5.4 Navigator Engine

[blackrauder]

:help:I want to know will this engine fit under my hood, I want serious answers please. Someone is selling one with forged internals. i want serious answers thank u

[offroadkarter]

http://mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56122

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e185/offroadkarter/Other%20pictures/2a8kq2q.gif

[blackrauder]

If I wanted to search I would have done this, dont be an A$$. i asked instead thank you search that!


http://mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56122

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e185/offroadkarter/Other%20pictures/2a8kq2q.gif

[FordNut]

Fits perfectly. Go for it. Do a writeup for us so we don't have to do a search.

[GordonB]

blackrauder,
I'll give you the very short answer to your question -- NO, it won't fit under the hood of an MM.
Now, if you want to research the topic in detail, pls be our guest. First problem is you need a NEW higher hood for engine clearance. Then there are other issues that you must overcome.
GordonB

[Benwin]

If I wanted to search I would have done this, dont be an A$$. i asked instead thank you search that!


lol... Quoted and sig'd

[DOOM]

GordonB to the rescue.
Getting a straight answer around here is like pulling teeth. :shake:

[Glenn]

It wouldn't FIT - repeat - will not FIT!!! Clear enough. A worked 4.6 with a SC is a much better answer.


Glenn :burnout:

[offroadkarter]

If I wanted to search I would have done this, dont be an A$$. i asked instead thank you search that!


Next time learn how to use a forum :rolleyes:

[FordNut]

It will fit. Cowl hood, aftermarket AC, modify ws wiper housing, swap brake booster to hydra-boost.

[bob6364]

It wouldn't FIT - repeat - will not FIT!!! Clear enough. A worked 4.6 with a SC is a much better answer.


Glenn :burnout:
Not sure what the hell you are talking about Glenn ...mine fit just Fine!!!
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/b/cbwatson/buickpics/616_LaterHoodBent.jpg

[DOOM]

Not sure what the hell you are talking about Glenn ...mine fit just Fine!!!
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/b/cbwatson/buickpics/616_LaterHoodBent.jpg

:eek:

:lol:

:laugh:

:shake:

[dohc324ci]

Now thats funny:lol: Thanks I needed that.

These articles help me go with my setup; take a look.

http://www.alternativeauto.com/prodserv/bigbore_page_1.html

http://50mustangsuperfords.automotiv. ..ild/index.html (http://50mustangsuperfords.automotive .com/83931/m5lp-0809-big-bore-modular-build/index.html)

[SpartaPerformance]

Will not fit with out a cowl hood. That and some new accessory brackets would be your biggest and most expensive issues. The 4r70w will bolt up 100% and will take the power of a 4v Nav motor even the wiring harness will work assuming there is enough slack in your to overcome the 5.4L deck height difference or you can just piece together one from the Nav. Personally a 331 stroked 4.6 block would be my choice check out D.S.S. for already done short blocks.

[RR|Suki]

Will not fit with out a cowl hood. That and some new accessory brackets would be your biggest and most expensive issues. The 4r70w will bolt up 100% and will take the power of a 4v Nav motor even the wiring harness will work assuming there is enough slack in your to overcome the 5.4L deck height difference or you can just piece together one from the Nav. Personally a 331 stroked 4.6 block would be my choice check out D.S.S. for already done short blocks.

I don't think you can get to 331 with a 4.6 mod motor

[O's Fan Rich]

If I wanted to search I would have done this, dont be an A$$. i asked instead thank you search that!

Wow!!!

I'll have to think on this.......

Edit:
You did see that he included a link to the latest ( one of many, I might add) thread on this subject?
No, you must not have. For then you would have offered your thanks instead of answering like an A$$ yourself..... right?

[rayjay]

I have a friend with a 5.4 32 valve Navigator. He is looking to upgrade the power plant. Is there a forum in cyber space for this? Lightning forum? IMHO, the 5.4 32v 4cammer should have been the engine in the Marauder from the git go...

[O's Fan Rich]

I have a friend with a 5.4 32 valve Navigator. He is looking to upgrade the power plant. Is there a forum in cyber space for this? Lightning forum?

Modularfords.com would be a big help, Ray....

[rayjay]

Modularfords.com would be a big help, Ray....

Thanks Rich, I'll relay the info.

[O's Fan Rich]

Thanks Rich, I'll relay the info.

Oh, and Ray.... maybe Trilogy can help?

[FordNut]

I don't think you can get to 331 with a 4.6 mod motor

Me either. 324 is the biggest I've heard of from a 4.6 block.

[rayjay]

Oh, and Ray.... maybe Trilogy can help?

Ya, I'm sure they can and he'd have no problem with the install either :coolman:

[blackrauder]

First of all its all said and done, I got my answers, fall back its a wrap
I said what I had to say aint crap u can do bout it. Maybe I wanted to ask the question myself and I will do so when I damn well please

Thank you all that answered my question


Wow!!!

I'll have to think on this.......

Edit:
You did see that he included a link to the latest ( one of many, I might add) thread on this subject?
No, you must not have. For
then you would have offered your thanks instead of answering like an A$$ yourself..... right?

[O's Fan Rich]

First of all its all said and done, I got my answers, fall back its a wrap
I said what I had to say aint crap u can do bout it. Maybe I wanted to ask the question myself and I will do so when I damn well please

Thank you all that answered my question

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[dohc324ci]

First of all its all said and done, I got my answers, fall back its a wrap
I said what I had to say aint crap u can do bout it. Maybe I wanted to ask the question myself and I will do so when I damn well please

Thank you all that answered my question

Can someone translate this:help: what you talking bout willis

[SC Cheesehead]

First of all its all said and done, I got my answers, fall back its a wrap
I said what I had to say aint crap u can do bout it. Maybe I wanted to ask the question myself and I will do so when I damn well please

Thank you all that answered my question

Yup, this is the kind of attitude and response that will get people jumping up and down to assit you.

Let me be the first; I'd love to help you out, which way did you come in? :rolleyes:

[RR|Suki]

Yup, this is the kind of attitude and response that will get people jumping up and down to assit you.

Let me be the first; I'd love to help you out, which way did you come in? :rolleyes:

lol +1 seriously, not even gonna bother looking around before asking what's been asked ad nauseam? Good luck getting answers that way :lol:

[MM_BKK]

:help:I want to know will this engine fit under my hood,


I would not let that very minor detail keep you from doing the swap.

If you have a vision and determination and some mad skills, you could put just about ANY motor of your choice in the MM.

[blackrauder]

I am not trying to come off as "rude", but the fact of the matter is that when you ask a question and ur not "buddy buddy" with certain people they tend to tell you in a nice way to piss off and search the forum. I have seen this happen to me and several other young members. My point was that if someone ask a question, why cant they just get an answer instead of someone saying search the forum. How about this is how, or better yet a yes or no and a simple explantion. This is not supposed to be a thread that hurts any bodies feelings, I jus would like my question to be answered minus the :bs:.

[RR|Suki]

I am not trying to come off as "rude", but the fact of the matter is that when you ask a question and ur not "buddy buddy" with certain people they tend to tell you in a nice way to piss off and search the forum. I have seen this happen to me and several other young members. My point was that if someone ask a question, why cant they just get an answer instead of someone saying search the forum. How about this is how, or better yet a yes or no and a simple explantion. This is not supposed to be a thread that hurts any bodies feelings, I jus would like my question to be answered minus the :bs:.

And if you can't bother searching your question to see if it's been answered 100 times, why should anyone bother answering? It's one thing to search and not find anything, but to say "I'm not gonna search just answer me... " I'm surprised you got any serious answers at all

[O's Fan Rich]

I am not trying to come off as "rude",

Too late.
And you are WRONG about getting help.

You'll have the chance to tell me your thoughts in person when we meet in OC in a few weeks.

[O's Fan Rich]

Let me know if you'll be there for sure.

Oh..... you'll be buying.

[Richy04]

How about swapping the frame to a 2002? I don't know if GM's came with air susp as an option, but the older frames will take the 5.4 from what I am told.. Just a thought..

BTW, My friend has an 01 Exped and blew the motor, they lifted the body off of the truck frame to change it. I will try to get the pics posted.

[blackrauder]

Chances r I will.


Let me know if you'll be there for sure.

Oh..... you'll be buying.

[SC Cheesehead]

How about swapping the frame to a 2002? I don't know if GM's came with air susp as an option, but the older frames will take the 5.4 from what I am told.. Just a thought..

BTW, My friend has an 01 Exped and blew the motor, they lifted the body off of the truck frame to change it. I will try to get the pics posted.

This is an interesting concept! I know the Panther platform's been around forever, I wondr how much the frame dimensions, general configuration have changed over that time? Body swap onto a different frame might work, would want to go with new suspension mods, brakes, etc.

[O's Fan Rich]

This is an interesting concept! I know the Panther platform's been around forever, I wondr how much the frame dimensions, general configuration have changed over that time? Body swap onto a different frame might work, would want to go with new suspension mods, brakes, etc.

Rex, I think the biggest difference is the x-member and the rack and pinion steering that came with it.
Along with "hydro forming" of the frame.
But, the large x-member in the 03 and up cars is the main thing, imo.....

The way the motor mounts sit on the x-member means a limit in the height adjustability for mounting the larger/taller 5.4 block and heads.
A 2 valve ( and perhaps a 3 valve ) would be easier than the bigger but WAY cooler 4v.

[SC Cheesehead]

Rex, I think the biggest difference is the x-member and the rack and pinion steering that came with it.
Along with "hydro forming" of the frame.
But, the large x-member in the 03 and up cars is the main thing, imo.....

The way the motor mounts sit on the x-member means a limit in the height adjustability for mounting the larger/taller 5.4 block and heads.
A 2 valve ( and perhaps a 3 valve ) would be easier than the bigger but WAY cooler 4v.

Gotcha.

But I REEEEEALLY gotta know, can it be done? ;)

[O's Fan Rich]

But I REEEEEALLY gotta know, can it be done? ;)

Wish I could help, but i don't know anything about these freakin' cars....

[fastblackmerc]

Gotcha.

But I REEEEEALLY gotta know, can it be done? ;)

Enough time

Enough money

Anything can be done!

[offroadkarter]

How about swapping the frame to a 2002? I don't know if GM's came with air susp as an option, but the older frames will take the 5.4 from what I am told.. Just a thought..

BTW, My friend has an 01 Exped and blew the motor, they lifted the body off of the truck frame to change it. I will try to get the pics posted.


This is an interesting concept! I know the Panther platform's been around forever, I wondr how much the frame dimensions, general configuration have changed over that time? Body swap onto a different frame might work, would want to go with new suspension mods, brakes, etc.



easier said than done, theirs alot of differences between an 02 and 03 panther.

I'm sure you'd enjoy the sloppier steering and ride.

And if swapping a 4.6 4v is more difficult to do in a 92-02 car than an 03+ car, why would anyone think putting a 5.4 4v in a 92-02 car would be easier?


and BTW, Rear air suspension has been around since the 1990 towncar

[Richy04]

Rear air suspension on Fords started way before that, the Mark VII LSC in the 80's had it. Most people would mod the suspension anyway on an older frame to make it righteous under a MM anyway. But thats a good time to add a 9 inch rear and all of the other goodies like bigger fuel lines, brakes etc..

BTW, the Eldorado Biarritz back in the late 50's had it too..

[FordNut]

It will fit fine, just do it! We've had plenty of run-of-the-mill mods already, time for something exotic!

[JUST 1BULLITT]

We're not the "Home of the Brave" for nothin' but this sounds like a daunting undertaking -- it WOULD make a pretty cool "Pimp my Ride" episode though... :lol: GOOD LUCK NO matter what! :beer:

[JUST 1BULLITT]

OH, and Air Suspension indeed WAS on Ford Products way before the 1990 Lincoln...my 1971 Marquis Brougham has it...granted it Sags a bit and leaks SOME if I don't drive it at least once a month! :bigcry:

[Richy04]

Here is the Ford Tool you will need for the 5.4 swap into the MM. Its also available from Snap-on and Matco as well.

http://i30.tinypic.com/16iz5ti.jpg

[-Matt-]

Here is the Ford Tool you will need for the 5.4 swap into the MM. Its also available from Snap-on and Matco as well.

http://i30.tinypic.com/16iz5ti.jpg




No No No...... this is the wrong one..... for the Fords he needs the BLUE one! The one you have pictured are for the bow ties.


http://www.sz-wholesale.com/uploadFiles/upimg9%5CShoe-horn_78109.jpg

[O's Fan Rich]

Nope,http://www.phisick.com/images/gyn/levrets-obstetric-forceps-100.jpg more like these.....

[SC Cheesehead]

Nope,http://www.phisick.com/images/gyn/levrets-obstetric-forceps-100.jpg more like these.....


Oooooh, that'll leave a mark....

[DOOM]

Nope,http://www.phisick.com/images/gyn/levrets-obstetric-forceps-100.jpg more like these.....

Is that some sort of testicle grabbing device???


:hide:

[SC Cheesehead]

Is that some sort of testicle grabbing device???


:hide:

Only if they come out breech....

[O's Fan Rich]

Is that some sort of testicle grabbing device???


:hide:

Doom.... wrong side of the coin, Bro.

[DOOM]

Doom.... wrong side of the coin, Bro.

:eek: :run: