Mustang brake Conv

[Gage]

Has anyone done this? how much what all did it take to do! I do not want to spend 4k for brakes!

Thanks

[MrBluGruv]

sweet lord how are you spending $4K for brakes?

[Spectragod]

sweet lord how are you spending $4K for brakes?

Yeah..... I only spent 3K for mine. :D

[Marauderjack]

[Quote] sweet lord how are you spending $4K for brakes? [Quote]..................


Because they are BREAKS.....not brakes!!:eek:

[CBT]

I don't understand what you are saying.

[SC Cheesehead]

I'm confused, what are we talking about here?

I'm assuming "brakes", and is so, is the question OEM replacements, upgrades to Baers, etc? If upgrades, a couple grand is the average cost, isn't it?

[juno]

I think he wants to put Mustang brakes on the MM.

[SC Cheesehead]

I think he wants to put Mustang brakes on the MM.

Yeah, after re-reading the thread title I think you're right. But why go that route when there are decent aftermarket upgrades available specifically made for the Marauder?

[Gage]

Answer????????

[RR|Suki]

what I want to know is how you figure mustang brakes would be an upgrade? Other than GT500 brakes or something

[Gage]

easy 13" + rotors and 4 pist +cal. very easy to find. now very few make any thing for a MM so you end up paying 3k for a kit the would cost 1900 for a mustang.

Like headers or anything else if you put a MM on the tag price goes way up.

[RR|Suki]

easy 13" + rotors and 4 pist +cal. very easy to find. now very few make any thing for a MM so you end up paying 3k for a kit the would cost 1900 for a mustang.

Like headers or anything else if you put a MM on the tag price goes way up.

what planet are you living on?

This is from the TCE site:

*FRONT KITS*
Plus 1: The 13" kit. $1559
This kit is designed for stock wheels but comes with big kit value. The BSL6n caliper offers true 'big caliper' performance in a more compact size. Staggered bore design helps eliminate pad taper wear. Striking looks combine with a well biased system provide a true brake upgrade. Clears factory wheels with supplied 1/16" wheel spacer.
Wilwood BSL6 n calipers with stainless steel pistons
Steel mounting brackets
TCE spec billet aluminum rotor hats
13.1" x 1.10" directional cast rotors
Gas slotted and zinc plated
Wilwood BP10 pads
TCE spec Stainless Steel braided hose kit
All required hardware
Optional cross drilled rotor finish- ADD $135
Optional RED powder coat finish- ADD $125
Optional Wilwood 570 brake fluid- ADD $6ea (12oz)
Optional pad wear spacers- ADD $30 (2pk)

My 14" Baer kit is even less money ;)

[Gage]

yep and then another 1500 for the rear!

these have bigger rotors... cheaper... can get pads anywhere!... don't need a spacer, lower unsprung weight which if you don't autocross (I don't) you dont need 6 pistons and I dont like wilwood. sorry


thanks anyway




Description

Front Force 10 3-Piston Aluminum Caliper Disc Brake Kit

Disc brake kit with Force 10 Tri-Power 3-Piston Aluminum calipers and 13" rotors. Fits both Cobra and non-Cobra cars.

General Specs:
Minimum Wheel Size 17"
Axle Front

Caliper Specs:
Name Force 10 Tri-Power
Number of Pistons 3
Piston Size 38mm
Constructed From Aluminum
Standard Finish Black powdercoat

Rotor Specs:
Diameter 13"
Thickness 1.250"
Venting Directional (curved vane)
Standard Finish Slotted and Plated
Bolt Pattern 5 x 4.5"


KIT FEATURES
All hardware included.
Bolts to stock spindles.
Calipers come with black powdercoat finish.
Includes braided stainless flex lines.
Includes Force 10 Tri-Power 3-Piston aluminum calipers.
Includes high performance pads.
Includes Turbo slotted rotors with Xtra Life plating.
Will fit factory 17" GT and Cobra wheels.

[RR|Suki]

so wait let me get this right

1. you figure that those calipers and one piece rotors are lighter... unless you have specs that's kind of an odd thing to just say

2. you claim you can get the front and rear of that kit both 13" for $1600? errr $1900 sorry

3. what do those use, C5 vette pads? Then get the baer kit, same pads, and you get 2 piece rotors for your $1200. Oh and their 14" since you listed rotor size as one of your concerns with the Wilwood kit

[Gage]

4k is easy!

$1479+$1929=$3700 for the "basic" kit


1. you figure that those calipers and one piece rotors are lighter... unless you have specs that's kind of an odd thing to just say

2. you claim you can get the front and rear of that kit both 13" for $1600? errr $1900 sorry


Are you drunk? Have you ever lifted a 6 piston cal? Also BOTH kits have the same cast rotors it just happend to Bigger where it counts on the FF kit!


$2,449.00
Product Details
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/../images/6_month.gifYou've invested into your Mustangs power and handling. The next and most important upgrade you need is brakes. This is the most comprehensive, performance braking system available for the 1979-1993 Mustang. Steeda's Cobra "R" 4-wheel conversion kit includes everything required to convert your stock brakes into a professional, race-ready system. Large 13" vented front rotors and 11.65" vented rear rotors make this the ultimate brake kit for your fox body Mustang. Steeda's complete kit includes all new rotors, master cylinder, proportioning valves, lines, brackets, hardware... everything.

NOTE: Requires 17" 5 lug wheels.


MUSTANG
(INC AP1401XS / D1082HPS)05-08++AP BRAKE SYSTEMFRONT / REARBLK4-PISTON2PC14"Cross-Drilled / SlottedAP4400.01$2,547


I couldn't do a cut and paste but check this kit for Front and rear out for 14" 2pc disk and 4 piston for 2500.

http://www.livermoreperformance.com/mustang_brake_kits.html

1200 for bear and how much for the rest? I am looking for SSBC, AP or brembo so do you have an answer or ?

HAS THIS BEEN DONE?
MUSTANG

[O's Fan Rich]

4k is easy!

$1479+$1929=$3700 for the "basic" kit



Are you drunk? Have you ever lifted a 6 piston cal? Also BOTH kits have the same cast rotors it just happend to Bigger where it counts on the FF kit!



MUSTANG
(INC AP1401XS / D1082HPS)05-08++AP BRAKE SYSTEMFRONT / REARBLK4-PISTON2PC14"Cross-Drilled / SlottedAP4400.01$2,547


I couldn't do a cut and paste but check this kit for Front and rear out for 14" 2pc disk and 4 piston for 2500.

http://www.livermoreperformance.com/mustang_brake_kits.html

1200 for bear and how much for the rest? I am looking for SSBC, AP or brembo so do you have an answer or ?

HAS THIS BEEN DONE?
MUSTANG

No. It can't be done.

You have to pay The Man to play with these cars.

[FordNut]

No. It can't be done.

You have to pay... to play with these cars.

Best answer!

[Spectragod]

Best answer!


I'll second that, get your wallet out..... unless you have your own machine shop.

[ImpalaSlayer]

got my baers for 700 :D i dont really feel the rears are nessesry, at least for what i do. if you really wana autox you bought the wrong damn car

[Black_Noise]

if your not doing auto x then why do you think you need to spend any on the brakes?

any by the way I do auto x with the stock brakes and they work just fine.

[Gage]

if your not doing auto x then why do you think you need to spend any on the brakes?

Brake fade!


Originally Posted by FordNut http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=799349#post79 9349)
Best answer!
No. It can't be done.

You have to pay The Man to play with these cars.
I'll second that, get your wallet out..... unless you have your own machine shop.

I still have one of my stangs and after dealing with the multi part makers and comp that they all have I had no idea that a simple Rad for a stang would had 500 because is has MM on it! It's nuts. I don't want to AutoX but I do want to stop better.

Thanks guys. I just needed to know if I could do it a diff way.

[Todd TCE]

$1500 for a front kit in this market is quite reasonable. While you don't 'need' six pot calipers they are nice to have- or we can do four pot for less but space becomes an issue with your wheels.

Rear kits are as pricey as they are simply because of the complexity it is to produce it, not because it's worth so much. Blame that on Ford- they built that hokey rear caliper support bracket that needs to be removed, modified and retained. Truth is....this rear kit is a bit of a marvel to make that most other big shops would never undertake! Be even cheaper if you canned the p-brake and let me just do a simple bracket and alum hat.

[offroadkarter]

Brake fade!



How many 120-0 stops do you do on the way to work? Jeez, I've never had an issue with brake fade...


And no, mustang brakes wont fit... Nobody has done it, nobody will do it.

[Phrog_gunner]

How many 120-0 stops do you do on the way to work? Jeez, I've never had an issue with brake fade...

I'd say all of the pics of MM's smashed in the front is enough of a reason to upgrade brakes. You don't have to be doing 120 to have some dumba$$ pull out in front of you while driving and texting, doing makeup, eating breakfast and reading a book. It only takes once....

[Gage]

I'd say all of the pics of MM's smashed in the front is enough of a reason to upgrade brakes. You don't have to be doing 120 to have some dumba$$ pull out in front of you while driving and texting, doing makeup, eating breakfast and reading a book. It only takes once....

:) to funny! I like to put my makeup on at the same time I'm txting. Hit a clover or two and they fade! they suck.

[Spectragod]

Todd @ TCE can hook you up, brake fade will be gone and you will have all the pedal you ever needed/wanted/dreamed about.

Stopping is a good thing, my MM brakes left a little to be desired as well, I looked at several options, I drove my MM with just the front Wilwoods on it, that alone was at least 10,000% better, there was an improvement with the rears installed, but for me, the rear was purely for aesthetics. I hate for something to look as though you stopped a project mid way.

Do yourself a favor, buy a front kit from Todd, then report back, I'm sure it will satisfy your needs.

[blazen71]

Anything is possible. Don't be afraid to fab. your own parts to make the Mustang brakes work! All everyone is saying is the TCE and Baer kits are tried and true. Do you want to spend some dough on a kit that works or do you want to spend a bunch of time trying to make something work? It's up to you. No one has done a Mustang brake swap. Why don't you be the first.

[offroadkarter]

I'd say all of the pics of MM's smashed in the front is enough of a reason to upgrade brakes. You don't have to be doing 120 to have some dumba$$ pull out in front of you while driving and texting, doing makeup, eating breakfast and reading a book. It only takes once....


A brake upgrade isnt going to save you from being a dumbass and driving to close to the person infront of you either.

And besides, he's talking about getting brake fade like if he's getting that every day going to work, not getting cut off by people left and right.

And the majority of smashed up MM pics are from people speeding and flying into objects or other cars. I mean, some are even on the news

[Phrog_gunner]

A brake upgrade isnt going to save you from being a dumbass and driving to close to the person infront of you either.


A brake upgrade is also not going to save you from a moose jumping off a pirate ship and landing on top of your car. So what is your point?

Do you also argue that it's pointless to change your oil more often than the mfr says?? Some people just want a little extra insurance...whats wrong with that??

[SC Cheesehead]

A brake upgrade is also not going to save you from a moose jumping off a pirate ship and landing on top of your car. So what is your point?

Do you also argue that it's pointless to change your oil more often than the mfr says?? Some people just want a little extra insurance...whats wrong with that??

Yes........

[BigCars4Ever]

Wow, remind me never to ask about Mustang brakes.

[Black_Noise]

hey.... dont forget to never ask about mustang brakes

[offroadkarter]

Well i guess i just did the impossible

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e185/offroadkarter/ryanmm.jpg


Cobra brakes, on a MM! Zomg!

[RUSTY]

Good work, How hard was it?

[SC Cheesehead]

Big brakes like that, you gonna need bigger rims. ;)

http://www.101modifiedcars.com/modified-cars-pictures/honda/cr-v/honda-crv-third-generation-absolute-apk-24-inch-black-rims-wanli-s-1089-performance-tires-275-25-zr24.jpg

[ctrlraven]

Well i guess i just did the impossible

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e185/offroadkarter/ryanmm.jpg


Cobra brakes, on a MM! Zomg!
I'm guessing you went with the 4 wheel steering option also cause the rear wheel is turned inward lol. Not a half bad photoshop.

[O's Fan Rich]

Well i guess i just did the impossible

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e185/offroadkarter/ryanmm.jpg


Cobra brakes, on a MM! Zomg!

You are a Tease......

[Gage]

WOW I GUESS HELL HAS COME TO MINNESOTA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! MUSTANG BRAKES ON A MM

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59746

http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/sho...447#post862447 (http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/showthread.php?p=862447#post86 2447)

[FordNut]

I am looking for SSBC, AP or brembo so do you have an answer or ?

HAS THIS BEEN DONE?
MUSTANG

So are you asking about SSBC, AP, or Brembo?
When you posted this, the correct answer: no it has not been done.


WOW I GUESS HELL HAS COME TO MINNESOTA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! MUSTANG BRAKES ON A MM

Well whoopdie doo.

Now it has been done. Go ahead and duplicate it...

The Baer fronts with upgraded rotors from DBA is a better option.

[BobC]

Zack,

In case I missed it, what year(s) Cobra should I look for?

Thankee.

[Zack]

Zack,

In case I missed it, what year(s) Cobra should I look for?

Thankee.

03-04 Cobra or Mach1

Dont even start unless you are fully capable of welding or spot welding at the very least.
And a huge piece of advice:
Built your own brake lines from Summit or Jegs! You will save a lot of grief and building your own brake lines are far cheaper than any pre-made pieces (which are non existent for Mustang brakes on the MM)

I heavily modded a set of factory stock rubber lines to work on my car

[RR|Suki]

WOW I GUESS HELL HAS COME TO MINNESOTA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! MUSTANG BRAKES ON A MM

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59746

http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/sho...447#post862447 (http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/showthread.php?p=862447#post86 2447)

lol so go do it :lol:

[Vortech347]

Putting brakes designed for a 3800lb car onto a 4500lb car for a "performance" updgrade is a bad idea.

[Zack]

Putting brakes designed for a 3800lb car onto a 4500lb car for a "performance" updgrade is a bad idea.

Until you do it yourself and see that is actually works good.

[johnnyrauder]

whats wrong with oem breakes

[Zack]

Putting brakes designed for a 3800lb car onto a 4500lb car for a "performance" updgrade is a bad idea.


Id like to make an intelligent argument if I may....

When I think of 'performance' I think of road courses or autocrossing. Less than 1% of MM owners do that. All I set out to do was make the front brakes better than stock, and I achieved it based on, well, how the car stops!

Another thing to consider, and lets do a little comparing...

Wildwood Brakes: 13" rotor. Pads smaller than OEM. 6 Piston Caliper
Baer Brakes: 14: Rotor. Pads about the same size as OEM. 2 Piston Caliper
Mustang Brakes: 13" rotor. Pads smaller than OEM. 2 piston caliper.

You know what I see above? No company ever made a 'kit' for the Marauder. They are all flawed in many ways if you always take the 4500lb factor into the equation.

What I have created is a similar copy of the Wildwood kit... that has better clamping force and braking than OEM, regardless of size. And while the 6 piston Wildwoods are clamping down on those small pads (heating them up quickly at that) my kit is not putting the smaller pad to its breaking point...yet stopping the car WAY better than OEM.

How something will work 'in theory' is different than in real life, lets not forget that.

[Vortech347]

I open track and auto-x frequently along with trips to Bonneville...

The Mustangs I own have the PBR/cobra style brakes on them. On the fox. They're pretty soild. Thats a 3200lb car. On our 01' Cobra, They work well but could DEFINATLY be better. My MM After one REALLY nasty hot lap the brakes are pretty much toast on a 4.5 mile track. (If I granny it I'm sure they won't cook but who the hell goes to a track to ease around it) Also your not factoring in width/weight of the rotors as well. More metal more heat disapation.

"Performance" to me is driving up a nice 5000ft rise in elevation cayon road with spirit and coming back down in confidence. Scott and Jason live here and know the exact bad ass roads we have to play on.

You wana see brakes designed for a 4500lb car. Look at a BMW 7 series brakes. Now thats a braking system with teeth. The rear rotors on those cars are BIGGER than our fronts by far.

If you want to make a good brake solution Mount up some GT500 Brembo's. I just installed a set on my fathers 05' and THATS a beefy brake setup designed to stop a 4000lb car.

The PBR/Cobra switch is mearly cosmetic. If you did some actual hot lap before/after stops I'll bet the factory ones would be just as good. Not Just "butt dyno" on a few cold stops.

7 series brake rotor size. Also look at the AMG's
Front Brake Rotor Diam x Thickness (in): 14.7 x - TBD -
Rear Brake Rotor Diam x Thickness (in): 14.5 x - TBD -

http://www.buyfordracing.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=6 74cPath=6

Those would be an upgrade.

[Zack]

Im in the hunt for GT500 brakes, trust me. And I agree those would be the ticket.

Remember though, I do a lot of modifications for the fun of it and to see if I 'can pull it off'

This conversion is in no way a good idea for the general population, based on the bracket modifications involved. Its good for me though :D

[Vortech347]

To do this mod and expect to stop better road/track racing or going down any type of steep grade (canyon) driving at speed with the confidence of "upgraded brakes" your asking for trouble.

Every gear head does stuff to see if they can pull it off. Others just pay people to do it (98% of people on this forum)

If you want to do a real test find someone else with an MM. Rail on the brakes for 10 60-0 stops. Then mark off an area and have at it. Nothing tells facts better than data.

[Zack]

To do this mod and expect to stop better road/track racing or going down any type of steep grade (canyon) driving at speed with the confidence of "upgraded brakes" your asking for trouble.

Every gear head does stuff to see if they can pull it off. Others just pay people to do it (98% of people on this forum)

If you want to do a real test find someone else with an MM. Rail on the brakes for 10 60-0 stops. Then mark off an area and have at it. Nothing tells facts better than data.

Good idea!
Cant wait til its warm out. :bigcry:

[Vortech347]

Agreed, This cold weather sucks donkey nuts.

[CBT]

Agreed, This cold weather sucks donkey nuts.

I was staying out this because it was technical in nature, but this made me bust out laughing.

[Gage]

So are you asking about SSBC, AP, or Brembo?
When you posted this, the correct answer: no it has not been done.


Well whoopdie doo.

Now it has been done. Go ahead and duplicate it...

The Baer fronts with upgraded rotors from DBA is a better option.


Thats your opinon! :lol:

[FordNut]

Thats your opinon! :lol:

Yep, same calipers and pads but bigger rotors. Better.

[Zack]

I too agree the Baers are the best choice for the MM.
They really fumbled the ball with the rotors though

[Gage]

I too agree the Baers are the best choice for the MM.
They really fumbled the ball with the rotors though

I agree!!!



Yep, same calipers and pads but bigger rotors. Better.


AGAIN I don't like Wilwoods or Bear why is this hard to understand? Stoptech, Brembo, SSBC.... ALSO Money and avail were the org question. Please reread. :shake:

[FordNut]

AGAIN I don't like Wilwoods or Bear why is this hard to understand? Stoptech, Brembo, SSBC.... ALSO Money and avail were the org question. Please reread. :shake:

I thought we covered that way back... NO, there is no Brembo, SSBC, or Stoptech upgrade for the Marauder.

[Gage]

I thought we covered that way back... NO, there is no Brembo, SSBC, or Stoptech upgrade for the Marauder.


Man Nut if i have a mustang conv it wouldn't matter! Please reread, this is why I asked this in the first place! I don't LIKE baer or Wilwood so I want to do a conv to allow me to use a MUSTANG brake setup to get more product avail.

If I had a setup to use a mach1 or whatever I could get a SSBC, Brembo or Stoptech right? "I thought we covered that way back... " :shake:

[Zack]

Man Nut if i have a mustang conv it wouldn't matter! Please reread, this is why I asked this in the first place! I don't LIKE baer or Wilwood so I want to do a conv to allow me to use a MUSTANG brake setup to get more product avail.

If I had a setup to use a mach1 or whatever I could get a SSBC, Brembo or Stoptech right? "I thought we covered that way back... " :shake:

Either duplicate what I did or make the GT500 brakes fit.
/Thread!

[MrBluGruv]

^ +1. This thread is pointless and has been for a while.


Personally, I've never actually had issues with the stopping power of my brakes, maybe once when I had to slow to a near stop from 40 after an old man pulled out in front of me at a crawl with maybe 30-50 yards of distance? I nearly swerved off the road to do it, but I barely stopped it. Either way, as I was saying, stopping power hasn't really been the issue, but rotor warp has, even though my pads seem to be fine my rotors NEED to be swapped, and I'll be getting OE replacement rotors to do it.

[Gage]

^ +1. This thread is pointless and has been for a while.


Personally, I've never actually had issues with the stopping power of my brakes, maybe once when I had to slow to a near stop from 40 after an old man pulled out in front of me at a crawl with maybe 30-50 yards of distance? I nearly swerved off the road to do it, but I barely stopped it. Either way, as I was saying, stopping power hasn't really been the issue, but rotor warp has, even though my pads seem to be fine my rotors NEED to be swapped, and I'll be getting OE replacement rotors to do it.



Good for you!

[MrBluGruv]

I know that wasn't a dig, cause I mean, YOU of all people would have no room to make a dig at someone in this thread...

[Zack]

Alright guys, time to put on the BRAKES :lol:

[Gage]

I know that wasn't a dig, cause I mean, YOU of all people would have no room to make a dig at someone in this thread...



Me? I have plenty of room, It cant be done right? No one would ever do it right? Whats Brake Fade? how many 120-0 stops do I do?

There was a purpose of me asking this question so Stick with your Glasspacks, I started this thread You added nothing to this post nor have any opinon other than OEM is fine! Some people do things for themselves and think out of the box. How many dumb posts do you have out there that are POINTLESS?

Do you know what the term Separate Reality means?

[MrBluGruv]

lol, you're nuts guy. You lost your relevance to post when people answered your question (which yes, was valid, but your non-stop argument about how it should and does exist after half the people said it didn't and the other half didn't care made it a moot point). I don't even understand why you're so intense about making this happen anyways if it's just a matter of budget. You're either going to have to work hard or buy a kit, which if you don't have experience or straight up cash means it's probably not gonna happen for you. Do you feel happy for yourself that Zack made it happen? Get over it.

I don't know what your getting at with the glasspacks remark, but whatever, pretty much everything you commented after that trailed off into nothing.

[FordNut]

I've got a great idea! How about Gage design adapter brackets to fit the superior brakes from a GT500 on our cars!



Then if it works good, maybe somebody can copy it and undercut your price.

[Gage]

lol, you're nuts guy. You lost your relevance to post when people answered your question (which yes, was valid, but your non-stop argument about how it should and does exist after half the people said it didn't and the other half didn't care made it a moot point). I don't even understand why you're so intense about making this happen anyways if it's just a matter of budget. You're either going to have to work hard or buy a kit, which if you don't have experience or straight up cash means it's probably not gonna happen for you. Do you feel happy for yourself that Zack made it happen? Get over it.

I don't know what your getting at with the glasspacks remark, but whatever, pretty much everything you commented after that trailed off into nothing.


I'm nuts? You first sentence trailed off and rambled on. It's not a Budget issue I don't like the options that are out there.

As I know how to weld I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if someone had done it.

I have been a member for 3 years soooo don't tell me I have no room for anything.

The glasspack remark is for your Pointless custom exhaust/mufflers video you have. I wouldn't have to ask if I wanted to go with what's out there because I know how to use the search button!




"FORDnut I've got a great idea! How about Gage design adapter brackets to fit the superior brakes from a GT500 on our cars!

Then if it works good, maybe somebody can copy it and undercut your price."

Not sure how as I would never sell them! So they wouldn't have a price I think you have me confused with someone else.

[FordNut]

I'm nuts? You first sentence trailed off and rambled on. It's not a Budget issue I don't like the options that are out there.

As I know how to weld I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if someone had done it.

I have been a member for 3 years soooo don't tell me I have no room for anything.

The glasspack remark is for your Pointless custom exhaust/mufflers video you have. I wouldn't have to ask if I wanted to go with what's out there because I know how to use the search button!




"FORDnut I've got a great idea! How about Gage design adapter brackets to fit the superior brakes from a GT500 on our cars!

Then if it works good, maybe somebody can copy it and undercut your price."

Not sure how as I would never sell them! So they wouldn't have a price I think you have me confused with someone else.

That little + sign button works really good for multi-quotes...

[FordNut]

Not sure how as I would never sell them! So they wouldn't have a price I think you have me confused with someone else.

So you expect everybody else do do the design and innovation for you and you don't plan to do anything at all to contribute to the MM community?

[Gage]

So you expect everybody else do do the design and innovation for you and you don't plan to do anything at all to contribute to the MM community?


Nope I was hoping to just buy stuff off the counter and plug it in! HERES YOUR SIGN!

[FordNut]

Nope I was hoping to just buy stuff off the counter and plug it in!

So you want a Baer kit.

[Gage]

That little + sign button works really good for multi-quotes...


That little + sign button works really good for multi-quotes...

[Gage]

So you want a Baer kit.


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–noun 1.harsh or bitter derision or irony.2.a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

[Vortech347]

It went from techical to ******** in a matter of an hour.

Anyone want a rear mount turbo setup?

[fastblackmerc]

I'm confused, what are we talking about here?

I'm assuming "brakes", and is so, is the question OEM replacements, upgrades to Baers, etc? If upgrades, a couple grand is the average cost, isn't it?

For the front only.

[fastblackmerc]

4k is easy!

$1479+$1929=$3700 for the "basic" kit



Are you drunk? Have you ever lifted a 6 piston cal? Also BOTH kits have the same cast rotors it just happend to Bigger where it counts on the FF kit!



MUSTANG
(INC AP1401XS / D1082HPS)05-08++AP BRAKE SYSTEMFRONT / REARBLK4-PISTON2PC14"Cross-Drilled / SlottedAP4400.01$2,547


I couldn't do a cut and paste but check this kit for Front and rear out for 14" 2pc disk and 4 piston for 2500.

http://www.livermoreperformance.com/mustang_brake_kits.html

1200 for bear and how much for the rest? I am looking for SSBC, AP or brembo so do you have an answer or ?

HAS THIS BEEN DONE?
MUSTANG
The six piston calipers are very light. The rotors are 2 piece units, again very light.

[fastblackmerc]

Todd @ TCE can hook you up, brake fade will be gone and you will have all the pedal you ever needed/wanted/dreamed about.

Stopping is a good thing, my MM brakes left a little to be desired as well, I looked at several options, I drove my MM with just the front Wilwoods on it, that alone was at least 10,000% better, there was an improvement with the rears installed, but for me, the rear was purely for aesthetics. I hate for something to look as though you stopped a project mid way.

Do yourself a favor, buy a front kit from Todd, then report back, I'm sure it will satisfy your needs.
+1 :up: :up:

[Gage]

It went from techical to ******** in a matter of an hour.

Anyone want a rear mount turbo setup?
true true.

[Zack]

I know this:

The Gage I am very fond of happens to be Cruztaker's son. :beer:

[-Matt-]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/xxshowstoppaxx/drama-llama.jpg

[ImpalaSlayer]

Anyone want a rear mount turbo setup?


ill take 2! run quad turbos feeding my t trim powered eaton! take that mm-mat!

[-Matt-]

ill take 2! run quad turbos feeding my t trim powered eaton! take that mm-mat!


Its Matt with two T's, ya prick


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/xxshowstoppaxx/1266205693729.gif

[ImpalaSlayer]

Its Matt with two T's, ya prick


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/xxshowstoppaxx/1266205693729.gif


my bad i thought i put 2

that pic is scary lol

[-Matt-]

my bad i thought i put 2

that pic is scary lol


You can always count on me to show you things you've never seen before.

In before "thats what she said"

[ImpalaSlayer]

You can always count on me to show you things you've never seen before.

In before "thats what she said"

so thats IBTWSS

[Gage]

Its Matt with two T's, ya prick


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/xxshowstoppaxx/1266205693729.gif



DANG it reminds me of the wireless french ad they have on TV. Bl bulb bulb bll can I save this as a dreamscene? lol;

[-Matt-]

so thats IBTWSS


no...... IB4TWSS :D

[BobC]

03-04 Cobra or Mach1

Dont even start unless you are fully capable of welding or spot welding at the very least.
And a huge piece of advice:
Built your own brake lines from Summit or Jegs! You will save a lot of grief and building your own brake lines are far cheaper than any pre-made pieces (which are non existent for Mustang brakes on the MM)

I heavily modded a set of factory stock rubber lines to work on my car

I would do the setup and then farm out the welding to a really competant tech. The rest of the stuff, I could do.

Are you using the stockers in the rear?

Are the brackets cast steel? or?

So, except for some misc. hardware and brake lines, the only expense is the junk (salvage) yard rotors and calipers?

[Zack]

I would do the setup and then farm out the welding to a really competant tech. The rest of the stuff, I could do.

Are you using the stockers in the rear?

Are the brackets cast steel? or?

So, except for some misc. hardware and brake lines, the only expense is the junk (salvage) yard rotors and calipers?

Currently I have the stockers on the rear.
Brackets ARE cast steel

You cant do this conversion unless you have the capability of spot welding while the brackets are mocked up on the car....period.

Used brake kits go for about 200-325 on Mustang sites. Hope this helped

[Phrog_gunner]

so wait let me get this right

1. you figure that those calipers and one piece rotors are lighter... unless you have specs that's kind of an odd thing to just say

2. you claim you can get the front and rear of that kit both 13" for $1600? errr $1900 sorry

3. what do those use, C5 vette pads? Then get the baer kit, same pads, and you get 2 piece rotors for your $1200. Oh and their 14" since you listed rotor size as one of your concerns with the Wilwood kit

The grammar messiah messed up? Say it ain't so.

[RR|Suki]

The grammar messiah messed up? Say it ain't so.

Actually, it was supposed to be "their kit uses". :beer:

[CBT]

the grammar messiah messed up? Say it ain't so.
........
18775

[ImpalaSlayer]

........
18775

hahahahaha

that movie WINS!

[CBT]

hahahahaha

that movie WINS!

I thought it was excellent, a great "what if" type movie. Bad assed right up to and including the very end.

[ImpalaSlayer]

I thought it was excellent, a great "what if" type movie. Bad assed right up to and including the very end.

the best was whent hey tried to speak I-talian

[CBT]

the best was whent hey tried to speak I-talian
Lol, yeah man! For all the blood and guts, it had it's funny parts. I knew, KNEW that german sniper dude was not a good guy, felt sorry for ol' gal who owned the theater.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Lol, yeah man! For all the blood and guts, it had it's funny parts. I knew, KNEW that german sniper dude was not a good guy, felt sorry for ol' gal who owned the theater.

the "jew hunter" was the best character, with his big ass tobacco pipe

[BobC]

Currently I have the stockers on the rear.
Brackets ARE cast steel

You cant do this conversion unless you have the capability of spot welding while the brackets are mocked up on the car....period.

Used brake kits go for about 200-325 on Mustang sites. Hope this helped

Got it! Thanks.

[MrBluGruv]

I'm nuts? You first sentence trailed off and rambled on. It's not a Budget issue I don't like the options that are out there.

As I know how to weld I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if someone had done it.

I have been a member for 3 years soooo don't tell me I have no room for anything.

The glasspack remark is for your Pointless custom exhaust/mufflers video you have. I wouldn't have to ask if I wanted to go with what's out there because I know how to use the search button!




"FORDnut I've got a great idea! How about Gage design adapter brackets to fit the superior brakes from a GT500 on our cars!

Then if it works good, maybe somebody can copy it and undercut your price."

Not sure how as I would never sell them! So they wouldn't have a price I think you have me confused with someone else.


You're a trip man.

All I got to say to that, is "how hard do you find breathing with your nose so high up in the air?"

[Gage]

You're a trip man.

All I got to say to that, is "how hard do you find breathing with your nose so high up in the air?"

Yep I'm getting schooled by a 20 year old boy with glasspacks! Do you have air shocks in the back too? :lol:

[-Matt-]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2333/2176597606_b8997e9198.jpg?v=0

[MrBluGruv]

Yep I'm getting schooled by a 20 year old boy with glasspacks! Do you have air shocks in the back too? :lol:


Keep trying, I'll give you all the time you need. :)

[Phrog_gunner]

Actually, it was supposed to be "their kit uses". :beer:

Happens to the best of us. Sorry didn't mean to interrupt the cat fight again. Back on topic.

[Gage]

Happens to the best of us. Sorry didn't mean to interrupt the cat fight again. Back on topic.



No Drama cat fight here, People didn't and still don't understand why I'm thinking the way I am.

MM kits = more money + less options.
Must kit's = less money + many more options.

This has not been on topic for what... 4 pages? So no worries.

Remember OEM is the best and conv's can NEVER be done. Keep that in your wallet right in front of the CC and you will never go wrong.

Oh and I'm done with incoherent mumble so unless you want to add to this constructively people need to keep with the Wii.

[CBT]

No Drama cat fight here, People didn't and still don't understand why I'm thinking the way I am.

MM kits = more money + less options.
Must kit's = less money + many more options.

This has not been on topic for what... 4 pages? So no worries.

Remember OEM is the best and conv's can NEVER be done. Keep that in your wallet right in front of the CC and you will never go wrong.

Oh and I'm done with incoherent mumble so unless you want to add to this constructively people need to keep with the Wii.

You can't have it both ways (that's what she said), so which is it, can we derail the thread or not.

[BUCKWHEAT]

I'm interested in what are the state-of-the-art brakes after five years of MM-ing. I have 6-piston wilwoods on 14" rotors that were a prototype set. It is time for a replacement. I have tried to follow this thread through too much bravo sierra. To summarize my understanding: 1) Baer 13" off the shelf are the preferred after-market front set up, 2) No Mustang (or Shelby) set-up currently exists for the MM, and 3) no upgraded rears are generally purchased because of a) cost & b) marginal improvement.

What did I miss?

[FordNut]

I'm interested in what are the state-of-the-art brakes after five years of MM-ing. I have 6-piston wilwoods on 14" rotors that were a prototype set. It is time for a replacement. I have tried to follow this thread through too much bravo sierra. To summarize my understanding: 1) Baer 13" off the shelf are the preferred after-market front set up, 2) No Mustang (or Shelby) set-up currently exists for the MM, and 3) no upgraded rears are generally purchased because of a) cost & b) marginal improvement.

What did I miss?

The Baer is a 14". Wilwood has a 13" that fits with OEM wheels. The 14" Wilwood setup is probably the highest performance setup but won't fit with OEM wheels. Wilwood (Todd) once offered a rear setup, not sure if it's still available.

[Todd TCE]

I'd counter that you did not miss anything.

The only difference from what you have now and "todays" TCE14 is the rotor hat. It was enlarged for the market of larger rotors the past 4-5yrs. The root of this is sound other than maybe a slightly higher weight rotor.

Changes for the better will come from a pad change. You want more performance? Give up the desire for low dust, low noise pads. I'd have LOVED to have made a 14"kit the default kit years ago. But your wheels won't allow it. I'd LOVE to push you to a W6a caliper set up found on a Lightning or Charger or....but you really want to fit 1"+ wheel spacers?

Point is that the biggest problem with the MM remains your wheels. Same as it was years ago. I can build a bigger and better 14 x 1.300" wide W6a monster if one wants it. Good luck making it fit stock wheels! lol

[Vortech347]

Oh no, remove my stock wheels to stop better?

Good luck getting that to fly here. LOL