Wish me luck>>>>>Third time painting the hood!

[justbob]

The first time the body work wasn't up to par and i went cheap and got that crap ready mixed duplicolor system:( I know i know flame suit on!

The second time i had a friend that is a painter come over scuff her up and shoot it with dupont base coat clear coat, but this time all i had was my little compressor and no air filter:o We gambled and lost. Upon wet sanding and buffing all these little white dots came out ALL OVER IT! Hello moisture!

So i left it be all last summer and winter till today. This time i had a new bigger compressor, A new air filtration unit, my new divilbis gun set, and once again more dupont. Looks great so far, we sanded a lot of imperfections out, resealed it and shot away. Wetsanding and buffing to follow next week.

Back to stock hood now. BOOOO.:(

$60.00 hood
$90.00 sandpaper, fiberglass, tack rags, etc.
$90.00 dupont system-Fail!
$235.00 dupont sealer, color, clear, and activators
$160.00 gun set
$300.00 compressor
$45.00 filtration
$65.00 More dupont clear and activator
$25.00 Plastic (for covering my garage cabinets)
$30.00 Laquer and paint thinner
$????? I KNOW there is something i'm missing!
$1,100!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So much for a two hundred dollar project!!!!!!

So, do you ever start something that you refuse to let go of?

[chapel1]

So Bob now that you know what you know. Do you think you would or could paint my hood???

[MyTMerc]

$60.00 hood
$90.00 sandpaper, fiberglass, tack rags, etc.
$90.00 dupont system-Fail!
$235.00 dupont sealer, color, clear, and activators
$160.00 gun set
$300.00 compressor
$45.00 filtration
$65.00 More dupont clear and activator
$25.00 Plastic (for covering my garage cabinets)
$30.00 Laquer and paint thinner
$????? I KNOW there is something i'm missing!
$1,100!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Getting it right, Priceless!!! Keep at it, your persistence will pay off in the end. Don't forget pics when your done.

[guspech750]

After seeing you drive the opposite way that one afternon. I expect that hood to look as sweet as the rest of the car!!!!!! Good Luck!!

[justbob]

Sure am glad i kept the original hood, looks like rain later! I really don't want the car in the garage for a couple days, it stinks to high h.

Do i hold the current record for hood swaps yet? Its got to be atleast in the twenties by now.......

[PonyUP]

Finally got around to the "do over" huh? It sucks that is going to rain tonight and tomorrow, but it will be worth it once it is ready to be put back on. I'll see you tonight, same bat time, same bat channel
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[justbob]

Yeah, my whining about it was getting old even to me. With my friend and i both being out of work right now we thought it was time to address problems on both of our cars. Looks like i have a date with his camaro trans and cam as payback.

[TAKEDOWN]

Good luck with that hood Bob!

[03Farmmarauder]

One word PPG!!!

[justbob]

I've had great luck with PPG in the past on the body and interior! It's just Dupont is easier to get where i'm living now.

But yes PPG i HIGHLY recommend but Dupont isn't too bad either.

[DOOM]

Good luck bro.

[Bradley G]

I think you found your Niche!
If your anygood , I'll let you paint my junk.
But, It's gotta' turn out better than the hood!:P

[justbob]

Wet sand and buff on monday:banana2:Lookin great so far.

Bottom side redone today. BTW Flat black for the insulation looks like brand new for us poor guys.

[babbage]

Good Job so far. Sounds like you'll be able to paint the rest of the car pretty easily.

On my old P71 I had a quote of $1500 to paint the hood and roof and to replace one front quarter panel.

Side note: In highschool you had only a couple of tools to change your transmission in a few hours and had a date with the 'easy girl' - :) - How did that work out?? :D

[justbob]

Good Job so far. Sounds like you'll be able to paint the rest of the car pretty easily.

On my old P71 I had a quote of $1500 to paint the hood and roof and to replace one front quarter panel.

Side note: In highschool you had only a couple of tools to change your transmission in a few hours and had a date with the 'easy girl' - :) - How did that work out?? :D
I see you've dug up an old post:D I should have taken my time on the tranny and missed the date............After 23 years she hasn't gone back home yet.:shake:

[babbage]

I see you've dug up an old post:D I should have taken my time on the tranny and missed the date............After 23 years she hasn't gone back home yet.:shake:


It wasn't intentional - I was searching for transmission related threads.
Amusing story none the less. I lol'ed at the tools you had available.

Queue the misson impossible theme...

[fairlane347]

The first time the body work wasn't up to par and i went cheap and got that crap ready mixed duplicolor system:( I know i know flame suit on!

The second time i had a friend that is a painter come over scuff her up and shoot it with dupont base coat clear coat, but this time all i had was my little compressor and no air filter:o We gambled and lost. Upon wet sanding and buffing all these little white dots came out ALL OVER IT! Hello moisture!

So i left it be all last summer and winter till today. This time i had a new bigger compressor, A new air filtration unit, my new divilbis gun set, and once again more dupont. Looks great so far, we sanded a lot of imperfections out, resealed it and shot away. Wetsanding and buffing to follow next week.

Back to stock hood now. BOOOO.:(

$60.00 hood
$90.00 sandpaper, fiberglass, tack rags, etc.
$90.00 dupont system-Fail!
$235.00 dupont sealer, color, clear, and activators
$160.00 gun set
$300.00 compressor
$45.00 filtration
$65.00 More dupont clear and activator
$25.00 Plastic (for covering my garage cabinets)
$30.00 Laquer and paint thinner
$????? I KNOW there is something i'm missing!
$1,100!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So much for a two hundred dollar project!!!!!!

So, do you ever start something that you refuse to let go of?

What kind of custom hood design did you do? I am working on my custom hood too. Show a picture of your design.

[BODYMAN]

One word PPG!!!

I have been spraying Dupont for almost 20 yrs I have no problems with it. Justbob had some issues but not with material just other underlying things like he said no filtration I have a seperator and wont use one of my guns on a line with out one you gotta have no moisture. wasnt the paints fault AS JB said there were other problems

[LOWBUCKMM]

What kind of custom hood design did you do? I am working on my custom hood too. Show a picture of your design.

he had a cowl hood scoop from a old camaro that he put on. Looks very sweet but should look better with new paint.

[justbob]

I'll post a picture tomorrow of the finished product. And yes it was an 80 Z28 air induction scoop off a previous car.

[BigCars4Ever]

Don't let anyone tell you to try PPG paint! I had painted a few cars with Dupont and they came out great. Then someone convinced me that PPG was much better paint so I tried it. It was a nightmare. Mabey in the hands of a seasoned painter it's better paint but for the weekend hack stick with Dupont.

[BODYMAN]

Don't let anyone tell you to try PPG paint! I had painted a few cars with Dupont and they came out great. Then someone convinced me that PPG was much better paint so I tried it. It was a nightmare. Mabey in the hands of a seasoned painter it's better paint but for the weekend hack stick with Dupont.

DUPONT is more user friendly PPG is not as forgiving in a back yard scenario. but I have a another painter buddy who swears by PPG? Go DUPONT!!! What clear did you use Bob? That will have a bearing to. 7600???

[justbob]

7776S Snap dry. We weren't sure on the exact day that we were gonna spray and we are still in and out of cold lately. Friday when we sprayed it was a pleasent 70* with no moisture. It dried a little quick on the first pass, so we hosed it on thick for the final. It has quite a build up, but better than not enough. Just more sanding today is all.

Back to which paint is better. I have found that PPG is easier to use when all you have is a $20.00 Menards paint gun, it will actually spray smooth with almost no effort. The dupont does seem to like better equipment however, almost like its a lot thicker of a material. I usually have to wet sand quite a bit more with the Dupont but then again you don't have to be as carefull as you do with PPG. Finished product = same appearance. So i guess it depends on whats more available and what guns you have. Even my Devilbus HVLP starting line set was plenty enough for the Dupont material.

You were right on que about other conditions being my problems. For starters the crap Duplicolor stink to high hell paint!!!!Talk about fogging out the garage!!!! I will try anything once, i am not stuck to any one way, but this is worse than Ace Hardware spray paint!!! Secondly, yes there was a tremendous amout of water that got into the the second time around, once again I knew better, and I gambled, and I lost. Atleast I can say its been on the car for a year now and is still as structurly sound as it was when I finished it!!!!! There I did do something right!

[hot-rauder]

I dont see pics!!! Why dont i see pics!?!?!?!

Where are the pics?!?!?!

[BODYMAN]

Bob I kinda figured you used a fast dry clear and as you stated as long as you hose it on heavy it will look good just flashes so fast if you dont get it wet enough during application it will leave a dry spot in middle of hood(just such a large area). AS for PPG my only chief complaint if Iam in the booth and I have to do a quick repair during base application it is not as friendly as DUPONT atleast my experience.As for problems heck I do it everyday in a controlled enviroment and still run into problems occassionaly. I tip my hat to you for taking this on!!!!!!! Most people would just pay:beer:

[justbob]

I dont see pics!!! Why dont i see pics!?!?!?!

Where are the pics?!?!?!
I don't want to talk about it right now.:mad2:

[ImpalaSlayer]

I don't want to talk about it right now.:mad2:


i feel your pain Bob. im trying to paitn a plane right now and not having fun either! :censor:

[justbob]

A billion tiny white dots UNDER the clear AGAIN!!!!!!!

My friend felt soooooo bad about it, even though it's not his fault. I told him f-it i could care less now, I'M DONE. He wouldn't accept that and he said that he was gonna take it with him to a mutual friends garage where he has been painting for awile now with no complications.

For now i'm done, i've spent, countless hours, and way too much money, that could of went to go fast parts. I wish Jeff (my friend) would let it go too, but now I think his pride has been smashed and will not settle for anything short of a show car finish.

So maybe i'll be surprised in the next couple weeks, maybe not???? I hope he doesn't put too much effort into either, things like this just eat at you. I know.

I won't bother to post about it untill it's on the car, in perfect condition, with pictures or being used as a bicycle ramp (with pictures) for the kiddies.

[BODYMAN]

Iam sure in the end you will get it right Bob, but yes this type of stuff is very frustrating! hang in there:beer:

[03Farmmarauder]

Sounds like solvent pop to me. To heavy of a pass of clear on the last past and the thinner got cought and couldnt get out. Im shocked that you couldnt cut and buff them out! Painting is a very hard thing to achive a perfect result and alot of problems are in the gun set up. I always like to go one step hotter in reducer to give me longer flash times you just have to wait longer between coats of clear but it will allow the clear to flow alot better. I always like to do three coats of clear on a vehicle, one tack coat, a medium coat and another medium coat. Gives me enough clear to cut and buff with out running the risk of burn thru. Good luck to you!!!

[BODYMAN]

I did not want to metion this to Bob but yes could be solvent pop but he does state that they are under the clear? Might be something else having been doing this for 20+ yrs I dont speculate with out seeing it in person. I dont think Bob wants to talk about this anymore so I dont want to metion anything to him and I cant blame him for being frustrated. paint isuues on my own veh can just get me very upset more so than on a cust vehicle;) and yes the solvent trap can be a issue with fast dry








Sounds like solvent pop to me. To heavy of a pass of clear on the last past and the thinner got cought and couldnt get out. Im shocked that you couldnt cut and buff them out! Painting is a very hard thing to achive a perfect result and alot of problems are in the gun set up. I always like to go one step hotter in reducer to give me longer flash times you just have to wait longer between coats of clear but it will allow the clear to flow alot better. I always like to do three coats of clear on a vehicle, one tack coat, a medium coat and another medium coat. Gives me enough clear to cut and buff with out running the risk of burn thru. Good luck to you!!!

[Blackened300a]

I don't want to talk about it right now.:mad2:

So sorry to hear this. I guess paying the first time around would have been the wiser choice.


I tip my hat to you for taking this on!!!!!!! Most people would just pay:beer:

See the fustration and anger? I would have one of those guys that paid. I like to have someone to yell at and blame if it looks like hell. Ill take a stab at anything mechanical but when it comes to painting and bodywork, I leave that to the professionals.

[03Farmmarauder]

I just wanted to give him an idea of what it was. I dont think the problem is under the clear imho but without seeing it i really dont know. Clear can be verry forgiving but what most people dont understand with clear is that you cannot get it to go on completely flat so people try to put it on thick then they have runs, sags, and solvent pop. i like to cut and buff all my work anyways so im not real worried about op now dont get me wrong you dont wanna orange peel the ***** outta it either. I would wet sand it down with 1000 without burning thru the clear and get some different clear thats not fast drying and scuff the hood back up and shoot three coats of clear on it. Like i said before i dont know much other than PPG so you need to look at your P sheets on the time window that you can re-apply clear without base coat. Good luck to you it will turn out right im sure!!!

[justbob]

Well it's out of my hands now, Jeff picked it up this afternoon and is spending the weekend on that and a couple other small projects. I hope it turns out next time around but another side of me doesn't even care anymore. I have NEVER had issues painting whole cars, just parts, or even interior parts. Perhaps i just needed to stick with PPG, i've sprayed many colors (except black) on many cars and trucks, and even under spot light they were first class. It helps that many years ago I worked for a small body shop and when the owner wasn't around they taught me ALOT! They loved passing on the art to someone who really took interest and cared. Of course i was back to pushing the broom on the rare occurance the owner showed up LOL. I had alot of fun there and learned alot of stuff along the way, perhaps my other problem is the fact that took place 18 years ago! And if only dabbing in it once every year or two perhaps i've just fallen out of it a little.

Anyways we'll see next week, if all works out he might have a whole car to repaint.

[03Farmmarauder]

Black is easy to blend or even match but the lower end paints like the PPG line of OMNI will have a brown tent to it and not a true black so spend the extra money and spray the upper end of any manufacturers paint line.

[justbob]

I know this all to well, in the right light half my car is brown. Carmax lied to me when i bought her in 04. After a few years i can also see they painted the hood and the entire left side because the clear is now starting to chip away from the door handles and moldings and a more thorough search has turned up all the tape lines in those areas. I am currently in talks with them about a resolution because here i have a garage queen show car that still has a year and a half of payments on it and the clear is starting to flake away.

They didn't want to talk about it at first till i mentioned that quite frankly i'm bored to death because of no work and i just might park the car and my skinny a** at their entrance with plenty of beware signs.

Will it get resolved? Probably not a chance in the world without dragging it out in court. Will I go that far? Probably not.

The flaking sucks but is minimal for now, and the brown only shows on the passenger side where all they painted was the fender, and you have to have the most perfect lighting to ever see it, but when seen it will smack you right in the face.

It was more than likely in a wreck, but they did excellent body work because i can't find anything anywhere.

[03Farmmarauder]

Excellent body work has NO paint lines. Door handels and moldings should have been romved. Like i said the only way to avoid the brown tent is to spray the upper end of a paint line. Most of the time you can sray a fender right up to the door and not have to blend. Truth be told that even if you did a blend with the lower end paint you would still be able to see the blend going back thru the door of brown to black.

[SILVERSURFER03]

Ok i wish you luck ..... But i still don't you can do it

[justbob]

Finally !!! Now that I got YOUR blessing I can get a decent turnout....LOL

What's up Brian? You been surfin any corners in that SB lately?

[BODYMAN]

Excellent body work has NO paint lines. Door handels and moldings should have been romved. Like i said the only way to avoid the brown tent is to spray the upper end of a paint line. Most of the time you can sray a fender right up to the door and not have to blend. Truth be told that even if you did a blend with the lower end paint you would still be able to see the blend going back thru the door of brown to black.

certain paint codes are more black or brown gm has 4- diff paint codes for black they all look black until you put them next 2 each other in the sun that is when you see the diff! black base coat lays out simple if correct code and match. i just would never blend clear coat with blending agent on a black say like a sail panel from qtr to roof after say qtr panel refinish it will show eventually.what I do is even if I cannot get the ins co to pay which happens all the time I still will paint roof and other qtr rather than throwing a blend when black is involved as black shows everything.

[justbob]

certain paint codes are more black or brown gm has 4- diff paint codes for black they all look black until you put them next 2 each other in the sun that is when you see the diff! black base coat lays out simple if correct code and match. i just would never blend clear coat with blending agent on a black say like a sail panel from qtr to roof after say qtr panel refinish it will show eventually.what I do is even if I cannot get the ins co to pay which happens all the time I still will paint roof and other qtr rather than throwing a blend when black is involved as black shows everything.


Excellent body work has NO paint lines. Door handels and moldings should have been romved. Like i said the only way to avoid the brown tent is to spray the upper end of a paint line. Most of the time you can sray a fender right up to the door and not have to blend. Truth be told that even if you did a blend with the lower end paint you would still be able to see the blend going back thru the door of brown to black.
I just wanted to thank the two of you for your continued efforts in trying to help me, believe me, I'm listening.:beer:

[guspech750]

good luck bob. i know a thing or two when it comes to lawsuits and a dealer as i have one going on now. it should be resolved this year considering its been 2 years so far. they do not stand a chance to win!! to much evidence against them.

[03Farmmarauder]

certain paint codes are more black or brown gm has 4- diff paint codes for black they all look black until you put them next 2 each other in the sun that is when you see the diff! black base coat lays out simple if correct code and match. i just would never blend clear coat with blending agent on a black say like a sail panel from qtr to roof after say qtr panel refinish it will show eventually.what I do is even if I cannot get the ins co to pay which happens all the time I still will paint roof and other qtr rather than throwing a blend when black is involved as black shows everything.

The different blacks I know but if you took and sprayed a UA Black for PPG OMNI then went and Sprayed a UA Black from PPG line Shop Line JBP you would fing the omni was a brown and not true black in sun light. Blending color is a must do but i would never blend clear you must always find a brake line. No manufacture wants a blend to take place. If you put a new front clip on the car and blend the color into the door then the entire door must be re-cleared and yes when it comes to rear quarters that have no brake lines the quarter and roof and other side quarter must be recleared. It takes extra time but a quality repair is the end result. Blend lines always come back most of tyhe time the blend line can be seen.