Can't get into the 12's N/A? BS!!

[FormulaMarauder]

So I venture out to opening test and tune at the track today. 70*, no wind.....perfect.

Stock tires, airbags off, lowered the rear to about 30psi. Left the front alone. Had sway bars ousted prior to getting there. 1/4 tank of 93 octane. Toss the matts and spare.

Got here early, 2nd car on the track, which means it was pretty damn cold, but had some fresh VHT. :coolman:

Up against a 2008 Bullitt Mustang, BEAUTIFUL car.

Now, seeing as though I never ran this thing yet, I was pretty optimistic, hoping for a low 14 with my extensive bolt on mod list.

Go ahead, take a minute to look down at my sig, it's in there.

Thing that erked me was that the the damn tree couldn't clear the reaction times from the first race. I havent a clue what my reaction time was, they figured it out and reset it right after my lap (figures). :mad2:

Avoid the water to the front tires, do a little happy go tire burn, forget to put window up, get yelled at by track official. :o Dipshit on the P.A. reminds everyone to put their windows up when staging. Dipshit on P.A. then refers to my car as a Crown Vic, followed by "Grand Sport." :confused: He then comments on how he thinks the Bullitt Mustang next to me should have a spoiler on it. :shake: Oh yes, it's all on the video, clear as day.

Load the TC a bit, drop brake, and mash gas at the third light. Vault pretty nicely considering stock tires, very minimal spin, nice skid in second, chirp in third. Car feels good, no wind, no sway....and no Bullitt Mustang? :confused:

Shut her down and spin back around for my timeslip. As I roll up to the burly fello in the little shed with his arm extended to me, he utters; "You need a helmet if you gonna keep racing, you hear me? You need one thirteen-nine nine or better."

I'm sorry, what? Che? :eek: Get the **** out. Really? The man gave me my slip, and I nearly lost it when I saw 13.613. Well I'll be a sumbitch. :burnout:

My next run I ran a 13.9, (BAD launch) and two 14.1's. (Flashed convertor too high, got skiddish at line.)

Basically my best to worst in all four runs were 1/2 second off. Gotta find the sweet spot for my launch to get direct consistency.

The nice fellow in the Bullitt missed a gear on his run, he pulled consistent 13.5's after that. :burnout:Awesome.

Let me tell you guys something about tuning. I think those of you with mail order tunes are absolutely ****ing nuts. There, I said it. Sorry Zack, sorry Lidio. Let's face it, some cars are factory freaks, (mine) and some are dogs. Unless you strap the car on a dyno and pull run after run while tuning and playing, you will NEVER REALIZE THE FULL ENGINE POTENTIAL. I had J&M Motorsports (Mustang Specialty shop) strap mine up while tuning, and the car was COMPLETELY different.

Soooooo, let me ask you. Say I throw on 16" steelies with sticky drags, (will make my rear an effective 4.56) NAZ intake, Lightning MAF, 39lb injectors, pull the heat shield and headlight, control arms, race gas, some other do-dads,and maybe some light porting. NA 12second car? I sure as Hell think so.


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Marauder-Lebanon-Valley_680890.htm

[DOOM]

13.6 wow! :eek:
Very impressive run. Keep it up.

[DOOM]

Try launching at 2,000rpms
Thats what most of us seem to think the sweet spot is.

[SC Cheesehead]

13.6 is an impressive run for sure, but it's still a long way from the 12 second mark. You're headed in the right direction, good luck with your quest.

[ctrlraven]

I remember that feeling when I ran my 13.72 I actually thought I was running 14.2 or slower, came around and got my slip and just sat at the booth with my mouth wide open and the import behind me laying on the horn. I think once we break that 100 mph barrier we start to notice the difference.

[mpearce]

I ran 13.6's @ 100 all day, and 1.98 60's, with no pullies, no spacer, no water pump, no TB, no stat...etc...etc.

My only mods were SW longtubes, 4.10's, tune, CAI, PI3000. I never ran any better than that, but again...I never really ran in cool dry weather either.

If you think you can get away with an unsafe tune to "maximize" your cars potnetial...then by all means...go right ahead...lean on it till it breaks.

The tuners on this site know how to maximize power, and make things safe.

If you think you can keep those mods, and "tune" your way into the 12's...you're out of your mind.

P.S. I ran those times on widened real wheels also...which...despite the drag radials...actually drop the car a tenth or two when N/A. But my days of being N/A are now over.

[O's Fan Rich]

This is awesome!
Keep it up!!!!!

You'll get there!!!

[Egon Spengler]

I think you and I need to meet up and discuss my options!

[Zack]

The difference between a 13.6 and a 12.9 is best described like this:
A hot girl that goes to church and has has one Vodka and Cranberry is a 13.6
A Hot girl who moved out at 14 years old, shoots meth and has a tattoo of a lawnmower where her pubic hair once was....12.9.

[Blackmobile]

I'm sorry, what? Che? :eek: Get the **** out. Really? The man gave me my slip, and I nearly lost it when I saw 13.613. Well I'll be a sumbitch. :burnout:



Confucius say, Man who runs 13.6 on first run at track, will soon be knocking on 12.9 Door.

Make sure you try it when the temp drops to 48 or below :2thumbs:


The difference between a 13.6 and a 12.9 is best described like this:
A hot girl that goes to church and has has one Vodka and Cranberry is a 13.6
A Hot girl who moved out at 14 years old, shoots meth and has a tattoo of a lawnmower where her pubic hair once was....12.9.

As for your analogy.......I likey :2thumbs: but I'm waiting for the 12.9 to turn 18.:rolleyes:

[1sexyleo]

I remember that feeling when I ran my 13.72 I actually thought I was running 14.2 or slower, came around and got my slip and just sat at the booth with my mouth wide open and the import behind me laying on the horn. I think once we break that 100 mph barrier we start to notice the difference.

i did the same thing. i thought i ran a 14 but i was lookin at the wrong side of the slip. 13.66 ftmfw!! i was yelling like ****..lmao

[O's Fan Rich]

A Hot girl who moved out at 14 years old, shoots meth and has a tattoo of a lawnmower where her pubic hair once was....12.9.

Are her teeth rotted out yet?:puke:

[Dragcity]

I don't know what my 1/4 mile time is. We only have a whimpy 1/8 mile track here in stinky Buffalo. Haven't had time to run it out to Letchworth. Maybe this Summer?

Gee, should I just double the 1/8 mi time. Ewww, that's ugly.

Funny thing is, this Marauder feels a lot like my '78 T-bird used to, now the headers are on. I don't think I'm running a 12.8 though. 127 cubic inch difference and 10:1 vs 11.8:1 compression. My math tells me my 'feelings' are off a bit....

[freakstatus]

Nice! I'm pretty sure it was the intake spacer that did it.;) I'm shooting for mid to low 14's. We'll see.

[Blk Mamba]

Dragcity, they were building that track when I was in high school, just west of Geneseo, never been, but I thought it was in Leicester. What about Niagara, I still remember the commercials.
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Niagara!

BTW Letchworth State Park is one of the nicest places in the world. (haven't been in 30 years, so don't flame me)

[Dragcity]

Yup, it's Leicester, just behind Letchworth Park. Used to be called Dragcity years ago. That is where I used to run the T-chicken. Kind of a long drive from Buffalo, and god forbid if something broke out there. I remember getting rqained out one Sunday. The ride home on slicks at 12 psi was pretty scary. I think I idled the whole way home.


Niagara Dragway park??. Long Gone. You are showing your age......

[Blk Mamba]

Well Leicester was probably built the year you were born, so you know my age now. (58) That area is one of the best for a vacation anywhere, beautiful scenery, wine country, finger lakes, the "Grand Canyon" of the east.

[Blk Mamba]

BTW, some of us from the Cleveland area are going to cruise to the White Turkey diner, (route 20 near the Pa. line) on May 23rd, for lunch. Feel free to join us, would like to meet you, and others from that area.

[Dragcity]

May 23 might just be doable. Unless my lovely fills my calendar. Keep me posted, is there a thread on it.?

[a_d_a_m]

May 23 might just be doable. Unless my lovely fills my calendar. Keep me posted, is there a thread on it.?

There will be in the Buckeye Marauders forum in about 4 minutes.

[rayjay]

Yup, it's Leicester, just behind Letchworth Park. Used to be called Dragcity years ago. That is where I used to run the T-chicken. Kind of a long drive from Buffalo, and god forbid if something broke out there. I remember getting rqained out one Sunday. The ride home on slicks at 12 psi was pretty scary. I think I idled the whole way home.


Niagara Dragway park??. Long Gone. You are showing your age......

Its still open? I was told they closed a few years ago after they lost the AHRA race.

[FordNut]

. NA 12second car? I sure as Hell think so.


I call BS on your BS. 13.6 ain't 12.9 and until somebody does it there still ain't no 12 second NA Marauders!

[a_d_a_m]

Yeah, this thread had me real excited, then it was a big letdown.

By that rationale, my Marquis is a 13 second car.

[Blackened300a]

More proof that I need to open up my exhaust. I was shocked when I pulled the 13.6 run as well. Especially asince it was consistant 13.7's all day.
I didnt think I had another tenth in me.
BTW, We knew all along 12's N/A was possible, its the naysayers that motovated us to prove it.

[O's Fan Rich]

BTW, We knew all along 12's N/A was possible, its the naysayers that motovated us to prove it.

It's been done?

FAR OUT!!!!:banana2::banana:

Who did it?

[justbob]

I still wish all the best to you guys! But my car with stock pulley is freakishly fast and took several runs to achieve 12.92.

I just couldn't imagine it N/A, please someone prove it can be done.

[ctrlraven]

I think the admins should make a 12 NA Goal thread section, when it happens yet again another milestone will be made.

[Pops]

I think the admins should make a 12 NA Goal thread section, when it happens yet again another milestone will be made.


A bunch of us who have tried are waiting to see the first run dictated by the original rules!:)

[FormulaMarauder]

The tuners on this site know how to maximize power, and make things safe.

If you think you can keep those mods, and "tune" your way into the 12's...you're out of your mind.




No, no. What I'm getting at is that it is wise to have your tune adjusted when adding more mods, and have it done on-hand, not through the mail. I would never lean out an aluminum block/heads just to squeeze out a tenth or two.

[nazman]

Very nice! What were your 60ft times?

[FormulaMarauder]

Very nice! What were your 60ft times?

1.968 Not too shabby for BFG's.

[FormulaMarauder]

OK, listen everyone......

We all drive the same damn car. Well, most of us do. I have a hard time understanding the reasoning as to why some guys think this is a fruitless challenge and offer banter and words of non-encouragement.. It's a CHALLENGE, it's supposed to be hard to obtain.
Me? I'm gonna take my time. I just bought a new house and have other hobbies I indulge myself in, so I'm not about to spend every extra $$$ on mods. Little at a time. I'm DELIGHTED that I am in mid 13's in a 4,400lb car on street tires. If I get there first, great. If not, I'm gonna be hootin and hollering offering words of encouragement and congratulations to the one who does, and all of you should too.

Regards everyone, drive safe.

-Paul C.

[Raudermaster]

Right on Paul, you can do it, along with a lot of the other guys on here. If you need a hand installing some mods, don't be afraid to give me a holler.

[Glenn]

FM:

Good work that you ran 13.6s, but you are talking about a light year of distance between 13.6s and 12.9s. The olde dogs on the net know that it is an impossible challenge and just cannot be done. But, we all admire your efforts to try.

Glenn Ford :burnout:

PS: It would be nice to see a timeslip.

[FormulaMarauder]

Here's the video..........
:cool4:


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Marauder-Lebanon-Valley_680890.htm

[PSG]

i'm a little more curious about the lawn mower tattoo girl, i she still that young ? because thats kinda sick, but if were talkin 8 or 10 years later i'm in !

[ctrlraven]

Here's the video..........
:cool4:


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Marauder-Lebanon-Valley_680890.htm
"Windows up and A/C off, that's the rules"
"Crown Vic Grand Sport"
"Chrome Wheels"
:lol:

Seriously I would of punched the guy for saying that. I always make sure I write on my info card MERCURY MARAUDER but luckily enough of the CAMmers run at the local track so they know the difference.

[PSG]

when are you going back to the track ?

i am just finishing up my tranny and shooting to be ready to get back up there the week after carslile.

[Joe Walsh]

"Windows up and A/C off, that's the rules"
"Crown Vic Grand Sport"
"Chrome Wheels"
:lol:

Seriously I would of punched the guy for saying that. I always make sure I write on my info card MERCURY MARAUDER but luckily enough of the CAMmers run at the local track so they know the difference.

When I first ran my Marauder at 75-80 (Spring '03) the track announcer kept calling my car a Cadillac!?!?
...WTF?
After my second run, and the second time he said "Black Cadillac" I shoepolished 'MERC' in huge letters across the rear window.
The next time up he realized what a tard he was and said: "Oh! that must be one of those new Mercury Marauders!"

[mpearce]

Yes, it is very wise to have a complete dyno tune after every mod you do...especially a converter, headers, etc. Ultimately, thats what you should do IMO. Some people though have to resort to the mail because going to a proper tuner with a dyno just isn't possible.

As for 12's N/A...I just don't see it happening without touching the motor, and doing extensive weight reduction. The car is just too heavy, and the cid too small. You'd spend more money trying to get it into the 12's N/A than you would on a supercharger.

Cruztaker I believe was the fastest N/A Marauder ever. 13.2's @ 103 and change IIRC. He weighs maybe 150lbs soaking wet. He had everything done to his Marauder under the sun for N/A runs...and if he couldn't do it...it ain't happening...unless you touch the motor.

-Mat

[FormulaMarauder]

I look at it this way Mat, I'll get it as low as I can go. If I hit a wall and decide to get a blower, she'll be that much quicker.
-regards.

[mpearce]

I look at it this way Mat, I'll get it as low as I can go. If I hit a wall and decide to get a blower, she'll be that much quicker.
-regards.

Thats a great way to look at it dude...no harm at all in that. It'll be fun...but probably frustrating. I got frustrated...after 5 years of being N/A, and losing all the time on the street to people. The car is unbelievably fun as it is N/A...I just can't even fathom what it's going to be like with forced iduction. Good luck, and have lots of fun...because when it comes down to it...thats what it's about after all. Fun.

-Mat

[LOWBUCKMM]

As for your analogy.......I likey :2thumbs: but I'm waiting for the 12.9 to turn 18.:rolleyes:

that was funny as hell. i woke up my girlfriend laughing at that.

[Glenn]

FM:

Nice burn-out - This is now the "Big Dogs" do it.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Silver-Raceway-GA-Mercury_559005.htm

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

FM:

Nice burn-out - This is now the "Big Dogs" do it.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Silver-Raceway-GA-Mercury_559005.htm

Glenn Ford :burnout:


anyone can do that. thats not me. i like to be different and have fun doing it.

[DOOM]

Here's the video..........
:cool4:


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Marauder-Lebanon-Valley_680890.htm

Very well done. :beatnik:

[DOOM]

Yes, it is very wise to have a complete dyno tune after every mod you do...especially a converter, headers, etc. Ultimately, thats what you should do IMO. Some people though have to resort to the mail because going to a proper tuner with a dyno just isn't possible.

As for 12's N/A...I just don't see it happening without touching the motor, and doing extensive weight reduction. The car is just too heavy, and the cid too small. You'd spend more money trying to get it into the 12's N/A than you would on a supercharger.

Cruztaker I believe was the fastest N/A Marauder ever. 13.2's @ 103 and change IIRC. He weighs maybe 150lbs soaking wet. He had everything done to his Marauder under the sun for N/A runs...and if he couldn't do it...it ain't happening...unless you touch the motor.

-Mat

There are alot more mods coming out for our cars now. Mods that weren't available when barry made his impressive runs. Give it your best shot guys. :up:

[Dragcity]

Can anyone get their hands on like 5.86 gears? Bet that would do a little somethin'

You might have to raise the RPM limit above 8,000.............

Headers

Gears

Tune

Traction

In my opinion, that is the answer right there. Hope and pray you don't break !

[ctrlraven]

5.86? LOLers

Car has to be driven to the track to start with.

[Dragcity]

Just keep it under 30 MPH. Ha!

[Blackened300a]

If they made a quick change diff for our cars I would agree, but Ill stick with 4.30s as my gear of choice.

[Dragcity]

Just move up the Ford 9". They are a quick change. And won't break........

[Bluerauder]

Gee, should I just double the 1/8 mi time. Ewww, that's ugly.

Add 55.9% to your 1/8 mile time or multiply by 1.559 and you should get an idea of what an estimated 1/4 mile time would be under similar conditions. Just an estimate, though.

[MarkFJ40]

12's should not be a problem if you are doing mid 13's with some basic bolt ons.
Guys are making tons of power with these mod motors.
Get some bigger cams. Pump more air make more power. :D
Or some Livernois Stage 3 heads. LOL.

[Paul T. Casey]

Let's face it, some cars are factory freaks, (mine) and some are dogs. Unless you strap the car on a dyno and pull run after run while tuning and playing, you will NEVER REALIZE THE FULL ENGINE POTENTIAL. I had J&M Motorsports (Mustang Specialty shop) strap mine up while tuning, and the car was COMPLETELY different.

Anyone serious about getting the biggest bang from your car, read this 100 times.

Soooooo, let me ask you. Say I throw on 16" steelies with sticky drags, (will make my rear an effective 4.56) NAZ intake, Lightning MAF, 39lb injectors, pull the heat shield and headlight, control arms, race gas, some other do-dads,and maybe some light porting. NA 12second car? I sure as Hell think so.

Depends on what you mean by some other do-dads.


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Marauder-Lebanon-Valley_680890.htm


Nice times. I'm still rooting for the 12 second NA though.

[mpearce]

12's should not be a problem if you are doing mid 13's with some basic bolt ons.
Guys are making tons of power with these mod motors.
Get some bigger cams. Pump more air make more power. :D
Or some Livernois Stage 3 heads. LOL.

Like I said...the car is too heavy...and 12 second runs will not be done without touching the motor like this suggestion^^^.

N/A...stock untouched motor...12's ain't happenin unless you believe in miracles.

Cruztakers run, IMO, will stand for a very very long time. 13.2 @ 103 won't be beat without toucing the motor. (Unless you find a dragstrip open in January and race below 32*)

Then....and only then....maybe....:D

[FormulaMarauder]

Then....and only then....maybe....:D

[Dumb and Dumber Lloyd voice....] "So your saying there's a chance......."
lol.

[Joe Walsh]

12's should not be a problem if you are doing mid 13's with some basic bolt ons.
Guys are making tons of power with these mod motors.
Get some bigger cams. Pump more air make more power. :D
Or some Livernois Stage 3 heads. LOL.

We are talking about an OEM stock 4.6 DOHC...just bolt ons.

"You can't lift the cam covers" rule book.

[a_d_a_m]

N/A...stock untouched motor...12's ain't happenin unless you believe in miracles.

Cruztakers run, IMO, will stand for a very very long time. 13.2 @ 103 won't be beat without toucing the motor. Remove EVERY piece of interior (seats, center console, glovebox lid, interior door panels, stereo, headliner, EVERYTHING including carpet!), and swap out the drivers' seat with a low-weight race seat...bypass any unnecessary pulleys (P/S pump? and A/C compressor if possible?) and free some HP up there...

It could happen.

Of course, then, you wouldn't have a Marauder, you'd have a stripped out piece of crap. :lol:

[SC Cheesehead]

Remove EVERY piece of interior (seats, center console, glovebox lid, interior door panels, stereo, headliner, EVERYTHING including carpet!), and swap out the drivers' seat with a low-weight race seat...bypass any unnecessary pulleys (P/S pump? and A/C compressor if possible?) and free some HP up there...

It could happen.

Of course, then, you wouldn't have a Marauder, you'd have a stripped out piece of crap. :lol:

And that's outside the original rules....:shake:

[ImpalaSlayer]

guys ill let you know when it happens dont worry!

[DOOM]

Cecil county dragstrip is open till mid December. We were running in 35 degree weather last season. That will be a key to running 12's

[ImpalaSlayer]

Cecil county dragstrip is open till mid December. We were running in 35 degree weather last season. That will be a key to running 12's


you know ill be there ;)

[O's Fan Rich]

you know ill be there ;)

Yep, there will be lots of room in the stands for you, my Man!!!


:banana2:

:lol:

:D

[FordNut]

5.86? LOLers

Car has to be driven to the track to start with.


If they made a quick change diff for our cars I would agree, but Ill stick with 4.30s as my gear of choice.

Stick a GearVendors underdrive unit on it.


Just move up the Ford 9". They are a quick change. And won't break........

I only wish there was a bolt-in 9" available. I'd jump on it in a heartbeat. Designing a retrofit would (will?) probably cost me 6 months of downtime. If I break the 31-spline 8.8 I'll be seriously exploring this option.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Yep, there will be lots of room in the stands for you, my Man!!!


:banana2:

:lol:

:D

there were like 10 people watchin last winter. i loved it! i hate when the track is packed

[rayjay]

Cecil county dragstrip is open till mid December. We were running in 35 degree weather last season. That will be a key to running 12's

Where you guys able to get decent traction at that temp?

[ctrlraven]

Where you guys able to get decent traction at that temp?
That's when Sherman was running his fastest. If the track is prepped correctly and has been dry for some time you can hook up.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Where you guys able to get decent traction at that temp?


best yet! cecil gennerly dosent mess around with it