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Georges93LX
03-23-2009, 06:36 PM
Has anyone read up on this. I likey. :Dhttp://kennebell.net/index.htm
offroadkarter
03-23-2009, 06:58 PM
whats to read up on?
the only person to put a KB on a marauder is zack, he put a 2.2L on his marauder. then he took it off...
Krytin
03-23-2009, 07:02 PM
Efester put one on his Blue long before Zack and it still on!
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13734
See post #14
RR|Suki
03-23-2009, 07:05 PM
Efester put one on his Blue long before Zack and it still on!
whats to read up on?
the only person to put a KB on a marauder is zack, he put a 2.2L on his marauder. then he took it off...
BBK also has one on his, Lidio has done some aswell :rolleyes:
Georges93LX
03-23-2009, 07:07 PM
In this months MM&FF (pgs.118-132)the article shows the 2.8H designed for the 03-04 Cobra with the drivers side intake pushing 643 HP on pump gas. It looks like an easy setup for the Marauder. MSRP $5299.
Spectragod
03-23-2009, 07:08 PM
Looks great, till you price it, then price what Jerry is selling.... a kit designed for a Marauder. I'm just glad to be where I'm at with mine.
RR|Suki
03-23-2009, 07:15 PM
In this months MM&FF (pgs.118-132)the article shows the 2.8H designed for the 03-04 Cobra with the drivers side intake pushing 643 HP on pump gas. It looks like an easy setup for the Marauder. MSRP $5299.
the cobra already has things like the coolant cross over being different, the alt. in a different spot, dedicated blower belt, tensioner etc... all these things do tend to add up fast.
Georges93LX
03-23-2009, 07:22 PM
the cobra already has things like the coolant cross over being different, the alt. in a different spot, dedicated blower belt, tensioner etc... all these things do tend to add up fast.
I think the new price on the Trilogy is about $8000. Cobra front covers and other accessories can be bought cheap. You just need to know where to shop.
Peter
03-23-2009, 07:28 PM
You can get that, however you wouldn’t have the quality and top notch service from Trilogy.
DEFYANT
03-23-2009, 07:39 PM
Trilogy - Where research ends.
teamrope
03-23-2009, 07:44 PM
Trilogy - Where research ends.
Agreed. The Trillogy kit comes with everything you need. I don't remeber it being $8K.
Leadfoot281
03-23-2009, 07:59 PM
You can get that, however you wouldn’t have the quality and top notch service from Trilogy.
Ummm, yeah. :rolleyes: Except I wouldn't ask JB any questions about the kit on a public forum. Remember what happened when that "one guy" asked him a question about the IAT sensor?
JB threw a complete hissy fit for "not asking the question the right way", and then proceeded to insult the member with a 'pro-zack' sale. Apparently JB is pretty sensitive about "how" you ask questions and they should be done ONLY through PM's.
After he was done taunting both the member and folks with mental health issues, he picked up his marbles and ran away.
I'll probably look into this KB kit as well. Let's face it, I don't think I could tolerate the taunting I might recieve if I asked JB a question "the wrong way" and if I wanted anything from DR I probably should have ordered it last October.
Spectragod
03-23-2009, 08:05 PM
I think the new price on the Trilogy is about $8000. Cobra front covers and other accessories can be bought cheap. You just need to know where to shop.
They are??? I just bought a twin screw for much less than that, A LOT less!!! I guess it's all how you talk to people.
Enjoy your Kenne Bell kit, let us know how it works out. While your at it, I'd look for some Chevy wheels for your MM. :flamer:
Georges93LX
03-23-2009, 08:30 PM
Now I see why those Trilogy units come with the Kool-aid logo. Keep drinking.
252life
03-24-2009, 12:00 AM
The Lysholm blower in the Trilogy kit is pretty damn good :)
(The twin screw blower was invented over 60 years ago by Lysholm)
If you want to know more look here: Lysholm Technologies (http://www.opcon.se/index.asp?sPage=1&langID=1&cID=14)
And about Trilogy, both quality of the complete kit and the service is top notch!!
All the questions I have asked both through PM's or in the Trilogy forum have been answered within hours by Jerry.
And also look under "contact us" at kennebell.net and you see that they say "We recognize that our phone lines are busy, especially the tech line"
MMARAUDER
03-24-2009, 12:59 AM
http://mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50438
FordNut
03-24-2009, 07:24 AM
The KB with driver's side inlet won't work because of the windshield wiper motor. The KB kit for Mach1 and '99-'01 Cobra uses a single serpentine belt like the centrifugal blowers. The '03-'04 Cobra conversion kit needs some fabrication/engineering work to relocate the alternator.
In this months MM&FF (pgs.118-132)the article shows the 2.8H designed for the 03-04 Cobra with the drivers side intake pushing 643 HP on pump gas. It looks like an easy setup for the Marauder. MSRP $5299.
You will never see 643hp in a stock Marauder. :flamer: You might be surprised at the cost of putting big Hp to the ground. The MSRP of $5299 sounds attractive, but consider the transmission upgrades, wheel and tire setup, new fuel delivery system, tuning, and a ton of other supporting parts to maintain that level of performance. Honestly, purchase the base trilogy kit, unless you have stock in Bayer Aspirin.
You will never see 643hp in a stock Marauder. :flamer: You might be surprised at the cost of putting big Hp to the ground. The MSRP of $5299 sounds attractive, but consider the transmission upgrades, wheel and tire setup, new fuel delivery system, tuning, and a ton of other supporting parts to maintain that level of performance. Honestly, purchase the base trilogy kit, unless you have stock in Bayer Aspirin.
Merc is right on this. Rest of the drive train upgrades will break the wallet plus you will need to build a new engine to get this kind of power. Getting greedy on power will cost way more than you think! Ask how I know plus a few other guys around here will have the same answers for you.:eek:
O's Fan Rich
03-24-2009, 08:05 AM
Has anyone read up on this. I likey. :Dhttp://kennebell.net/index.htm
By all means, do it and let us know how it goes!
I'm all for options,and people trying new things.
Good to know you know all about the Kool-Aid too!
Ever see a pic of my intake plenum?:D
MMARAUDER
03-24-2009, 08:06 AM
anything can be done. if u want it go do just remember what everyone said its gonna put a huge hole in ur wallet a good built engine alone is gonna run u anywhere from 7 to 11k kb kit over 5k and all the other up grades by the time ur done gettin everything u really need ur probly lookin at around 25k and up but anyway u go goodluck
Joe Walsh
03-24-2009, 08:19 AM
The KB with driver's side inlet won't work because of the windshield wiper motor. The KB kit for Mach1 and '99-'01 Cobra uses a single serpentine belt like the centrifugal blowers. The '03-'04 Cobra conversion kit needs some fabrication/engineering work to relocate the alternator.
Has anyone used a Mach I kit on a Marauder?
The engines are the same...but what about the front accessories and pulleys?
I've never peeked under the hood of a Mach I.
:dunno:
RR|Suki
03-24-2009, 08:21 AM
Has anyone used a Mach I kit on a Marauder?
The engines are the same...but what about the front accessories and pulleys?
I've never peeked under the hood of a Mach I.
:dunno:
It's all the same, the only thing that looks different is the crossover tube... on a side note I also use Mach1 long tubes :)
RR|Suki
03-24-2009, 08:24 AM
You will never see 643hp in a stock Marauder. :flamer: You might be surprised at the cost of putting big Hp to the ground. The MSRP of $5299 sounds attractive, but consider the transmission upgrades, wheel and tire setup, new fuel delivery system, tuning, and a ton of other supporting parts to maintain that level of performance. Honestly, purchase the base trilogy kit, unless you have stock in Bayer Aspirin.
+ 1 million on this one... It is wild to me how people who haven't gone down this road seem to think that you are gonna get away with just the price of the blower head unit... which is what that price is because that's all you change on the cobra...
O's Fan Rich
03-24-2009, 09:48 AM
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131623
Cooling system= DONE!!
Now you'd just need the other stuff.
Hotrauder
03-24-2009, 09:54 AM
Ummm, yeah. :rolleyes: Except I wouldn't ask JB any questions about the kit on a public forum. Remember what happened when that "one guy" asked him a question about the IAT sensor?
JB threw a complete hissy fit for "not asking the question the right way", and then proceeded to insult the member with a 'pro-zack' sale. Apparently JB is pretty sensitive about "how" you ask questions and they should be done ONLY through PM's.
After he was done taunting both the member and folks with mental health issues, he picked up his marbles and ran away.
I'll probably look into this KB kit as well. Let's face it, I don't think I could tolerate the taunting I might recieve if I asked JB a question "the wrong way" and if I wanted anything from DR I probably should have ordered it last October.
Man, I don't have any axe to grind here other than fairness but it is hard to believe that you were here (and I know that you were) by your discription what took place as Zack and Reinhart were allowed to trash Barnes and the Trilogy Kit with a nonsense issue. He did indeed pick up his marbles and did indeed leave as it became very appearent it was open season on Trilogy here. It is noteworthy that Jerry Barnes has never put down any other Super Charger System. Does not ever even talk about Super Chargers, his own included unless asked a direct question. He does not function as a salesman, is friends with everyone with the exception of Zack who attacked him for ulterior motives; and he has never, ever failed to live up to his promises. There is not and never has been a Truth About Barnes web site and never a customer issue that was not resolved immediately, no matter the cost. I and at least 198 trilogy owners and everyone else who knows him considers Jerry a friend no matter what mods they have on their Marauders ....if that is drinking the Kool Aid...it is a great drink. Wake up and smell the coffee. Dennis
O's Fan Rich
03-24-2009, 10:18 AM
Man, I don't have any axe to grind here other than fairness but it is hard to believe that you were here (and I know that you were) by your discription what took place as Zack and Reinhart were allowed to trash Barnes and the Trilogy Kit with a nonsense issue. He did indeed pick up his marbles and did indeed leave as it became very appearent it was open season on Trilogy here. It is noteworthy that Jerry Barnes has never put down any other Super Charger System. Does not ever even talk about Super Chargers, his own included unless asked a direct question. He does not function as a salesman, is friends with everyone with the exception of Zack who attacked him for ulterior motives; and he has never, ever failed to live up to his promises. There is not and never has been a Truth About Barnes web site and never a customer issue that was not resolved immediately, no matter the cost. I and at least 198 trilogy owners and everyone else who knows him consider Jerry a friend no matter what mods they have on their Marauders ....if that is drinking the Kool Aid...it is a great drink. Wake up and smell the coffee. Dennis
Yep...... ........
O's Fan Rich
03-24-2009, 10:20 AM
Now I see why those Trilogy units come with the Kool-aid logo. Keep drinking.
Do they come with the Kool-Aid logo now?
Mine did not, my wife added that for me.
Do I need to ask Jerry for one?
Wait a minute..... in a previous post a new buyer was saying Jerry discontinued the s/c logos.... why would he add the Kool-Aid logo instead?
Besides, that would be a trade mark infringement, right?
I'm gonna have to say he's NOT doing that.
O's Fan Rich
03-24-2009, 10:26 AM
Ummm, yeah. :rolleyes: Except I wouldn't ask JB any questions about the kit on a public forum. Remember what happened when that "one guy" asked him a question about the IAT sensor?
JB threw a complete hissy fit for "not asking the question the right way", and then proceeded to insult the member with a 'pro-zack' sale. Apparently JB is pretty sensitive about "how" you ask questions and they should be done ONLY through PM's.
After he was done taunting both the member and folks with mental health issues, he picked up his marbles and ran away.
I'll probably look into this KB kit as well. Let's face it, I don't think I could tolerate the taunting I might recieve if I asked JB a question "the wrong way" and if I wanted anything from DR I probably should have ordered it last October.
Just add, I do believe that while you have certain facts correct in your post, they are spaced out without important items placed in between.
For whatever reason, you have chosen to omit vital information that would help complete the overall picture of the events mentioned. Leading ultimately to a different light being shown on the topic.
Are those threads still available here, btw?
And to add, Jerry's kits now relocate the IAT sensor, and he offers FREE upgrades to any previous buyer who wishes it.
I just got mine, and will be completing the install this evening.
Oh, and that included having my plate machined very nicely......
duhtroll
03-24-2009, 10:34 AM
Honestly, purchase the base trilogy kit, unless you have stock in Bayer Aspirin.
Actually, my student who is the heiress to the Bayer fortune would appreciate your use of their product. :lol:
Man, I don't have any axe to grind here other than fairness but it is hard to believe that you were here (and I know that you were) by your discription what took place as Zack and Reinhart were allowed to trash Barnes and the Trilogy Kit with a nonsense issue. Dennis
Dennis,
It was not a no-nonsense issue. The IAT relocation is a definite refinement on the kit. Unfortunately, like too many things in the past on both sites, the "communication" was ugy all around.
Back to regular scheduled programming:
Regardless of buying a KB kit, the site is one of the most informative out there. There is a ton of information and documentation on the site. They are the SC kings. You can also see the dyno charts for any combination of their kits. They have done a lot of research on SC, fuel systems, tuning, etc. Should be required reading for anyone thinking about any type of forced induction. If I could have purchased a complete TS kit at the time I was modding mine, I probably would have done that instead of the turbo, but I definitley have no regrets!!!!!
Hotrauder
03-25-2009, 08:45 AM
[quote=juno;737807]Dennis,
It was not a no-nonsense issue. The IAT relocation is a definite refinement on the kit. Unfortunately, like too many things in the past on both sites, the "communication" was ugy all around.
Jay, no argument here for those who wanted to go beyond the stock kit and stock tuning for higher power applications, however; that was not pointed out and the location of the IAT was used out of context purely in an effort by McGrath and Reinhart to discredit a highly successful offering in an effort for their financial gain. Zack himself pointed this out after he to was in turn screwed by his friend Reinhart. I am sure that there are differing memories of the events but I am confident that a review of the posts over time will bear this out. Dennis
has anyone here installed a large KB or Whipple on a built motor on their Marauder?
That would be a hellava ride..
Fordnut has! It went mid 11s on street tires and was smoking the tires. Oh yeah it weighed in over 4900 pounds!:burnout:
RR|Suki
03-25-2009, 09:12 AM
Fordnut has! It went mid 11s on street tires and was smoking the tires. Oh yeah it weighed in over 4900 pounds!:burnout:
what I wanna know is why his car weighs so much :confused:
It was at SSHS and he took nothing out of it. The trunk and the backseat was full!
FordNut
03-25-2009, 09:31 AM
Yep, spare tire, floor jack, tool kit, first aid kit, detailing supplies, a few assorted parts, documents, jackets, luggage, subwoofer. Trunk was pretty much full. And it's a true heavyweight anyway with 2 tranny coolers, oversize radiator, oversize Lightning intercooler, high capacity oil pan, oil cooler (all of these hold additional fluid), then the Whipple 3.4 is a really heavy mother, and a cast iron Boss50 block. Weighed in at 4970.
edit: almost forgot about the 230 lb pilot!
O's Fan Rich
03-25-2009, 09:36 AM
He made some extra cash on the way there and the bodies were in the trunk...... tech "missed" them...
:D
Yep, spare tire, floor jack, tool kit, first aid kit, detailing supplies, a few assorted parts, documents, jackets, luggage, subwoofer. Trunk was pretty much full. And it's a true heavyweight anyway with 2 tranny coolers, oversize radiator, oversize Lightning intercooler, high capacity oil pan, oil cooler (all of these hold additional fluid), then the Whipple 3.4 is a really heavy mother, and a cast iron Boss50 block. Weighed in at 4970.
sounds like an incredible car.
Hotrauder
03-25-2009, 12:45 PM
sounds like an incredible car.
YES!:beer: Dennis
O's Fan Rich
03-26-2009, 05:20 AM
missed seeing Brians car at SSHS8..... but 9 is due this year!
FordNut
03-26-2009, 06:31 AM
missed seeing Brians car at SSHS8..... but 9 is due this year!
It should be ready to make a few more passes too. Only made the one pass at SSHS8 because I was worried about the crippled transmission. Had to be able to drive it home afterward or the wife would have skinned me alive.
Hotrauder
03-26-2009, 06:50 AM
It will be great fun this year with your new tranny, Brian. You wife is not the only one who doesn't want to see your car crippled on a trailer again. See you there. :beer: Dennis
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