JLT vs. K & N CAI [Archive] - MercuryMarauder.net Forums

Rocket Man

03-10-2009, 07:05 PM

There have probably been posts about this before, but I was wondering what the prevailing opinions were about cold air intakes, specifically comparing the JLT system with the K & N product.

Thanks, guys

Rocket Man
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PantherP71

03-10-2009, 07:33 PM

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50519&highlight=JLT+K%26N

SC Cheesehead

03-10-2009, 07:40 PM

PHP has one too.

http://www.reinhartperformance.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=12345&Product_Code=MM-PHPCAK&Category_Code=9

1stMerc

03-10-2009, 07:43 PM

Either one you'll be happy.

DOOM

03-10-2009, 07:58 PM

I think the majority here use K&N thats what i use.

PantherP71

03-10-2009, 07:59 PM

I use K&N.

a_d_a_m

03-10-2009, 08:10 PM

I thought the majority used JLT...

That's probably what I'll buy when I get around to it.

Jolly Roger

03-10-2009, 08:23 PM

sd8683

03-10-2009, 08:38 PM

K&n ftw!!!

freakstatus

03-10-2009, 10:08 PM

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc114/freakstatus/My%20Marauder%20pics/102_0386.jpg

m1dn1temarauder

03-10-2009, 10:39 PM

K&n ftw!!!

:stupid: K&N all the way!!!

sd8683

03-10-2009, 10:49 PM

:stupid: K&N all the way!!!

I'm not sure I'm all that stupid but nonetheless thanks for agreeing with me!

m1dn1temarauder

03-11-2009, 01:45 AM

LoL...I think you are the first person to ever say something about that smilie...You know it's not in the literal sense

Krytin

03-11-2009, 02:56 AM

JLT has been working for me.
I don't think there is much difference in pertormance as there is cost and looks.
Pick the one that looks/costs right to you!

Paul T. Casey

03-11-2009, 04:35 AM

JLT has been working for me.
I don't think there is much difference in pertormance as there is cost and looks.
Pick the one that looks/costs right to you!

Something about being named Paul just makes one intellegent.

m1dn1temarauder

03-11-2009, 04:50 AM

Something about being named Paul just makes one intellegent.

:grad: Intelligent.....sorry I had to correct you

Krytin

03-11-2009, 07:50 AM

Something about being named Paul just makes one intellegent.

Yes, quite right! :cool4:
LOL

rayjay

03-11-2009, 08:29 AM

It comes down to cost. I have a PHP/JLT hybrid. The K&N was not available when I bought mine.

Dj1

03-11-2009, 08:31 AM

K & N on everything i drive :2thumbs:

4rgone

03-12-2009, 01:20 AM

As a person who has asked the question before. It seems that they are about the same. I have decided to buy the JLT intake, that maybe only be because they are a vendor and I can get it from them in blue. Most people have the K&N, but seems to be the same... I don't really know anything though, just serviving off the kindness of the other members :bows:

babbage

03-20-2009, 02:00 PM

JLT = 10-14 HP Gain (according to JLT)
K&N = 17HP Gain (according to K&N)

I'm leaning towards K&N as the pipe has a smooth run out from the roughly 3" MAF adapter to the twin intake setup.

JLT has a "HUGE 4 inch" pipe but it goes in and out all over which makes it much more turbulent than the K&N.

This was my initial 10 minute thought process. The quality of the K&N seems better with the tight silicone seals etc too.

I'm getting the K&N.

2003 Merc'em

03-20-2009, 02:17 PM

Has anyone purchased the K&N cleaning kit?

babbage

03-20-2009, 02:21 PM

Just bought the K&N kit off of eBay thanks for the link.

The K&N Kit (57-2563) is D I S C O N T I N U E D!! so hurry up and buy one before they are GONE.

(see how many times I hit the spacebar?)

Egon Spengler

03-20-2009, 03:00 PM

Has anyone had both a K&N and a JLT? Everyone talks about how they love their CAI, but is it just because that is the one they went with? Has anyone really compared the two?

K&N here!

CROWNMARAUDER

03-20-2009, 03:51 PM

I have the K&N. You will be happy with either one you buy. I like the looks of the K&N better myself. Just wait till you hear the sound the first time you punch it!

SC Cheesehead

03-20-2009, 05:04 PM

It comes down to cost. I have a PHP/JLT hybrid. The K&N was not available when I bought mine.

I have the PHP also, and like the looks.

Glenn

03-20-2009, 05:33 PM

I owned both - K&N is a winner in the looks department.

Glenn Ford http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/images/smilies/up.gif

babbage

03-20-2009, 05:51 PM

I have the PHP also, and like the looks.

I see Reinhart sells these. That is a very nice heat shield Cheesehead.

Looks great and functional too. Where did you get it? How much did you pay if you don't mind me asking.

I just paid $258 for K&N including shipping. (no tax) :beer:

Egon Spengler

03-20-2009, 05:56 PM

Thanks... I kind of agree from pics I have seen... plus I hear JLT's have been known to rub on the hood....

I owned both - K&N is a winner in the looks department.

Glenn Ford http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/images/smilies/up.gif

SC Cheesehead

03-20-2009, 07:04 PM

I see Reinhart sells these. That is a very nice heat shield Cheesehead.

Looks great and functional too. Where did you get it? How much did you pay if you don't mind me asking.

I just paid $258 for K&N including shipping. (no tax) :beer:
Thanks.

I bought mine used from a member here on the .Net a couple of years back. The decal on the heat shield came from a guy on e-Bay.

Don't recall the exact price, but I know it was less than $200.

I like the looks, as well as the sound. Hard to tell what kind of performance improvement I got from the CAI as it was installed the same time as the gears and tune.

Jolly Roger

03-21-2009, 02:40 PM

I was quite parcial to the composite (plastic) intake of the K&N.
Coducts LESS heat for the intake charge.;)

imorb1994

03-22-2009, 01:45 PM

Have a k&n here bought for $150 on ebay.

james1986fox

03-22-2009, 02:10 PM

I have the jlt, love the way it sounds and looks but can't say I seen a big difference in hp or torque I still can't even chirp the tires.

SC Cheesehead

03-22-2009, 04:19 PM

I have the jlt, love the way it sounds and looks but can't say I seen a big difference in hp or torque I still can't even chirp the tires.

Get a tune, that will make a big difference

88LTDCV351

04-14-2009, 12:16 PM

I installed my K&N FIPK this weekend and didn't notice any difference in performance. Did notice that the hood clearance isn't quite the best when I close the hood.

Ms. Denmark

04-14-2009, 03:38 PM

Something about being named Paula just makes one intelligent.
Thanks!!!:D

rayjay

04-15-2009, 06:21 AM

I installed my K&N FIPK this weekend and didn't notice any difference in performance. Did notice that the hood clearance isn't quite the best when I close the hood.

Did you reset the ECU? That will help.

fastblackmerc

04-15-2009, 06:48 AM

I installed my K&N FIPK this weekend and didn't notice any difference in performance. Did notice that the hood clearance isn't quite the best when I close the hood.

Try rotating the elbow down.

Most of the "performance " is SOP.....

Disconnect the battery for 10 or 15 minutes to clear the computer.

It does sound good doesn't it..................

88LTDCV351

04-15-2009, 09:10 AM

I did disconnect the battery. Perhaps I didn't give the computer long enough to recalculate when I went on my test drive. I did drive home that night but didn't really push the car. It does sound somewhat different when accelerating. Its a nice sound.

rayjay

04-16-2009, 06:16 AM

DTRMiguel

04-16-2009, 06:47 AM

I installed my K&N FIPK this weekend and didn't notice any difference in performance. Did notice that the hood clearance isn't quite the best when I close the hood.

Because you went with K&N. I dont like K&N your check engine light may come on and obviously not noticible performance when me and sissysurfer put mine on and i pulled out of his driveway I blipped the throttle and smoked um left rocks flying everywhere. Nice looking intake but JLT is better plus its mod friendly :D

babbage

04-16-2009, 08:10 AM

Because you went with K&N. I dont like K&N your check engine light may come on and obviously not noticible performance when me and sissysurfer put mine on and i pulled out of his driveway I blipped the throttle and smoked um left rocks flying everywhere. Nice looking intake but JLT is better plus its mod friendly :D

Ok that makes NO sense. The CEL comes on because it's running too lean (too much AIR) You need a tune to properly use it. *Or* disnconnect the Neg battery terminal and let the computer re-learn fuel trims etc..

No CEL with JLT = not as much AIR....

JLT design is more turbulent. (in and out all over the place)

JLT = 10-14 HP
K&N = 17 HP

If the hood doesn't close that well with the K&N that's GOOD as you are getting a TIGHT seal (no hot air)

DTRMiguel

04-16-2009, 08:14 AM

babbage

04-16-2009, 08:18 AM

Oh lol i thought it was because of the oiled air filter. I still dont like K&N more than the JLT. To each is own:bows:

K&N and JLT (SB Powerstack filter) both are cotton gauze and both use a light coat of oil on them.

Side note: I heard that the K&N kit is being discontinued. So hurry if you decide to buy one of those.

CBT

04-16-2009, 10:07 AM

K&N and JLT (SB Powerstack filter) both are cotton gauze and both use a light coat of oil on them.

Side note: I heard that the K&N kit is being discontinued. So hurry if you decide to buy one of those.

I searched around a couple weeks ago when someone said K&N was not making them anymore. Cheapest one i found was 258, highest was 314. Screw that noise. 300 bucks for a tube with a filter on the end? Mofo better make hot coffee each morning, sheeeeeeya.

babbage

04-16-2009, 01:23 PM

I searched around a couple weeks ago when someone said K&N was not making them anymore. Cheapest one i found was 258, highest was 314. Screw that noise. 300 bucks for a tube with a filter on the end? Mofo better make hot coffee each morning, sheeeeeeya.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuude! I didn't know they had Internet in prison!

:lol:

I'm guessing you are more into "show" than "go"
$258 for ~ 17HP ain't bad at all.

babbage

04-16-2009, 01:28 PM

Here is one for $254 - Free Shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/K-N-57-2563-FIPK-MERCURY-MARAUDER-V8-4-6L-2003-04_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp 3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem1 20397515711QQitemZ120397515711 QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPa rtsQ5fAccessories

DTRMiguel

04-16-2009, 01:31 PM

Duuuuuuuuuuuuude! I didn't know they had Internet in prison!

:lol:

I'm guessing you are more into "show" than "go"
$258 for ~ 17HP ain't bad at all.

Yeah but the JLT is $108 less :eek: and some say they provide 3 less HP :lol: ive beat cars with the same mods and a JLT several times. But if u are willing to spend $100 for 3hp then go right ahead
JLT better start paying me for this BS im going thru to try and prove to people:censor:

DTRMiguel

04-16-2009, 01:33 PM

I can get you a silver JLT for $110 paint it and save yourself $100

4rgone

04-16-2009, 01:35 PM

Give me a minute and I 'll get you all a picture of my JLT so at least you can get a comparison of the two.

BLACKMARAUDER04

04-16-2009, 01:36 PM

I have a K & N. It has a C.A.R.B. excemption so it is smog legal in California. (decal included with kit)

CBT

04-16-2009, 02:24 PM

Duuuuuuuuuuuuude! I didn't know they had Internet in prison!

:lol:

I'm guessing you are more into "show" than "go"
$258 for ~ 17HP ain't bad at all.

Exactly the opposite. I want "go" and don't care what it looks like. I'm going to make a cold air set up that would make McGuyver say "Damn!"

fastblackmerc

04-16-2009, 02:43 PM

Go with the JLT.... more bang for the buck!

Glockafella

04-16-2009, 02:46 PM

I am ordering the JLT now, big package for a lot less $! and I can pick what color tube I want!

GetMeMyStogie

04-16-2009, 03:25 PM

Ok that makes NO sense. The CEL comes on because it's running too lean (too much AIR) You need a tune to properly use it. *Or* disnconnect the Neg battery terminal and let the computer re-learn fuel trims etc..

No CEL with JLT = not as much AIR....

This sounds reasonable. What I don't get is: if more air flows past the MAF sensor, doesn't it get measured all the same? Shouldn't the computer adjust fuel flow based on the air measurements?

Are there any sensors attached to the stock airbox? Do they need to be transfered to the new CAI?

fastblackmerc

04-16-2009, 03:37 PM

This sounds reasonable. What I don't get is: if more air flows past the MAF sensor, doesn't it get measured all the same? Shouldn't the computer adjust fuel flow based on the air measurements?

Are there any sensors attached to the stock airbox? Do they need to be transfered to the new CAI?

No sensors on the stock airbox. Just disconnect the battery and let the computer relearn.

babbage

04-16-2009, 04:19 PM

This sounds reasonable. What I don't get is: if more air flows past the MAF sensor, doesn't it get measured all the same? Shouldn't the computer adjust fuel flow based on the air measurements?

It should and does get measured the same. Problem is the computer is seeing values outside it's normal 'learned' range. And is hesitant to add more fuel -- then you get a CEL -- read the code and it's almost always something about 'system too lean'

This is why it's important to disconnect the negative terminal for 10-15 minutes which totally drains the computer and all of it's old 'learned' values when you install a CAI kit be it K&N or JLT.

CBT

04-16-2009, 04:39 PM

When Skynet goes live, we're all screwed....

It should and does get measured the same. Problem is the computer is seeing values outside it's normal 'learned' range. And is hesitant to add more fuel -- then you get a CEL -- read the code and it's almost always something about 'system too lean'

This is why it's important to disconnect the negative terminal for 10-15 minutes which totally drains the computer and all of it's old 'learned' values when you install a CAI kit be it K&N or JLT.

slick rick

04-16-2009, 07:53 PM

the jlt looks cheep,thats why i went with the k&n

FormulaMarauder

04-16-2009, 08:26 PM

I have the JLT and had some install problems. Needed some sanding and reshaping to fit. Happend to two other members here as well. I can't believe Tucker (JLT) hasn't chimed in yet.

babbage

04-19-2009, 05:02 PM

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc114/freakstatus/My%20Marauder%20pics/102_0386.jpg

Cut about 3" inches off of your (IAC) hose it should have a nice 45 degree bend to it -- yours is closer to 90 degrees and you can see the hose is crimped at the bend. TRIM THAT! :)

sd8683

04-19-2009, 05:29 PM

Yeah but the JLT is $108 less :eek: and some say they provide 3 less HP :lol: ive beat cars with the same mods and a JLT several times. But if u are willing to spend $100 for 3hp then go right ahead
JLT better start paying me for this BS im going thru to try and prove to people:censor:

Yeah but the JLT is ugly as sin!!! I paid the extra $100 for looks.

offroadkarter

04-19-2009, 06:06 PM

Yeah but the JLT is ugly as sin!!! I paid the extra $100 for looks.

Blue brake calipers make me want to rip my eyes out and ship them to hong kong to be used in the next Chinese food TV dinner

Think about that Mr. Blue brakes! :P

SC Cheesehead

04-19-2009, 06:10 PM

the jlt looks cheep,thats why i went with the k&n

Yeah but the JLT is ugly as sin!!! I paid the extra $100 for looks.

IMO the PHP has both the JLT and K&N beat for looks.

DTRMiguel

04-19-2009, 06:13 PM

Yeah but the JLT is ugly as sin!!! I paid the extra $100 for looks.

I beg to differ. But again to each is own :P

sd8683

04-19-2009, 07:05 PM

Blue brake calipers make me want to rip my eyes out and ship them to hong kong to be used in the next Chinese food TV dinner

Think about that Mr. Blue brakes! :P

Well there ya go Mr used maxi pad colored Marauder! That's the way I feel about DTR marauders! Sorry just my opinion!

CKMustangCobra

04-19-2009, 07:13 PM

Someone do a back to back dyno run with these to prove once and for all who has the best bang to buck ratio!

DTRMiguel

04-19-2009, 07:21 PM

Someone do a back to back dyno run with these to prove once and for all who has the best bang to buck ratio!

Ill see if a local member will do this when UMD car show comes :beer:

CBT

04-19-2009, 07:25 PM

Ill see if a local member will do this when UMD car show comes :beer:
Did you talk to that guy for me?

DTRMiguel

04-19-2009, 08:12 PM

Did you talk to that guy for me?

Indeed but i did forget to give him your number:( but he said whenever you are ready let him know ill send u his number in a text

rayjay

04-20-2009, 06:30 AM

IMO the PHP has both the JLT and K&N beat for looks.
+1. PHP is a quality product.

Dobs

04-21-2009, 04:30 AM

I dont know PHP. PHP stand for?

SC Cheesehead

04-21-2009, 04:34 AM

I dont know PHP. PHP stand for?

Paul's High Performance.

Reinhart was selling them, don't know if any are still available.

rayjay

04-21-2009, 05:54 AM

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15 479&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240313641 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15 479&d=1240313641) I have to get that sticker for mine. :2thumbs:

SC Cheesehead

04-21-2009, 06:04 PM

VictorCrown

05-14-2009, 04:21 PM

I have K&N.
This is the best price that i've seen lately.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/K-N-FIPK-AIR-INTAKE-03-04-MERCURY-MARAUDER-4-6-V8_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp 3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ18032 4491467QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTru ckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Hi Roger,

I've had a few disappointments with eBay so I'd rather stick with an official vendor. If you're interested here's a pretty good price for a K&N 57-2563 from http://www.performancepeddler.com but only if you use the special low-ball offer discount code bestoffer4em which makes it a good bit lower including free shipping. :cool: $235.18

Vic

Vortech347

05-15-2009, 08:17 AM

Jlt for the win!!!!!!!

Glockafella

05-15-2009, 02:19 PM

JLT = big performace with less $

imorb1994

05-15-2009, 02:26 PM

JLT = big performace with less $

Unless you can find a K&N for $150:2thumbs:

Glockafella

05-15-2009, 02:31 PM

Unless you can find a K&N for $150:2thumbs:

you dont get a 4 inch megatube with that K&N :lol:

VictorCrown

05-20-2009, 01:42 AM

you dont get a 4 inch megatube with that K&N :lol:
Hi Glockfella,

What does that Megatube do that the regular bent rubber tube of the K&N doesn't? Does its smooth surface accelerate the flow, or is it just for looks?

babbage

05-20-2009, 09:09 AM

Hi Glockfella,

What does that Megatube do that the regular bent rubber tube of the K&N doesn't? Does its smooth surface accelerate the flow, or is it just for looks?

JLT goes in and out all over the place - more turbulent.
K&N has a totally smooth tapered bore with no edges.

Picture both tubes to be HUGE and you were trying to move a herd of cattle (air) through them what would happen?