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UncleLar
08-27-2009, 08:27 AM
Just came out with an article praising the new 4400# + Taurus SHO and basically called the Marauders slugs and a debacle by Ford.
Here's a copy and paste of the article.There's a place to leave your comments,these guys need waking up! :mad2: :flamer:

Third Look: 2010 Ford Taurus SHO

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Being part of the Taurus SHO enthusiast community for the last ten years, observing the development, launch, and acclimation of the new car has been a bit of a nail-biter. The last time Ford made a stink about a Blue Oval-based performance sedan was back in 2003 with the Mercury Marauder, and though the car was generally praised for its mass-defying handling characteristics, it was a dud in the straight-line performance department thanks to a high-revving mill that offered no low-end torque to speak of. As a result, big-horsepower Ford fanatics were left with a $35,000, Darth Vader edition Grand Marquis that was slower than a V-6 Honda Accord, and for a niche segment more interested in burnout contests and stoplight battles, the Marauder became a case study in how not to build a car for a specific enthusiast market. It was such a monumental disappointment that Ford virtually disappeared from the performance segment following the Marauder’s abbreviated two-year production run, relying solely on the retro-styled 2005 Mustang to sustain Ford’s entire enthusiast community.

So when Ford announced earlier this year it was resurrecting the Taurus SHO, eyebrows were raised across the motoring spectrum and especially within the Taurus SHO enthusiast community, who’ve long regarded themselves as Ford’s red-headed step-children. Spying the tiny turbos and listening to Ford engineers babble on about torque delivery and fuel economy at lengthy pre-launch events did little to quell concerns, leading more than a few folks to write the car off without so much as a test drive. Everyone knew that the new car was going to be much bigger—and heavier—than the original, but had Ford learned the lessons of the Marauder? Would Ford actually have the guts to build a sedan that once again equaled the Mustang GT in performance? Would this new vehicle Ford was calling its premium flagship “with attitude” be more than a few badges and some noise?

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2010 SHO and Bus

Despite hefting a mass nearly 200 pounds greater than the infamous two-ton Marauder, the $38,000 2010 Ford Taurus SHO succeeds in pretty much every aspect where the Marauder failed, most notably in the straight-line performance department thanks to a buffet of torque from the 3.5-liter, twin-turbo V-6. In many respects, the EcoBoost engine is actually the anti-SHO, delivering power from low to high in a linear rush as opposed to the high-revving, naturally-aspirated, Yamaha-based engines that SHO fans of old are so fond of. That shouldn’t suggest any sort of disappointment however; if the old SHO needed anything in the beans department it was more low-end muscle, and the new EcoSHO has it in spades. In fact, we reckon having so much torque on hand helps this 4300-pound, king-sized sedan feel much lighter than it really is. Credit also goes to the Germanesque suspension tuning, which delivers a very surprising balance of comfort, isolation, and athletic poise, even on the SHOs equipped with the more aggressive track package. Having seat time in both versions of the SHO, the suspension tweaks and 20-inch summer compound tires that accompany the track package will definitely appeal to the sportier of sport-sedan enthusiasts, though both cars are capable of inducing grins. The six-speed automatic is neither impressive nor disappointing, though having a manual mode that doesn’t automatically upshift at redline is at least a step above other manumatic offerings in the market. The push-pull paddle programming of the tranny seems contrary to the natural order however, and while it still doesn’t take the place of a real manual transmission, it’s at least marginally-enjoyable to operate. Plenty has been said about the smallish brakes, and though we journalists tend to push the limits during road tests more than the average car nut, we’d never the less like to see something a bit larger from the factory. Admittedly, most owners will likely never push this car hard enough outside a race track to really get the brakes cooking, but a car of this caliber should deliver on all fronts, not just a few.

Then again, Ford didn’t build the car for journalists. They built it for enthusiasts, and more specifically, SHO enthusiasts. The Ford PR machine hasn’t been shy about touting the enthusiast involvement in both the design and launch of the new SHO, but peer into that enthusiast window and you’ll find a polarizing division of classic SHO supporters who aren’t onboard with the new car. Not surprisingly, the vast majority of criticism stems from the sheer bulk of the thing, which dwarfs the original 1989 Taurus SHO by over 1100 pounds. Dig a bit deeper however and the discontent becomes something much more fundamental. The original SHO wasn’t about excess, or miles of sound-deadening material, or gimmicky plastic engine covers. It didn’t try to meet Audi or BMW on their turf by offering two tons of standard and optional equipment. It wasn’t over-engineered; it offered performance enthusiasts an outstanding combination of a great engine in a solid platform, operated through a basic mechanical interface free of stability control or automatic transmissions. In the SHO community there is little question that the 2010 SHO is a fantastic car, but there is some disappointment in that, while shooting for the moon and making it, Ford overlooked the fundamentals that helped the original car attain the devout following it enjoys today. Whether or not the new car has the chops to create its own legend remains to be seen, but the encouraging news for Ford is that just about every enthusiast who drives the 2010 SHO seems to fall in love with it. If the Blue Oval could just cut out some fat, pony up on the brakes and offer a legitimate manual transmission, this car would be a game-changer.

From our perspective, the slick styling, enviable list of techno-options, high-level of refinement, and especially the never-ending power band, have us answering our questions above with a resounding yes. The 2010 SHO does equal the Mustang GT in performance, it would seem to be much more that just a marketing gimmick, and Ford seems to have indeed learned some very important lessons from the Marauder debacle. If anything, the new SHO could be too good, elevating it from the rough-around-the-edges persona of SHOs past to an extraordinarily refined and engineered performance flagship on par with Germany’s finest, all while costing thousands less. That may rub some traditional SHO enthusiasts the wrong way, who would prefer a slightly faster, slightly-less expensive, slightly-less affluent, performance sedan. As these cars make their way into public hands however, we tend to think more people will come around to the charm of the all-new SHO. If not, look on the bright side. At least this time, Ford built a muscle machine with the chutzpah to out run a Honda Accord.

03calitejas
08-27-2009, 08:57 AM
Hmmm, spend $35K on a hopped up Taurus that will always be a Taurus- or find a clean $10K used Marauder that rides as quiet, more comfortably, and in my opinion, looks a heckuva lot better.

With a CAI and tune (that ford should've gave it in the first place) and proper gearing (all costing under $1000) I haven't been outrun by any Honda Accords... and most of the folks in Mustang GT's would trade their ponies for the two ton debacle that I happily drive.

Sounds to me like the writer of the article is uneducated and more than a little bit biased towards forking out money for a new car.

If I had the $35K to spend I think I'd have another Marauder in the garage (a shiny blue one with a blower). Who knows, maybe in 5 years I would take the remaining $15K and buy a used Taurus SHO if they are all they are cracked up to be.

Black Dynamite
08-27-2009, 09:07 AM
Man that guy hates Marauders something fierce. What'd we ever do to him?


Beat his old SHO in a race?:banana2:

Stranger in the Black Sedan
08-27-2009, 10:12 AM
it was a dud in the straight-line performance department thanks to a high-revving mill that offered no low-end torque to speak of. As a result, big-horsepower Ford fanatics were left with a $35,000, Darth Vader edition Grand Marquis that was slower than a V-6 Honda Accord

They aren't wrong though. mid 15 seconds for a stock marauder, was achievable by many 200 hp run of the mill 4 door sedans

james79stang
08-27-2009, 04:31 PM
I normally don't into the debate item's...let's see we ride alot more style and grace than a honda.. the hp of the times that was given to the MM was pretty good. the handling of our car is good. If they were still making the MM today what hp do you think we would have... 6 yr's later.. 450?? and a convertable. with current tech stuff as in tring to compare the 60/70/80's hp to now.. that 80's 5.0 is a slug.. direct from the factory. I love this taking out of context these comparison's. Brake's?? Ford has alway's under sized our brakes......I am not a debater or much of a soapbox talker... but I LOVE MY CAR....I am still pleased with it 6+ year's as when I bought her new......

SideshowBob
08-27-2009, 06:56 PM
Why should we be angry with this guy for telling the truth? When the Marauder concept was first displayed, a 300 HP sedan was a pretty exciting idea. However, by the time the car went into production there were any number of 4-door sedans, both foreign and domestic, that could match or beat it. Ford wimped out by not supercharging it. It had a 4-speed tranny when everyone else was doing 5 or 6. The hot stuff "exclusive" engine could be had in mom's Lincoln Aviator. It came only in black (at first), which also did a lot to help the sales of the Lincoln Blackwood (a couple years after buying my SB Marauder I was still hearing "I thought they only came in black"). Debacle pretty much sums it up.

Don't misunderstand, I am very happy with my Marauder, but I'm not delusional about it's performance shortcomings. Sure, you can build-up your MM into a real fire-breather, but this guy is comparing the performance merits of a STOCK SHO to a STOCK Marauder. I don't see anything to get all "wee-weed up" about.

On a side note, I have to sympathize with those SHO fans who are disappointed with the bells and whistles and the price of the new model. Pontiac did the same with the GTO, apparently forgetting that the original 1964 GTO was a stripped-down Tempest with a big motor and a 4-on-the-floor. Why does Detroit assume that only rich people want fast cars?

ChiTownMaraud3r
08-27-2009, 07:12 PM
It was either hate-it or love-it with our MMs.

I don't remember any other 4-door sedans coming out in 02 and 03 that matched up evenly against the Marauder for it's price back then. It wasn't until dodge started the Hemi thing on their 300c's, magnums and chargers several years later, and the newer impala ss's that gave the 4dr muscle segment a good run.

4-door Toyotas and Hondas may hold up from a stop, but don't have anything on MMs from a roll, and defiinitley not on looks. Who would even drive 4dr toyotas and hondas aggressively like our MMs?

Vortex
08-27-2009, 08:03 PM
My Marauder is the coolest car Ive ever owned but the guy isnt lying, the engine is a high rpm low torque motor (unmodified). Myself, Ive never considered my MM a drag car, its too heavy and why go racing with big ass electric leather seats, a/c ect.... anyway? Ive always considered it an extremely comfortable, quick, good handling, great looking "gentlemans express", maybe like an American Jag sedan or the equivalent. Re the new SHO, it may be quick but its still a rehash of my old 05 Montego so been there, done that.

Dr Caleb
08-27-2009, 09:42 PM
As a result, big-horsepower Ford fanatics were left with a $35,000, Darth Vader edition Grand Marquis that was slower than a V-6 Honda Accord, and for a niche segment more interested in burnout contests and stoplight battles, the Marauder became a case study in how not to build a car for a specific enthusiast market.

The truth hurts, but it is the truth.

A couple days ago, the neighbour's kid who is a very precocious 5, saw me polishing Elvira and said "Your car, when it's driving down the road, scares me." and walked away.

I have a car that scares little children, and I am very proud of that!

SpartaPerformance
08-27-2009, 09:55 PM
The truth hurts, but it is the truth.

A couple days ago, the neighbour's kid who is a very precocious 5, saw me polishing Elvira and said "Your car, when it's driving down the road, scares me." and walked away.

I have a car that scares little children, and I am very proud of that!

It is the truth atleast performance wise but that guy was very harsh on the Marauder though, maybe he got his a$$ beat by one in the past when he was driving around in his mom's Taurus.

If it scares kids well... good atleast they wont smear your paint with their snot riddled hands!!

Mr. Man
08-27-2009, 09:58 PM
Have to agree w/ Sideshowbob here. We moved up to a MM from a '00 Crown Vic that I believe had a 225hp motor and while it was a comfy highway cruiser it was no speed demon. When we saw the Marauder we liked the looks and the extra power but knew going in it was still going to be 100hp short of where Ford should have started. Still we enjoy this car more with every year and have met some very nice people through this site and we know if we want 500hp its there if our pockets go that deep. Its a great highway cruiser that handles better than its dump truck cousins the GM and CV and it turns heads to this day. Hope the SHO crowd can say the same about their cars 6 or 7 yrs from now about their cars.

4rgone
08-28-2009, 02:30 AM
Guess they are right about the torque, should have had more, but that Taurus is no Marauder and from all I have seen not that impressive. Would rather have the Infinity (anyone) and if I had to buy from Ford I would go with the Lincoln MKS at least it doesnt look like a Mazda rip off

TAKEDOWN
08-28-2009, 10:12 AM
Up theirs... I don't care what they think about our cars, I love my MARAUDER, and that's all that matters!

UncleLar
08-28-2009, 11:18 AM
Marauders have one thing them asian cars will never have,SOUL!

J-MAN
08-28-2009, 03:17 PM
I had a "91 SHO and loved it, lots of fun to drive. My Marauder is the best all-around vehicle I have ever owned in over 45 years of driving. Both great vehicles but hardly any comparison between the two. Enjoy each for what it is! My buddies daughter, after a ride in the Marauder asked if it was legal? My reply. " only in Alabama".

Black Dynamite
08-28-2009, 03:31 PM
Marauders have one thing them asian cars will never have,SOUL!


well, except for Kia, they have a Soul. :lol: