PCV upgrade for the Supercharged

[MarauderMark]

it was on here before but i cannot find it. its suppose to breath better but i cant find any info on what and how to do it ..Anyone? Anyone?:o

[O's Fan Rich]

Marauderjack would be the Man for this....

Mark,
I messed around with mine and did some searching and saving.
Here is part of what I found here:

FIT / Centrifugal Blower PCV Mod
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I thought that this mod justifies another look.

Credit goes to SergntMac's for posting the PCV solution he and Zack came up with on his Marauder a while back, and to MarauderJack for applying it to the FIT kit.

Here's the parts list for this mod:

(1) Motorcraft EV153 '03 Cobra PCV valve
(4-ft) 3/8" heater hose (sold per foot)
(1-ft) 3/4" heater hose (sold per foot)
(1) barbed 3/4" x 3/4" x 3/8" tee or (1) 3/8" x 3/4" barbed adapter
(1) 5/8" cap - not required if you remove the 5/8" x 5/8" x 5/8" blower intake tube tee supplied with the kit (see step 2 below)
(1) 3/4" cap - not required if you find a 3/8" x 3/4" adapter mentioned above
(assorted) zip ties and/or hose clamps

I sourced these parts through a local Oreillys parts store for around $20-25 IIRC. I used a EV153 instead of the EV111 after a finding out that there were some centrifugally-blown Mustang owners that were switching to it due to oil consumption issues.

The FIT kit PCV mod is pretty straight forward:

1. Remove the vent heater hose and barbed fitting from the driver's side cam cover grommet to the blower intake tube

2. Either cap the end left open on the 5/8" tee on the bottom of the blower intake tube or remove the tee and hook the passenger side vent directly to the fitting on the bottom of blower intake tube

3. Insert the EV153 into the grommet on the driver's side cam cover left open after removing the vent fitting

4. Route the 3/8" heater hose from the PCV valve to the passenger's side cam cover around the back of the engine compartment

5. Remove the 3/4" cap originally supplied with the kit from the upper intake manifold OEM PCV connector

6. Connect the 3/8" heater hose from the EV153 PCV valve to the 3/4" upper intake connector using the tee (cap the other end of the tee) or adaptor and a short length of 3/4" heater hose (see pic)

7. Remove the OEM PCV valve from the passenger's side cam cover by removing the two bolts holding it onto the cover

8. Remove the screen, plunger and spring from the bottom of the OEM PCV valve

9. Re-install the OEM PCV valve (now just a vacuum fitting) on the cam cover and verify the original 5/8" heater hose still connects the OEM PCV valve to the bottom of blower intake tube

10. Install hose clamps, zip ties, or similar to secure hoses

[DEFYANT]

Keeping her?

[Marauderjack]

Hey Mark,

All you do is gut the OEM PCV valve to make it a "90* fitting" with no valve inside and connect it to the blower intake tube above the radiator fan.

Then add a EV-111 (check valve) PCV valve to the grommet at the back of the driver's valve cover and connect it to the PCV port on the intake.....VOILA you have a functional system again with reverse flow and no feedback to the crank case from the blower since the EV-111 closes when it sees pressure!!:beer:

I can send you photos if you need them.....Good Luck!!:D

[DTRMiguel]

Keeping her?

Hopefully NOT :rolleyes:

[RR|Suki]

just put breathers on it

[Seneca]

keep her mark!

[Zack]

+2, put the breathers on and call it a day.

[DEFYANT]

I thought "breathers" was bad? Didnt someone blow up their motor running breathers?

[Zack]

I thought "breathers" was bad? Didnt someone blow up their motor running breathers?

The only thing bad about breathers is for the environment. And its not a big deal as far as Im concerned.

[RR|Suki]

The only thing bad about breathers is for the environment. And its not a big deal as far as Im concerned.

same here, I've been planning on going to breathers but I'd like the oem screw in type grommets for the passenger cover and I can't find the part number :o

[DEFYANT]

The only thing bad about breathers is for the environment. And its not a big deal as far as Im concerned.

... it was something about unmetered air getting into the system... Might have read that somewhere else...

[FordNut]

I thought "breathers" was bad? Didnt someone blow up their motor running breathers?


The only thing bad about breathers is for the environment. And its not a big deal as far as Im concerned.


... it was something about unmetered air getting into the system... Might have read that somewhere else...

If only the inlet is replaced with a breather that's true, if you're not tuned to compensate for it you could have a lean condition. If you put breathers on both valve covers it shouldn't be a problem... Except for the oily mess all over the place.

[Marauderjack]

And the blowby STENCH!!!!:argue:

[MarauderMark]

Hey Mark,

All you do is gut the OEM PCV valve to make it a "90* fitting" with no valve inside and connect it to the blower intake tube above the radiator fan.

Then add a EV-111 (check valve) PCV valve to the grommet at the back of the driver's valve cover and connect it to the PCV port on the intake.....VOILA you have a functional system again with reverse flow and no feedback to the crank case from the blower since the EV-111 closes when it sees pressure!!:beer:

I can send you photos if you need them.....Good Luck!!:D


Well thanks for your support and info but i found out today that the T-Trim V2 that i have is blowing out the oil not the valve cover so i guess i'll have it running buy the end of summer AGAIN:mad2::mad2::mad2:

Nope once i get it running again from Vortech it will be $17k Cash..

[fastblackmerc]

If only the inlet is replaced with a breather that's true, if you're not tuned to compensate for it you could have a lean condition. If you put breathers on both valve covers it shouldn't be a problem... Except for the oily mess all over the place.

And not passing emissions testing if they do it on your state.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I thought "breathers" was bad? Didnt someone blow up their motor running breathers?


Charlie I agree, they are not to be done away with, PCV stands for crank case ventilation, the pro charger original set up was wrong, it had no source of vacum, they caped off the intake port.
Air was originally sucked out of the drivers side valve cover through the OEM PSV located in the passenger VC, this valve was ported directly from the intake, which of course will be boost sensitive on a centrifugal blower, the OEM PSV is not a check valve so under boost, you will blow air in the crank case, now on a trilogy it does not see boost at this port, but to correct any centrifugal blower, you should add a Ford EV111 in the passenger VC route that to the intake where the OEM was attached in the Vortech kit they include a brass reducer but you can just take a aluminum PCV and cut the bottom out and install it there to connect it up to the new PCV. I use fuel line hose that will not collapse under vacuum, you route the original PCV to the intake of the SC placing it as far away from the blower as possible and or use a oil separator, PCV is metered air and this loss can effect AF that is why I never recommend twin open air elements. I will see if I can fine the pictures. I know Rich Williams did this on his kit, it comes standard on all Vortech kits and Vortech uses the EV111 on other kits. You also want to make sure the line can not blow off under boost, the EV111 is designed for a turbo Coupe and blows closed under boost.

OEM
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1243049276-oempcv.jpg
Adapter
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1243049429-ev11.jpg
Return
http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1243049522-pcvreturn.jpg

[MarauderMark]

Charlie I agree, they are not to be done away with, PCV stands for crank case ventilation, the pro charger original set up was wrong, it had no source of vacum, they caped off the intake port.
Air was originally sucked out of the drivers side valve cover through the OEM PSV located in the passenger VC, this valve was ported directly from the intake, which of course will be boost sensitive on a centrifugal blower, the OEM PSV is not a check valve so under boost, you will blow air in the crank case, now on a trilogy it does not see boost at this port, but to correct any centrifugal blower, you should add a Ford EV111 in the passenger VC route that to the intake where the OEM was attached in the Vortech kit they include a brass reducer but you can just take a aluminum PCV and cut the bottom out and install it there to connect it up to the new PCV. I use fuel line hose that will not collapse under vacuum, you route the original PCV to the intake of the SC placing it as far away from the blower as possible and or use a oil separator, PCV is metered air and this loss can effect AF that is why I never recommend twin open air elements. I will see if I can fine the pictures. I know Rich Williams did this on his kit, it comes standard on all Vortech kits and Vortech uses the EV111 on other kits. You also want to make sure the line can not blow off under boost, the EV111 is designed for a turbo Coupe and blows closed under boost.

Was this done on my car? because this option loves to blow my valve/sparkplug gaskets but only on the pass side when its under boost. see its **** like this is why i hate the ****ing car.$22k for the car $60k + up my ass, thanks and stay the **** out of my threads..:mad2:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Was this done on my car? because this option loves to blow my valve/sparkplug gaskets but only on the pass side when its under boost. see its **** like this is why i hate the ****ing car.$22k for the car $60k + up my ass, thanks and stay the **** out of my threads..:mad2:


Well Mark of course it was done to your car, I am sure there are pictures here showing it, there are always two sides to every story. I told you last year the shop ripped you off in Maryland that charged you 800 dollars to change both valve covers and tube seals, then after that you You told me and Steve you found oil on top of the spark plugs, and that you changed them and allowed the oil to run down in the cylinders, this could cause detonation, you posted a picture here of a rubber boot found on one of the spark plugs. I called you and told you it was off the spark plug socket and holds the spark plug in the socket. Then lets let every one know here what else you told me that some one in Maryland completely butchered the Bull Dog Mezirie watter pump alarm system you had some one try and install there in your car, and you auto started the car in front of your home, and you let it run 15 minutes before seeing steam poring out of the hood because the relay they installed was burnt up.

I would say that could have some thing to do with oil coming out of the valve covers, Not valve cover gaskets or tube seals. Steve fixed the relay and replaced the plugged up cats on your car last year, I told you last year about my concerns of the fact you told me you had severely overheated a brand new motor, just redone by Fox Lake, after you took the car to the track on the second motor and ran it down the track on less than 1/4 tank of gasoline which I told you never to do, and you admitted you heard it detonate, and you turned around and took it down the track for a second time and fried the motor, so what did I do, I paid for the shipping to Ron at Fox Lake and he told you that this was not his fault or mine and he totally rebuilt the motor again, and I paid the shipping, then you over heated that motor prior to bringing it to me last year, then the transmission went bad last year, so what did I do. I sent you a free transmission minus the kit, and paid for shipping both ways.

I had to call the company that you took the car to to have the core returned. Your original transmission that was three years old, the fact is Mark no one I know of has had as bad as luck as you, both my wife and I have always liked you and Peg, and treated you like family taking you to dinner when you were here doing all that I could to help you, and all your troubles are documented here on this site, no company can teach a customer to drag race, what they can do is lay out the guide lines of the do's and dont's, I have done that, ever since I have known you. So yes you have had no luck period, we have tried to help you every step of the way, that is all any one can do.

You have expressed your opinion I have shown what I have done, there is no way this post will be left intact, you can never win on the internet, I am not trying to. I am just explaining my side. I wish only the best for you and Peg.

[MarauderMark]

Well Mark of course it was done to your car, I am sure there are pictures here showing it, there are always two sides to every story. I told you last year the shop ripped you off in Maryland that charged you 800 dollars to change both valve covers and tube seals, then after that you You told me and Steve you found oil on top of the spark plugs, and that you changed them and allowed the oil to run down in the cylinders, this could cause detonation, you posted a picture here of a rubber boot found on one of the spark plugs. I called you and told you it was off the spark plug socket and holds the spark plug in the socket. Then lets let every one know here what else you told me that some one in Maryland completely butchered the Bull Dog Mezirie watter pump alarm system you had some one try and install there in your car, and you auto started the car in front of your home, and you let it run 15 minutes before seeing steam poring out of the hood because the relay they installed was burnt up.

I would say that could have some thing to do with oil coming out of the valve covers, Not valve cover gaskets or tube seals. Steve fixed the relay and replaced the plugged up cats on your car last year, I told you last year about my concerns of the fact you told me you had severely overheated a brand new motor, just redone by Fox Lake, after you took the car to the track on the second motor and ran it down the track on less than 1/4 tank of gasoline which I told you never to do, and you admitted you heard it detonate, and you turned around and took it down the track for a second time and fried the motor, so what did I do, I paid for the shipping to Ron at Fox Lake and he told you that this was not his fault or mine and he totally rebuilt the motor again, and I paid the shipping, then you over heated that motor prior to bringing it to me last year, then the transmission went bad last year, so what did I do. I sent you a free transmission minus the kit, and paid for shipping both ways.

I had to call the company that you took the car to to have the core returned. Your original transmission that was three years old, the fact is Mark no one I know of has had as bad as luck as you, both my wife and I have always liked you and Peg, and treated you like family taking you to dinner when you were here doing all that I could to help you, and all your troubles are documented here on this site, no company can teach a customer to drag race, what they can do is lay out the guide lines of the do's and dont's, I have done that, ever since I have known you. So yes you have had no luck period, we have tried to help you every step of the way, that is all any one can do.

You have expressed your opinion I have shown what I have done, there is no way this post will be left intact, you can never win on the internet, I am not trying to. I am just explaining my side. I wish only the best for you and Peg.

Ok Creep 1st off how do i know you even did it (thanks for the pics to double check the sys)the upgrade?

#2 when i come to see you call me names which i let slide instead of popping you one so that my car can be done ( you know kissing your ass :puke: ) and it was $600.

3) butchered the Bull Dog Mezirie watter pump alarm system. Hey butch you installed it and also gave me an alarm system that never worked and i had to pay to get it out of my car cause windows wouldn't work . yes you gave me a 3 year trans (which i was so lucky to have for that long your quote)also where the file you where going to send me for it so that it shifts right? Must be lost in the mail huh

4) As for drag racing you should explain in better detail to those before you sell them perfomance that dealing with you is a rude awakining. i co
You Sir are a Liar a total jerkoff and theif and if i could stick my foot where the sun don't shine i would . Sure wish i could delete your comments see how you like it.

ya know what else i like about your fantastic service is when i finally get 900 miles to get to you i explain everything to do and you pick what you wanna do and shoo us out the door.
Again stay out of my threads!

[Dennis Reinhart]

As I said this post would not stay on tract, you posted in responce to a valid question about PCV valves in anger, why did you wait till now to do this. I did not post in your threads, so for you to say stay out of your threads is wrong since you posted here, So the facts are here Mark, so lets bring them out, you bought watter to air kit from me years ago, you had it installed on a stock motor, it ran perfect for about a year, and then you over heated that engine twice, I helped all I could over the phone.

You took it to the dealer, they tore the engine down and replaced both head gaskets, do you remember this, I know many long time members here do, so you go and pick the car up on a Friday and engage in a street drag race and at over a 100 MPH on the way home, the engine explodes, you did this before making sure all was ok with the dealer repair work, I do not think there is a single member here that would have done this, then club started the help Mark replace his motor fund, and I was blamed for your lack of experience and common since to know that you do not take a SC car to the dealer and pick it up and go street racing the same day, so I arranged to have the car towed here, we took pictures and posted them of where the dealer had ran two screws that hold the fan on to the radiator, they actually ran the screws into the radiator plastic tanks puncturing them do you not remember this??. you had to buy a new radiator along with a Fox lake motor.

Well I photographed them and posted them here, yet I was blamed for you grenading this engine. Then Ron at Fox lake builds you a good motor, Jerry helped with that tune, and the car ran perfect for months, then you take the car to the track on a 1/4 tank of gas which is about 4 gallons, no one does this with twin dual pumps you can suck the basket dry.

I told you always drive there and put 5 gallons of 100 octane just under a 1/2 a tank, you did not do this, you took the car down the track heard it detonating turned around and came back for a second pass, and as I said destroyed the motor, again every body on the site was asking how can this happen, now you know why.

I wanted a independent shop to remove the motor, I paid to have it sent to Fox lake if he found it was my fault I would have paid the bill, he did not he told you that, and then you had that motor rebuilt, before even getting the car here you badly over heated the brand new engine in the car, the shop that installed the new engine butchered the watter pump relay, they installed the super charger wrong and the car had two bad cats when it got here, we did the best we could for you. So I am done, nothing more can be said and every thing I have said will be twisted, but as I said there are many members here that know all of this and know how hard you ran this car, all I can say is we tried to help.

I wish every one a safe and happy Memorial day.

[W4LTD]

Happy Memorial Day, Dennis & Mark...

Being that this is a [public] forum and not a PM discussion, I just wanted to throw out my .02 worth.

Personally, I don't know either of you gentlemen, but from an outsiders point-of-view, it would seem that when the head gaskets were replaced at the dealer, a proper "break-in" period would have been appropriate. I am NO mechanic, but I think this should seem obvious(?).

There's a good reason that Ford does not warranty/guarantee any after-market engine bolt-ons nor modifications to the stock engine. When you alter the stock engine dynamics, you leave yourself at risk of damaging the engine and [possibly] other parts. The Marauder is in no way a drag car and even with serious modifications and/or upgrades, it is still a 4000+ pound behemoth!

When modifications are performed, whether it be by Dennis or any other reputable shop, everything you do from then on is at your own risk. For any shop to place a warranty on such modifications would put them out of business.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Marauder and its combination of both speed and class, but if I were to void my warranty and go the Vortech or Trilogy route, I would [expect] some "issues" down the road...

[justbob]

There is no break in for head gaskets. This was the case of shotty work. Also anything with an engine is drag material.:banana2:

[MarauderMark]

Happy Memorial Day, Dennis & Mark...

Being that this is a [public] forum and not a PM discussion, I just wanted to throw out my .02 worth.

Personally, I don't know either of you gentlemen, but from an outsiders point-of-view, it would seem that when the head gaskets were replaced at the dealer, a proper "break-in" period would have been appropriate. I am NO mechanic, but I think this should seem obvious(?).

There's a good reason that Ford does not warranty/guarantee any after-market engine bolt-ons nor modifications to the stock engine. When you alter the stock engine dynamics, you leave yourself at risk of damaging the engine and [possibly] other parts. The Marauder is in no way a drag car and even with serious modifications and/or upgrades, it is still a 4000+ pound behemoth!

When modifications are performed, whether it be by Dennis or any other reputable shop, everything you do from then on is at your own risk. For any shop to place a warranty on such modifications would put them out of business.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Marauder and its combination of both speed and class, but if I were to void my warranty and go the Vortech or Trilogy route, I would [expect] some "issues" down the road...

Happy M day to you too.
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There is no break in for head gaskets. This was the case of shotty work. Also anything with an engine is drag material.:banana2:

Exactly so pay attention ya'll. I think its about time old and noobs ought to know that that dr likes and does great work for those he likes This isn't new from me he's been proven a creep.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050307105107/http://www.truthaboutreinhart.com/

I really wished that jerry ( the 1st i called) wouldv'e gave a trilogy in less than 3 months so i wouldn't and been pray for the sneaky snake in the grass

[Dennis Reinhart]

I can clearly see you are not out side and enjoying Memorial day. I am headed to the pool Mark, and try and relax before starting back to work tomorrow. So in closing lets not forget that you told members here you wired an alarm siren into your MAF harness, repeatedly told members here about installing your chip wrong, admitted keeping your neighbors tools that UPS sent to you by mistake. Yet I am a creep. Here is the proof of what has transpired with your car for three years now. I have tried repeadly to help you, I am sorry for all your missfortune.

http://www.reinhartautomotive.com/WMD_MM.pdf

[Marauderjack]

FIRST rule of "HOLES"...boys......When in one....STOP DIGGIN'!!!:beer:

Marauderjack:shake:

[Dennis Reinhart]

FIRST rule of "HOLES"...boys......When in one....STOP DIGGIN'!!!:beer:

Marauderjack:shake:


I am sorry to see this, it was not necessary and the response had nothing to do with this post, I hope every one has a safe Memorial day.