Bad Ticking noise coming from the engine

[blownxtreme]

Recently while starting my marauder up I've noticed a bad ticking noise coming from the engine. At first I attributed it to a cold start with the oil just needing to move around in the engine. The last few weeks have me concerned though. Even after the engine has gotten to normal operating temperatures it still makes the noise but it has slowly gotten worse over the last few weeks. It sounds like a tired engine thats been running for the last 20 years straight. I recently took it into a mercury dealership in the Milwaukee area and this is what they told me.


I was told that the 4.6 engine may experience a loud engine ticking(I can hear it through the firewall loudly) or rattle noise that sounds like a stuck tappet(HLA). This may be due to the deterioration of an aftermarket oil filter. Vehicles with this condition have low oil pressure at one cylinder head only, while main pressures are normal. Dislodged material from the aftermarket oil filter blocks the cam cap oil passage, either at cylinder #4 or cylinder #5. Ford recommends the use of ford approved oil filters only. Damage to engines caused by aftermarket oil filters are not covered under warranty.

Now when I bought the marauder I purchased a extended warranty that states it covers everything and then some. It says that I must perform the manufacturers recommended maintenance which I have. I give it an oil change every 3 thousand miles religiously. The representative from the dealership in Milwaukee here told me because of the fact that I didn't use OEM oil filters he doesn't believe that my warranty will cover the cost of repairs.

Has anyone had this problem before or do I get the feeling that I'm being jagged around and that they don't want to have anything to do with me or my car?

or am I the only marauder owner that takes his car to an oil change place instead of a dealership? Ive never heard of this happening before.

any input would be greatly appreciated.....

Thanks,
Paul H.

[justbob]

Interesting, never heard that one before. I used to have oil change places do my oil untill i gave her a makeover last summer now its only me or Ford.

[cv2000pi]

I would ask the representative for that in writing. Have they diagnosed it as the filter causing the problem even. There is infomation on this subject from many years ago they are wrong I believe and feel and will ftryto find info for you. Is it a Ford ESP warranty or a aftermarket warranty. And if its a aftermarket warranty, tell them thats why you used a aftermarket filter. Find your receipts for all your oil changes and talk to the people that did the oil changes they should help settle this matter.

[Glenn]

What the Ford dealer told you is absolute BS !!!!
There is nothing in the warranty about using OEM oil filters. This dealer need to be reported and fast to Ford. What a bunch of total crap!

Glenn :burn:

[justbob]

Don't get me wrong, i see the theory and reasoning behind them not likeing others filters on their engines. They want to keep a good name for themselves and would prefer you to use their tried and true products, good reasoning there. But i couldn't see this lasting thirty seconds in a court of law without significant proof of their findings. Good luck, fight this one all the way.

[cv2000pi]

Start here

Google this below,

Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).

[cv2000pi]

Google aftermarket parts and manufactures warranty, oil filters

There is plenty of reading on this subject. see below sound similar

Message:
Magnusson-Moss Act states that a manufacturer must prove that an aftermarket part/modification caused the failure. Fram filters are known to be a problem. Which might be reason for Dodge to void warranty Vehicles with problems due to Fram, Alot of Fram Filters have cardboard in them. From what I have heard people who use those, end up with Cardboard particles in their engines. Which is why a Void of Warranty might be issued.

Under the Magnusson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer�s original warranty, unless the warranty clearly states the addition of such aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicles warranty or that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure. The easiest way to check this is to look in your owner�s manual under, "what is not covered".

[Black_Noise]

use the word lawyer when talking to them

[a_d_a_m]

what you're describing sounds exactly like the TSB from the 2000-2003 2v motors (timing chain tensioners/guides getting eaten up). from what i was told, the marauder is exempt from this TSB, but uhhh...i guess parts can fail on any motor.

does it only make this noise on startup, and then go away? if so, that's what i would guess...

[RF Overlord]

Blownxtreme, get a second opinion.

For one thing, your dealer is full of it. The Magnuson-Moss Act states (in part) that for a manufacturer to predicate warranty coverage on the use of a specific part, they have to supply that part free of charge. Ford has no such requirement.

Secondly, your dealer is full of it. I've never heard of any 4.6 having an oil pressure problem/cam cap blockage such as your dealer described. I'm not saying this didn't actually happen to your motor, but it would be extremely rare.

In short, yes...you are being jagged around.

[DOOM]

Get a 2nd opinion

[wilsoj6]

I have the exact same problem on my 04 MM. A loud ticking noise that only happens at start-up and goes away after about 5 minutes. It only does it when I start the car up again after it running for any amount of time. In other words, it never does it when the car is cold. Never in the morning or after it being parked for a while. whenever I go to get it checked out it never does it (just my luck).does anyone know what this might be or how much it will cost to get fixed???? Thanks in advance

[BODYMAN]

Start here

Google this below,

Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).

This sums it up Do they really want to lose there *** over a aftermarket filter. When I did my 1st Marauder at Kenny Brown it had 900 miles and they stated that act and what could be done when manufacturer has a issue with aft parts. What kind off ticking noise is it alot of guys had a problem right after we bought our cars I beleive a problem w/ the rt cylinder head?? as all the other guys stated I would be getting a 2nd opinion.

[SVT_MERC]

We were just going over the whole oil filter thing in class on Friday. Many OEM filters have a check valve in them that keeps most of the oil in the passages from back flowing and draining back to the pan, so oil in passages of the engine remains where it was at the time of engine shutoff. This will let you have oil available to almost all of the engine right at start up. As a way of keeping costs down, many aftermarket filters lack this valve, thus allowing oil in the passages of the block and heads will drain back down to the oil pan every time the engine is shut down, making start up harder on the engine by taking more time for the oil pressure to get up and to where it needs to be.

[BODYMAN]

We were just going over the whole oil filter thing in class on Friday. Many OEM filters have a check valve in them that keeps most of the oil in the passages from back flowing and draining back to the pan, so oil in passages of the engine remains where it was at the time of engine shutoff. This will let you have oil available to almost all of the engine right at start up. As a way of keeping costs down, many aftermarket filters lack this valve, thus allowing oil in the passages of the block and heads will drain back down to the oil pan every time the engine is shut down, making start up harder on the engine by taking more time for the oil pressure to get up and to where it needs to be.

NEVER heard this before that is good info. I already use nothing but motorcraft in all 6 of my Fords but Mobil-1 oil;.

[RF Overlord]

many aftermarket filters lack this valveI wouldn't use the term "many". I've investigated dozens of filter brands for various vehicles and never seen even ONE that did not have this valve where required. BTW, its correct name is Anti-Drainback Valve, most often abbreviated ADBV. All of the popular filters have one, including:

Motorcraft (obviously), AMSOIL, Purolator, WIX, NAPA, Carquest, FRAM, Mobil 1, K&N, STP, Bosch, and even the house brand at Wally World (SuperTech). I think the only filters that may not include an ADBV are either counterfeit or the bottom-feeder Chinese knockoffs.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

I am pretty sure that any aftermarket filter has to have the drain valve if stock had it, for that application. If you start mixing and matching filters to put a "bigger one on there" then you start running into not having the same drain back or no drain back that the stock app had.

[cv2000pi]

After thinking about this more and after working on my 2000 CV PI I felt I needed to add this thought. My motor has always been noise on a cold start after a overnight of sitting. After trying all the name brand filters I was resolved to just living with it till it broke or I sold the car. I have had a noise of a heat shield or convertor for the past four or five years that you could heard at the drive up window at the bank or fast food drive-in. Car ran fine and no CEL but I finally got tired of it and started cutting the exhaust apart to figure out what was wrong. Removed the left rear convertor and the insides of the front converter fell out. The rest melted to the inside of the rear converter. Due to avail funds removed both rear converters and replaced with straight pipe, the car is completely different now when starting in the morning and sounds like a completely different engine. Just a thought but these engine take a beating and keep coming back for more and I am not one to just take a engine apart to look for a possible problem.

[MrBluGruv]

I have a similar issue myself, the cylinder closest to the driver seat makes a ticking noise at idle. It's too deep sounding to be straight up tick though, and definately too quiet to be rod knock. I get different opinions from everyone, and while not seeming to really lose any power or economy on the motor I still don't feel entirely safe with the life of this thing while it's making noise like that, especially if I consider getting enlarged cams or an S/C in the future. I'll probably be taking off my remaining 2 cats once I get my xcal with tune in soon, but fail that I'd be curious to see if anything new arises from this issue.