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BillyGman
10-24-2003, 07:47 PM
I know that ceramic coating is supposed to be superior for corrosion prevention of conventional mild steel headers. But what about these claims of the ceramic coating actually making the headers more quiet? Does anyone here know if that's really true? I don't know how thick ceramic coatings are, but I wonder if they can really do that. I've had full length headers on some cars that I've owned, and in addition to the performance that headers offer, what I've liked about them also is the sound that is emitted from them. And I mean the sound that comes from under the hood that is the exhaust note that is audible right through the header primary tube walls. I'm sure that this is due to the wall thickness of the header primary tubes being thinner than that of the stock exhaust manifolds. It's a different sound than what you get by installing loud mufflers(which I don't care for). But if ceramic coating muffles that noise from the headers that I find desireable, then I might choose to order my headers from Kook's w/out the ceramic coating, and paint them instead.
Let me explain though that I'm well aware that the typical header paint found in parts stores and speed shops that come in spray cans is garbage despite the "1200 degree" claims on the labels. I know that those header paints always end up fading and peeling. But on my Corvette I've used this header paint that is very different. It's from an online catalog place called Griot's Garage, and it isn't in a spray can, but it comes in a pint container, and you have to brush it on the headers w/one of those foam brushes that come on a stick that's used for indoor house painting for "cutting-in" the paint around door trim or where the ceiling meets the walls. And after applying this paint to the headers, (you guys are gonna love this part) you have to place the painted header in the oven at 450 degrees (F.) for 30 minutes to bake it on. Now don't laugh, because I've used this paint, and have also used my kitchen oven to perfoprm this task, and believe it or not, it didn't smell up the house or cause any smoke at all. For the first 10 minutes there was a very faint metalic smell, but after that, there wasn't any smell at all. I didn't even have to open the windows. Furthermore, I've had this paint on the headers on my Vette now for over three years, and they still look good. Now I'm sure that ceramic coating would hold up longer than even this paint that I've used will, but do you guys think that it really will muffle that great header sound at all that cannot be obtained from simply using loud mufflers??? BTW, this brush-on header paint from Griot's Garage that I've told you about only costs about $15. But the cost savings isn't the reason why I'm considering using it instead of the ceramic coating. It would simply be a fringe benefit.

SergntMac
10-24-2003, 08:02 PM
Damn, Billy...Can you spell p a r a g r a p h? Jeeze!

One thought with five sentences to make it. You lose me in your thought ONLY because of how you post them. Try it again?

Thanks...

TAF
10-24-2003, 08:04 PM
I'm dizzy...

But, I think your point is...well frankly...over analyzed.

Do what you want with your headers...they're yours...but, I like my ceramic coated.

Edit: wasn't meant to be a flame, and I see Mac addressed my reason for being dizzy in his eloquent way:D

FordNut
10-24-2003, 08:33 PM
Billy,
As I understand it, one benefit of the ceramic coating is that it keeps more of the heat inside the header rather than transferring it through the walls to the engine compartment. That helps both heat related issues in the engine compartment and keeps the exhaust gases hot in the primaries which keeps the exhaust gas velocity up, thereby improving the scavenging effect. All this may be BS but it's what I've read about ceramic coating over the years.

BillyGman
10-24-2003, 08:36 PM
want to be misunderstood, and for this thread to drift into another subject about how lousey those spray on header paints are, or how about ceramic coatings are so much better. I just was looking for an answer to my question about weather or not you think that headers are more quiet w/the ceramic stuff on them. And I can see that neither one of you addressed that. Anyone else?

BillyGman
10-24-2003, 08:41 PM
thanks for your comments Fordnut. Can anyone vouch for the quieting effect of the ceramics? I know it's a shot in the dark question, but hey, w/all the gearhead experience represented here on this board....ya never know until you ask. I'll try to keep things a little shorter so that guys like MAC won't get lost(I guess that happens to guys when they get old and cranky:D ).

valleyman
10-24-2003, 10:14 PM
Before the Marauder I had a '63 Lincoln that I dearly loved and drove for 17 years. One of the mods I did to it was to have the stock exhaust manifolds ceramic-coated. I noticed no difference in sound. Did notice cooler underhood temperature, though. And they looked SHARP, but you have to keep them clean.

BillyGman
10-24-2003, 10:29 PM
thanks for that input cuz that's the kind of stuff that I'm looking for(info based on trial & error experience). However, when I was thinking about what you've just said, the thing that came to mind is the fact that to my knowledge stock exhaust manifold walls are much thicker than the header primary tube walls are. And I think that the manifolds are cast iron rather than steel like the headers are. So using ceramic coatings on headers might be a different story.

martyo
10-24-2003, 10:32 PM
Hey Billy: Why not go straight to the source? Look here for the LD:
http://www.jet-hot.com/pages/whyjethot.html

Hope this helps. Oh, and get some sleep man!

valleyman
10-24-2003, 10:35 PM
You're right on both counts, BillyGman, they were cast iron and they were mucho thick.

BillyGman
10-24-2003, 10:39 PM
hey, it's all cool. I appreciate the fact that you were trying to help. After all, that's what I was asking for, eh?

Hey Marty, good idea Dude. I'll look into that. But as long as I don't have to go to sleep now!!!!

martyo
10-24-2003, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by BillyGman
Hey Marty, good idea Dude. I'll look into that. But as long as I don't have to go to sleep now!!!!

Just rest up before next Sunday. You don't want to get caught sleeping at the light. BTW: I think I have a couple of other guys who may join us (a '98 GT Mustang and some Garage Queen Camaro SS ;) ).

BillyGman
10-24-2003, 11:08 PM
we should keep up w/the GT if it's stock, but I think the Camaro will put us in our place. But anything to put the ricers in their place.

martyo
10-25-2003, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by BillyGman
we should keep up w/the GT if it's stock....

Oh don't you worry, Uncle Marty plans on puttin' a beatin' on that GT! ;)

Logan
10-25-2003, 07:08 AM
What Fordnut said. Ceramic coatings have two purposes.

One, keep heat in the header, not in your engine bay.

Two, Make it look good.

'nuff said.

cyclone03
10-25-2003, 03:15 PM
I had a set of headers Jet- Hot coated years ago and to be honest never noticed any sound defference at all.

But with 11.5:1 compression,very little insulation,and no AC it was cooler on my feet.

The Kooks headers are Stainless I think so you could run them un coated or unpainted ,if you want a cheep trick spray the headers down with about 5-6 coats of pure silicone spray,let it dry,yes they will be a little slick,and will smoke like hell when you start it up,but it "burns"into the steel and leaves a clear covering that looks pretty good.I did a header on a bike about 15 years ago and theres still no rust on it.

The thing about the coatings is it's on the inside and out side.
Go coated you wont regret it.

BillyGman
10-25-2003, 04:46 PM
for your comments and observations Cyclone. I think that I'm going to opt for the ceramic coating. Unless atleast one or two of the 8 places that I've written an e-mail question to about this assures me that the ceramic coating DOES quiet the header sound. But i doubt that's the case in light of what you've said. But for the record, Nick at Kook's told me that their Marauder headers are NOT Stainless steel. he siad they're mild steel and therefore must be either ceramic coated or painted.;)