12's N/A

[Bradley G]

I think it can be done;
4:56 & Cobra dif clutches
4000 stall & trans brake, stage launch thingy
tuning by a collaboration Lidio/Darrin
Slicks
Reworked Heads
,cams,valves,springs.
Full exhaust W dumps
Ram air
and every bolt on known to work or not.:P
Come on ole' timers you know it can be and will be:lol:

[FordNut]

Show us. All we're seeing is a lot of blah,blah,blah about it. Somebody spend the money and show us.

[Embassy]

I like the reason for the edit.

[Bradley G]

We've taken collections when someone blows a motor.
We could start a trust !

I posted back in the day we should have a supercharger raffel and now Bob & Bunny have a Trilogy on the top of Black Bird.
How many S/C's have been raffel'ed off since?


Show us. All we're seeing is a lot of blah,blah,blah about it. Somebody spend the money and show us.

[RR|Suki]

It's pretty clear that we've seen the bolt on limits a number of times, the new generation needs to go here: http://www.naztyperformance.com/intakes.html port/polish and short runner should do the trick :beer:

[Zack]

I think it can be done;
4:56 & Cobra dif clutches
4000 stall & trans brake, stage launch thingy
tuning by a collaboration ZACK
Slicks
Reworked Heads
,cams,valves,springs.
Full exhaust W dumps
Ram air
and every bolt on known to work or not.:P
Come on ole' timers you know it can be and will be:lol:

Fixed it for you.

[Bradley G]

Till it blo':eek:s
Fixed it for you.

[Embassy]

It's pretty clear that we've seen the bolt on limits a number of times, the new generation needs to go here: http://www.naztyperformance.com/intakes.html port/polish and short runner should do the trick :beer:

You'll probably get results similar to this:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17584 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17584)

This intake/TB setup is now on MM and it'll be interesting to see what it does for mid-range gains on the dyno.

[Bradley G]

Nice! That's gotta be five horse right there!:P

It's pretty clear that we've seen the bolt on limits a number of times, the new generation needs to go here: http://www.naztyperformance.com/intakes.html port/polish and short runner should do the trick :beer:

[Zack]

Till it blo':eek:s


Tell me when I have ever personally 'blown up' an engine?

I dont ever mess with Air Fuel, because I dont have the experience to do so!

I change driveablilty, thats IT!

[Bradley G]

You tell me
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51603
Tell me when I have ever personally 'blown up' an engine?

I dont ever mess with Air Fuel, because I dont have the experience to do so!

I change driveablilty, thats IT!

[RR|Suki]

You'll probably get results similar to this:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17584 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17584)

This intake/TB setup is now on MM and it'll be interesting to see what it does for mid-range gains on the dyno.

true the porting has been done, but what about the runner work?

[Blackened300a]

I think it can be done;
4:56 & Cobra dif clutches
4000 stall & trans brake, stage launch thingy
tuning by a collaboration Lidio/Darrin
Slicks
Reworked Heads
,cams,valves,springs.
Full exhaust W dumps
Ram air
and every bolt on known to work or not.:P
Come on ole' timers you know it can be and will be:lol:

We forget Barry went 13.2 in 80 degree temps with less mods? If he was in the right air he would have pulled this off years ago.

Just keep motovating us further.

[RR|Suki]

yeah cuz N/A cars gain 30hp in cool air :rolleyes:

[bigmerc2003]

You tell me
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51603

And if you read that post you would have seen Zack was and is chasing a fuel issue unrelated to a tune.

[Zack]

You tell me
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51603

So by me having a lean condition due to a bad component in the fuel tank means I blew my car up?

The car still runs and drives, thank you.

I will have the motor out and repaired faster that your Trilogy can make it down the Quarter Mile. :flamer:

[Blackened300a]

yeah cuz N/A cars gain 30hp in cool air :rolleyes:

I wouldnt say that but I was running consistant 14.0's in 75 degree weather and then pulled consistant 13.7's in 45 degree temps with the one 13.6 run when the car completely cooled off due to a accident on the track.

[RR|Suki]

I wouldnt say that but I was running consistant 14.0's in 75 degree weather and then pulled consistant 13.7's in 45 degree temps with the one 13.6 run when the car completely cooled off due to a accident on the track.

no change in any equipment, and with the same 60' times you dropped to 13.7 from 14.0?

oh also did your mph change?

[Blackened300a]

no change in any equipment, and with the same 60' times you dropped to 13.7 from 14.0?

No change in equipment other then I installed Granatelli coil connectors a few months prior. I went from 2.0-2.1 to 1.8-1.9 on the 60'.
During MVV, I went 14.3 in soupy 98-102 degree weather. I really feel the air makes that much of a difference.

[RR|Suki]

No change in equipment other then I installed Granatelli coil connectors a few months prior. I went from 2.0-2.1 to 1.8-1.9 on the 60'.
During MVV, I went 14.3 in soupy 98-102 degree weather. I really feel the air makes that much of a difference.

bet you if you run a 1.8 60' in 80degree temps and a 1.8 60' in 45degree temps you'd only maybe see a .1 difference N/A :D

[Blackened300a]

We shall see.

[Paul T. Casey]

We've taken collections when someone blows a motor.
We could start a trust !

I posted back in the day we should have a supercharger raffel and now Bob & Bunny have a Trilogy on the top of Black Bird.
How many S/C's have been raffel'ed off since?

And what better beneficiary of said trust than me? I know how to do it (12's n/a), but if I spent that much money my wife would have my hide.

[sd8683]

Whatever!!!!!!

[ImpalaSlayer]

We forget Barry went 13.2 in 80 degree temps with less mods? If he was in the right air he would have pulled this off years ago.

Just keep motovating us further.

a men brotha! hahaha i cant wait

[ctrlraven]

So Bradley G, what's the point of this thread?

[Joe Walsh]

OK!

I'm officially lost!....:mad:

How many of these 12 sec N/A threads are there?
Can we combine all 4 or 5 now???

[Bradley G]

It has sparked two pages of discussion in less than two hours.
If Barry got to 13.2 in warm weather on 4:10's , with more gear and better track conditions it most certainly seems probable.
What do you think you could do different to get to this goal?


So Bradley G, what's the point of this thread?

[O's Fan Rich]

12's SOON!!!!
Weather breaking...... soon to get real!!!!
AWESOME!!!!

[Zack]

12's SOON!!!!
Weather breaking...... soon to get real!!!!
AWESOME!!!!

Thanks for the Atari Font.

[Joe Walsh]

It has sparked two pages of discussion in less than two hours.
If Barry got to 13.2 in warm weather on 4:10's , with more gear and better track conditions it most certainly seems probable.
What do you think you could do different to get to this goal?

He did it on bald Pirelli's...so getting it to hook better and cooler weather would have done it.

NOW!
Let's combine the multiple 12 sec N/A threads BEFORE I start to use the "Report Post" button!!

[bigmerc2003]

It has sparked two pages of discussion in less than two hours.
If Barry got to 13.2 in warm weather on 4:10's , with more gear and better track conditions it most certainly seems probable.
What do you think you could do different to get to this goal?

But there is a point where too much gear will cost you on the top of the track. the key is to get the right gear and rpms and I personally do not think that a stock motor will hold up to the rpms that would be needed.

[Bradley G]

Me neither, at least not for long.
But there is a point where too much gear will cost you on the top of the track. the key is to get the right gear and rpms and I personally do not think that a stock motor will hold up to the rpms that would be needed.

[Bradley G]

"You Got Buttons?"!!!:D
He did it on bald Pirelli's...so getting it to hook better and cooler weather would have done it.

NOW!
Let's combine the multiple 12 sec N/A threads BEFORE I start to use the "Report Post" button!!

[RR|Suki]

I'm still interested in what the MPH numbers did from 80 to 45degrees because if you run a 14.0@98.5mph when it's hot out with a 2.0 60' then when it's cool out run a 13.7@99.5mph and a 1.8 60' that's not the cool weather, it's the 60ft, you've gained a little power sure but the interesting point lies in the MPH... you aren't gonna go too much faster with that kind of MPH... even with more gear, it is possible to have too much gear and not enough power to use it.

So then with all this "Barry went 13.2 and it was 80degrees out" good info... but what was the 60' what was the MPH? if he went 1.7 60' and 101mph there was nothing left in it and colder temps wouldn't have done too much, especially if in cold temps his mph was similar. Now if in cold temps the car would mph 103 or so, then you could say that the temp would have helped.

[bigmerc2003]

With a forged setup, the correct cams, full 2 1/2 or 3" exhaust with no restrictions, a hell of a trans tune, and the right rear gear I think it could be done, you would need mid and high range to torque, like 3-7000k rpms to keep the car pulling to the traps and I dont know if even a forged assembly would hold. the biggest area to over come that I see is the last of power at the top end due to weight, wind resistance, and top end torque.

[Bradley G]

Also Altitude and humidity will play a role.
I think he was trapping @ 102-103
I'm still interested in what the MPH numbers did from 80 to 45degrees because if you run a 14.0@98.5mph when it's hot out with a 2.0 60' then when it's cool out run a 13.7@99.5mph and a 1.8 60' that's not the cool weather, it's the 60ft, you've gained a little power sure but the interesting point lies in the MPH... you aren't gonna go too much faster with that kind of MPH... even with more gear, it is possible to have too much gear and not enough power to use it.

So then with all this "Barry went 13.2 and it was 80degrees out" good info... but what was the 60' what was the MPH? if he went 1.7 60' and 101mph there was nothing left in it and colder temps wouldn't have done too much, especially if in cold temps his mph was similar. Now if in cold temps the car would mph 103 or so, then you could say that the temp would have helped.

[RR|Suki]

Also Altitude and humidity will play a role.
I think he was trapping @ 102-103

that's all I wanted to know, becasue 13.2 @ 100 is a lot different than 13.2@103

[Joe Walsh]

that's all I wanted to know, because 13.2 @ 100 is a lot different than 13.2@103

Absolutely!

A 13.2 @ 100 is a hot 60 foot time and you may be maxxed out on gear.
A 13.2 @ 103 means you have the HP to do a 12 second run.

[RR|Suki]

Absolutely!

A 13.2 @ 100 is a hot 60 foot time and you may be maxxed out on gear.
A 13.2 @ 103 means you have the HP to do a 12 second run.

fo sho :burnout:

[merc]

To all you 12 second N/A watanabees. Stop using your calculators and get on the track. Temperatures will be ripe in the next 30 days and will offer a good window of opportunity. Who is going to be the first. Start a poll and make it:censor:interesting.

[Zack]

The stock internals can be spun to 7500rpm's all day long.

The only reason no one does is because the cams and intake run out of steam long before that.

[Joe Walsh]

The stock internals can be spun to 7500rpm's all day long.

OK....YOU try it first....:P

[merc]

The stock internals can be spun to 7500rpm's all day long.

The only reason no one does is because the cams and intake run out of steam long before that.

Along with our transmissions according to Darrin.

[Zack]

OK....YOU try it first....:P

Back in 03, I used to shift my car at 7000 rpm's with my Vortech.

The car kept making power at that rpm, so why the hell not!

Never blew up :beer:

[merc]

Back in 03, I used to shift my car at 7000 rpm's with my Vortech.

The car kept making power at that rpm, so why the hell not!

Never blew up :beer:

Stevie Wonder has a drivers license and can drive a car, does that make it a good idea? :lol: I don't feel very comfortable at 7,000 rpms and above. The odds of bad things happening increase dramatically. Going for the report post button.http://www.excessivemotorsport.net/vb/images/smilies/hurry.gif

[Blackened300a]

To all you 12 second N/A watanabees. Stop using your calculators and get on the track. Temperatures will be ripe in the next 30 days and will offer a good window of opportunity. Who is going to be the first. Start a poll and make it:censor:interesting.

I need almost 3K and a tuner. So my run will most likely be made at the end of year.

When I get home Ill scan my time slips from the different weather runs.

[bigmerc2003]

Back in 03, I used to shift my car at 7000 rpm's with my Vortech.

The car kept making power at that rpm, so why the hell not!

Never blew up :beer:

OK, not me! I will stay below 6k. I dont have a girdle and I like to keep my internal engine parts inside the block.

What intake would feed the higher rpms? I know you have said the gt cams are the cams to get.

[RR|Suki]

OK, not me! I will stay below 6k. I dont have a girdle and I like to keep my internal engine parts inside the block.

What intake would feed the higher rpms? I know you have said the gt cams are the cams to get.

our motor doesn't need a girdle for that kind for RPM...

[bigmerc2003]

our motor doesn't need a girdle for that kind for RPM...
So I will stay safe, just the way I like it:beer:

I spent too friggin much money on the car, I dont want to drop another 5-10k on a motor. I know my limits, cash and reality wise. I would love to get into this race and mod the hell out of my car and be the first in the 12's, but I dont have the coin and I dont have it in me to risk the kind of damage that could come with it.

[FordNut]

OK!

I'm officially lost!....:mad:

How many of these 12 sec N/A threads are there?
Can we combine all 4 or 5 now???

I think we should all create our own 12 sec n/a thread and link posts between them.

[O's Fan Rich]

I think we should all create our own 12 sec n/a thread and link posts between them.

Oh.... that is SOOOOOOO Tempting!

[Paul T. Casey]

I think we should all create our own 12 sec n/a thread and link posts between them.

I still like the "trust money" idea, especially if it gets given to me.

[ctrlraven]

Hey Bradley don't get mad when a NA gets in the 12's before you do. :P


2004 Black Trilogy#93P 13.10 @ 100+ & 1.80 60 :rolleyes:

[justbob]

His car has more behind it. His and mine are almost identical, except he has 4:10's and a different tune. With my drag radials and a 25+MPH headwind he ran that 13.1, With 55* temps, DR's, and stock gear my car ran 12.9 at 107. He will be in the 12's in a couple months even if i have to pull him with mine and a chain!:lol:

[LOWBUCKMM]

Hey Bradley don't get mad when a NA gets in the 12's before you do. :P

:rolleyes:


i have driven his car im pretty sure it should be in the 12s. my car was 2 tenths slower that day he ran 13.1. so im sure he will be in the 12s next time he runs. brandon

[Bradley G]

I KNOW IF THAT HAPPENS SOMEONE GOT THE CHECKBOOK OUT AN CUT A BIG ONE.
Hey Bradley don't get mad when a NA gets in the 12's before you do. :P

:rolleyes:


His car has more behind it. His and mine are almost identical, except he has 4:10's and a different tune. With my drag radials and a 25+MPH headwind he ran that 13.1, With 55* temps, DR's, and stock gear my car ran 12.9 at 107. He will be in the 12's in a couple months even if i have to pull him with mine and a chain!:lol:
YOUR JINX'N ME


i have driven his car im pretty sure it should be in the 12s. my car was 2 tenths slower that day he ran 13.1. so im sure he will be in the 12s next time he runs. brandon
yOU tOO lol!!!

[justbob]

No Jinx here Buddy!! I wish you the best.

[Bradley G]

I can't wait!
no jinx here buddy!! I wish you the best.

[LightningVic]

I have seen several combinations on here that look like they are ready to go 12s N/A but they are just missing a couple of pieces. I saw one guy on here ran a 13.3 in one of these 12s threads, and he had stock manifolds, and 3.55 gears. longtubes and 4.10s with a retune would certainly push him through. a few guys look like they could make it through with those NAZ manifolds. It looks like these guys arent going to have to break the bank too much worse than they already have, if they just finish getting what they need they are close.

There is no doubt in my mind that a FULL BOLT ON marauder that is still streetable can run high 12s on the motor. I ran mid 13s with an 02, stock bottom end 2 valve in an LX sport, with patriot heads, comp cam 270Hs, stock manifolds, front 2 cats, 2.5 inch exhaust from the front cats to the rears, with a dynotech driveshaft, 4.10 gears, and a mailorder chip that wasnt quite right. If the LX sport will do that missing all those boltons, a marauder certainly could run high 12s.

[DANTHEVICMAN]

I recently just ran a 13.54@99.99MPH and that was with full interior and a half a tank of gas, car was weighing in at 4,000lbs with me in it. I would say that this leaves a very good chance for you guys with the 4 valve to break a 12 sec NA run. Best of wishes i want to see someone do it.

[Bradley G]

This thread was not intended to compete with the other 12na threads.
I was looking for what you have to offer as recipe to achive this goal.
All you Jags that don't like it,.........:neener:

[Blackened300a]

This thread was not intended to compete with the other 12na threads.
I was looking for what you have to offer as recipe to achive this goal.
All you Jags that don't like it,.........:neener:

If I could get some cash together for the header and full exhaust then find a tuner, I think Ill pull this off. That new intake by naz may be the push needed to make the 12s a consistant feat instead of a single lucky run.
Also smaller rear tires, 4.30 gears and a strong race gas tune will make this even more possible.

Im stowing money away and hoping to get this all done before the end of the year.