DR no more ?

[Bradley G]

So Mr. Rienhart is no longer a vendor on MM.net?
I was antisipating him removing his "Ownership" status, but to leave the site entirely, that is a surprise.

[Fourth Horseman]

Yeah, I'm sorry to see him go. I'm not here to defend him or anything like that, but I can honestly say that he treated me well and I was and continue to be a completely satisfied customer. He went above and beyond for me more than once, as well. Thank you Dennis. :beer:

[SC Cheesehead]

So Mr. Rienhart is no longer a vendor on MM.net?
I was antisipating him removing his "Ownership" status, but to leave the site entirely, that is a surprise.

I'm hoping he stays on as a member. Dennis had a lot of great technical posts, and I for one would miss those.

[Master]

Agreed. It is always a shame when someone feel sthe only recourse is to pack up and leave.

[O's Fan Rich]

Agreed. It is always a shame when someone feel sthe only recourse is to pack up and leave.

Yep , it is a shame, like Jerry Barnes at Trilogy Motorsports, Marc at Marauder Concepts... and even Todd from Grand Muffler.. just to name a few others.
Hey, even John stopped being a vendor, but then came back.

[GordonB]

It's unfortunate that some people seem to spoil things for the overwhelming majority who would just like to 'get along'. The constant ranting, tirades, and other pathetic behavior in some of the threads here recently on the part of some is causing great harm for the many, the few, and the proud MM owners here who have been active on this site from the beginning. I left once before partly due to work circumstances and partly due to bickering, etc. but I returned.

The net of this is it really boils down to how you treat people, incl. vendors, and is quite simple. If you can't say something nice or constructive, don't say it!!!! If you want to be a Flaming A#$H#$%, be my guest and watch the site unravel, members leave, incl. vendors, and then wonder why things are not as they were. Abnoxious attitudes and behavior turn off most people. If I have offended anyone, I am sorry. Sometimes, we, the senior members of MM.net, need to call out our fellow MM members and let them know that their comments and behavior are not in keeping with the purpose and the people of this site.

GordonB

[CBT]

It's unfortunate that some people seem to spoil things for the overwhelming majority who would just like to 'get along'. The constant ranting, tirades, and other pathetic behavior in some of the threads here recently on the part of some is causing great harm for the many, the few, and the proud MM owners here who have been active on this site from the beginning. I left once before partly due to work circumstances and partly due to bickering, etc. but I returned.

The net of this is it really boils down to how you treat people, incl. vendors, and is quite simple. If you can't say something nice or constructive, don't say it!!!! If you want to be a Flaming A#$H#$%, be my guest and watch the site unravel, members leave, incl. vendors, and then wonder why things are not as they were. Abnoxious attitudes and behavior turn off most people. If I have offended anyone, I am sorry. Sometimes, we, the senior members of MM.net, need to call out our fellow MM members and let them know that their comments and behavior are not in keeping with the purpose and the people of this site.

GordonB

Okay why does everything have to be nice and constructive in order to say it? If you dealt with someone here or met someone here and they are not worthy of anything good to say, we are not supposed to mention it?

[rayjay]

Hmm, missed that he left the site. He did contribute valuable R&D and info.

[Meteorite]

Okay why does everything have to be nice and constructive in order to say it? If you dealt with someone here or met someone here and they are not worthy of anything good to say, we are not supposed to mention it?

Agreed. Only saying positive things (or keeping quiet) will definitely give readers a false impression in the cases where there are negative things to be said, if they are never voiced.

[Zack]

Yeah, I'm sorry to see him go. I'm not here to defend him or anything like that, but I can honestly say that he treated me well and I was and continue to be a completely satisfied customer. He went above and beyond for me more than once, as well. Thank you Dennis. :beer:

Same here, until he tried to screw me out of $$$ I had a right to make.

When I realized (after 5 years) that Money comes before friendship to him, I wrote him off forever.

I hope he takes a celestial dirt nap.

[knine]

I hope he takes a celestial dirt nap.
:shake: . just look at how these two quotes go together.

[nomad]

Same here, until he tried to screw me out of $$$ I had a right to make.

When I realized (after 5 years) that Money comes before friendship to him, I wrote him off forever.

I hope he takes a celestial dirt nap.


:shake: . just look at how these two quotes go together.

Agreed.
Like him ,or not. Somethings are over the line.:shake:

[knine]

Agreed.
Like him ,or not. Somethings are over the line.:shake:
Like him? I love him like a brother, but sometimes there's a limit. Sorry Bro.

[MM03MOK]

Yes, Zack speaks his mind and yes, Zack has no class.

Regardless of your experience with Dennis, we wouldn't be where we are today without his R & D, as Ray said. He has contributed thousands of dollars worth of products for our raffles over the last 6 years that many benefited from. He sought out new partnerships with manufacturers, becoming a distrubutor and authorized reseller just for our needs.

Following up on what GordonB said....there's a big difference between constructive criticism and outright hateful bashing.

[SC Cheesehead]

Like him? I love him like a brother, but sometimes there's a limit. Sorry Bro.

+1

You're a good friend Zack, but that was over the line.

You really hate him that much you want him dead? :dunno:

[Zack]

Are you guys that ignorant to the fact I used the exact line Dennis himself told Hotrauder last year?

Sheesh, gimme a break. Y'all go worry about your own affairs, stay the hell out of mine.

[knine]

Are you guys that ignorant to the fact I used the exact line Dennis himself told Hotrauder last year?

Sheesh, gimme a break. Y'all go worry about your own affairs, stay the hell out of mine.
Missed that one last year. Wasn't right then or now. ...and I'll be in your affairs as much as possible if I can help you understand that words sometimes hurt and every once in a while we need reminded of this. :bop: THAT'S WHAT FRIENDS ARE FOR. :hug:

[SC Cheesehead]

Are you guys that ignorant to the fact I used the exact line Dennis himself told Hotrauder last year?

Sheesh, gimme a break. Y'all go worry about your own affairs, stay the hell out of mine.

Hmmmm. methinks you're starting to sound like a guy down ATL-way....:rolleyes:

[Zack]

Hey. If you guys want to refocus the attention onto me now, fine.

How soon we forget all the screwed over customers, broken promises, broken cars, cancelled credit cards, crappy tunes, and the HUNDREDS of other members who never even broke their silence.

PITIFUL!

[knine]

Hey. If you guys want to refocus the attention onto me now, fine.

How soon we forget all the screwed over customers, broken promises, broken cars, cancelled credit cards, crappy tunes, and the HUNDREDS of other members who never even broke their silence.

PITIFUL!
Nope, haven't forgotten. There's enough garbage on the floor, just don't want to see anyone I know there too.

[duhtroll]

::puts on mortarboard and pulls out pointer::

(ahem)

Actually, what Zack has wished upon Dennis (and Dennis to Hotrauder) is that he be taken up to Heaven.

That's what "celestial" means, at least in the context given. The other meaning of "celestial" (i.e. "visible sky") doesn't make any sense in the context of a "dirt nap."

Zack, choose your words better. :D

::puts away nerd items::


Are you guys that ignorant to the fact I used the exact line Dennis himself told Hotrauder last year?

Sheesh, gimme a break. Y'all go worry about your own affairs, stay the hell out of mine.

[knine]

::puts on mortarboard and pulls out pointer::

(ahem)

Actually, what Zack has wished upon Dennis (and Dennis to Hotrauder) is that he be taken up to Heaven.

That's what "celestial" means, at least in the context given. The other meaning of "celestial" (i.e. "visible sky") doesn't make any sense in the context of a "dirt nap."

Zack, choose your words better. :D

::puts away nerd items::
:lol: Spin of the year award winner !!!

[O's Fan Rich]

Are you guys that ignorant to the fact I used the exact line Dennis himself told Hotrauder last year?

Sheesh, gimme a break. Y'all go worry about your own affairs, stay the hell out of mine.

Yes, yes he did.

And he was NOT called on the carpet for it, or told by people here that it was "over the line".
DR never screwed me, I've only heard the accounts from the "horses mouth" so to speak.
But I do know this Dennis Watts is one of the most HONORABLE MEN you'll ever have the privilege of calling Friend. He did not deserve that comment and deserved more support than he got when it was made.

[O's Fan Rich]

Hmmmm. methinks you're starting to sound like a guy down ATL-way....:rolleyes:

No... He would start talking about all the nut-swingers supporters.

Zack is being as tactful as he can, Rex.... he's learning....

Oh.... in before the lock.....

[Zack]

Yes, Zack speaks his mind and yes, Zack has no class.

Regardless of your experience with Dennis, we wouldn't be where we are today without his R & D, as Ray said. He has contributed thousands of dollars worth of products for our raffles over the last 6 years that many benefited from. He sought out new partnerships with manufacturers, becoming a distrubutor and authorized reseller just for our needs.

Following up on what GordonB said....there's a big difference between constructive criticism and outright hateful bashing.

You are the sole reason he's still here, and been allowed to get away with murder.
Sorry, but being a woman and the 'soft side' in you has been a contributing factor in members getting it from behind with no lube.

No hug for you in Louisville.

[ImpalaSlayer]

its going to rain today

[Hack Goby]

You are the sole reason he's still here, and been allowed to get away with murder.
Sorry, but being a woman and the 'soft side' in you has been a contributing factor in members getting it from behind with no lube.

No hug for you in Louisville.

Jeez Louise guys I can`t beleve it`s got to this.I can`t go to any of the Marauder websites without hearing nothing but crap.Count me as a maybe for Louisville.

[O's Fan Rich]

You are the sole reason he's still here, and been allowed to get away with murder.
Sorry, but being a woman and the 'soft side' in you has been a contributing factor in members getting it from behind with no lube.

No hug for you in Louisville.

Ok...... rethinking my tact comment here, Zack...

[Zack]

Ok...... rethinking my tact comment here, Zack...

to hell with tact Rich.
Love me or leave me. :D

[Mebot]

Am I the only person who has no clue what's going on? I know I'm not on as frequently on this site as I'd like to be, but I have no idea why Dennis Reinhart is leaving or why there's bad blood between members.

What happened last year?

[Vortech347]

You are the sole reason he's still here, and been allowed to get away with murder.
Sorry, but being a woman and the 'soft side' in you has been a contributing factor in members getting it from behind with no lube.

No hug for you in Louisville.

I can't believe you just played the sexist card!!!! How low can you go man! Just when I try to start liking you again you say something TOTALLY out of line.

Last time someone did that to my wife they ended up on the ground crying holding their coin purse from her backhand squirl tap.

[rayjay]

Am I the only person who has no clue what's going on? I know I'm not on as frequently on this site as I'd like to be, but I have no idea why Dennis Reinhart is leaving or why there's bad blood between members.

What happened last year?

Sometimes you are better off not knowing.

[O's Fan Rich]

Am I the only person who has no clue what's going on? I know I'm not on as frequently on this site as I'd like to be, but I have no idea why Dennis Reinhart is leaving or why there's bad blood between members.

What happened last year?

I gotta be me......

Dude!! SEARCH feature:lol:!!!!:lol::lol::lol :

nah.... that'd be 4 year project at least....
Let me simplify for you:

People.


Got it?

[knine]

No hug for you in Louisville.
I'll hug you twice then. :hug::hug:

[rayjay]

BACK http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x229/animekitsune/inb4lock.jpg

[Haggis]

Count me as a maybe for Louisville.

NOoooo!!!!! Paul, I am bringing a 'special' liquor for you to try.

[Zack]

I can't believe you just played the sexist card!!!! How low can you go man! Just when I try to start liking you again you say something TOTALLY out of line.

Last time someone did that to my wife they ended up on the ground crying holding their coin purse from her backhand squirl tap.

Why do you even bother adding wear to your keyboard.
Go away, put me on ignore, whatever.

[ckadiddle]

As long as there are internet forums, there will be internet drama.

[BODYMAN]

It's unfortunate that some people seem to spoil things for the overwhelming majority who would just like to 'get along'. The constant ranting, tirades, and other pathetic behavior in some of the threads here recently on the part of some is causing great harm for the many, the few, and the proud MM owners here who have been active on this site from the beginning. I left once before partly due to work circumstances and partly due to bickering, etc. but I returned.

The net of this is it really boils down to how you treat people, incl. vendors, and is quite simple. If you can't say something nice or constructive, don't say it!!!! If you want to be a Flaming A#$H#$%, be my guest and watch the site unravel, members leave, incl. vendors, and then wonder why things are not as they were. Abnoxious attitudes and behavior turn off most people. If I have offended anyone, I am sorry. Sometimes, we, the senior members of MM.net, need to call out our fellow MM members and let them know that their comments and behavior are not in keeping with the purpose and the people of this site.

GordonB

Iam with you on this Gordon it is a shame been here since late 02 site has evolved in a bad way. I left for over 3- yrs due to the know it alls and they know who there are if youre right and someone else is wrong just admit it. Thats life. dont make a huge deal ,to make youre self look better!!!!!!!! If I have offended anyone Iam sorry. just my 2 pennies it is just hard having been here since the begenning when most people or a good % did not even know what a Marauder was.

Todd

[BODYMAN]

I can't believe you just played the sexist card!!!! How low can you go man! Just when I try to start liking you again you say something TOTALLY out of line.

Last time someone did that to my wife they ended up on the ground crying holding their coin purse from her backhand squirl tap.

Iam with you Vortech come pick a fit and I'll finish it for them and it wont be preety. I dont like to argue but I consider myself to be very good at it coming from one of 6 boys growing up and now running a B-S

[Hotrauder]

Actually, the suggestion from Reinhart was that I take a Nocturnal Dirt Nap, I believe. It was in rambling reply to a post by me criticising his business practices and abuse of customer's trust. In that same post I criticised the owners for their failure to allow those abused members a voice. In fairness, I doubt many felt impelled to take issue. I thought it was funny at the time and still do. I felt and still feel that protection of the members from preditory vendors is incumbent on all of us and open honesty regarding transactions is the answer. The vendor feedback forum is a huge and long overdue step to that end. I applaud that addition to this website. I might add that the ONLY vendor on either website who has issues of any kind is leaving. He brought a lot to all of us in the Marauder community and he also abused members, some beyond belief. Dennis

[duhtroll]

Actually, the suggestion from Reinhart was that I take a Nocturnal Dirt Nap, I believe.

So, "nocturnal" would mean awake at night and asleep during the day, so apparently Dennis wants you to be a vampire.

[Pat]

Hey Mary;

Patricia and I are giving you a BIG hug.

For all the things you have done for me and for the North Texas Marauders.

James79stang, Cruzer and Vortex will also line up in the hug line, I'm sure.

Regards,

[CBT]

Isn't Celestial a brand of tea bag? OOP! IN BEFORE THE TEA BAG LOCK!!!!

[Raudermaster]

So, "nocturnal" would mean awake at night and asleep during the day, so apparently Dennis wants you to be a vampire.


:lol: lmao/rofl. I will admit though, I paid $4k for a blower, and it took well over 2 months to get it, and it still wasn't complete. Usually business owners put their customers before themselves first.

[ImpalaSlayer]

:lol: lmao/rofl. I will admit though, I paid $4k for a blower, and it took well over 2 months to get it, and it still wasn't complete. Usually business owners put their customers before themselves first.


see, we can get along. we have things in common :rofl:

[TiTo35]

See signature...

[Marauderjack]

Now look what you have gone and done Bradley!!!!:shake:

In before the lock!!!:rolleyes:

[justbob]

I'm a neutral kinda guy, I never listen or follow the masses. In fact i like to be little different and try new things. As for Zack, I think he's a great guy! Always answers his phone, shows up to almost all meets, constantly pioneering great informative improvements, and gets us free lunch! What more could you ask for? Sure he runs his mouth, so do I! As for Dennis i've talked his ear off for free a couple times, I've ordered Metco's that where on backorder and he has been in constant contact with me, for now we are on great terms. Mary, i don't know you that well but i've been known for throwing out many hugs in my life, so one more coming your way. I will do business with anyone until i get personally burned, stupid? maybe, but i can't help it its just me.

Oh hell hugs to all, i'll see some of you in Kentucky, looking forward to the tours and the boobie bar:beer:

[DEFYANT]

DR who?

................

[merc]

DR who?

................

Drag Radials:burnout:

[TooManyFords]

I didn't think he could spell nocturnal or celestial.

:D

[Marauder131]

While I won't rejoice at DR's leaving, neither will I shed a tear. Indeed, there may be those whose experiences were positive in nature. That being said, any such experiences do nothing to repudiate or mitigate the mendacious treatment many customers have been subject to. Of which, some of the most appalling accounts are not even common knowledge. The metaphor of a wolf in sheep's clothing comes to mind.

[Raudermaster]

see, we can get along. we have things in common :rofl:

I NEVER had anything against you. You just take "my humor" the wrong way. lol, you didn't even bother installing yours. I wrote my own directions.

[SC Cheesehead]

Jeez Louise guys I can`t beleve it`s got to this.I can`t go to any of the Marauder websites without hearing nothing but crap.Count me as a maybe for Louisville.




NOoooo!!!!! Paul, I am bringing a 'special' liquor for you to try.

:eek: and I'm bringing extra Blue Moon!

Paul, you GOTTA come to Louisville!!

[lucenti]

interesting! I was just putting a mental movie to all this drama and mayhem. I think it could win an oscar!!! cross between 3 stooges, Laural and Hardy,and my all time best Abbott and Costello

Nice being a member.......

:stooges:

[Fourth Horseman]

Same here, until he tried to screw me out of $$$ I had a right to make.

When I realized (after 5 years) that Money comes before friendship to him, I wrote him off forever.

I hope he takes a celestial dirt nap.

Certainly I don't know him as well as you did, and I know many people seem to have problems with him, but my experience was positive. Don't really have more to say than that. I just didn't feel it would be right to say nothing. That's all I've got.

[TAKEDOWN]

I'm a neutral kinda guy, I never listen or follow the masses. In fact i like to be little different and try new things. As for Zack, I think he's a great guy! Always answers his phone, shows up to almost all meets, constantly pioneering great informative improvements, and gets us free lunch! What more could you ask for? Sure he runs his mouth, so do I! As for Dennis i've talked his ear off for free a couple times, I've ordered Metco's that where on backorder and he has been in constant contact with me, for now we are on great terms. Mary, i don't know you that well but i've been known for throwing out many hugs in my life, so one more coming your way. I will do business with anyone until i get personally burned, stupid? maybe, but i can't help it its just me.

Oh hell hugs to all, i'll see some of you in Kentucky, looking forward to the tours and the boobie bar:beer:

Can I get a tug Bob? Ooops... I mean a hug, Bob?

[ctrlraven]

Peace, love and turbo boost.

Thanks for the wannabe Xcal 2.......I mean SF Device.

[hot-rauder]

to hell with tact Rich.
Love me or leave me. :D


Zack, Is there any wat to say that I am taking or leavng you without it being thought of in a dirty way? :rofl:

Wow, the drama dies down, and bam! there's more:shake:

[2,4shofast]

You know what the worst part of owning a Marauder has been for me? With so few cars left, probably 85-- left running on the streets I have never seen so many clicks in this small of a group. I have always owned the cars that the masses didnt approve on nor have much respect for...If I didnt enjoy the Marauder experience so much I would have washed my hands of it and the Forums involved with them.

There is a ton of experience that I enjoy reading and learning about but the constant bickering etc makes the Marauder experience bitter sweet. It seems like everyone wants to be a part of the drama....have at it! I have had nothing but positive experiences with DR and all the other vendors I have dealt with so at this time I think there is a good future for my further modifications. Im not on here to make friends or become apart of a click, my life doesnt revolve around Forums or the BS involved. I just would like to see more Marauder owners come together and enjoy the experience together. Isnt that why we log on? Just my .02 take it for what it is.

I believe that everyone who has had a bad experience with DR has spoken up at every oportunity provide and their voices have been heard...Let sleeping dogs lie and get on with your life, I cant tell you how many times I have been screwed out of thousands of dollars modding vehicles...I have chocked it up as a lessons learned and moved on. Why dwell on negatives in life when it is too short...my opinion has been said...Hope to see all the Marauder folk at events and hope to learn more.

[O's Fan Rich]

You know what the worst part of owning a Marauder has been for me? With so few cars left, probably 85-- left running on the streets I have never seen so many clicks in this small of a group. I have always owned the cars that the masses didnt approve on nor have much respect for...If I didnt enjoy the Marauder experience so much I would have washed my hands of it and the Forums involved with them.

There is a ton of experience that I enjoy reading and learning about but the constant bickering etc makes the Marauder experience bitter sweet. It seems like everyone wants to be a part of the drama....have at it! I have had nothing but positive experiences with DR and all the other vendors I have dealt with so at this time I think there is a good future for my further modifications. Im not on here to make friends or become apart of a click, my life doesnt revolve around Forums or the BS involved. I just would like to see more Marauder owners come together and enjoy the experience together. Isnt that why we log on? Just my .02 take it for what it is.

I believe that everyone who has had a bad experience with DR has spoken up at every oportunity provide and their voices have been heard...Let sleeping dogs lie and get on with your life, I cant tell you how many times I have been screwed out of thousands of dollars modding vehicles...I have chocked it up as a lessons learned and moved on. Why dwell on negatives in life when it is too short...my opinion has been said...Hope to see all the Marauder folk at events and hope to learn more.

You joined in 2006.... you missed a lot of history.

[Ms. Denmark]

Sorry, but being a woman and the 'soft side' in you ........
No hug for you in Louisville.Don't need an apology for being a woman. ;) And 'soft side' is read tactful, streetsmart, sensible, coolheaded, and effective.

I think Mary and I could take you. :P Add My-rodder and LadyHawke..... and it's a slam dunk.:D

Course I got some pretty decent backup:cool:




You joined in 2006.... you missed a lot of history.Whew! Was never too interested in ancient history. We got enough current history to deal with.;)

[rayjay]

:D:D
Don't need an apology for being a woman. ;) And 'soft side' is read tactful, streetsmart, sensible, coolheaded, and effective.

I think Mary and I could take you. :P Add My-rodder and LadyHawke..... and it's a slam dunk.:D

Course I got some pretty decent backup:cool:



Whew! Was never too interested in ancient history. We got enough current history to deal with.;)

Make sure there is a camera on this action. :D

[SC Cheesehead]

I think Mary and I could take you. :P Add My-rodder and LadyHawke..... and it's a slam dunk.:D

Course I got some pretty decent backup:cool:

Flounder: This is gonna be great!

[MyTMerc]

Don't need an apology for being a woman. ;) And 'soft side' is read tactful, streetsmart, sensible, coolheaded, and effective.

I think Mary and I could take you. :P Add My-rodder and LadyHawke..... and it's a slam dunk.:D

Course I got some pretty decent backup:cool:



"The Louisville Smackdown":D Are there tickets available for this event yet? Rumor has it, the Vegas Marauders are already taking points.:lol:

[Marauder131]

Before anyone prematurely bemoans the loss of D.R as a supporting vendor, they might first want to contemplate why it was that many of the previous major vendors chose to bid adieu. Or, consider precisely why so much controversy tends to always surround D.R. History, is indeed history, however, it is farcical to have sympathy for an individual who has willfully endeavored to harm the businesses of other vendors, as a means to propel his own. To make no mention of his perfidious business practices that have resulted in adverse circumstances for many of his customers. His farewell reads like a typical attempt at soliciting empathy, to which many are more than willing to oblige. I won't fault anyone for expressing positive sentiment, if that was their personal experience. However, I wonder if perhaps we should instead reserve our empathy for those who were subject to such unscrupulousness, rather than for the person who profited from it.

[Zack]

If anyone took offense to my comment to Mary (including Mary) let me publicly apologize.

However, It is my belief that my statement is factual.
Dennis was offered a lot of business restructuring help throughout the years (from myself...and Mary included, amongst many others) He turned us all away.

From a website owner standpoint, I believe the owners (and mainly Mary, simply because she is the silent leader) realy fumbled the ball by allowing Dennis to bend so many customers over.

Whether anyone knows it or not, the owners are and were aware of a multitude of problems created by DR. How they handled it, or lack thereof, has ultimately caused many of the ill feelings we all share today.

And this all stems back to the 'soft side' comment. Rather than nipping the problem in the bud, many fruitless efforts to motivate DR to become a better businessman have failed.... failed the members, failed themselves, lost respect, burned bridges.

This one man has crumbled the building blocks that built this website and turned many once friends into strangers.
You should all be applauding his exit and rejoice in knowing that this is not the beginning of the end, rather the just the end of the beginning.
We will all be better because of this and hopefully mend the tight knit community we once had... at least that is my hope. :up:

[DEFYANT]

If anyone took offense to my comment to Mary (including Mary) let me publicly apologize.

However, It is my belief that my statement is factual.
Dennis was offered a lot of business restructuring help throughout the years (from myself...and Mary included, amongst many others) He turned us all away.

From a website owner standpoint, I believe the owners (and mainly Mary, simply because she is the silent leader) realy fumbled the ball by allowing Dennis to bend so many customers over.

Whether anyone knows it or not, the owners are and were aware of a multitude of problems created by DR. How they handled it, or lack thereof, has ultimately caused many of the ill feelings we all share today.

And this all stems back to the 'soft side' comment. Rather than nipping the problem in the bud, many fruitless efforts to motivate DR to become a better businessman have failed.... failed the members, failed themselves, lost respect, burned bridges.

This one man has crumbled the building blocks that built this website and turned many once friends into strangers.
You should all be applauding his exit and rejoice in knowing that this is not the beginning of the end, rather the just the end of the beginning.
We will all be better because of this and hopefully mend the tight knit community we once had... at least that is my hope. :up:

I completely agree.

+1 to infinity and beyond.

[SC Cheesehead]

Zack,

That's a real stand up post, bubba. :up:

Good thought and logic went into it. I've not had any issues with Dennis, so I don't share your sentiments; but you presented your points in a way that make sense to anyone reading them.

Rich, I'm thinking the Padiwan's starting to get it!! ;)



BTW, Never met Paula, I know Bunny and Chris....it would be a good match-up, but you're a wiry rascal, I'd put my money on you.....:D

[rayjay]

Zack,

BTW, Never met Paula, I know Bunny and Chris....it would be a good match-up, but you're a wiry rascal, I'd put my money on you.....:D

Never met Zack, but know Paula, Bunny and Chris. He takes a beat down in two rounds. :D

[Ken]

Never met Zack, but know Paula, Bunny and Chris. He takes a beat down in two rounds. :DMike, can we get this set up for Friday night after dinner? Maybe, add some Jello (Shots, that is!) :rofl: My money's on the girls!!!

Ken

[TAKEDOWN]

Zack,

That's a real stand up post, bubba. :up:

Good thought and logic went into it. I've not had any issues with Dennis, so I don't share your sentiments; but you presented your points in a way that make sense to anyone reading them.

Rich, I'm thinking the Padiwan's starting to get it!! ;)



BTW, Never met Paula, I know Bunny and Chris....it would be a good match-up, but you're a wiry rascal, I'd put my money on you.....:D

LOL... He's got the force within him!

[Kennyrauder]

I have to agree with Hotrauder, Dennis Reinhart took mr to the wall several times on way overdue purchaces, 8weeks for my headers & a no showafter buying Coil packs & I had to get nasty to get his attention. I hated to do it but he left me no choice. I forgive him though & wish him the best.

[2,4shofast]

You joined in 2006.... you missed a lot of history.

Yea I have missed a lot of HISTORY, I choose not to live in the past as it will get me nowhere. I think you missed my point entirely but either way happy motoring.:D

[O's Fan Rich]

Yea I have missed a lot of HISTORY, I choose not to live in the past as it will get me nowhere. I think you missed my point entirely but either way happy motoring.:D

By all means explain your point. I could be way off base. It would not be the first time.

Those who choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

You also need to realize that those who had the major problems were not guys who simply ordered parts from him, but had major work and a major investment in their cars.
From your signature, it appears you simply ordered parts from him, that usually worked out very well, no issues there.
But the major issues should not be overlooked, for all of us can learn from them.

[justbob]

Mike, can we get this set up for Friday night after dinner? Maybe, add some Jello (Shots, that is!) :rofl: My money's on the girls!!!

Ken
Sorry Ken, friday night is booked, we will be donating money that night, a dollar at a time.:D

[stryker]

:( So sad by me. what this means he will no longer sell parts for the MGM,MM,CV-CVPI ? I was saving money to buy several parts to mod very descent my MGM :confused:

[O's Fan Rich]

:( So sad by me. what this means he will no longer sell parts for the MGM,MM,CV-CVPI ? I was saving money to buy several parts to mod very descent my MGM :confused:

No, that's not what this means, he's not going out of business, just not being a vendor here. You can still buy from his site, if you want to and he said he's going to start his own forum.

[stryker]

No, that's not what this means, he's not going out of business, just not being a vendor here. You can still buy from his site, if you want to and he said he's going to start his own forum. Thank you O'S FAN RICH for get out of that doubt :confused:

[Blackened300a]

Yea I have missed a lot of HISTORY, I choose not to live in the past as it will get me nowhere. I think you missed my point entirely but either way happy motoring.:D

How about asking Maraudermark, Navchap, and Marauder131 if they can let the past go?

[Marauder131]

Previous comment deleted.

[Dark_Knight7096]

I fail to see how you are in a position to question whether or not I or anyone else has the perogative to express our sentiments. One of the major issues that had plaqued this community had long been the lack of such expression. Whatever my own experience may have been, it is hardly something that I fixate on. That being said, I am as entitled as anyone else to offer my own commentary, and in doing so, have always displayed the utmost civility. To make no mention of the fact that there is a very specific reason why those of us feel the way we do. If you object to my comments, you'll have to pardon my indifference.



I think he was telling 2,4shofast that some people are not going to let the past go, you included, for a very good reason. And that before you say, "oh the past is the past," it would probably be a good idea to find out why so many are not willing to do that. I don't beleive the comment was in any way derogatory towards you, if anything it was stating that you have a reason to remember DR and the past.

[Marauder131]

I think he was telling 2,4shofast that some people are not going to let the past go, you included, for a very good reason. And that before you say, "oh the past is the past," it would probably be a good idea to find out why so many are not willing to do that. I don't beleive the comment was in any way derogatory towards you, if anything it was stating that you have a reason to remember DR and the past.

Upon closer inspection, I believe you're correct. I should have read more closely before jumping the gun.

[knine]

If anyone took offense to my comment to Mary (including Mary) let me publicly apologize.
Had me right up until the END of that sentence. After that..........:shake:

[gmtech]

Come on people we are turning into MCM.net:puke:. Someone wants to leave, its ok, its a G#DDAMN INTERNET FORUM ABOUT CARS. Dont want to place nice,dont like whos here then dont type in MERCURYMARAUDER.NET on your keyboard, plain & simple.:flamer: Sorry to see DR go but he is a grown a$$ man & makes decisions on his own.

[rayjay]

Come on people we are turning into MCM.net:puke:. Someone wants to leave, its ok, its a G#DDAMN INTERNET FORUM ABOUT CARS. Dont want to place nice,dont like whos here then dont type in MERCURYMARAUDER.NET on your keyboard, plain & simple.:flamer: Sorry to see DR go but he is a grown a$$ man & makes decisions on his own.

gmtech, I agree with some of what you said, however, .net is more than just a internet forum on cars. Having been to a couple meets, this is an actual club to me that has real people I've met and I'm proud to call friends.

[Ms. Denmark]

...however, .net is more than just a internet forum on cars. Having been to a couple meets, this is an actual club to me that has real people I've met and I'm proud to call friends.Have to agree Ray. I refer to mm.net the same way ie "Eric and I are going to Louisville with our Car Club." It is real ,with real people for sure!;) That's why it matters to me.

[justbob]

puff puff pass Paula.

[Ms. Denmark]

puff puff pass Paula.

OK time out!:eek: Mr. Man bogarted my post.:o If You ever see "me" post anything that really raises your eyebrows, report it at once. :rolleyes: Can't live with em, can't live without em!!!:D

[O's Fan Rich]

Come on people we are turning into MCM.net:puke:. Someone wants to leave, its ok, its a G#DDAMN INTERNET FORUM ABOUT CARS. Dont want to place nice,dont like whos here then dont type in MERCURYMARAUDER.NET on your keyboard, plain & simple.:flamer: Sorry to see DR go but he is a grown a$$ man & makes decisions on his own.

If you don't like MCM.com... you don't need to go there.
It's obvious to me that you do NOT understand why it even exists as a separate entity.... that's not how it started, you know.

[gmtech]

If you don't like MCM.com... you don't need to go there.
It's obvious to me that you do NOT understand why it even exists as a separate entity.... that's not how it started, you know.


Couldnt give a rats booty why it started, wish neither one of these site would allow new members because their not wanted. Only the "ones" who are in the "know" are allowed to talk on these forums, everyone else gets a "use the search button" or "you wasnt a member when my feelings got hurt like a internet pansy" or
'Im a senior member". HaHa:shake:

[Marauderjack]

Must be snowing in Jackson, TN??:rolleyes: :D

[Mike Poore]

Have to agree Ray. I refer to mm.net the same way ie "Eric and I are going to Louisville with our Car Club." It is real ,with real people for sure!;) That's why it matters to me.

You're right, Paula, we're family. :lovies:

"Last edited by Silverauder (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/posthistory.php?p=725486); 03-01-2009 at 09:18 AM. Reason: Mr. Man got his hands on my keyboard!!!!!!!! "

All right, Eric///// off to the corner with you, BUSTER! .....and without your supper to boot! :corner:

[Black_Noise]

WOW, with DR and AJ gone this site is moving up a notch in my book

[Ms. Denmark]

Couldnt give a rats booty why it started, wish neither one of these site would allow new members because their not wanted. Only the "ones" who are in the "know" are allowed to talk on these forums, everyone else gets a "use the search button" or "you wasnt a member when my feelings got hurt like a internet pansy" or
'Im a senior member". HaHa:shake:It looks like you've been here longer than I have and are younger than many members. I'm glad to see it. This site does want and need new blood. I, for one, like to hear what newer/younger members have to say. Sure there's a past history but everyone adds to the future. ;)

[Windsor58]

I think we all want to hear about bad experiences with venders. We take the information and use it to make informed decisions about what venders we will or won't do business with. That benefits us all. Where things go downhill is when these reports degenerate into repeated personal attacks. They don't help us. There is no additional or new information that will add anything to the decision making process. They are not fun to read, to say the least. What's the point? We already know you had a bad experience. We understand that you hate the man. Why keep bringing it up? It's bad for your health. High blood pressure, ulcers, that sort of thing. I, for one, don't want to see anything bad happen to anyone here. I look forward to the day when we all can let this go and move on with more happy, healthy and fun discussions.

[O's Fan Rich]

Couldnt give a rats booty why it started, wish neither one of these site would allow new members because their not wanted. Only the "ones" who are in the "know" are allowed to talk on these forums, everyone else gets a "use the search button" or "you wasnt a member when my feelings got hurt like a internet pansy" or
'Im a senior member". HaHa:shake:

Well, since you don't give a rats booty, neither shall I.

[offroadkarter]

everyone else gets a "use the search button"


So when you read every day "whats the best low budget mods for my MM" every day, you will be the first one to type out the same answer over and over? Even though the same question has been answered since 2002?

[fastblackmerc]

so when you read every day "whats the best low budget mods for my mm" every day, you will be the first one to type out the same answer over and over? Even though the same question has been answered since 2002?

+1..............

[jimlam56]

While you people are BS'ing our rear bumpers are sagging...

[O's Fan Rich]

While you people are BS'ing our rear bumpers are sagging...

Jim..... you ok?:confused:

[Bigdogjim]

No his rear bumper is sagging and he is looking for help.

[DEFYANT]

Jim..... you ok?:confused:


That reminds me, anyone need a bra?

[justbob]

OK time out!:eek: Mr. Man bogarted my post.:o If You ever see "me" post anything that really raises your eyebrows, report it at once. :rolleyes: Can't live with em, can't live without em!!!:D


I'm really starting to like this Eric guy.:D

[Joe Walsh]

While you people are BS'ing our rear bumpers are sagging...


No his rear bumper is sagging and he is looking for help.


That reminds me, anyone need a bra?

Charlie!!
You are a genious!!!

Why doesn't someone invent a Rear bumper 'BRA' to lift and support the sagging bumper and counteract the effects of aging and gravity!?


(And please don't say: 'DEPENDS'!...:P)

[justbob]

:lol::rofl::laugh:

[Raudermaster]

Is it me? Or did this thread turn into another shoutbox? lol

[Joe Walsh]

Just trying to end it on a happy note.

[Vortech347]

I just wish the Tech threads had 1/2 the intrest these BS drama threads do.

[TooManyFords]

I just wish the Tech threads had 1/2 the intrest these BS drama threads do.

All the "approved" mods are already documented with the Search feature. Besides, there are only 8 of them:

1. Trilogy Supercharger
2. Lidio tune
3. PI Stallion converter
4. 4.10 Gears
5. Metco control arms, watts link and drive shaft loop
6. Indash stereo and speaker upgrade
7. Wheels widened at Weldcraft
8. Dead pedal from BigCars4Ever (member here)

Anything else and you get your ass handed to you and told where the door is.

Trust me, when you go out on a limb with something new, even paint, you are a black sheep in the community.

What's the word I'm looking for? Lemmings? Yeah, that works.

Ok, that was over dramatized, but you get the idea. The problem with our car and our community is that they didn't make enough of the cars over the years. As a result, the aftermarket didn't see fit to offer up cool upgrades. Everything we have is because someone in the group went out on a limb to get them. Hell, there were fights about several of the above mention mods as it was.

You want to mod your car? head over to Crownvic.net where they will welcome every redneck mod you can come up with. And I say that with all the best intentions!

(bad morning, so you get how I *really* feel today...)

[rayjay]

You forgot sway bars.

[duhtroll]

No, he didn't...

(just a guess from a previous conversation, I don't speak for him)


You forgot sway bars.

[Haggis]

What's the word I'm looking for? Lemmings? Yeah, that works.

^^^:laugh:^^^

Thanks John.

[gmtech]

All the "approved" mods are already documented with the Search feature. Besides, there are only 8 of them:

1. Trilogy Supercharger
2. Lidio tune
3. PI Stallion converter
4. 4.10 Gears
5. Metco control arms, watts link and drive shaft loop
6. Indash stereo and speaker upgrade
7. Wheels widened at Weldcraft
8. Dead pedal from BigCars4Ever (member here)

Anything else and you get your ass handed to you and told where the door is.

Trust me, when you go out on a limb with something new, even paint, you are a black sheep in the community.

What's the word I'm looking for? Lemmings? Yeah, that works.

Ok, that was over dramatized, but you get the idea. The problem with our car and our community is that they didn't make enough of the cars over the years. As a result, the aftermarket didn't see fit to offer up cool upgrades. Everything we have is because someone in the group went out on a limb to get them. Hell, there were fights about several of the above mention mods as it was.

You want to mod your car? head over to Crownvic.net where they will welcome every redneck mod you can come up with. And I say that with all the best intentions!



That is a good way of putting it:bows:

[Darrin]

All the "approved" mods are already documented with the Search feature. Besides, there are only 8 of them:

1. Trilogy Supercharger
2. Lidio tune
3. PI Stallion converter
4. 4.10 Gears
5. Metco control arms, watts link and drive shaft loop
6. Indash stereo and speaker upgrade
7. Wheels widened at Weldcraft
8. Dead pedal from BigCars4Ever (member here)

Anything else and you get your ass handed to you and told where the door is.

Trust me, when you go out on a limb with something new, even paint, you are a black sheep in the community.

What's the word I'm looking for? Lemmings? Yeah, that works.

Ok, that was over dramatized, but you get the idea. The problem with our car and our community is that they didn't make enough of the cars over the years. As a result, the aftermarket didn't see fit to offer up cool upgrades. Everything we have is because someone in the group went out on a limb to get them. Hell, there were fights about several of the above mention mods as it was.

You want to mod your car? head over to Crownvic.net where they will welcome every redneck mod you can come up with. And I say that with all the best intentions!

(bad morning, so you get how I *really* feel today...)


Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Pay attention to what the fastest of the cars, and trucks, of their type are running. For a torque converter, it aint PI. :p

I think I can say that now that I am not bashing another supporting vendors product, correct?

I am trying to get another vendor to 'mature' their torque converter product a little more before I start offering it on a wider scale. So far he is beating the pants off the competition, but there have been some minor issues that I think need to be ironed out before they are good enough for me to stand behind them as the 'best'.

Darrin

[FordNut]

If you're referring to the Circle D converters, Dennis sold a few of those, got nothing but complaints and had to swap them out for PI converters.

My Circle D was no good, I went back to a PI.

And service/rebuild turnaround time is much better with PI, you can send them a converter on Monday, have it back on Friday. That way you can pull a tranny one weekend and re-install the following weekend. Circle D couldn't come anywhere near that quick turnaround.

But maybe you've found another supplier and I'm off base, if so I stand corrected...

[O's Fan Rich]

Everything we have is because someone in the group went out on a limb to get them. Hell, there were fights about several of the above mention mods as it was.




Yes, like Todd Fisher (TAF) did! Excellent point John.

[merc]

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Pay attention to what the fastest of the cars, and trucks, of their type are running. For a torque converter, it aint PI. :p

I think I can say that now that I am not bashing another supporting vendors product, correct?

I am trying to get another vendor to 'mature' their torque converter product a little more before I start offering it on a wider scale. So far he is beating the pants off the competition, but there have been some minor issues that I think need to be ironed out before they are good enough for me to stand behind them as the 'best'.

Darrin

I can think of a three fast Marauders that are not running PI converters. :beer: There might be more

1 Shermanator 03 Trilogy M112 S/C + Nitrous 470.0 1.453 6.537@104.03 10.301@130.82 Details
2 MarauderTJA 04 MM Procharger #2 S/C + Nitrous 772.0 1.625 6.755@108.79 10.408@135.48 Details

http://www.bc-automotive.com/assets/images/convertera.jpg

John I know your day is coming soon. Just don't make a nine second pass on your first run please.:o

[TooManyFords]

Yes, like Todd Fisher (TAF) did! Excellent point John.

Too bad Todd had to be such a big cry baby about the whole thing. His loss.

[O's Fan Rich]

Too bad Todd had to be such a big cry baby about the whole thing. His loss.

Todd did more for modifying the the Marauder than a pile of the , I want to use TAF's term here, "nut swingers" ever will.... talk about lemmings.
Cry baby.... ok... now keep that in mind as you re-read your own post above.
It's a two way street, John...... be fair, you've done your share of whining and playing the whipping boy too.

[TooManyFords]

Todd did more for modifying the the Marauder than a pile of the , I want to use TAF's term here, "nut swingers" ever will.... talk about lemmings.
Cry baby.... ok... now keep that in mind as you re-read your own post above.
It's a two way street, John...... be fair, you've done your share of whining and playing the whipping boy too.

Todd didn't do *anything* except stand on the sholders of those who actually did do great things for the Marauder. Marty wanted all the mods done to his car and Todd acted as a middleman. People wanted cool exhaust systems and Todd owned the shop where the Master did the work. (where is that shop now? Oh yeah, he had to close it because he screwed the guy over who actually knew how to weld...)

Yep, and the difference between Todd and myself is that when I'm wrong I will admit it and move on.

[Vortech347]

TooManyFords: hahaha that list was so true its not even funny. You make a very valid point.

[O's Fan Rich]

That's not how I heard it all went down John.... by more than one source.
What you just said is what 90% of auto shops do, use customer money to do things for the customer. You tell the guy "I want X" The guy says "I want $", you pay they play.
Even architects make money that way.
A lot of work gets accomplished by middlemen.... even you did not design and build each and every part on your car. Someone else did that and you benefited from their work.
You dislike of Todd blinds you, I understand your position, don't get me wrong, but he's not the 100% evil villain many paint him to be.

To add on more thing, your post above shows that you have not gotten over it. If you keep bringing the injury up, you have not gotten past anything.
I know we can discuss this better in person sometime John. It might help us both get over things. I hope you know I got nothing personal against you.

[TooManyFords]

I have absolutely gotten over it. I still post on both sites and am not afraid to call a spade a spade (whatever the hell that means!).

You're right, we're still good friends and I'd like to think we always will be. But just be careful where you get all your good information on the other site. There are a LOT of, what I like to call, "leg humpers" over there and will continue to share only one side of the story.

But there again is where Todd and I differ. I respect everyone's opinion, even on pinion angles, and will respectfully agree to disagree as needed.

Cheers!

[TooManyFords]

even you did not design and build each and every part on your car. Someone else did that and you benefited from their work.
And this is just a friendly FYI, but I did either design or build everything on my car. I have never had a middleman, and that's why I can stand on my soapbox.
:D

[TooManyFords]

Wait! We're threadjacking the DR is no more thread!

We should get back on topic!

[O's Fan Rich]

And this is just a friendly FYI, but I did either design or build everything on my car. I have never had a middleman, and that's why I can stand on my soapbox.
:D
Nah... someone else designed the Roots Sc, the engine, the pumps, the injectors... etc...... see my point?

Just like everyone hates salesmen... buy NOTHING gets done without a sales person being involved.

[TooManyFords]

Ok, I *HATE* salesmen! You've outted me! All those bastards want to do is sell, sell, sell! And I buy, buy, buy! I hates them!



LOL!

[Zack]

ToomanyFords is Spot on, Rich Long is not spot on.

Sorry Rich, we are still friends right?

[Darrin]

Brian,

Oh yeah, absolutely. If you want an off the shelf, one size fits all torque converter that you can get tomorrow, then PI is your source.

And you all should talk to the vendors out there that offered PI in their earlier days about issues. EVERYONE has issues. It's just not that everyone has people that go out of their way to point them out.

But my issue with PI is that they just stopped once they met the point of mediocrity.

If that's what you what I guess. Quick delivery on a mediocre product that could be great except for the fact that the manufacturer just doesn't care enough to go any further with it because they found the bare minimum that it takes. Ok...

And Brian, you had a converter that was built by PI that had absolutely nothing done to it other than be relined by Chris with a clutch material other than paper. All that does is make the converter clutch hold lockup and I don't think your issues had anything to do with that.

If you want to bash, at least be accurate in your bashing.

I never heard about Dennis having such problems so I just asked him. He said that the only one that had a problem was you. He directly told me he hasn't had the problems you say he has.

Darrin

[merc]

am not afraid to call a spade a spade (whatever the hell that means!).


The phrase predates the use of the word "spade" as an ethnic slur, which was not recorded in usage until 1928; however, in contemporary U.S. society, the idiom is often avoided due to potential confusion with the modern racial slur.

Why could you have said "I call them like I see them".:argue:

http://www.nolandgrab.org/images/RaceCard.jpg

[O's Fan Rich]

ToomanyFords is Spot on, Rich Long is not spot on.

Sorry Rich, we are still friends right?

I'm ALWAYS spot on! Just ask me.... :D
I'm just not a member of the Hate TAF club, never was, if that's you're reference, Zack. Himand I have reached a level of understanding. It comes from the fact that I'm a dick sometimes and realize that if I want people to judge me after they get to know me, I need to do the same for others.... even you Zack...

Yes, we're ok..... I don't hate nobody... and I only have 2 on my ignore list.... I want to see how those newbs pan out....

[TooManyFords]

The phrase predates the use of the word "spade" as an ethnic slur, which was not recorded in usage until 1928; however, in contemporary U.S. society, the idiom is often avoided due to potential confusion with the modern racial slur.

Why could you have said "I call them like I see them".:argue:

I apologize if that was taken the wrong way. You're right, it is too close to a racial slur. I calls them like I sees them!

[TooManyFords]

I'm just not a member of the Hate TAF club.Nor am I. I think I would have to say I am a member of the "I hate it when Todd falls on his sword" club. When he wrongs others, I point that fact out. Calling it as I see it. Tell me you didn't see it either?

[O's Fan Rich]

Nor am I. I think I would have to say I am a member of the "I hate it when Todd falls on his sword" club. When he wrongs others, I point that fact out. Calling it as I see it. Tell me you didn't see it either?

"Haters" is a hard term... used to freely.
Yes, he has a "special" way of expressing himself... and I have spoken with him about it.... he tells me when I'm wrong too... guess that's what friends do.
The hard part for all of us is not taking things personal, or making them personal. Not easy. We all tend to get our panties in a bunch over truly inconsequential things.
In the big scheme of things, cars are not important....

Thought this thread was about DR leaving? My fault I suppose.... should just keep my fingers off the keyboard sometimes....

[Haggis]

Too bad Todd had to be such a big cry baby about the whole thing. His loss.


Todd didn't do *anything* except stand on the sholders of those who actually did do great things for the Marauder. Marty wanted all the mods done to his car and Todd acted as a middleman. People wanted cool exhaust systems and Todd owned the shop where the Master did the work. (where is that shop now? Oh yeah, he had to close it because he screwed the guy over who actually knew how to weld...)



But just be careful where you get all your good information on the other site. There are a LOT of, what I like to call, "leg humpers" over there and will continue to share only one side of the story.

Stop it John; your making me laugh too hard for a Monday morning. I don't want to pee my pants. ^^^:laugh:^^^

[Bluerauder]

Yes, he has a "special" way of expressing himself... and I have spoken with him about it.... he tells me when I'm wrong too... guess that's what friends do.
The hard part for all of us is not taking things personal, or making them personal. Not easy. We all tend to get our panties in a bunch over truly inconsequential things.....
Yeah, I am real particular about who I let call me a ********ing M*****F*****. Still not sure why? But I must have done something? Right? How you can can continue defend the indefensible is beyond me. You are only a friend as long as it is convenient. And then you'lll be a POS too.

[SC Cheesehead]

Yeah, I am real particular about who I let call me a ********ing M*****F*****. Still not sure why? But I must have done something? Right? How you can can continue defend the indefensible is beyond me. You are only a friend as long as it is convenient. And then you'lll be a POS too.

Charlie, I got the same thing; maybe he doesn't like blue cars??? :dunno:

[O's Fan Rich]

Guy's.... I know, I know. I never said he was right about that.

The indefensible was also defended here for years, but how many spoke up? How many times were problems with the original subject of this thread brought up, defended, then threads shut down?
How often did Todd bring it up, and was vilified for doing so? In fact he became the target for pointing out the major problem of people having real issues with DR! And not just parts being delayed.
But there was so much silence ....... Todd did not look the other way, and he became the enemy.

[Zack]

Ill just remove it all for you Mike!

[FordNut]

Brian,

Oh yeah, absolutely. If you want an off the shelf, one size fits all torque converter that you can get tomorrow, then PI is your source.

And you all should talk to the vendors out there that offered PI in their earlier days about issues. EVERYONE has issues. It's just not that everyone has people that go out of their way to point them out.

But my issue with PI is that they just stopped once they met the point of mediocrity.

If that's what you what I guess. Quick delivery on a mediocre product that could be great except for the fact that the manufacturer just doesn't care enough to go any further with it because they found the bare minimum that it takes. Ok...

And Brian, you had a converter that was built by PI that had absolutely nothing done to it other than be relined by Chris with a clutch material other than paper. All that does is make the converter clutch hold lockup and I don't think your issues had anything to do with that.

If you want to bash, at least be accurate in your bashing.

I never heard about Dennis having such problems so I just asked him. He said that the only one that had a problem was you. He directly told me he hasn't had the problems you say he has.

Darrin

Maybe he doesn't remember the bashing he got over Barry's (Greyghost) car.

And when PI re-rebuilt mine after Circle D, they said the clutches were totally burned up. Less than 1000 miles.

[fastblackmerc]

People wanted cool exhaust systems and Todd owned the shop where the Master did the work. (where is that shop now? Oh yeah, he had to close it because he screwed the guy over who actually knew how to weld...)

That is NOT the truth.

[rayjay]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Zack]

That is NOT the truth.


Can you prove that statement with factual information?

[Darrin]

And when PI re-rebuilt mine after Circle D, they said the clutches were totally burned up. Less than 1000 miles.

Holy crap dude, when I got your transmission it was burnt from one end to the other. And considering how many, and who the parties are that tried to make you happy with your transmission...
Ever think that maybe the real problem wasn't either the transmission or torque converter.

I mean, something was causing stuff to burn up. Nobody is denying that and nobody ever denied that you had huge problems. Maybe it wasn't those parts fault though. Maybe something outside the transmission or converter was causing this. They may have been the victims as well. I know others have said that and it was even suggested last time we had a discussion about this.

I am fine with you being pissed about how your situation went. But I just tend to have huge issues when people start conclusion jumping and blame placing instead of trying to work together to figure out where the real issue is that is causing the problem. I definitely don't think it's the most wise route to be alienating those that might honestly want to try and help and then run around casting dispersions about them every single chance an opportunity is found.

The time to carry on about it is when you find someone that either intentionally did you wrong or where you honestly did your part to work together to resolve a bad situation and they told you to get lost. Not when you decide to change routes and not talk to the people that would have helped you if they had been given the chance.

I mean, Karma is honestly a ***** and people that act like that often end up spending THOUSANDS more than they ever should have just to get back to a starting over point.

To each his own though. Everyone has to choose their own path and live with their choices. Unfortunately some like to try and make others suffer when things don't go their way.

Darrin

[fastblackmerc]

Can you prove that statement with factual information?

Yes I can.

[Zack]

Yes I can.

Post it up!

[Meteorite]

Todd didn't do *anything* except stand on the sholders of those who actually did do great things for the Marauder. Marty wanted all the mods done to his car and Todd acted as a middleman. People wanted cool exhaust systems and Todd owned the shop where the Master did the work. (where is that shop now? Oh yeah, he had to close it because he screwed the guy over who actually knew how to weld...)

Yep, and the difference between Todd and myself is that when I'm wrong I will admit it and move on.

Maybe I am misinterpreting your post, but from your constant harping on Todd, it doesn't seem like you've been able to move on ... at all.

[Darrin]

Or we could just all argue about everything. LOL

Darrin

[Vortech347]

This thread needs more cowbell.

[Bigdogjim]

How about you all get on topic. If you can remember what it was?

[bigmerc2003]

Yes more cowbell less........

[duhtroll]

You need to move on from your constant harping about TMF.

See? :P


Maybe I am misinterpreting your post, but from your constant harping on Todd, it doesn't seem like you've been able to move on ... at all.

[Ms. Denmark]

Yeah, I am real particular about who I let call me a ********ing M*****F*****. Still not sure why? But I must have done something? Right? How you can can continue defend the indefensible is beyond me. You are only a friend as long as it is convenient. And then you'lll be a POS too.Having had the pleasure of the full TAF treatment it is a bit difficult to give a **** about anything else the man has to his credit.;)

[DOOM]

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[RF Overlord]

You've all had your say about Dennis; some of you have said too much for too long.

I think this thread's done, and it's way off topic now as well.