
But the amount of humidity that most of us see during the summer hurts too.
Humidity = water vapor in the air = oxygen displaced by water vapor = LESS HP
Running during the summer turns my Marauder into a 13.2 - 13.3 car...:(

I'm still rooting for the 'stock internal' N/A guys!!!
:banana:

[merc]

Bald 295 series 18" street tires vs 255 series 16" drag radials. Advantage us +1.
No MSD 2-step vs MSD 2-step. Advantage us +1
Warmer weather/cool evening vs. early/late winter weather. Advantage us +1.

I could go on with a few more things but I don't need to.

Keep on going.

Getting to the track and making runs Disadvantage -1
Creating the longest thread to prove you are slow Disadvantage -1
Thinking that you are going to take Glenn's money by typing away at the keyboard Disadvantage -1
Watching re-runs of Superbad thinking that your are going to score Disadvantage -1

[ctrlraven]

Keep on going.

Getting to the track and making runs Disadvantage -1
Creating the longest thread to prove you are slow Disadvantage -1
Thinking that you are going to take Glenn's money by typing away at the keyboard Disadvantage -1
Watching re-runs of Superbad thinking that your are going to score Disadvantage -1
Wow Marc you are so spot on this afternoon aren't you?

If your not NA and trying for this what stake do you even have in this thread?

Why is that the S/C are the only ones saying it will never happen? Other NA owners are either silent or support us?

OoOoOoOo taking Glenn's money that's so the whole reason why us few are trying to do this. :lol:

I think this really bugs Glenn and you because it's something you could never do. Sure you threw some more money at the car, slapped on a blower and never looked back.

[Badger]

Are we there yet? :D

[Joe Walsh]

AW-RIGHT!!!!

Now All you S/C skunks clear outta here!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eo0OY8GOuc

[Badger]

Badgers are members of the weasel family not skunk! Now armed with that knowledge I'll await the comments about my nature. :D
I DID have a fast bone stock N/A though....with seats, headlight, spare etc.

[Paul T. Casey]

Neophytes. That's what they are Mec. If they keep their stock displacements/ internals, finish their mods, and God smiles on them with weather, I'll make my predictions right now:

ctrlraven: I make him for 13.25. He may have a tuner advantage, but he runs at higher altitiude tracks.

Blackened300a: 13.4 to 13.5. E town is near sea level, and they prep well, but I'm not sure if he can get the hands on tuning he needs.

DTRMiguel: 13.8 (sorry, I don't see you getting there yet).

sd8683: 13.4 Nice altitude at Epping, but they never prep the place. Maybe at FFW on Saturday night if the weather is awesome you may get low 3's. One advantage here, Dez tunes, if you want to spend the jack.

Impalaslayer: 13.5, don't know where he runs, or proximity to tuners. Assuming he doesn't have one close by.

Me: Happy to run the number on the window all night, keep at least one zero and a low digit on the first 2 places on the rt line.

[DTRMiguel]

DTRMiguel: 13.8 (sorry, I don't see you getting there yet).



You do realize me and ctrlraven live 15min away from each other which means we can use the same tuner:rolleyes:. And we run at the same track :stupid:. Yes he may get there before me but i will get there ;)

[Paul T. Casey]

You do realize me and ctrlraven live 15min away from each other which means we can use the same tuner:rolleyes:. And we run at the same track :stupid:. Yes he may get there before me but i will get there ;)

Not meaning any ill toward anyone, just putting out my predictions. Don't be ashamed either, those would all be awesome NA numbers. Gets you by 80% or more of the cars on the skreets.

[Blackened300a]

Its going to take a while for me to dig up the pictures and videos, but if you think you are going to run anywhere near 13.38 in 80 degree weather you are sick. What's the closest track to your location. When you are ready I will personally film your winning run, in the heat. I might be going to E-town this year. That's a great place to make your historical run.

Im well aware that heat kills the performance in a NA engine. I proved that to myself at MV-V when I was running 14.3's all day in 90 degree heat, then 14.0's in 60 degree temps and 13.7's in 40 degree temps. I still need a exhaust, Im running 13's in cold temps with all 4 cats, manifolds and stock pipes. All I have are mufflers and tips. People are talking all sorts of gains with headers and a full exhaust, well I still have a lot of room to gain then. I also never ran on race gas. My car was always ran the same way I ran it in the street. That also leaves more room to gain.
My run's will be made at E-town and its likely it will be made after the summer at the all-Fords event in November.
The rules are t make the run within the year so I plan to adhere to those rules.
I hope you would attend because I know there would be non-stop speculation and doubts by everyone if I pull it off.

[Joe Walsh]

You are good to go Paul...All you need is the timeslip!

No videos or NASCAR post race engine teardown.

You are right though...between a full-on exhaust and a tank of race gas w/race gas tune, you'll make some serious headway.

[merc]

Wow Marc you are so spot on this afternoon aren't you?

If your not NA and trying for this what stake do you even have in this thread?

Why is that the S/C are the only ones saying it will never happen? Other NA owners are either silent or support us?

OoOoOoOo taking Glenn's money that's so the whole reason why us few are trying to do this. :lol:

I think this really bugs Glenn and you because it's something you could never do. Sure you threw some more money at the car, slapped on a blower and never looked back.

You know I am pulling for you to get a 12.99. I know that will put a smile on your face. See ya at the track with beer and chicken wings. :beer:

[Blackened300a]

Blackened300a: 13.4 to 13.5. E town is near sea level, and they prep well, but I'm not sure if he can get the hands on tuning he needs.

Booooo! I dont think Im only going to gain 1-2 tenths when I make my run for the 12's after the addition of 4.30 gears, Headers/ full exhaust, race gas, and smaller rear tires.

I do have a tuning opportunity coming up in May but that would involve the header install before I commit. That would make everything come together and I think 13.4-13.5 would be my consistant times in street form in higher temps. :cool4:

[ctrlraven]

Neophytes. That's what they are Mec. If they keep their stock displacements/ internals, finish their mods, and God smiles on them with weather, I'll make my predictions right now:

ctrlraven: I make him for 13.25. He may have a tuner advantage, but he runs at higher altitiude tracks.

Higher altitude? Nope non of that here. The local track I run on is 20 FEET above sea level. http://www.capitolraceway.com/ all the way at the bottom of the page it list it.


You do realize me and ctrlraven live 15min away from each other which means we can use the same tuner:rolleyes:. And we run at the same track :stupid:. Yes he may get there before me but i will get there ;)
You wished we lived closer to each other......stalker.

Not meaning any ill toward anyone, just putting out my predictions. Don't be ashamed either, those would all be awesome NA numbers. Gets you by 80% or more of the cars on the skreets.No ill taken. :beer:


You know I am pulling for you to get a 12.99. I know that will put a smile on your face. See ya at the track with beer and chicken wings. :beer:Now that sounds like the Merc I know. Beer? :puke: I'll bring the liquor, you bring the wings.

[Glenn]

The reason why we stopped running NA for the 12s is that it flat out cannot be done. That's why the wiser olde guys jumped the 12s and went straight for the 11s and 10s with a SC. You guys are spinning your wheels. Save your money toward a SC and save youself alot of grief.

Glenn Ford :flamer:

[sd8683]

The reason why we stopped running NA for the 12s is that it flat out cannot be done. That's why the wiser olde guys jumped the 12s and went straight for the 11s and 10s with a SC. You guys are spinning your wheels. Save your money toward a SC and save youself alot of grief.

Glenn Ford :flamer:

Glenn, why are you trying to get blood from a stone? We all know how you feel and we obviously don't care. You're the only one thats spinning your wheels because what you have to say is falling on deaf ears.:tmi:

[Rocknthehawk]

Sean...will our little project make you faster? I know weight wise, it may add a tenth or more, but, more air equals more horsepower, right? :D That's going to flow some serious air.

[FordNut]

On and on, talk talk talk. Still ain't seen no action.

[sd8683]

On and on, talk talk talk. Still ain't seen no action.


Why don't you stop reading this thread then??? It has NOTHING to do with you anyway!

[Rocknthehawk]

fordnut races everyday, and posts his time slips getting better all the time....

anyone with deep enough pockets can have a fast car. gotta give credit to the little guys here trying to accomplish an "impossible" dream.

[FordNut]

Why don't you stop reading this thread then??? It has NOTHING to do with you anyway!

Talk is cheap.

[DTRMiguel]

i had a blower i could have installed but i need a challange

JLT
Nazty Cams
Nazty Intake
Dyno
Headers
410 Gears
Torque Converter
Electric Water Pump
Bigger Injectors
Ford GT fuel pump
16" DR's
UDP
Valve Springs=
12.%*$

:D:beer:

[O's Fan Rich]

Sometimes bench racing is much more fun than the real thing!!

No, really!

[FordNut]

Sometimes bench racing is much more fun than the real thing!!

No, really!

:beer: Impressive timeslips, too!

[O's Fan Rich]

I like talking "what if's"
I figure bench racing is like "brain storming"... you're throwing ideas and thoughts out there, no one gets pissed, enjoy the ride, and every once and awhile a GREAT idea pops out!

Think outside the box.....

[Blackened300a]

If one of us pull it off, what would you S/C owners have to say then??? Would you admit you were wrong and give credit where credit is due or just find something else to put us NA guys down with?
I guess included with buying a S/C you also get the pass to being a total D-bag to someone who dont have one.

If I cant do it then I would have proven without a shadow of a doubt that it indeed cant be done. Ill still remain NA and be happy with low 13 second time slips. However...... If I pull this off (and I really think that I can after the installation of my final mods and tuning), I swear nobody will ever forget how the NA Marauder #302 earned a 12 second time slip with stock internals and bolt-ons. I will post the video and timeslip in every post or thread I author.

[FordNut]

If one of us pull it off, what would you S/C owners have to say then??? Would you admit you were wrong and give credit where credit is due or just find something else to put us NA guys down with?
I guess included with buying a S/C you also get the pass to being a total D-bag to someone who dont have one.
.

I would happily eat crow. If somebody would do it instead of talking about it. All of the comments of "if I do this or that" are just reruns of what we've already tried. And I'll happily aggravate the he ll out of people who just talk about it instead of doing it.

[O's Fan Rich]

If one of us pull it off, what would you S/C owners have to say then??? Would you admit you were wrong and give credit where credit is due or just find something else to put us NA guys down with?
I guess included with buying a S/C you also get the pass to being a total D-bag to someone who dont have one.

I

Don't doubt yourself by saying "if I do thus and such..." say "When I do this and that..." be positive!

And why do you bunch all of "us s/c owners" together?

That's not fair......

[merc]

This thread is a discussion between two sides of the spectrum. We are all Marauder owners but some have opposing views. 11,000 plus Marauders were produced and one Marauder came close to the goal that we are talking about in this thread. The N/A group chooses to forget history and create a lofty goal and associate a meaning to the achievement. Paul has the most N/A track runs in Marauder history and has a good idea on how to make his car fast. He has a clue on what's real and what's not. Want to prove a point, then put some rubber down.

This debate ends with real effort. If you never make it at least you tried. When Lidio's car ran deep into the 11 second range some on this site thought about beating his milestone. Only six others have surpassed his goal which stood for years. Imagine this, what if the S/C cars stop posting in this thread. What direction would it take. 598 post and this is how it began "as the title says, who will be the first 4.6 n/a mm in the 12s? with no juice. whos with me?"

[bigbillybbs]

I just wanted to be post 600 :D:D
:shake:

[hot-rauder]

I just wanted to be post 600 :D:D
:shake:

I passed you....

Just like my Fusion will do to your MMs. My Fusion will be there before your MMs will. :flamer:

[Glenn]

I sincerely meant it when I stated - let's move on. A goal that is unreachable can cause people a lot of hurt and money in an attempt to reach it. There are MM owners with an amazing amount of mechanical knowledge and ability who could not run NA 12s after spending a tremendous amount of time and money. I just hate to see someone go down the same road and have the same failed results. Put your money toward something reasonable in life to obtain.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[freakstatus]

I sincerely meant it when I stated - let's move on. A goal that is unreachable can cause people a lot of hurt and money in an attempt to reach it. There are MM owners with an amazing amount of mechanical knowledge and ability who could not run 12s after spending a tremendous amount of time and money. I just hate to see someone go down the same road and have the same failed results. Put your money toward something reasonable in life to obtain.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

If I didn't know better I'd say you were trying to get them to try and achieve it even more...

[O's Fan Rich]

I sincerely meant it when I stated - let's move on. A goal that is unreachable can cause people a lot of hurt and money in an attempt to reach it. There are MM owners with an amazing amount of mechanical knowledge and ability who could not run 12s after spending a tremendous amount of time and money. I just hate to see someone go down the same road and have the same failed results. Put your money toward something reasonable in life to obtain.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

The ShamWow guy just tried to spend money on something he could not easily obtain...... and got busted and busted up!!!
She's kinda hot too......

[bigbillybbs]

I passed you....

Just like my Fusion will do to your MMs. My Fusion will be there before your MMs will. :flamer:

Ooooooo WOW THAT’S A HARSH Comment ……
By the time your Fusion gets there ill be :sleepy::sleepy::sleepy:....
;)

[DTRMiguel]

There are MM owners with an amazing amount of mechanical knowledge and ability who could not run NA 12s after spending a tremendous amount of time and money.

Name Some.... :blah::blah::blah:

[merc]

Name Some.... :blah::blah::blah:

Martyo
Ford Nut
Merc
Cruztaker
Sgt Mac
Glenn
TooManyFords
Zack

To name a few.

[DTRMiguel]

Martyo
Ford Nut
Merc
Cruztaker
Sgt Mac
Glenn
TooManyFords
Zack

To name a few.

What are the tremendous amounts?????? I know you all tried and FAILED but what did they spend? :confused:

[Pops]

You can put the GM in that list also. I could have had a couple of Trilogy blowers for what was spent. Hope that gives you the idea on the costs.

[merc]

What are the tremendous amounts?????? I know you all tried and FAILED but what did they spend? :confused:

No one failed, it wasn't even a goal to run 12.99 N/A. The idea was to run as fast as we could without removing the motor and doing internal modifications. The magic numbers was 300-310 hp and 100-109 trap speed.

[Pops]

No one failed, it wasn't even a goal to run 12.99 N/A. The idea was to run as fast as we could without removing the motor and doing internal modifications. The magic numbers was 300-310 hp and 100-109 trap speed.

I had that much power but it still would not do it. 13.51 at 100 was the best and that was in Mich.

[FordNut]

Quickest I could get it was 13.3x
As Merc said, there was not a goal, just go as fast as we could go.
I had around $10k invested. Some of the items are available for less now than what they cost in the early days, but it was making a little over 300 rwhp and that was all it would do without internal mods (heads, cams, valves, etc).

Kooks headers, high flow cats, 2-1/2” exhaust pipes, mufflers
Underdrive pulleys
Electric water pump
Ported lower intake
Ported upper intake
PHP intake spacer
Twin 62mm throttle body
MAF
CAI
Conical filter
50 lb injectors
BAP
PI high stall torque converter
Art Carr transmission kit
J-mod
4.10 gears
Dynotech driveshaft
Widened rear rims
Nitto drag radials
QA1 rear shocks
Z&M control arms
Empty trunk
Driver’s headlight removed
Folded in side mirrors
C16 Race gas
Race gas tune

[nazman]

I dont see why it could not be done!

12.99 and it will require ~320-330RWHP @ ~4200LBS

We have done NA motors with just bolt on's all the way up to 337RWHP. Completly stock long blocks on 99-01 4Vs and 325-330 on Mach motors. These cars have gone 11s.

You dont need 10K either. My sugestion:

Nazty Performance Ported Short Runner
Cold Air Intake
Long Tube Headers
Mid Pipe
Cat-Back
4.30 Gears
Converter
EWP
Cobra "R" Alt and PS Pulley
Tune

MAF, Injector, Fuel Pump, TB do not need to be up-graded.

The Nazty Performance Ported Short Runner made 52RWHP over a stock ported intake @ 6800RPMs on a Mach 1 with FR500 cams.

With a 1.8x 60fts its very much possible. Just got to be able to launch her hard, and keep the RPMs up! Shifiting at ~7000RPMs will bring quite a bit more MPH, but the only way to make that effective is with a Ported Short Runner that will effectivly extend your power band with no losses down low.

The 4.30s will be the best gear.....some may frawn upon this with the auto.....so 4.10s may be a better choise for most. Hey....you got over drive! lol

Naz

[nazman]

Quick question: What is the quickes NA MM? MPH? Weight?

Thanks!

Naz

[merc]

Quick question: What is the quickes NA MM? MPH? Weight?

Thanks!

Naz

We know it can be done if you do head or motor work. Below I have plasted the rules or guidles to the competition.

1) Car must be street legal, wipers and all factory safety equiptment in tact.
2) Engine accessories intact, A/C, power steering, etc...
3) Stock displacement engine
4) Stock internals, cam, heads, intake, crank,etc...
5) Full interior
6) No forced induction, no nitrious. N/A only.
7) Car must weigh no less then 4000lb's
8) Run must be made at a track with timeslip to prove (No G-tech)
9) Any size DOT Street legal tires only. Drag radials are acceptable because they are for street use also.
10) Race and pump gas acceptable.
11) All transmission mods and tunes acceptable.
12) Any engine tune acceptable.
13) All N/A bolt-ons are acceptable.
14) Car can be altered to allow more air flow, like removal of headlight, and hood scoop, but front bumper must remain on car.
15) Any rear gear size is acceptable.
16) Car must be driven to the track and through the staging lanes. Car can be towed home in case of failure after run.

[Joe Walsh]

We know it can be done if you do head or motor work. Below I have plasted the rules or guidles to the competition.

1) Car must be street legal, wipers and all factory safety equiptment in tact.
2) Engine accessories intact, A/C, power steering, etc...
3) Stock displacement engine
4) Stock internals, cam, heads, intake, crank,etc...
5) Full interior
6) No forced induction, no nitrious. N/A only.
7) Car must weigh no less then 4000lb's
8) Run must be made at a track with timeslip to prove (No G-tech)
9) Any size DOT Street legal tires only. Drag radials are acceptable because they are for street use also.
10) Race and pump gas acceptable.
11) All transmission mods and tunes acceptable.
12) Any engine tune acceptable.
13) All N/A bolt-ons are acceptable.
14) Car can be altered to allow more air flow, like removal of headlight, and hood scoop, but front bumper must remain on car.
15) Any rear gear size is acceptable.
16) Car must be driven to the track and through the staging lanes. Car can be towed home in case of failure after run.

Been there...Done that!.........:(.......:shake:

[ctrlraven]

I dont see why it could not be done!

12.99 and it will require ~320-330RWHP @ ~4200LBS

We have done NA motors with just bolt on's all the way up to 337RWHP. Completly stock long blocks on 99-01 4Vs and 325-330 on Mach motors. These cars have gone 11s.

You dont need 10K either. My sugestion:

Nazty Performance Ported Short Runner
Cold Air Intake
Long Tube Headers
Mid Pipe
Cat-Back
4.30 Gears
Converter
EWP
Cobra "R" Alt and PS Pulley
Tune

MAF, Injector, Fuel Pump, TB do not need to be up-graded.

The Nazty Performance Ported Short Runner made 52RWHP over a stock ported intake @ 6800RPMs on a Mach 1 with FR500 cams.

With a 1.8x 60fts its very much possible. Just got to be able to launch her hard, and keep the RPMs up! Shifiting at ~7000RPMs will bring quite a bit more MPH, but the only way to make that effective is with a Ported Short Runner that will effectivly extend your power band with no losses down low.

The 4.30s will be the best gear.....some may frawn upon this with the auto.....so 4.10s may be a better choise for most. Hey....you got over drive! lol

Naz
Thanks for posting that. I'm going to be trying everything besides your Ported Short Runner, 4.30 gears (will be running 4.10 with 16" drag radials for effective 4.43 rear gear), EWP and Cobra R Alt & PS pulley. I'll look into this stuff once I hit max with my planned combo.

Why do you recommend the Cobra R Alt & PS pulley? Would they be good to use in conjunction with the underdrive pulleys?

[FordNut]

12.99 and it will require ~320-330RWHP @ ~4200LBS
Naz

I agree. We have never gotten that from a stock displacement NA Marauder. I believe 305 is where we topped out, and with stock cams the power rolls off pretty bad starting at 6200-6500. I ran 12.7 @ 360 rwhp from a NA 5.3 BB/S, so 320-330 should do it. Just gotta get some of these newbies to cut loose with the ca$h...

[O's Fan Rich]

I agree. We have never gotten that from a stock displacement NA Marauder. I believe 305 is where we topped out, and with stock cams the power rolls off pretty bad starting at 6200-6500. I ran 12.7 @ 360 rwhp from a NA 5.3 BB/S, so 320-330 should do it. Just gotta get some of these newbies to cut loose with the ca$h...

I think they'll do it Brian....
It's not like they paid full price for their cars, like us morons who bought new, so they'll have all that extra green stuff laying around to spend on go-fast goodies!

Things have come a long way since the stone ages of 2002....

[Joe Walsh]

I agree. We have never gotten that from a stock displacement NA Marauder. I believe 305 is where we topped out, and with stock cams the power rolls off pretty bad starting at 6200-6500.

That is what I was wondering...are the stock cams going to run out of steam before the shortened runner intake can really do its thing?

I ran 12.7 @ 360 rwhp from a NA 5.3 BB/S, so 320-330 should do it.

325 RWHP will definitely do it.

Just gotta get some of these newbies to cut loose with the ca$h...

...........

[nazman]

I agree. We have never gotten that from a stock displacement NA Marauder. I believe 305 is where we topped out, and with stock cams the power rolls off pretty bad starting at 6200-6500. I ran 12.7 @ 360 rwhp from a NA 5.3 BB/S, so 320-330 should do it. Just gotta get some of these newbies to cut loose with the ca$h...

This is were the ported short runner intake comes into play!

We are making more power than a stock/ported intake by ~5000RPMs, and by 6800RPMs we are making a crap load more power than the stock lenght intake.

Stock intake:

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/Slide1-3.jpg?t=1239058796

Few pics of the Nazty Performance Ported Short Runner:

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/Slide9-1.jpg?t=1239058909

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/Slide13.jpg


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/Slide22-1.jpg


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/Slide25.jpg


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/Slide38.jpg?t=1239059096


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/Slide41.jpg?t=1239059131


Here is a dyno graph:

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/NAZPSR_304BB.jpg?t=1239057911

Notice the size of the Cobra R alternator and PS pulley:

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/Slide2.jpg?t=1239058088

Naz

[FordNut]

Who's first?

[nazman]

Who's first?

Im 40 year old....did I miss anything? lol

[FordNut]

Just wondering which Marauder owner will be first to spring for your NA intake. I was first for the SC one.

[Glenn]

SO, how many HP is the intake worth on a NA MM engine. This is the first real opportunity I see for you guys breaking into the 12s. An intake like this was just not available to us olde guys. If an MM engine can make 320-320 HP - then you got it done! I'll start saving my $100 if someone buys one.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[Vortech347]

Naz is the man!

[nazman]

SO, how many HP is the intake worth on a NA MM engine. This is the first real opportunity I see for you guys breaking into the 12s. An intake like this was just not available to us olde guys. If an MM engine can make 320-320 HP - then you got it done! I'll start saving my $100 if someone buys one.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

Glenn,

On a stock cammed NA MM or Mach its worth 25-30RW by ~6500-6800RPMs.

Our Standard Ported Intake (cut plenum and TIG welded) is worth 10+RWHP/TQ all across the power band on stock cammed 4Vs! We have seen up-to 18RWHP gains!

Here is a dyno of a before and after intake swap. Owner dyno the car with the stock intake, pulled off dyno, swapped, "test drove" the car while waiting for dyno time, and heat soacked the motor....notice the power drop....then it some what recovers. But gains are tipical all across the power band....to the limiter.

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo27/stang32v/StockIntakevsNaztyPerformanceP orted.jpg?t=1239144752

Naz

[ImpalaSlayer]

nazman is this the intake that runs $900?

[nazman]

nazman is this the intake that runs $900?

The ported short runner is $900.00 (52RWHP above)

http://www.naztyperformance.com/psri.html

The standard lenght (my last post) is $590.00 see link:

http://www.naztyperformance.com/portedintakes.html

Naz

[sd8683]

The ported short runner is $900.00 (52RWHP above)

http://www.naztyperformance.com/psri.html

The standard lenght (my last post) is $590.00 see link:

http://www.naztyperformance.com/portedintakes.html

Naz


Is that the price if the intake is supplied by us?

Sean

[Blackened300a]

Im assuming a re-tune is needed after the install?

[FordNut]

Come on guys, somebody do it!

Ported intake $900
Headers, exhaust $2000
Converter, tranny $1500+
Gears, driveshaft $1200
Electric WP $400
UD pulleys $300
CAI $300
Tires/wheels $400+
Only about $7000 and you should be there.
How much is the SC kit?

[FordNut]

Only about $7000 and you should be there.
How much is the SC kit?

I believe Jerry has a used kit available for $5300 or so.

[Pops]

You forgot the dyno time Brian!

[merc]

Come on guys, somebody do it!

Ported intake $900
Headers, exhaust $2000
Converter, tranny $1500+
Gears, driveshaft $1200
Electric WP $400
UD pulleys $300
CAI $300
Tires/wheels $400+
Only about $7000 and you should be there.
How much is the SC kit?

1903 The Wright Brothers invent and fly the first engined airplane
1907 Very first helicopter - unsuccessful design
1908 Henry Ford improves the assembly line for automobile manufacturing
1908 Hydrofoil boats co-invented by Alexander Graham Bell & Casey Baldwin - boats that skimmed water
1926 First liquid propelled rocket launched
1940 Modern helicopters invented
1947 First supersonic jet flight
1956 Hovercraft invented
1964 Bullet train transportation invented
1969 First manned mission (Apollo) to the Moon
1970 First jumbo jet
1981 Space shuttle launched

Do you see the point. Bigger, faster, and higher is the idea. There is no benefit to engineering slow and costly. :beatnik:

[FordNut]

Ya know, when somebody goes down this path it kind of sets the stage for future upgrades. It's hard to give up the investment in the ported & polished upper & lower intake, the PHP spacer, the throttle body, etc. So a centrifugal blower is the next logical step because the roots and twin screw will not be able to use these parts. Or maybe a custom turbocharger setup, but if long tube headers are already installed those will have to go away...

How do I know? I've been down that road.

[DTRMiguel]

Ya know, when somebody goes down this path it kind of sets the stage for future upgrades. It's hard to give up the investment in the ported & polished upper & lower intake, the PHP spacer, the throttle body, etc. So a centrifugal blower is the next logical step because the roots and twin screw will not be able to use these parts. Or maybe a custom turbocharger setup, but if long tube headers are already installed those will have to go away...

How do I know? I've been down that road.

I thought u would need headers if you have the intake and supporting mods????:confused: :help:

[RR|Suki]

I thought u would need headers if you have the intake and supporting mods????:confused: :help:

I think he means if you want a turbo you'd have to give up the headers

[RR|Suki]

Come on guys, somebody do it!

Ported intake $900
Headers, exhaust $2000
Converter, tranny $1500+
Gears, driveshaft $1200
Electric WP $400
UD pulleys $300
CAI $300
Tires/wheels $400+
Only about $7000 and you should be there.
How much is the SC kit?

Quoted for truth ;)

[FordNut]

I think he means if you want a turbo you'd have to give up the headers

Yep. But to try for 12's NA you gotta have them. So reselling at a loss is about the only option.

[nazman]

Come on guys, somebody do it!

Ported intake $900
Headers, exhaust $2000
Converter, tranny $1500+
Gears, driveshaft $1200
Electric WP $400
UD pulleys $300
CAI $300
Tires/wheels $400+
Only about $7000 and you should be there.
How much is the SC kit?

It can be done for less, far less tuned. Ill say under 4500 bones on the MM.

Yes, with the NA approach it may seem like a huge investment for little gains...but when you say SC, then you are also looking at fuel system, lots more heat, etc... then you are limited by the stock internals, etc.

NA, will put a much less strain into the stock drivetrain/motor, run cooler and you can proudly say: All Motor Baby!

Hell, I have ran just about all the combos on my car!

Stock Long Block/Ported Intake = 337RWHP NA
HCI, stock shortblock = 410RWHP NA
HCI, Big Bore = 459RWHP NA
HCI, Big Bore/Nitrous = 618RWHP
HCI, 284/Turbo/18PSI = 710+RWHP
HCI, 322CI = 495RHP NA
HCI, 322CI Nitrous = 728RWHP
New HCI, 322CI = 537RWHP (break in tune, she will make over 550RW on motor!)
New HCI, 322CI/Nitrous = Look for 800RW!

Our Nazty Performance HCI Stage 2+ made 383RWHP on a stock short block and its about to run 10s ......all motor! That is for ~4500 bones! Not too bad.

What Im saying is that, dont think that NA are no good/just too expensive for the return.

Keep this very important thing in mind:

Its not a single part that brings the huge gains, nor a bunch of thrown together parts that will run the great numbers...but when you put the right part together to make the right combination is when they come alive and make the big numbers!

Ill put my daily driver, NA car and run against 10 diferent FI combinations and 9 of 10 the NA will win!

I lost count of how many FI cars I have killed in the streets and the 1/4 mile! lol!

Naz

[nazman]

If I may add...it can be done on an Auto Mach 1 (same motor) for about 1500 bones! True...they weight about 700-800LBS less...but you get my point! lol!

I think you guys are underestimating your little 4.6s!

Naz

[FordNut]

Go for it guys! Naz says you can do it, please show us!

[RR|Suki]

Those N/A power numbers are with a manual car ya?

[Seneca]

wish someone would just fork out some (bones) already and git r done! :D

[FordNut]

I'm trying my best to convince somebody to do it!

[sd8683]

I'm trying my best to convince somebody to do it!


I wanna do it but I wanna find out if its $591 if I provide the intake???

[Blackened300a]

It can be done for less, far less tuned. Ill say under 4500 bones on the MM.

Yes, with the NA approach it may seem like a huge investment for little gains...but when you say SC, then you are also looking at fuel system, lots more heat, etc... then you are limited by the stock internals, etc.

NA, will put a much less strain into the stock drivetrain/motor, run cooler and you can proudly say: All Motor Baby!

Hell, I have ran just about all the combos on my car!

Stock Long Block/Ported Intake = 337RWHP NA
HCI, stock shortblock = 410RWHP NA
HCI, Big Bore = 459RWHP NA
HCI, Big Bore/Nitrous = 618RWHP
HCI, 284/Turbo/18PSI = 710+RWHP
HCI, 322CI = 495RHP NA
HCI, 322CI Nitrous = 728RWHP
New HCI, 322CI = 537RWHP (break in tune, she will make over 550RW on motor!)
New HCI, 322CI/Nitrous = Look for 800RW!

Our Nazty Performance HCI Stage 2+ made 383RWHP on a stock short block and its about to run 10s ......all motor! That is for ~4500 bones! Not too bad.

What Im saying is that, dont think that NA are no good/just too expensive for the return.

Keep this very important thing in mind:

Its not a single part that brings the huge gains, nor a bunch of thrown together parts that will run the great numbers...but when you put the right part together to make the right combination is when they come alive and make the big numbers!

Ill put my daily driver, NA car and run against 10 diferent FI combinations and 9 of 10 the NA will win!

I lost count of how many FI cars I have killed in the streets and the 1/4 mile! lol!

Naz

Im really liking this guy. :beer:

[ImpalaSlayer]

those numbers are AWESOME! :bows:

[FordNut]

I'll bet when 2010 rolls around we're still TALKING about a N/A Marauder getting into the 12's. Still won't be done though.

[nazman]

I'll bet when 2010 rolls around we're still TALKING about a N/A Marauder getting into the 12's. Still won't be done though.

lol! :beer:

[nazman]

I wanna do it but I wanna find out if its $591 if I provide the intake???

Two easy options:

1. Send me your core to work on.
2. We work one of our cores and ship, you will swap intakes and send us your stock core.

This is with either the Standard Lenght Ported Intake or the Ported Short Runner Intake.

:beer:

Naz

[offroadkarter]

CAI $300



Isnt a CAI from JLT about 180? :rolleyes:

[FordNut]

Isnt a CAI from JLT about 180? :rolleyes:

It's actually a HAI since it does nothing to isolate the engine heat from the filter. The K&N is closer to $300. Or you could get the PHP.

[sd8683]

Two easy options:

1. Send me your core to work on.
2. We work one of our cores and ship, you will swap intakes and send us your stock core.

This is with either the Standard Lenght Ported Intake or the Ported Short Runner Intake.

:beer:

Naz


Thanks for replying:beer: I will be in touch within the next few weeks!

[offroadkarter]

It's actually a HAI since it does nothing to isolate the engine heat from the filter. The K&N is closer to $300. Or you could get the PHP.


right because when your moving and the outside air is blowing the hot air towards the firewall, it instantly shoots back and goes immediately for the JLT

Oh teh noes, hot air!!111!!!1!!!

[nazman]

Well...I tell you that I have trapped higher and made more power with the RAI than with the CAI.

I have datalogged AIT with both and they are just about the same with the car moving and the RAI offers better flow with the shorter intake track and much larger filter.

Keep in mind that each turn before the TB equals to ~1 ft of extra intake lenght, reducing air speed and restricting max possible flow.

Naz

[O's Fan Rich]

Naz is gonna become a vendor soon I think......

[ImpalaSlayer]

pm sent nazman

[O's Fan Rich]

If some of you guy's would not have gotten yourselves thrown off of modular fords, you'd be able to see some of his work......

[sd8683]

If some of you guy's would not have gotten yourselves thrown off of modular fords, you'd be able to see some of his work......

i didn't get thrown off rich.... I'm a reader over there not a poster

[FordNut]

Well...I tell you that I have trapped higher and made more power with the RAI than with the CAI.

I have datalogged AIT with both and they are just about the same with the car moving and the RAI offers better flow with the shorter intake track and much larger filter.

Keep in mind that each turn before the TB equals to ~1 ft of extra intake lenght, reducing air speed and restricting max possible flow.

Naz
I take it you haven't seen or tested the Marauder kits? There are no additional curves with the K&N CAI.

[nazman]

I take it you haven't seen or tested the Marauder kits? There are no additional curves with the K&N CAI.

Very true, I have not. :beer: I was visualizing the "Mustang" version! lol!

Naz

[ImpalaSlayer]

just talked to Naz, ill be purchasing soon :cool:

[Glenn]

Honestly, good luck with Naz - an interesting product. But, you're still not providing a good cost vs. performance investment. The 12s are a dead zone - go SC and jump to the 11s and 10s. Investing in the 12s NA gets you no where fast when your money could go toward the real deal - a SC.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

Honestly, good luck with Naz - an interesting product. But, you're still not providing a good cost vs. performance investment. The 12s are a dead zone - go SC and jump to the 11s and 10s. Investing in the 12s NA gets you no where fast when your money could go toward the real deal - a SC.

Glenn Ford :burnout:


WE DONT WANT A :censor: BLOWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sd8683]

Honestly, good luck with Naz - an interesting product. But, you're still not providing a good cost vs. performance investment. The 12s are a dead zone - go SC and jump to the 11s and 10s. Investing in the 12s NA gets you no where fast when your money could go toward the real deal - a SC.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

Well the first guy to do it is gonna save $100!!!! Thanks to you Glenn:banana2:

[Blackened300a]

we dont want a :censor: Blower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what he said!!!

[Joe Walsh]

WE DONT WANT A :censor: BLOWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


what he said!!!

Yeah, but you guys could get into the 12s much quicker with a supercharger.

:)

[sd8683]

Yeah, but you guys could get into the 12s much quicker with a supercharger.

:)

Yeah but that wouldn't be as fun:D

[ImpalaSlayer]

i dont see what is so hard to understand

we are not trying get to the 12s the cheap way, if theat were the case we would do what 300plus people have done and buy a super charger.

were trying to do something never done before!

[Joe Walsh]

i dont see what is so hard to understand

we are not trying get to the 12s the cheap way, if theat were the case we would do what 300plus people have done and buy a super charger.

were trying to do something never done before!

Yeah...but a supercharger would be much easier....:D

[sd8683]

Yeah...but a supercharger would be much easier....:D


Yeah.... But a LOT less fun:cool:

[nazman]

Come on guys! What kind of motivation is that? Some people like it NA, some like FI. Why so much hate with towards NA?

I did the FI thing, yes it made some nice power but was not my thing. Anyone can make power with a blower or turbo...it takes skill and a well matched combo to do so NA.

Either FI or NA will take cash to do so. Any mod that will improve NA power will only make FI much more efficient, a ported intake, or headers will only make that FI combo much more complete for example.

For me, it does not matter, since my intakes find their way on NA, Supercharger and Turbo cars. What I care is for the user to have a good combination.

Slap one of the Ported Short Runner intakes on your Supercharged combo....you will see what Im talking about! lol! It will make huge power!

Give these guys doing it NA som credit, nothing wrong with NA power!

Naz

[Krytin]

Come on guys! What kind of motivation is that? Some people like it NA, some like FI. Why so much hate with towards NA?

I did the FI thing, yes it made some nice power but was not my thing. Anyone can make power with a blower or turbo...it takes skill and a well matched combo to do so NA.

Either FI or NA will take cash to do so. Any mod that will improve NA power will only make FI much more efficient, a ported intake, or headers will only make that FI combo much more complete for example.

For me, it does not matter, since my intakes find their way on NA, Supercharger and Turbo cars. What I care is for the user to have a good combination.

Slap one of the Ported Short Runner intakes on your Supercharged combo....you will see what Im talking about! lol! It will make huge power!

Give these guys doing it NA som credit, nothing wrong with NA power!

Naz
Thank you!
We went over this at the begining of this thread.
There exists a group of people that are NOT interested in S/C there cars.
NOT because there is anything WRONG with S/C - ONLY because this group chooses not to for reasons of their own. Money in most cases is NOT the issue.
There are avenues that the 'old" guys who "tried it all before" have NOT taken.
Let the people who want to try this for themselves do so without being chastised like little children - they aren't!

[Paul T. Casey]

Thank you!
We went over this at the begining of this thread.
There exists a group of people that are NOT interested in S/C there cars.
NOT because there is anything WRONG with S/C - ONLY because this group chooses not to for reasons of their own. Money in most cases is NOT the issue.
There are avenues that the 'old" guys who "tried it all before" have NOT taken.
Let the people who want to try this for themselves do so without being chastised like little children - they aren't!

Well said! :beer: Personally, I paid too much for my exhaust to have the drone overwhelmed by the whistle or whine. :rolleyes: nazman has piqued my interest.

[Blackened300a]

Come on guys! What kind of motivation is that? Some people like it NA, some like FI. Why so much hate with towards NA?

I did the FI thing, yes it made some nice power but was not my thing. Anyone can make power with a blower or turbo...it takes skill and a well matched combo to do so NA.

Either FI or NA will take cash to do so. Any mod that will improve NA power will only make FI much more efficient, a ported intake, or headers will only make that FI combo much more complete for example.

For me, it does not matter, since my intakes find their way on NA, Supercharger and Turbo cars. What I care is for the user to have a good combination.

Slap one of the Ported Short Runner intakes on your Supercharged combo....you will see what Im talking about! lol! It will make huge power!

Give these guys doing it NA som credit, nothing wrong with NA power!

Naz

We want to make a attempt at earning the respect from the seasoned racers and SC guys but they continue to bash and mock us. It just makes it more satisfying if we pull it off. Even though there will be years of speculation and doubt from the SC guys if we do it.

[O's Fan Rich]

You guys are AWESOME!!!!

[FordNut]

just talked to Naz, ill be purchasing soon :cool:

Yahoo! I've been waiting for somebody to move on this whole 12's NA project instead of just shooting the breeze about it.

[RR|Suki]

hopefully he went for the whole boat, not just the port ;)

[merc]

Good luck with the project. You need lots of torque to move these cars. With the lack of displacement it's really hard to get 4400 pounds motivated. :burnout:

[Joe Walsh]

Good luck with the project. You need lots of torque to move these cars. With the lack of displacement it's really hard to get 4400 pounds motivated. :burnout:

Yep, The only other route is serious RPM and nazman seems to have that covered.
I just worry about the effects of serious RPM on powdered metal rods and oil pump gears.
I'll be watching Dave's results when he gets his set-up installed....:up:

[ImpalaSlayer]

bought myself an intake from nazman for my birthday :D

[Glenn]

It takes just as much talent and know how to get a SC into the 11's or lower as it will a NA guy to get into the 12s. There are a ton of SC MM who can't even get out of the mid 12's even with 400+ HP let alone the 11's.

The real fun is when you can consistently wipe strong Mustangs even SC Cobras with a 4,500# olde man's sedan. It is not necessarily how much money you spend, but how you spend it and what you do with it.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[nazman]

bought myself an intake from nazman for my birthday :D

Happy-B-DAY!

[FordNut]

Here's another one...
$650 Shipping included, with Cobra upper, tb, etc.
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/engine-drivetrain-256/590809-99-01-ported-short-runner-intake-manifold.html

[nazman]

Here's another one...
$650 Shipping included, with Cobra upper, tb, etc.
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/engine-drivetrain-256/590809-99-01-ported-short-runner-intake-manifold.html

Ah! Yes, that's the last one I made off my old design..I made it for Kevin's 01 Cobra. Good, but on a scale 1-10 its a 3 when compared against our new design!!

Our new design its that much better! That older design was worth 11RWHP 6500RPMs...were our new design makes 3 times much power at that RPM! loL!

Naz

[Blackened300a]

My state tax return check just came and its really making me look into buying this new intake. :thinker:

[BAD FIVE O]

I'm in. Its not impossible 12s N/A with Nazty Performance.

[FordNut]

Go! Go! Go!
Come on guys, you can do it.

[SID210SA]

Ah! Yes, that's the last one I made off my old design..I made it for Kevin's 01 Cobra. Good, but on a scale 1-10 its a 3 when compared against our new design!!

Our new design its that much better! That older design was worth 11RWHP 6500RPMs...were our new design makes 3 times much power at that RPM! loL!

Naz

Does Bad Five O have your new design? If so....I have seen the performance first hand....

Bad Five O has your work done to his Marauder and a JLT....I have the JLT and a Lidio tune...

On a private track from about a 65 mph roll he took me with little effort...I could just see him pulling away...it was like night and day...

Naz, as soon as income tax comes in, I will be paying you a visit for sure!!

[nazman]

Does Bad Five O have your new design? If so....I have seen the performance first hand....

Bad Five O has your work done to his Marauder and a JLT....I have the JLT and a Lidio tune...

On a private track from about a 65 mph roll he took me with little effort...I could just see him pulling away...it was like night and day...

Naz, as soon as income tax comes in, I will be paying you a visit for sure!!

LOL! A little birdy told me about this "track rental in Mexico!"

He is running one of my standard lenght ported and TIG welded intakes which as you saw...make great power! But we are going to up-grade him to a custom Ported Short Runner in a few!

Let me know when you would be ready and Ill gladly help you out!

Naz

[ImpalaSlayer]

im very anxious!

[ctrlraven]

I think I am going to gracefully bow out of the running not because it can't be done but I need to start replacing stuff first and foremost with 123k miles on the clock. If things work out the way I am hoping they will I will jump back in by fall time.

[ImpalaSlayer]

man its dead in here! well i have some stuff coming for the car! cant wait to see what she does! :burnout:

[FormulaMarauder]

I think I am going to gracefully bow out of the running not because it can't be done but I need to start replacing stuff first and foremost

Well in that case, I'm taking over your spot. With my mods, I hit a 13.613 today. Video to come, mods listed down below........

[ImpalaSlayer]

Well in that case, I'm taking over your spot. With my mods, I hit a 13.613 today. Video to come, mods listed down below........


nice dude!

[ctrlraven]

Well in that case, I'm taking over your spot. With my mods, I hit a 13.613 today. Video to come, mods listed down below........
Awesome, best of luck to you!

P.S. 255/50-16 bfg drag radials will give you a 4.43 effective rear gear with 4.10 gears. Just get the cvpi steelies or 16" mustang wheels, tires, another tune for rev per mile (not speedo, but trans shift factor), open end lug nuts, and enjoy shaving off another tenth or more.

I went from 14.19 with stock 3.55 rear gear with 255/55-18 (3.50 effective rear gear) to 13.72 on the 255/50-16 drag radials (3.89/3.90 effective rear gear). Thanks to Zack and his wonderful race tune he made for me.

[FormulaMarauder]

Here's my 13.613.
Pay no mind to the reaction time, they couldn't reset it from the 1st race.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Marauder-Lebanon-Valley_680890.htm

[TiTo35]

Here's my 13.613.
Pay no mind to the reaction time, they couldn't reset it from the 1st race.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Marauder-Lebanon-Valley_680890.htm


Beautiful! :banana2:

[Glenn]

Looks like the race to the 12s has hit a brick wall with only one real contender - everyone else bailed----------!!!!!!!

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

a brick wall i plan on plowing through!

[sd8683]

Looks like the race to the 12s has hit a brick wall with only one real contender - everyone else bailed----------!!!!!!!

Glenn Ford :burnout:

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/xoxpashyxox/For%20Threads/Caturday/pleaseshutthehellup.jpg

[merc]

Looks like the race to the 12s has hit a brick wall with only one real contender - everyone else bailed----------!!!!!!!

Glenn Ford :burnout:

Glenn it looks like they picked up a supporting vendor.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Evil-Marauder_679939.htm

[sd8683]

Glenn it looks like they picked up a supporting vendor.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Evil-Marauder_679939.htm

Yeah..... God FORBID there are some supporting members!

[Glenn]

Not impressed at all with the video especially the launches. My $100 challenge still stands - Not gotta happen!! But, I reserve the right to examine the engine for illegal mods - ie gas. I pulled 13.91 with very few mods and 292 HP with shorty headers and OEM mufflers, tailpipes and tips. I then came to my senses and jumped 2 seconds to 11.9.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

Not impressed at all with the video especially the launches. My $100 challenge still stands - Not gotta happen!! But, I reserve the right to examine the engine for illegal mods - ie gas. I pulled 13.91 with very few mods and 292 HP with shorty headers and OEM mufflers, tailpipes and tips. I then came to my senses and jumped 2 seconds to 11.9.

Glenn Ford :burnout:


dont want your money dude.

[sd8683]

Not impressed at all with the video especially the launches. My $100 challenge still stands - Not gotta happen!! But, I reserve the right to examine the engine for illegal mods - ie gas. I pulled 13.91 with very few mods and 292 HP with shorty headers and OEM mufflers, tailpipes and tips. I then came to my senses and jumped 2 seconds to 11.9.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

Glenn...... If I do it, you can keep your money....... I'm not doing it for the money..... I want to do it to shut you up!:D

[merc]

Glenn...... If I do it, you can keep your money....... I'm not doing it for the money..... I want to do it to shut you up!:D

Without Glenn this race to 12.99 N/A would be boring. The summer heat is coming soon and the debates will continue until cooler air in October. So it's back to keyboard (or Calculator) drag racing. :argue:

[BAD FIVE O]

Bad ass video and MM getting near 12 N/A. Keep it up!!!!!!!!!

[Pops]

Without Glenn this race to 12.99 N/A would be boring. The summer heat is coming soon and the debates will continue until cooler air in October. So it's back to keyboard (or Calculator) drag racing. :argue:

:beer: :beatnik: :lol:

[sd8683]

Without Glenn this race to 12.99 N/A would be boring. The summer heat is coming soon and the debates will continue until cooler air in October. So it's back to keyboard (or Calculator) drag racing. :argue:

I'm aiming towards fall, nobody said it would be done over night did they??? I most certainly didn't!

[ImpalaSlayer]

I'm aiming towards fall, nobody said it would be done over night did they??? I most certainly didn't!


yeah i dont see no one payin my bills or mod fund so this is gettin done on my own terms.

[merc]

I'm aiming towards fall, nobody said it would be done over night did they??? I most certainly didn't!

I will help get to 12.99. Follow the instruction below.

Race gas 103 or 109 unleaded

Lock the convertor

Temps below 50 degrees

Make the A/F changes on the dyno and go Open loop

Get a pair of drag radials

Larger rear gears 4.30 and above

Make sure the drivers weight is below 200 pounds

Headers

Launch hard between 2000-3000 rpm. 60ft times will play a major roll 2.00 and below

Cold air kit

Add as much timing as the engine will stand (23 and above)

Take the seats out or reduce some weight.

PS. A good tail wind would be helpful. Check your local weather reports.

And most importantly don't call me if you engine goes boom.

[FormulaMarauder]

I predict that my final attempt at this will be October or so. I'm just going to use my baseline time and try to figure what else I need to get this done. In the meantime, I can scratch together my pennies to get this done.

[sd8683]

I will help get to 12.99. Follow the instruction below.

Race gas 103 or 109 unleaded Will do

Lock the convertor Will do

Temps below 50 degrees Hopefully

Make the A/F changes on the dyno and go Open loop Maybe.... Have to talk to my tuner.

Get a pair of drag radials Way ahead of ya:D

Larger rear gears 4.30 and above Maybe...... I have 410's now

Make sure the drivers weight is below 200 pounds Hmmmmmm...... Thats not likely:o

Headers Awaiting install

Launch hard between 2000-3000 rpm. 60ft times will play a major roll 2.00 and below Thats the plan.

Cold air kit Way ahead of ya:D

Add as much timing as the engine will stand (23 and above) Will have to consult with my tuner as well.

Take the seats out or reduce some weight. I don't know if that is within the "rules" :dunno:

PS. A good tail wind would be helpful. Check your local weather reports.

And most importantly don't call me if you engine goes boom.
.........................

[Glenn]

Since the prime opportunity to hit the NA 12's is now passed. Apparently no Northern tracks are allowed to open until the weather hits 80 degrees to insure all the snow is melted?? The next window of opportunity is SSHS9 in Atlanta. So we all need to put this jaw jackin' and key board racing to bed until November. See you in Commerce, GA - Any NA driver is welcomed to ride with me to experience what an honest to goodness 11-12 second ride feels like. There will be no charge for the experience.

See you in November --------------

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

Since the prime opportunity to hit the NA 12's is now passed. Apparently no Northern tracks are allowed to open until the weather hits 80 degrees to insure all the snow is melted?? The next window of opportunity is SSHS9 in Atlanta. So we all need to put this jaw jackin' and key board racing to bed until November. See you in Commerce, GA - Any NA driver is welcomed to ride with me to experience what an honest to goodness 11-12 second ride feels like. There will be no charge for the experience.

See you in November --------------

Glenn Ford :burnout:

hmmmm, nope ill pass

[ctrlraven]

Since the prime opportunity to hit the NA 12's is now passed. Apparently no Northern tracks are allowed to open until the weather hits 80 degrees to insure all the snow is melted?? The next window of opportunity is SSHS9 in Atlanta. So we all need to put this jaw jackin' and key board racing to bed until November. See you in Commerce, GA - Any NA driver is welcomed to ride with me to experience what an honest to goodness 11-12 second ride feels like. There will be no charge for the experience.

See you in November --------------

Glenn Ford :burnout:
Why do you continue to post then? We NA guys are still discussing stuff. It's going to happen whether you like it or not. :burnout:

[FormulaMarauder]

I actually want to thank Glen for tossing up this challenge. I know it was completely inadvertant, but look at what you have started! If I want to go high 11's, low 12's, I can do it tomorrow.
But that's not the point now, is it? :)

[TiTo35]

Glenn must not have any kids...Tell them one thing...they do the opposite!

[Glenn]

Matt -'06 USNA, LT JG, top grade average in his class major, NAPS - MS in Computer Science, Naval aviator, assigned to SH-60Bs. Eagle Scout, Bronze Palm, OOA - 2nd level, Eagle Ranger.

Chris - '08 GA Tech, International Affairs - language major Arabic and French, US Marines OCS. Eagle Scout, Bronze Palm, OOA 2nd level.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[Joe Walsh]

I will help get to 12.99. Follow the instruction below.

Race gas 103 or 109 unleaded

Lock the convertor

Temps below 50 degrees

Make the A/F changes on the dyno and go Open loop

Get a pair of drag radials

Larger rear gears 4.30 and above

Make sure the drivers weight is below 200 pounds

Headers

Launch hard between 2000-3000 rpm. 60ft times will play a major roll 2.00 and below

Cold air kit

Add as much timing as the engine will stand (23 and above)

Take the seats out or reduce some weight.

PS. A good tail wind would be helpful. Check your local weather reports.

And most importantly don't call me if you engine goes boom.

Everything looks good except for the weight reduction...
I'd say that you have to have a full interior car + the spare tire....just like you drive it on the street.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Everything looks good except for the weight reduction...
I'd say that you have to have a full interior car + the spare tire....just like you drive it on the street.


thats how mine will be

[Blackened300a]

thats how mine will be

Likewise..

[Paul T. Casey]

Matt -'06 USNA, LT JG, top grade average in his class major, NAPS - MS in Computer Science, Naval aviator, assigned to SH-60Bs. Eagle Scout, Bronze Palm, OOA - 2nd level, Eagle Ranger.

Chris - '08 GA Tech, International Affairs - language major Arabic and French, US Marines OCS. Eagle Scout, Bronze Palm, OOA 2nd level.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

Met Glenn's offspring a time or 2. They were raised well, real southern gentlemen, just like Daddy. Another 50K or so miles, and I just may have to take C-note from your pocket, or blow up trying. Gotta win something from you. :coolman:

[mpearce]

Even if you do all that, AND take the spare out...it's just not going to happen. Barry pushed the N/A envelope. I don't think he'll be beaten anytime soon. (unless the run is made at an insanely prepped track, and the temp is below 32*) The car is too heavy. BTW...I thought leaving the seats in were part of the rules?

[nazman]

It will be done. Got to local Black Marauders that we are working! Texas heat will play a huge role....but...it will be done!

Naz

[Glenn]

Amazing how this whole thing has just DIED!!!!! I mean D-I-E-D!!! I should collect $100 from everyone who doubted my statements. So where are the results - anyone? http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif

Glenn Ford http://www.modularfords.com/forums/images/smilies/good.gif

[TiTo35]

They said this wasnt a timed event...pending money and time it will happen...why you in a rush for it? See NATEHAWKs Signature quote...

[ImpalaSlayer]

Glenn your the drag racing pro, you among all of us should know its to hot to even attempt!

:bows:

[mpearce]

I thought the bet was for an untouched 4.6L Marauder motor? Isn't an aftermarket intake technically "touching" the motor?

[KillJoy]

Full Bolt On Car, sticky tires, Better Stall TC, 4.56's, Race Gas, bitchin Tune, 65*-ish air......

Spare Tire... my car never had one, but it did have about 100+ lbs in stereo stuff ;)

A 12.99 should be doable.

:up:

KillJoy

[99SVT]

Here's some food for thought for those trying to hit 12's.

Has anyone tried removing the front sway bar for some better weight transfer and a ~15lb reduction from the extreme front of the car. It shouldn't break any of the rules as it's still "streetable" without and it only takes a few minutes to remove anyways (probably less time than swapping drag radials). It might be worth a 10th on the 60' and that could push someone into the 12's if they're that close. We did it to my friend's fox Mustang and the thing would launch so hard the diff would hit the floorpan set up that way.

Good luck to those making the attempt.

[ImpalaSlayer]

I thought the bet was for an untouched 4.6L Marauder motor? Isn't an aftermarket intake technically "touching" the motor?

no, its a bolt on, as far as im concerned so long as you leave the longblock alone, have at it

[Glenn]

I have always wondered if removing the front sway bar would help with my MM launch. No one has really clearly stated if removing the bar helps during launching. Has anyone actually done this on a MM to a real benefit.

Glenn :burnout:

[ctrlraven]

I have always wondered if removing the front sway bar would help with my MM launch. No one has really clearly stated if removing the bar helps during launching. Has anyone actually done this on a MM to a real benefit.

Glenn :burnout:
Try it and let us know.

[Joe Walsh]

I have always wondered if removing the front sway bar would help with my MM launch. No one has really clearly stated if removing the bar helps during launching. Has anyone actually done this on a MM to a real benefit.

Glenn :burnout:


Try it and let us know.

My buddy and I used to do that on our 5.0 Mustangs.
Definitely helped the front end rise and the rear squat.
It was hard to be consistent with 5 speeds but it seemed to help the 60 foot times.
Don't ask about hitting the exit/entrance ramp curves on the way home from the track....:eek:.....:shake:

[mpearce]

Try it and let us know.

I don't think Glenn needs any help with his 60'.

[mpearce]

no, its a bolt on, as far as im concerned so long as you leave the longblock alone, have at it

Thats cool. IMO, it's touching the motor, but that's just me.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Thats cool. IMO, it's touching the motor, but that's just me.

well be glad its not your car then! ;)