Pro Charger up grades part 1

[Dennis Reinhart]

A nice man came in today from Georgia in a Pro charged Marauder, I am going to make some changes and retune the car. Here is a good article on the P1C Pro charger kit for the Marauder, this is a technical article nothing more, if you do not like it add it to your ignore list. First of all it has non functioning PCV system. PCV or positive crank case ventilation allows the engine to breath, it keeps the crank case from pressurizing and forcing engine oil out of the valve covers. The Marauder does not have a check valve PCV it is mounted in the passenger valve cover as shown below.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255393705-stockpcvrerouted.jpg

Now here is how the PCV works on the marauder, fresh air is sucked through the Maf this is metered air, the maf tells the EEC how much air is entering the engine, a stock Marauder has a ½” hose connected to the upper intake, that is has full engine vacuum so it pulls air into the intake out of the passenger VC. Metered air from the driver’s side is drawn through the intake hose connected to the throttle body that the maf is connected to this is metered air it has passed through the Maf.

You can not use the intake hose going to the throttle body on the centrifugal supercharge because the pipe going to the throttle body is where the boost is entering the engine, if you did connect a hose going from it to the drivers side VC from the pipe you would force boost into the valve cover this would be way bad.

So in the Pro charger kit they installed this hose.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255395356-prochargerhose1.jpg

Here is another shot, of how it is set up

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255395817-prochargerT.jpg

And this set up is really non functional, one end goes to the drives side VC the T fitting goes to the inlet pipe that air is sucked through the maf into the inlet of the SC, the other end is going to the stock PCV no where is a vacuum source, it is caped off as shown.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255396052-oemvacumfitingfor-pcvcapedo.jpg

Now here is how to make a very simple fix, first of all cut that cap off intake, get a piece of hose install it on the intake or use your OEM hose if you have it, Vortech has a brass fitting but you can make this by just cutting the bottom out of a cheap PCV install it in the other end, and use 3/8 Fuel line hose, this will not collapse under vacuum, route this to the drivers side VC and install a FORD EV111 this PCV is from a turbo coupe and is designed not to blow open under boost.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255396389-ev11stockandvortechadapter.jpg

The EV111 is on the left a stock in the middle Vortech on the end,
Just cut the bottom out of the cheap PCV so you can make the reducer to go to the PCV.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255396577-modifiedpcv.jpg

I am sorry for some of the quality shots I will replace them I left my camera at home today.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255397263-ev111placment.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255397352-ev111.jpg

Again I am sorry for the fuzzy picture. Now what you do is take a piece of hose run it from the stock PCV and route that to the inlet pipe, you now have a fully functional PSC system.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/pcvcc.jpg


I will write another improvement on the inner cooler next. Low IAT is how you maintaine make consistent RWHP

[Glenn]

Very interesting Dennis - keep them coming. Look forward to the intercooler write-up.

Glenn :burnout:

[ntd]

cool can't wait to see more

[Dennis Reinhart]

Ok, here is what I found today. The pictures tell the story, the heat exchanger for this car was made for a Mustang, not a Marauder, so to make this work, they have to have, four pipes to route to the passenger side of the inner cooler which is the discharge side of the P1C, along with this you need four straight collars and one 90 degree collar and ten band clamps.

The driver’s side has two 90 degree fittings and four straight collars and another twelve ban clamps.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255399066-icpiping.jpg

Also these pipes hang down very low to the road, all these bends rob inner cooler ificiantcy raising IAT, and I will have numbers later this week.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255399421-icpiping1.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255399212-icpoiping2.jpg

By investing in a larger cooler better piping you will decrease IAT by over 30 degrees.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/vortechairair.jpg

This cooler mounts at the bottom cutting out all the inner cooler rubber 90 degree bends.
And it takes a total of 8 collars and 16 clamps, and it tucks with no over hang under the car. The Pro Charger P1c is a good supercharger I prefer Vortech for the simple reason the P1C generates false knock, because of the gear driven nature of the S/C making the OEM knock sensors far less responsive, but it can be tuned around. IAT is the big issue.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255401692-IA1T.jpg

Pro Charger also uses a 3.5” inlet pipe Vortech uses a 4” and the Pro charger inlet pipe sets up higher because they uses the OEM fan housing and flip it upside down, so there is less clearance, we use a fan hosing that works much better but does push the cost up. Bottom line both are very good kits and any thing can be improved on

[Embassy]

Interesting write-up. It's good to see us minority ProCharger Marauders getting some text.

I like the piping. The many pieces of my current kit have always irked me.

What will the pricing be on these pieces?

Looking forward to part 2.

[Marauderjack]

Nice write up Dennis!!:beer:

As far as the PCV setup, I just "gutted" the OEM PCV valve (Making a 90* fitting) and used the EV-111 on the driver's side connected to the PCV port on the intake and connected the "gutted" OEM PCV to the fitting on the blower intake pipe...works fine and simply reverses the flow through the engine!!:D

Where does the "DSVC" hose from your "T" fitting go on the driver's side cover??:confused:

More on the piping and the intercooler please!!:help:

[RacerX]

So the intake manifold is under vacuum until the throttle is opened. The PCV is under vacuum and the once there's pressure from the SC, the EV111 closes. Correct?

[ROCOB]

Dennis and I spoke on the phone a several times regarding my car and its issues, so I took the car to him earlier this week. He fixed the pcv issue, put in an air-box/filter, and removed the diablo equipment and did a retune with sct. The car needed the tune pretty bad. It has much better manners in traffic now and it has perked up. Granted the intercooler is still an issue, the pipes are running so low to the ground that I have to always be mindful when parking. I plan on getting that sorted out, just got to save up some coin.
addendum: set the cruise 81 mph, except for high traffic and construction areas, and managed 21.3 mpg, 3:55 gears, loaded with luggage and the family, not too shabby IMO.

[Marauderjack]

So the intake manifold is under vacuum until the throttle is opened. The PCV is under vacuum and the once there's pressure from the SC, the EV111 closes. Correct?


Yep....works great!!:beer:

[Embassy]

Yep....works great!!:beer:

+1



For reference, here's the original piping an intercooler:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12 191&d=1203049612

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=581486#post58 1486 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=581486#post58 1486)


Looking forward to seeing the new piping in place.

[scruff]

way to many bends and couplings with that setup = failure

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Yeah that piping down there is hideous, looks like a home-made ghetto rigged thing.

[Marauderjack]

Mine works pretty damn good!!!:beer::bows::banana2:

[magindat]

I changed the design and put my IC behind the bumper and reduced the plumbing dramatically.

Swapping over to blow-through with Dennis' help dropped a few more pieces!

I've changed mine around a bit and I like the flexibility.

To each their own!

[Dennis Reinhart]

Here are some better photos later on he is going to go with my IC kit but the car gained about 50 RWHP when we were done with it, and as I suspect the knock sensor retard table was all zeroes and the border line knock line table was 1.0

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This is really what scares me if any thing is sticking up in the road kiss these goodbye.

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But as I said it is a nice get that can be improved upon.

[ntd]

Dennis those pipes look like there really low is that how your air to air kit is.

[Seneca]

Nice write up and read Dennis. I'll be looking forward to seeing the new inter cooler piping and IC.

[magindat]

Dennis those pipes look like there really low is that how your air to air kit is.

Dennis's pipes go around the frame.

I got my pipes up higher, but it takes some creativity and some cutting.

[ntd]

Dennis's pipes go around the frame.

I got my pipes up higher, but it takes some creativity and some cutting.
do you have any pics

[Dennis Reinhart]

Dennis those pipes look like there really low is that how your air to air kit is.



I use a inner cooler that allows all the pipes to stay up in the frame and there are only two pipes for the inner cooler and two colars and 4 clamps.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255819760-cwic.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1255819813-cwicbottom.jpg

[burt ragio]

Nice write up on the changes to the Procharger. You raised the bar again. Improved performance to a higher level of efficiency let alone corrected some one elses lets say over sights. Kudos :beatnik:.
So when will you offer your early holiday specials on the Intercooled Vortec system ?

[ntd]

:seesaw: yes my cheap side needs a reason to give in

[ImpalaSlayer]

nice work Dennis. when i had your kit i did like the pipes!

[magindat]

Nice write up on the changes to the Procharger. You raised the bar again. Improved performance to a higher level of efficiency let alone corrected some one elses lets say over sights. Kudos :beatnik:.
So when will you offer your early holiday specials on the Intercooled Vortec system ?

I wouldn't say my FIT ProCharger kit had any 'oversights'. Actually it was very complete and thoughtful.

I wouldn't say I've 'corrected' anything, either. Rather I have customized and improved upon an already good kit - to fit ME and MY style and MY needs and MY interests - often with Dennis' help.

Keep in mind, there have been several years passed between the development of the FIT kit and Dennis' work - and Dennis works at it every day!

My point is, let's not be negative. Greg put out a great kit while he was in the biz. Let's not forget, there are still 30+ FIT kits out there runnin strong!

Thanks Dennis for taking the time to share.

[Dennis Reinhart]

My point is, let's not be negative. Greg put out a great kit while he was in the biz. Let's not forget, there are still 30+ FIT kits out there runnin strong!

Thanks Dennis for taking the time to share.


It is a good SC, it makes a lot of power, just as Trilogy and Vortech and Novi. SCT now makes a B3000 as a slotted Maf,