MMX Driveshaft F/S

[Blackmobile]

I have a MMX driveshaft for sale, that has been reconditioned (2 New U-joints installed). This came out of my 2000 CVPI, but I swapped it with my marauder DS. My CVPI won't be seeing massive high speeds like the Marauder did, so the marauder DS will stay installed. So I offer what I have up for sale for you speed demons :D, asking $200 + shipping or best offer. Here are some Pix:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/556/medium/Photo0063.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/556/medium/Photo0065.jpg

Here is a close-up of what curious minds want to see:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/556/medium/Photo0068.jpg

[LANDY]

i just paid $581 for one from dynotech a week ago.

hey someone needs to jump on it kwik, it does the same job for that price!

[offroadkarter]

200 bucks? Stranger in a black sedan got one for 65 dollars...

[Phrog_gunner]

200 bucks? Stranger in a black sedan got one for 65 dollars...

Yeah but his was cut the F up.....not serviceable....

[Blackmobile]

200 bucks? Stranger in a black sedan got one for 65 dollars...

Yeah, and if I remember right it was from a junk yard & it was damaged. Mine has no gouges in it and it has new U-joints.

[offroadkarter]

Yeah but his was cut the F up.....not serviceable....


IIRC he got a 2nd one

[offroadkarter]

Yeah, and if I remember right it was from a junk yard & it was damaged. Mine has no gouges in it and it has new U-joints.



Throw it on CVN, its one of those parts that people go crazy over, like MM airboxes and MAF's....

[Blackmobile]

Throw it on CVN, its one of those parts that people go crazy over, like MM airboxes and MAF's....

I try to take care of my Marauder family First. :beer:

Sale Pending!!!

[LANDY]

guys this is a good price if you love your marauder, and like going over 115mph wthout doing what i did. check it out on the broken tailshaft thread.

[Serge]

I gotta go into business selling these. I can get them dirt cheap.

[blazen71]

I gotta go into business selling these. I can get them dirt cheap.


Well, get me one!

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have a MMX driveshaft for sale, that has been reconditioned (2 New U-joints installed). This came out of my 2000 CVPI, but I swapped it with my marauder DS. My CVPI won't be seeing massive high speeds like the Marauder did, so the marauder DS will stay installed. So I offer what I have up for sale for you speed demons :D, asking $200 + shipping or best offer. Here are some Pix:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/556/medium/Photo0063.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/556/medium/Photo0065.jpg

Here is a close-up of what curious minds want to see:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/556/medium/Photo0068.jpg

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You may be wrong, please do not take offence, it is not a personal attack it is just simply the facts, this does not apear as a MMDS it looks like a standard aluminum drive shaft that is not even a 6061 T6 material, the MMDS is no longer made and has not been since late 2004, when the company that dynotech was buying the material from could no longer could supply it, so they went to the 4" 6061 T5. This drive is not rated for any thing above the stock PI speed limiter wich is 128 MPH. Below is a 6061 T5, Now Dyntoech did make a higher rated drive shaft in bulk for the Police agencies years ago and suspect thia is what this is, I will call Jim and ask him.


http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/misc/progress.gif

[babbage]

Umm hmm. It sure looks like one to me. Dennis it's out of a 2000. In 1999 and 2000 all P71 cars that came from the factory with 3.55 gears got the MMC shafts. This is fact.

That color code is correct.

None of the regular aluminum 6061 shafts will have the letters "MMC" on them.

MMC is an acronym that stands for "Metal Matrix Composite" which means it's a special blend of steel AND aluminum - Alcoa manufactured these shafts for Ford in 1999 and 2000. I'm not sure when they stopped making them - but it was due to costs. If it was a regular aluminum shaft it would not have the small letters "MMC" printed on it. Because it's not a composite, just plain alumimum. (very small font)


The DS I pulled out of a 99 P71 (3.55 rear diff tag) in the Yard had those exact same letters on it "MMC" and that color code - hence it IS a real Alcoa composite shaft. Just like the one blackmobile is selling.

Here is Ford Data on the Shafts:
maximum Critical Speed (16 inch wheels)
--------------------------------------
CVPI Amuminum Driveshaft 4.10 = 116mph
CVPI Amuminum Driveshaft 3.55 = 132mph
CVPI Amuminum Driveshaft 3.27 = 145mph
CVPI Amuminum Driveshaft 3.08 = 154mph
CVPI Metal/Matrix Driveshaft 4.10 = 133mph
CVPI Metal/Matrix Driveshaft 3.55 = 154mph
CVPI Metal/Matrix Driveshaft 3.27 = 167mph
CVPI Metal/Matrix Driveshaft 3.08 = 177mph


This is not a personal attack - just facts. Please explain why you think it isn't a MMC shaft??

[Blackmobile]

.

You are absolutley wrong, please do not take offence, it is not a personal attack it is just simply the facts, this is not a MMDS it is a standard aluminum drive shaft that is not even a 6061 T5 material, the MMDS is no longer made and has not been since late 2004, when the company that dynotech was buying the material from could no longer could supply it, so they went to the 4" 6061 T5. This drive is not rated for any thing above the stock PI speed limiter wich is 128 MPH. Below is a 6061 T5

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Dennis,
So you're saying a driveshaft marked MMC doesn't mean Metal Matrix Composite and couldn't be in a 2000 CVPI?

[Blackmobile]

Umm hmm. It sure looks like one to me. Dennis it's out of a 2000. In 1999 and 2000 all P71 cars that came from the factory with 3.55 gears got the MMC shafts. This is fact.

That color code is correct.

None of the regular aluminum 6061 shafts will have the letters "MMC" on them.

MMC is an acronym that stands for "Metal Matrix Composite" which means it's a special blend of steel AND aluminum - Alcoa manufactured these shafts for Ford in 1999 and 2000. I'm not sure when they stopped making them - but it was due to costs. If it was a regular aluminum shaft it would not have the small letters "MMC" printed on it. Because it's not a composite, just plain alumimum. (very small font)


The DS I pulled out of a 99 P71 (3.55 rear diff tag) in the Yard had those exact same letters on it "MMC" and that color code - hence it IS a real Alcoa composite shaft. Just like the one blackmobile is selling.

Here is Ford Data on the Shafts:
maximum Critical Speed (16 inch wheels)
--------------------------------------
CVPI Amuminum Driveshaft 4.10 = 116mph
CVPI Amuminum Driveshaft 3.55 = 132mph
CVPI Amuminum Driveshaft 3.27 = 145mph
CVPI Amuminum Driveshaft 3.08 = 154mph
CVPI Metal/Matrix Driveshaft 4.10 = 133mph
CVPI Metal/Matrix Driveshaft 3.55 = 154mph
CVPI Metal/Matrix Driveshaft 3.27 = 167mph
CVPI Metal/Matrix Driveshaft 3.08 = 177mph


This is not a personal attack - just facts. Please explain why you think it isn't a MMC shaft??

Yeah, Um what he said??? and Dennis, a phone call wouldn't hurt.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well they sure do not look the same, but again I could be wrong.


http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/556/medium/Photo0063.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1250396665-metalmatrixdriveshaft.jpg

[-Matt-]

they dont have to look the same to both be MMC.

[babbage]

Oh Ok. Dennis sells brand new MMC shafts from Dynotek. Which are very nice indeed, but it (they) are totally different brand wise than what we are talking about.

The MMC Shafts made by Alcoa for Ford most present in 99 and 2000 P71 with 3.55 gears are also MMC shafts. That is the misunderstanding.

[LANDY]

i dont know about the 1 that came on the CVs but i already love my dynotech and i have had it for a day.
LANDY the Cuban boy

[RR|Suki]

How can you say the look the same, trust me I can confidently state I probably know more about the drive shafts for the CV Mark 8 and T Bird and Marauder and Chevy SSR and Avalanche since I was the one that had them made by Dyno tech.


http://www.readthesmiths.com/articles/Images/Humor/Fail/1FAIL.jpg

He isn't claiming that he's selling a Dyno tech, what he is saying is that he is selling a factory composite shaft that came on the 99-2000 CVPI... It's been known for years that these cars have MMC shafts :shake:

[FordNut]

Last time I checked Dynotech no longer offers the MMC shafts. The only place I know of that you can get them is Mark Williams. They are not Marauder-specific, you have to give them the front & rear yoke specs and length.

[gdmjoe]

Blackmobile - Dennis,
So you're saying a driveshaft marked MMC doesn't mean Metal Matrix Composite and couldn't be in a 2000 CVPI?
If he ( Dennis ) does, he is WRONG.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I am not trying to sell a drive shaft I am trying to save your life or your transmission. But its is your car and and your life.

1. How tightly do they hold universal joint clearances?
Dynotech holds u-joint clearance to less than 0.002".

2. How tightly do they hold shaft runout?
Dynotech holds shaft runout to less than 0.010".

3. How tightly do they hold their balance specifications?
Dynotech balances all driveshafts to less than 0.20 oz-in

4. When you provide your builder with a shaft length, how closely will they match it?
Dynotech builds all shafts to within 1/16" (.0625"), guaranteed to fit!

5. What speeds do they balance their shafts at?
Dynotech has the capability to balance most shafts at up to 8,000 RPM

[-Matt-]

Gee do what ever you want, the drive shaft shown is standard CV aluminum shaft IT IS NOT MADE OUT OF COMPOSITE METAL MATRIX ALUMINUM. Or even 6061 T6 this shaft, NOT a MMDS. CVPI cars a speed limited just as a stock Marauder to 128 MPH, and the reason for this, is the drive shaft. So if you feel comfortable in driving at that speed with that shaft, have a great time, I am not trying to sell a drive shaft I am trying to save your life or your transmission. But its is your car and and your life.

1. How tightly do they hold universal joint clearances?
Dynotech holds u-joint clearance to less than 0.002".

2. How tightly do they hold shaft runout?
Dynotech holds shaft runout to less than 0.010".

3. How tightly do they hold their balance specifications?
Dynotech balances all driveshafts to less than 0.20 oz-in

4. When you provide your builder with a shaft length, how closely will they match it?
Dynotech builds all shafts to within 1/16" (.0625"), guaranteed to fit!

5. What speeds do they balance their shafts at?
Dynotech has the capability to balance most shafts at up to 8,000 RPM



Dennis, it says right on the shaft "MMC" All it sounds like is you trying to hock Dynotechs product. :shake::shake:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Dennis,
So you're saying a driveshaft marked MMC doesn't mean Metal Matrix Composite and couldn't be in a 2000 CVPI?


I will call Jim Vilapondo on Monday and ask him, then we will all know, I am saying this is a police shaft but it is not a MMDS that is all I am saying and this car still shuts down at 128 MPH, just calm down drink a cold coke. I am not trying to hock any thing. I am trying share with the club what I have known and done for years, and if I am wrong, I will post it, I hope you will not crucify me if I am.

[Blackmobile]

I will call Jim Vilapondo on Monday and ask him, then we will all know, I am saying this is a police shaft but it is not a MMDS that is all I am saying and this car still shuts down at 128 MPH, just calm down drink a cold coke. I am not trying to hock any thing. I am trying share with the club what I have known and done for years, and if I am wrong, I will post it, I hope you will not crucify me if I am.

You should know by now I hold no I'll will toward you Dennis, and will not crucify you if you are wrong. All I'm saying is that this topic could have been covered in a conversation between you and I. I will not mislead anyone on this issue mainly because all the information in identifying this DS I attained from this site. If it isn't a MMC drive shaft, I will not sell it as such. But I do find it interesting that the marking support the notion that it is a MMC from Alcoa, and it did come out of a CVPI, and that it is 9 years old (with New U-Joints). One more thing, Who the heck is Jim Vilapondo?
I shall be waiting for the results of your inquiry.

Ed

[sd8683]

Gee do what ever you want, the drive shaft shown is standard CV aluminum shaft IT IS NOT MADE OUT OF COMPOSITE METAL MATRIX ALUMINUM. Or even 6061 T6 this shaft, NOT a MMDS. CVPI cars a speed limited just as a stock Marauder to 128 MPH, and the reason for this, is the drive shaft. So if you feel comfortable in driving at that speed with that shaft, have a great time, I am not trying to sell a drive shaft I am trying to save your life or your transmission. But its is your car and and your life.

1. How tightly do they hold universal joint clearances?
Dynotech holds u-joint clearance to less than 0.002".

2. How tightly do they hold shaft runout?
Dynotech holds shaft runout to less than 0.010".

3. How tightly do they hold their balance specifications?
Dynotech balances all driveshafts to less than 0.20 oz-in

4. When you provide your builder with a shaft length, how closely will they match it?
Dynotech builds all shafts to within 1/16" (.0625"), guaranteed to fit!

5. What speeds do they balance their shafts at?
Dynotech has the capability to balance most shafts at up to 8,000 RPM

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/Pohaku66/fail/Fail-1.jpg

[Dennis Reinhart]

You should know by now I hold no I'll will toward you Dennis, and will not crucify you if you are wrong. All I'm saying is that this topic could have been covered in a conversation between you and I. I will not mislead anyone on this issue mainly because all the information in identifying this DS I attained from this site. If it isn't a MMC drive shaft, I will not sell it as such. But I do find it interesting that the marking support the notion that it is a MMC from Alcoa, and it did come out of a CVPI, and that it is 9 years old (with New U-Joints). One more thing, Who the heck is Jim Vilapondo?
I shall be waiting for the results of your inquiry.

Ed



Jesus Ed I never put two and two together till now, this was never meant as a personal attack. I was trying to share information I thought this was what this site was about, had I known you would intrepid it this way I would have never posted it, we are friends, at least the last time I looked we were. So Jim Vilapondo is Dyno techs engineer and salesmen, so no, I did not think a PM was needed the whole thing has been misinterpreted and I am sorry. I will not post about drive shafts or tail shaft failures, I will post if I was wrong and if I am, the last time I looked I have not found any one that does not make a mistake once in awhile, like calling cops liars it was a poor choice of words and me saying you were wrong was a poor choice. I changed that 25 minutes ago.

[W4LTD]

Jesus Ed I never put two and two together till now, this was never meant as a personal attack. I was trying to share information I thought this was what this site was about, had I known you would intrepid it this way I would have never posted it, we are friends, at least the last time I looked we were. So Jim Vilapondo is Dyno techs engineer and salesmen, so no, I did not think a PM was needed the whole thing has been misinterpreted and I am sorry. I will not post about drive shafts or tail shaft failures, I will post if I was wrong and if I am, the last time I looked I have not found any one that does not make a mistake once in awhile, like calling cops liars it was a poor choice of words and me saying you were wrong was a poor choice. I changed that 25 minutes ago.

Well, now you have have found someone -- ME -- I never make misteaks! ;)

[-Matt-]

Well, now you have have found someone -- ME -- I never make misteaks! ;)


Other then the spelling of "mistake"

[Blackmobile]

Well, now you have have found someone -- ME -- I never make misteaks! ;)


Other then the spelling of "mistake"

I didn't even notice notice the misspelled word word. ;)

[W4LTD]

Well, now you have have found someone -- ME -- I never make misteaks! ;)


Other then the spelling of "mistake"

Hence, the "wink" ;)

[-Matt-]

So has this thing sold yet? lol

[Blackmobile]

sale pending shipping charge info, to be gotten tomorrow.

[Blackmobile]

Jesus Ed I never put two and two together till now, this was never meant as a personal attack. I was trying to share information I thought this was what this site was about, had I known you would intrepid it this way I would have never posted it, we are friends, at least the last time I looked we were. So Jim Vilapondo is Dyno techs engineer and salesmen, so no, I did not think a PM was needed the whole thing has been misinterpreted and I am sorry. I will not post about drive shafts or tail shaft failures, I will post if I was wrong and if I am, the last time I looked I have not found any one that does not make a mistake once in awhile, like calling cops liars it was a poor choice of words and me saying you were wrong was a poor choice. I changed that 25 minutes ago.


Dennis, this site IS about sharing information, so post what you like about any topic. You have shown many of us much info, and I'll guess we (The members) have shown you a thing or 2. It's a give and take, so don't let me be the one responsible for you holding your tongue, my friend.
Just watch where you throw those hand grenades.:beer:

[CBT]

Other then the spelling of "mistake"

Doh!......

[Dennis Reinhart]

Other then the spelling of "mistake"


I will drink a cold coke for all of us, I hope every one had a good weekend and those close to Panhandle weather the storm.

[in2deep]

This thread is amusing.
I havent been on here very long, but Ive been searching forums and learning the history of members and gaining good knowledge about this car.

One thing that jumps oyt at me is this Dennis Reinheart guy. Apparently he was a vendor, but no longer? Claims to be the authority on Panther platform cars, but doesnt know about the MMX Police Driveshaft? Come on, read this straight from Ford:
• CALIBRATION—MAXIMUM SPEED RECALIBRATION Article No.
TO 126 MPH (202 KM/H)—CROWN VICTORIA 99-18-1
POLICE VEHICLES BUILT THROUGH 7/30/1999
ONLY
• TRANSMISSION—4R70W—VIBRATION/FLUID LEAK
AT EXTENSION HOUSING—CROWN VICTORIA
POLICE VEHICLES BUILT THROUGH 7/30/1999
ONLY
FORD: 1999 CROWN VICTORIA
ISSUE 3. Replace the Extension Housing Assembly
Some 1999 Crown Victoria Police vehicles may (F5UZ-7A039-A) and Extension Housing Gasket
exhibit a vibration and/or transmission fluid leak (F7AZ-7086-A) following the procedure outlined
from the extension housing seal area. This may be in the Workshop Manual.
due to extended high speed operation which may 4. If the vehicle is equipped with an aluminum
cause the extension housing bushing or seal to driveshaft, the driveshaft must be replaced with
walk/spin out due to excessive driveshaft flexing. the revised MMC Driveshaft (XW7Z-4602-AA).
ACTION NOTE
Inspect the extension housing bushing. If the THE INDEX MARKS ON THE OUTPUT SHAFT,
extension bushing/seal is spun and/or has walked DRIVESHAFT, AND REAR AXLE MUST BE
out, replace the extension housing assembly and ALIGNED. THE BALANCE MARK ON THE
gasket. Verify the vehicle has “GNX” level rear OUTPUT SHAFT AND THE BALANCE MARK ON
springs and that the revised Metal Matrix Composite THE DRIVESHAFT MUST BE ALIGNED (FIGURE
(MMC) driveshaft is installed. The revised driveshaft 1). FURTHER, ALIGNMENT OF THE INDEX
does not flex as much during sustained high speed MARKS ON THE REAR DRIVESHAFT TUBE AND
operation and should reduce the possibility of fluid REAR AXLE FLANGE MUST BE PERFORMED
leaks. Refer to the following Service Procedure for (FIGURE 2).
details .
5. If the vehicle is equipped with “EPS” level rear
SERVICE PROCEDURE springs, replace the rear springs with the
1. Raise the vehicle on a hoist and inspect the revised “GNX” level Springs (F8AZ-5560-GA).
transmission extension bushing for damage and Refer to the Workshop Manual for details.
transmission fluid leaking from the extension 6. Using New Generation Star (NGS) Tester,
housing seal area. In addition, verify that the check the Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
vehicle is equipped with the MMC driveshaft calibration. Refer to Step 7.
and the latest level coil springs (GNX). The
MMC driveshaft can be identified by the 7. Access PCM, select “MODULE I.D.”. If the
pink/green stripes around the driveshaft tube. module part number is XW7F-CE then the
The aluminum driveshaft will have vehicle has the latest level calibration
pink/blue/orange stripes. (9VNA-AA) with a vehicle maximum speed of
202 km/h (126 mph). Do not reprogram the
2. If the bushing is found to be damaged, remove PCM. If the module I.D. is not XW7F-CE,
the driveshaft and transmission extension reprogram the PCM to the latest level
housing per the appropriate Workshop Manual (9VNA-AA) using an NGS Tester or Service
Section. Bay Diagnostic System (SBDS).
8. Verify transmission fluid level.
PROOF 2-MAR-00 88-5150 88-5150 PAGE 1

(Sorry for the copy and paste)


So now that we have put the MMX issue to bed, how is this guy allowed to get Vendor Reviews of he is not a Vendor?
And short of him advertising his Business name in a lot of strategic posts, how are his posts not 100% free advertising.

Anyone else see this?

[-Matt-]

This thread is amusing.
I havent been on here very long, but Ive been searching forums and learning the history of members and gaining good knowledge about this car.

One thing that jumps oyt at me is this Dennis Reinheart guy. Apparently he was a vendor, but no longer? Claims to be the authority on Panther platform cars, but doesnt know about the MMX Police Driveshaft? Come on, read this straight from Ford:
• CALIBRATION—MAXIMUM SPEED RECALIBRATION Article No.
TO 126 MPH (202 KM/H)—CROWN VICTORIA 99-18-1
POLICE VEHICLES BUILT THROUGH 7/30/1999
ONLY
• TRANSMISSION—4R70W—VIBRATION/FLUID LEAK
AT EXTENSION HOUSING—CROWN VICTORIA
POLICE VEHICLES BUILT THROUGH 7/30/1999
ONLY
FORD: 1999 CROWN VICTORIA
ISSUE 3. Replace the Extension Housing Assembly
Some 1999 Crown Victoria Police vehicles may (F5UZ-7A039-A) and Extension Housing Gasket
exhibit a vibration and/or transmission fluid leak (F7AZ-7086-A) following the procedure outlined
from the extension housing seal area. This may be in the Workshop Manual.
due to extended high speed operation which may 4. If the vehicle is equipped with an aluminum
cause the extension housing bushing or seal to driveshaft, the driveshaft must be replaced with
walk/spin out due to excessive driveshaft flexing. the revised MMC Driveshaft (XW7Z-4602-AA).
ACTION NOTE
Inspect the extension housing bushing. If the THE INDEX MARKS ON THE OUTPUT SHAFT,
extension bushing/seal is spun and/or has walked DRIVESHAFT, AND REAR AXLE MUST BE
out, replace the extension housing assembly and ALIGNED. THE BALANCE MARK ON THE
gasket. Verify the vehicle has “GNX” level rear OUTPUT SHAFT AND THE BALANCE MARK ON
springs and that the revised Metal Matrix Composite THE DRIVESHAFT MUST BE ALIGNED (FIGURE
(MMC) driveshaft is installed. The revised driveshaft 1). FURTHER, ALIGNMENT OF THE INDEX
does not flex as much during sustained high speed MARKS ON THE REAR DRIVESHAFT TUBE AND
operation and should reduce the possibility of fluid REAR AXLE FLANGE MUST BE PERFORMED
leaks. Refer to the following Service Procedure for (FIGURE 2).
details .
5. If the vehicle is equipped with “EPS” level rear
SERVICE PROCEDURE springs, replace the rear springs with the
1. Raise the vehicle on a hoist and inspect the revised “GNX” level Springs (F8AZ-5560-GA).
transmission extension bushing for damage and Refer to the Workshop Manual for details.
transmission fluid leaking from the extension 6. Using New Generation Star (NGS) Tester,
housing seal area. In addition, verify that the check the Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
vehicle is equipped with the MMC driveshaft calibration. Refer to Step 7.
and the latest level coil springs (GNX). The
MMC driveshaft can be identified by the 7. Access PCM, select “MODULE I.D.”. If the
pink/green stripes around the driveshaft tube. module part number is XW7F-CE then the
The aluminum driveshaft will have vehicle has the latest level calibration
pink/blue/orange stripes. (9VNA-AA) with a vehicle maximum speed of
202 km/h (126 mph). Do not reprogram the
2. If the bushing is found to be damaged, remove PCM. If the module I.D. is not XW7F-CE,
the driveshaft and transmission extension reprogram the PCM to the latest level
housing per the appropriate Workshop Manual (9VNA-AA) using an NGS Tester or Service
Section. Bay Diagnostic System (SBDS).
8. Verify transmission fluid level.
PROOF 2-MAR-00 88-5150 88-5150 PAGE 1

(Sorry for the copy and paste)


So now that we have put the MMX issue to bed, how is this guy allowed to get Vendor Reviews of he is not a Vendor?
And short of him advertising his Business name in a lot of strategic posts, how are his posts not 100% free advertising.

Anyone else see this?




http://files.pierrenel.co.uk/full_of_win.jpg

[cruzer]

My dear in2deep, you are very much "in too deep"..Yourr membership # is10,637---Dennis signed onto MM.net on July 7, 2002--he has probably done as much good for the Marauder community as anyone on the net. He was a vendor from the first, gave away superchargers to help finance the first Maraudervilles, until he could no longer put up with the static he was getting for sticking his neck out for us. Many of us owe our initial enthusiasm for the MM to Dennis' encouragement---sooooooooooo , until you can present equal verified experience with our particular specialty auto and have contributed at least 10% as much as Dennis, please watch making snide remarks about things you have absolutely no knowledge. And please don't take me on with flames--I am MM.net member # 92 and 80 years old--Welcome ( if you control your ego), Maury

[Dr Caleb]

My dear in2deep, you are very much "in too deep"..Yourr membership # is10,637---Dennis signed onto MM.net on July 7, 2002--he has probably done as much good for the Marauder community as anyone on the net. He was a vendor from the first, gave away superchargers to help finance the first Maraudervilles, until he could no longer put up with the static he was getting for sticking his neck out for us. Many of us owe our initial enthusiasm for the MM to Dennis' encouragement---sooooooooooo , until you can present equal verified experience with our particular specialty auto and have contributed at least 10% as much as Dennis, please watch making snide remarks about things you have absolutely no knowledge. And please don't take me on with flames--I am MM.net member # 92 and 80 years old--Welcome ( if you control your ego), Maury

+1. I've never dealt with Dennis, but he has busted his balls to help out our community. I'd forgive him this simple misunderstanding. His kind of community spirit buys a great deal of latitude.

[W4LTD]

My dear in2deep, you are very much "in too deep"..Yourr membership # is10,637---Dennis signed onto MM.net on July 7, 2002--he has probably done as much good for the Marauder community as anyone on the net. He was a vendor from the first, gave away superchargers to help finance the first Maraudervilles, until he could no longer put up with the static he was getting for sticking his neck out for us. Many of us owe our initial enthusiasm for the MM to Dennis' encouragement---sooooooooooo , until you can present equal verified experience with our particular specialty auto and have contributed at least 10% as much as Dennis, please watch making snide remarks about things you have absolutely no knowledge. And please don't take me on with flames--I am MM.net member # 92 and 80 years old--Welcome ( if you control your ego), Maury

(this is where it belongs) ;)
http://files.pierrenel.co.uk/full_of_win.jpg

[CBT]

I don't care if he personally hand built every Marauder, what is the outcome of this before some of us make a trip to the junkyard or spend hundreds extra on a "special" one?

[Krytin]

First of all - we don't have steel drive shafts in our cars from the factory. So half of that "paper" about critical driveline speeds really isn't directed at our application.
A straight, well balanaced aluminum DS like the one supplied from the factory will take most MM's to 140 mph even w/4.10's.
Bottom line is if you plan on running into tripple didgit MPH you should at least take your OEM shaft to a drive shaft shop that really can check balance and runout to make sure it is capable of turning at the rpm required. If the OEM is out of balance/true AND is incabable of being made right a new DS is in order.
People w/blowers who race or drive tripple digits regularly should probably skip the first part and go directly to a custom built shaft or the MMC that DR has offered.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

My second $65 MMC shaft is in perfect shape and it came with new U joints. I got a full refund for the first (damaged) one including shipping so wasting a week of my time to find a good one (Ebay) was worth it.

[in2deep]

I really dont care about anyone's feelings or member number.

Did anyone absorb the content of my post? If you read it, then re-read it, maybe you will understand it.

[Dennis Reinhart]

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You may be wrong, please do not take offense, it is not a personal attack it is just simply the facts, this does not appear as a MMDS it looks like a standard aluminum drive shaft that is not even a 6061 T6 material, the MMDS is no longer made and has not been since late 2004, when the company that dyno tech was buying the material from could no longer could supply it, so they went to the 4" 6061 T5. This drive is not rated for any thing above the stock PI speed limiter which is 128 MPH. Below is a 6061 T5, Now Unteach did make a higher rated drive shaft in bulk for the Police agencies years ago and suspect this is what this is, I will call Jim and ask him.


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ED I just spoke to Jim, at dyno tech. PM me I will give you his number. This a batterer shaft than the standard police issue it is not the same as the newer MMDS but it is a good shaft, so I was Partially wrong and I am sorry. MMDS has brand new yokes and brand new flanges Ford did not want to pay that, they balanced these shafts to 8000 RPM. but for for what you paid you got a good deal on the shaft. But is still speed limited to 128 MPH.

Now for the person that wrote the statement about me being a past vendor or even a owner. I still love this site I can post up protests and still will, and I will give advice on the phone all day long and here, it if that bothers you simply put me on your ignore list.

Your elegant write up stated the same thing as my critical drive line vibration Jerry helped me right five years ago, by the way he was the Ford engineer hat worked for Steve Babcock. I am sorry ed for the misunderstanding.

Your Dennis

[babbage]

I really dont care about anyone's feelings or member number.

Did anyone absorb the content of my post? If you read it, then re-read it, maybe you will understand it.

I understand that you and others are just plain rude, especially with the big in your face graphics. I doubt any of you would say that to Dennis in person. The Internet brings out the lame coward in some people. DR is a good guy and helps people out regardless if he is a vendor or not. How many times has he helped someone or answerd questions for free?

So he was unaware of the MMC shafts, big deal. Yes they exist, yes you can get them used. For a dealer who's in the business of upgrading cars does it make sense for him to sell used items like driveshafts? Probably not. It doesn't exactly scream "job done right" does it?

[Blackmobile]

ED I just spoke to Jim, at dyno tech. PM me I will give you his number. This a batterer shaft than the standard police issue it is not the same as the newer MMDS but it is a good shaft, so I was Partially wrong and I am sorry. MMDS has brand new yokes and brand new flanges Ford did not want to pay that, they balanced these shafts to 8000 RPM. but for for what you paid you got a good deal on the shaft. But is still speed limited to 128 MPH.

I am sorry ed for the misunderstanding.

Your Dennis

Thanks Dennis for clearing that up. And it makes sense...My MMC driveshaft is better than a stock aluminum, but not better that the new and improved MMDS, thus the reason I'm not trying to make a mint on it's sale. Your input will always be appreciated.

Ed

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thanks Dennis for clearing that up. And it makes sense...My MMC driveshaft is better than a stock aluminum, but not better that the new and improved MMDS, thus the reason I'm not trying to make a mint on it's sale. Your input will always be appreciated.

Ed

And your friendship means a lot mor to me/;)

[Dennis Reinhart]

I understand that you and others are just plain rude, especially with the big in your face graphics. I doubt any of you would say that to Dennis in person. The Internet brings out the lame coward in some people. DR is a good guy and helps people out regardless if he is a vendor or not. How many times has he helped someone or answerd questions for free?

So he was unaware of the MMC shafts, big deal. Yes they exist, yes you can get them used. For a dealer who's in the business of upgrading cars does it make sense for him to sell used items like driveshafts? Probably not. It doesn't exactly scream "job done right" does it?


Thank you this means a lot to me.

[CBT]

Interesting post/replies. So it has it's advantages, could you not 'upgrade' it with new yokes and still cut cost a little?

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

I found more than one good MMC shaft in the $50-75 range. If I really wanted to do the leg work I could probably make some money buying them and cleaning them up and reselling them, if I went to the trouble of properly ID'ing them since most junkyards don't want to take the time to read color codes and call you back. Actually I know of a guy who is trying to do this right now, not me... I don't have the time though. And properly reconditioning the shafts would at least involve checking them for straightness, so you'd need a buddy at a shop to spin all of them.

[Blackmobile]

Can I please go back to selling my Drive shaft without any more hoopla?
(Note to self, where in the world did that word come from?)

Ed

[-Matt-]

I understand that you and others are just plain rude, especially with the big in your face graphics.


For the record the "full of win" was for the info, not the **** talking

[in2deep]

I apologize for any factual insight I brought this thread.

[RR|Suki]

I understand that you and others are just plain rude, especially with the big in your face graphics. I doubt any of you would say that to Dennis in person.

That's a lot to assume, I for one am known for saying exactly what's on my mind and being quite blunt about it, so yeah...

furthermore, on the point of being rude, someone is trying to sell something. Without even knowing the facts another person comes in and tells everyone incorrectly that the OP is not really selling what he claims... claims to be the one who had them made etc etc etc... yeah that's a real stand up, not rude at all thing to do.

Get a grip

[MrBluGruv]

lol, don't get too caught up in yourself 2deep, I'm pretty sure there isn't gonna be much sympathy found for trying to make Dennis look bad.

[Blackmobile]

For the record the "full of win" was for the info, not the **** talking

Yeah, but that was wrong using Picard's image that way. I'm going to have to watch an episode with Picard and some Borg attachments just to clear your image from my memory.



I apologize for any factual insight I brought this thread.

No problem just brush up on your cut and paste abilities, did you read that thing, I'm still stuttering? Thanks for the info though.

Ed

[Dennis Reinhart]

I apologize for any factual insight I brought this thread.


No apology is needed, all of us here try to help.

[babbage]

That's a lot to assume, I for one am known for saying exactly what's on my mind and being quite blunt about it, so yeah...

furthermore, on the point of being rude, someone is trying to sell something. Without even knowing the facts another person comes in and tells everyone incorrectly that the OP is not really selling what he claims... claims to be the one who had them made etc etc etc... yeah that's a real stand up, not rude at all thing to do.

Get a grip

Yes, but you'll notice Dennis didn't just come in with a "Fail" graphic, he explained why he thought it wasn't what it was with details. I was the first one to call him on it and correct him. :argue:


Blackmobile did you sell it yet? I think it's a good deal.

Also the best place to get an old Ford Alcoa MMC balanced is Dennys Driveshaft. They spin them at 10K and use nice greaseless U's

[Dennis Reinhart]

Enough, I was just trying to explain the differences, I was not trying to cause this current pissing contest, or sell any thing, so here is what the Production manager just sent me, and as exactly as I said, these are not the same drive shafts, but for there price there better than OEM, Ed I am sorry, had I know you wrote this I would have never responded but it is still good info.


Here are some of the differences in this drive shaft and the shafts that were manufactured by Dynotech Engineering.



This shaft was manufactured and balanced on a production line with production equipment and production specifications at
Dynotech drive shafts are manufactured custom on balance equipment that was designed for high performance and with specifications that are in some cases less than half of a production spec and are balanced at between 5,000 to 7,000 rpm.


This shaft is manufactured with OEM style weld yokes which have a longer center line of u-joint to the point of weld.
Dynotech drive shafts are manufactured with custom designed weld yokes for high performance they have a shorter center line of u-joint to point of weld (weld yokes are stronger).

Typical OEM drive shaft specifications tube run outs between .015 and .030, u-joint clearance between .003 and .005 balance spec between .37 and .45 oz/in.
Typical Dynotech drive shaft specifications tube run outs between .015 or less, u-joint clearance between .002 or less balance spec .12 oz/in or less. The MMDS and the the new 4" 6061 T 6 are made out of T6 are balanced to 7000 RPM
Let me know if there is anything else you need. Try posting graphics four years, ago and see what happened then, but those days are gone by, like many of our quality members.

Ed I hope you sell the shaft, if not send it to me I will sell it as as a used part to one of the local CV guys.

[Blackmobile]

Blackmobile did you sell it yet? I think it's a good deal.



I just sent out the PM to the potential buyer with the shipping charges and am waiting for a reply.

Ed

[MM03MOK]

As soon as the drive shaft is confirmed sold, this thread is closing. Start another thread to discuss drive shafts outside of the Marketplace Forum, please.

[Blackmobile]

Enough, I was just rying to explain trhe differencers, I was not trying to cause this current pissing contest, or sell any thing, so here is wat the Production manager just sent me, and as excactly as I said, these are not the same drive shafts, but for there price there better than OEM, Ed I am sorry, had I know you wrote this I would have never responded but it is still good info.


Here are some of the differences in this driveshaft and the shafts that were manufactured by Dynotech Engineering.



This shaft was manufactured and balanced on a production line with production equipment and production specifications at
Dynotech driveshafts are manufactured custom on balance equipment that was designed for high performance and with specifications that are in some cases less than half of a production spec and are balanced at between 5,000 to 7,000 rpm.


This shaft is manufactured with OEM style weld yokes which have a longer center line of u-joint to the point of weld.
Dynotech driveshafts are manufactured with custom designed weld yokes for high performance they have a shorter center line of u-joint to point of weld (weld yokes are stronger).

Typical OEM driveshaft specifications tube run outs between .015 and .030, u-joint clearance between .003 and .005 balance spec between .37 and .45 oz/in.
Typical Dynotech druiveshaft specifications tube run outs between .015 or less, u-joint clearance between .002 or less balance spec .12 oz/in or less. The MMDS and the the new 4" 6061 T 6 are made out of T6 are ballanced to 7000 RPM
Let me know if there is anything else you need.

No problem, any factual info is good info. I actually think this topic needed to be brought out in the open, I just didn't believe it would be in the same thread where I was trying to sell one.

When I get conformation of the sale I'll post it up A.S.A.P.

Ed

[Blackmobile]

:bump::bump:

Look like the MMC driveshaft is Still up for sale.

[Dennis Reinhart]

:bump::bump:

Look like the MMC driveshaft is Still up for sale.


I will take it ED

[Blackmobile]

I will take it ED

You really don't have to, but if you want it send me a PM.

Ed

[Marauderjack]

As soon as the drive shaft is confirmed sold, this thread is closing. Start another thread to discuss drive shafts outside of the Marketplace Forum, please.

Whew.....I think it's time for a good ole "GROUP HUG"!!!!:eek: :D

[Blackmobile]

As soon as the drive shaft is confirmed sold, this thread is closing. Start another thread to discuss drive shafts outside of the Marketplace Forum, please.

You an close this thread, it appears this part isn't going anywhere. :(