View Full Version : moser axles are junk!
ImpalaSlayer
10-18-2009, 03:12 PM
talked to Zack a little bit ago, hes really bummed. this has convinced me that i will never buy these axles, what a joke!
http://www.chicagosvt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43216
MarauderTJA
10-18-2009, 03:32 PM
My Moser's 31 splines have held up flawlessly.
ImpalaSlayer
10-18-2009, 03:49 PM
My Moser's 31 splines have held up flawlessly.
honestly, its probably just a defective axle but i still wont be buying them, hes lucky the wheel didnt fall all the way off and land on the sheet metal.
FordNut
10-18-2009, 03:52 PM
I haven't had any issues with mine. But I fully expect to, hence my questions about the 9".
Damn that sucks!!!
There is another member on here that broke a moser 31 spline. :shake:
I'll let him post up about that himself.
This makes the 2nd story I have heard about moser 31 spline axles breaking in less than 2 weeks. FAIL!!! :down:
ImpalaSlayer
10-18-2009, 04:01 PM
Zack just sent me a text, says his axles were dated 4/10/09
strangely enough, that is my birthday
I'm goin' with the cvpi 31 spline axles.
These are what Sherman uses with 0 issues and he has (I believe) over 300 passes on them. :bows:
-Matt-
10-18-2009, 04:10 PM
strangely enough, that is my birthday
Duh, thats explains the defect! ;)
ImpalaSlayer
10-18-2009, 04:11 PM
I'm goin' with the cvpi 31 spline axles.
These are what Sherman uses with 0 issues and he has (I believe) over 300 passes on them. :bows:
same here. Zack had a set for me but now he needs em LOL. probly best for the ole bank account anyway :lol:
MarauderTJA
10-18-2009, 04:25 PM
honestly, its probably just a defective axle but i still wont be buying them, hes lucky the wheel didnt fall all the way off and land on the sheet metal.
The more you mod the car, the greater chances things will break, regardless of the type of parts. Go fast, pay go fast, pay. I still like going fast though:beer:.
MarauderTJA
10-18-2009, 04:28 PM
I haven't had any issues with mine. But I fully expect to, hence my questions about the 9".
IMO with your car the 9" would be the first thing I would be looking to get done. With slicks your car will pop them like toothpicks with the amount of tork your putting to the ground.
ImpalaSlayer
10-18-2009, 04:31 PM
The more you mod the car, the greater chances things will break, regardless of the type of parts. Go fast, pay go fast, pay. I still like going fast though:beer:.
i understand that but that was the first launch on that axle
MarauderTJA
10-18-2009, 04:33 PM
i understand that but that was the first launch on that axle
Had to have been defective. Moser should replace it.
How much power are these mosers supposed to be able to handle???
2 marauder's in 2 weeks with busted 31 spline mosers.
Im thinking defect too!
ImpalaSlayer
10-18-2009, 04:35 PM
How much power are these mosers supposed to be able to handle???
i dont even know if you can define that. there are so many variables, weight of car, type of tire, height or tire, width of tire, blah blah blah
ImpalaSlayer
10-18-2009, 04:36 PM
2 marauder's in 2 weeks with busted 31 spline mosers.
Im thinking defect too!
wait a minute......:hmmm:
I'm goin' with the cvpi 31 spline axles.
These are what Sherman uses with 0 issues and he has (I believe) over 300 passes on them. :bows:
Wrong......
MarauderTJA
10-18-2009, 04:39 PM
How much power are these mosers supposed to be able to handle???
They can handle plenty of power. The weight of our cars is the problem. A lot of factors come into play. Track prep, track temp, types of tires, burnout, type of launch, torque converter and the list goes on. The better the traction the greater possibility they will break.
Wrong......
Which is why i said I BELIEVE
Because i wasnt sure.
Thank you for correcting me all knowing one.
joemama
10-18-2009, 04:48 PM
I'm no metalurgical expert but looking at those photos, the center of that axle did not look right to me...imho....:twocents:
Which is why i said I BELIEVE
Because i wasnt sure.
Thank you for correcting me all knowing one.
I sold him my 31 mosers I puchaced during a group buy years ago.
FordNut
10-18-2009, 04:54 PM
Marty broke one a couple of years ago. I believe his rear end was modified with c-clip eliminators.
Damn! You boys are tough on axles. :lol:
:burn: :burnout:
TripleD
10-18-2009, 04:57 PM
I had Moser 31 Spline axles put in my car along with a 4.10 gears and a new center section (locker). With 100 miles on the car (still breaking in the 4.10's) on a 10MPH roll with street tires I tipped-in to about 1/4 throttle.
Driver's side axle snapped off at the wheel flange like a pretzel which turned me completely sideways instantly (because the locker acts just like a spool).
The wheel never came completely off because the caliper held on to it, but it took out my tire, wheel, caliper, caliper bracket, axle, and half my center section. I am currently up to 1500.00 in parts and towing, not counting labor.
Moser says they have never seen an axle break at the flange in 20 years, and that I must have been in an accident. When I accused them of providing a defective part they said "No way. If there was a problem we would be getting calls from all over the country."
They finally agreed to test my broken axle, which they have had since Wednesday, and if they found a defect they would give me another axle. When I asked about the other side they said there's no way I need to worry about it breaking.
They sent me a replacement (which they charged me for) so I could get the car back on the road, and they are still "Testing" as of Friday.
I'll keep you posted on their response
MarauderTJA
10-18-2009, 05:02 PM
Like most HP car companies, I doubt they will accept the blame. I went through two major issues with Crower Cams. Proven to be bad casts, but refused to admit it was their fault. Turned out more people than I had the same problems with the Crowers. Cost me far more than $1500. Crower could care less. No problems at all with the Comps.
The fine print always says "depending on application" user at risk.
BUCKWHEAT
10-18-2009, 05:58 PM
My Mozer 31's have held up so far!
justbob
10-18-2009, 06:22 PM
It was a bad day indeed! I would have NEVER expected this. Needless to say, with my two hour drive home and seeing this axle snap, I had NO interest in going out and breaking mine also!
SC Cheesehead
10-18-2009, 06:23 PM
I'm no metalurgical expert but looking at those photos, the center of that axle did not look right to me...imho....:twocents:
+1, I'd have them checked out for hardness, etc.
LOWBUCKMM
10-18-2009, 07:42 PM
i have never seen i axel break like zacks did. im very surprised that the wheel did not fly off or take out any other part of the axel. i was there and i saw it first hand. crazy power that car had.
4500 pounds and 600+ pounds of torque with a 31 spline axle = no guarantee.
Time no a 9".
martyo
10-18-2009, 08:23 PM
Marty broke one a couple of years ago. I believe his rear end was modified with c-clip eliminators.
Correct and I no longer run those axles.
Hey Marty what axles are you running now?
dohc324ci
10-18-2009, 08:47 PM
This is an interesting thread. I was looking to have my tranny and rear end built to take the abuse of the new motor and sc down the line....
Mr. Man
10-18-2009, 09:26 PM
What are c-clip eliminators and is this set up better?
2ndMDRebel
10-18-2009, 09:30 PM
Hmmm, my factory stock 28spline CV axles are about the only thing on the car that hasn't broke yet!
Uh oh...
Motorhead350
10-18-2009, 09:52 PM
My Mozer 31's have held up so far!
Your car isn't fast enough for breaking speed. :D
Sounds like you have the older/better edition set.
stangracr
10-18-2009, 09:53 PM
Strange is the only way to go. I have never broken a Strange axle with any car. Just my experience.
ed
Da Dark Jedi
10-18-2009, 10:29 PM
Strange is the only way to go. I have never broken a Strange axle with any car. Just my experience.
ed
I was thinking Strange Engineering also. I may call for their catalog in the morning.
RR|Suki
10-18-2009, 11:01 PM
you can just call and tell them what you want and they can make it for you :D
martyo
10-19-2009, 03:34 AM
Hey Marty what axles are you running now?
I was doen fooling with an axle that was going to break (in front of 1,000 people no less :rolleyes: ) so I have 33 spline gun drilled race axles from Strange.
My axles will not fit anyone else's car on here but can be used as a learning experience.
FordNut
10-19-2009, 04:45 AM
Oh, I almost forgot about another one that broke: Steve's (Glassman99) car broke one last year.
FordNut
10-19-2009, 04:54 AM
Strange is the only way to go. I have never broken a Strange axle with any car. Just my experience.
ed
Somebody ought to measure a Moser axle for specs to have Strange make some.
I was thinking Strange Engineering also. I may call for their catalog in the morning.
Probably won't be in their catalog.
you can just call and tell them what you want and they can make it for you :D
Yep, measure and get the specs. But special order will be big $$$
I was doen fooling with an axle that was going to break (in front of 1,000 people no less :rolleyes: ) so I have 33 spline gun drilled race axles from Strange.
My axles will not fit anyone else's car on here but can be used as a learning experience.
How much did they cost? Does the ABS work?
I think Steve went with 33 splines and a spool also. Not sure if he switched to 9" axle ends, c-clip eliminators, or stock ends.
2,4shofast
10-19-2009, 09:44 AM
I had Moser 31 Spline axles put in my car along with a 4.10 gears and a new center section (locker). With 100 miles on the car (still breaking in the 4.10's) on a 10MPH roll with street tires I tipped-in to about 1/4 throttle.
Driver's side axle snapped off at the wheel flange like a pretzel which turned me completely sideways instantly (because the locker acts just like a spool).
The wheel never came completely off because the caliper held on to it, but it took out my tire, wheel, caliper, caliper bracket, axle, and half my center section. I am currently up to 1500.00 in parts and towing, not counting labor.
Moser says they have never seen an axle break at the flange in 20 years, and that I must have been in an accident. When I accused them of providing a defective part they said "No way. If there was a problem we would be getting calls from all over the country."
They finally agreed to test my broken axle, which they have had since Wednesday, and if they found a defect they would give me another axle. When I asked about the other side they said there's no way I need to worry about it breaking.
They sent me a replacement (which they charged me for) so I could get the car back on the road, and they are still "Testing" as of Friday.
I'll keep you posted on their response
I had a very similar experience, they WILL NOT admit if it was their fault IMO. Good luck though and I hope it works out better for you than it did for me.:beer:
If I had to do it over again I would have gone with the CVPI 31 spline and never looked back.
SILVERSURFER03
10-19-2009, 09:56 AM
W o w
Joe Walsh
10-19-2009, 10:33 AM
I wonder if those Moser axles that snapped might have had improper heat treatment.
http://www.strangeengineering.net/catalog/pdf/002.pdf
O's Fan Rich
10-19-2009, 10:45 AM
Big car + Big Power + Racing tires = Make sure you have a tow vehicle to bring her home..... just in case.
I looked at the pics posted on the site. Something looks hinky with those axles.
justbob
10-19-2009, 11:26 AM
Whats hinky? Is it dirty?:D
I thought Zack gave it a good heat treatment myself.:)
O's Fan Rich
10-19-2009, 11:45 AM
Whats hinky? Is it dirty?:D
I thought Zack gave it a good heat treatment myself.:)
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That porridge taste hinky to you?
And my personal fav:
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She knew something was hinky when her husband returned from the store without his underwear...
LeoVampire
10-19-2009, 11:48 AM
It is best to get the Ford 9" rear end and do floating axel shaft's. Solid outside hub assembly with floating shaft's that are splined on each end of them. They have a much larger diametor and when they break they do not damage anything else and the wheel still stay's on the car because it is seperate from the actual axel output shaft.
Once you start getting pass a certain horse power rating and have a really heavy car doing something like this is an absolute must. The type of 9" rear end you would see in a heavy duty pick up has those type's of floating axle's. Go to a junk yard and snatch one up then do your gears and everything from there. Also the 9" Ford rear end has an extra carrier bearing for the pinion gear instead of the single bearing set up our 8.8" rear end's have.
Gear change out is pretty easy because the main gears all come out together in one shot with the front of the cassing.
justbob
10-19-2009, 03:05 PM
Thanks Rich:wave: Learned something new today:D
FordNut
10-19-2009, 03:42 PM
It is best to get the Ford 9" rear end and do floating axel shaft's. Solid outside hub assembly with floating shaft's that are splined on each end of them. They have a much larger diametor and when they break they do not damage anything else and the wheel still stay's on the car because it is seperate from the actual axel output shaft.
Once you start getting pass a certain horse power rating and have a really heavy car doing something like this is an absolute must. The type of 9" rear end you would see in a heavy duty pick up has those type's of floating axle's. Go to a junk yard and snatch one up then do your gears and everything from there. Also the 9" Ford rear end has an extra carrier bearing for the pinion gear instead of the single bearing set up our 8.8" rear end's have.
Gear change out is pretty easy because the main gears all come out together in one shot with the front of the cassing.
Figure out how to make it fit.
LeoVampire
10-20-2009, 11:17 AM
Figure out how to make it fit.
Yes I know it is like trying to get a square to fit into a round hole. First off you would have to bring it to a shop if you don't have the equipment and have all of the old bracket's cut off of the new axle you will be using. And have new one's welded onto it that will allow it to work with the set up on our car's. All of it will be time consuming and cost a few buck's to make it work. I am sure a lot of modding will be needed, new hub and brake set up's so the wheel's will fit. And the list just keep's going.
But if you don't have a trailer with spare part's to bring out to the track with you everytime you break something nor have the money to keep replacing stuff what choice do you have but to go to a stronger set up?
8.8" Ford axle's were never ment to deal with what some of you are trying to do. And you get what you pay for as well. If the company you are getting your part's from dosn't know what your trying to do they also can't make sure you are getting what you need. Tell them how much horse power you have and how much torque as well as the weight of the car. Maybe then someone can come up with part's that will not break on you. Don't just get something premade that can are so called work with anything part's because they DO NOT WORK as you are finding out.
Having something made to your need's alway's is a better option in the long run. If you guy's are so willing to spend that kind of money on your car's to fly down a track what is the big deal having an axle set up made for it as well?
Super charger's, drive shaft's, new suspension part's and bigger brake's and racing tire's, injector's, cold air intake's high output fuel pump's and rails. Sound's to me like your already getting into the profesional racing catagory car. So why not do what the pro's do and get a real racing axle because it is the next logical step in what you all are doing right??????
Hand someone a spare axle that fit's your car and say to them you need something better that fit's and work's. Or do it yourself but one way or the other it is the only way you will stop breaking part's that leave you stranded some where and getting laughed at as you whine about the problem. They are thinking the same thing I am right now, "What does he expect with all that build up of the engine"?
Start getting an idea of what your looking at and save for it. Just a couple of example's
http://www.nineinchracing.com/
http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/default_rearend.aspx
There are a lot of company's devoted to racing axle's and making them work for you if you just look around for them. Contact them and tell them what you want and need.
RacerX
10-20-2009, 02:44 PM
4500 pounds and 600+ pounds of torque with a 31 spline axle = no guarantee.
Time no a 9".
BTW! How much does Zack weigh? Maybe that's the problem? :D J/K! That sucks!!!
It's really odd how it twisted like that in what you would think is just about the strongest part, started the shear on the outside inward. Odd disscolored areas on the outer inside edge. Looks like the heat treatment wasn't uniform.
LeoVampire
10-20-2009, 05:31 PM
I should not have said this part it was wrong of me to do.
"getting laughed at as you whine about the problem. They are thinking the same thing I am right now, "What does he expect with all that build up of the engine"?
A very wrong choice of word's and not put correctly so I want to appologize to the community just got a little miffed when FordNut spoke up and said "Figure out how to make it fit" but it is no excuse.
If you want it there is nothing you can not do and or get. If they can put one in a newer style Mustang then you dam sure can put one in a big ass car like our's with load's more room and a real frame to keep it in place.
RR|Suki
10-20-2009, 05:37 PM
Call this man, he'll make it happen :D
http://scottscrap.com/
FordNut
10-20-2009, 05:40 PM
Mustang rear suspension is much different from ours. That's what gets me, bunch of FNG's jump in and preach about how easy it is to mod our cars 'cause you can do it on a Mustang. Bunch of blah, blah, blah. This ain't a 'stang. But they're always a bunch of talk, never show us how to do it. Reminds me of 12's N/A.
RR|Suki
10-20-2009, 05:48 PM
Mustang rear suspension is much different from ours. That's what gets me, bunch of FNG's jump in and preach about how easy it is to mod our cars 'cause you can do it on a Mustang. Bunch of blah, blah, blah. This ain't a 'stang. But they're always a bunch of talk, never show us how to do it. Reminds me of 12's N/A.
Dunno what an FNG is but c'mon 12s N/A is gonna happen in the fall once the temps go down and they get out to the track..... wait what month is it? Nevermind :D
FordNut
10-20-2009, 06:23 PM
Dunno what an FNG is but c'mon 12s N/A is gonna happen in the fall once the temps go down and they get out to the track..... wait what month is it? Nevermind :D
Kinda funny, all the abuse they dished out on Glenn, quoting him in their sigs, etc. Now most of them are supercharged and the rest are either very quiet or making up some more excuses... Still ain't been done!
ImpalaSlayer
10-20-2009, 06:30 PM
as far as i know theres still a few doing it. me, i put the headers on and they were an OK improvement. i wanted more, and still do.
LeoVampire
10-20-2009, 07:12 PM
Kinda funny, all the abuse they dished out on Glenn, quoting him in their sigs, etc. Now most of them are supercharged and the rest are either very quiet or making up some more excuses... Still ain't been done!
Unfortunatly I no longer have a shop to use nor the equipment available.
The last car I did it to was a 1970 Grand Marquies with a 460ci motor in it running at about 460hp as well with about 550ft pounds of torque as far as we could tell. On that heavy car we snaped drive shaft's and the stock axle like nothing so we had no choice but to do it. But we had to do it ourselve's unlike now there wasn't the internet available to talk to people about getting it made or help. Took about a month to figure it out and make it happen and a lot of trial and error getting it all lined up properly and had to go with a smaller gas tank as well the 35 gallon one was too big and in the way. Had to have a drive shaft company make a new one for us as well. CT drive shaft to be exact.
The pont is with time, money and determination there is nothing that can't be done.
sd8683
10-20-2009, 07:48 PM
Kinda funny, all the abuse they dished out on Glenn, quoting him in their sigs, etc. Now most of them are supercharged and the rest are either very quiet or making up some more excuses... Still ain't been done!
Things don't happen on a whim! I wish I could snap my fingers and be in the 12's. But that's not gonna happen, you of all people should know this with all the differant setups you've had. I'm hoping to make my run for 12's in the spring of 2010, I'm in no rush.
So you and everyone else will just have to wait. Unless Paul or Chris do it first of course! :D
O's Fan Rich
10-21-2009, 05:38 AM
Mustang rear suspension is much different from ours. That's what gets me, bunch of FNG's jump in and preach about how easy it is to mod our cars 'cause you can do it on a Mustang. Bunch of blah, blah, blah. This ain't a 'stang. But they're always a bunch of talk, never show us how to do it. Reminds me of 12's N/A.
WHAT????!!!!!
It's not a Mustang?
GTFO!!!!! Dang salesman lied to me.....said it was "a 4 door Mustang."..... Gotta sell this peice of crap now....
justbob
10-21-2009, 06:23 AM
Dunno what an FNG is but c'mon 12s N/A is gonna happen in the fall once the temps go down and they get out to the track..... wait what month is it? Nevermind :D
F****** New Guy............
RacerX
10-21-2009, 06:30 AM
Gotta sell this peice of crap now....
How much Bish? :D I'll trade you a "convertible" 98 Cobra!
Joe Walsh
10-21-2009, 07:35 AM
WHAT????!!!!!
It's not a Mustang?
GTFO!!!!! Dang salesman lied to me.....said it was "a 4 door Mustang."..... Gotta sell this peice of crap now....
I'm pissed too!
The salesman told me that it was a Grand Marguis GT complete with the blacked-out treatment!!!....:mad2:
martyo
10-21-2009, 08:41 AM
Mustang rear suspension is much different from ours. That's what gets me, bunch of FNG's jump in and preach about how easy it is to mod our cars 'cause you can do it on a Mustang. Bunch of blah, blah, blah. This ain't a 'stang. But they're always a bunch of talk, never show us how to do it. Reminds me of 12's N/A.
Welcome to where we were three years ago.
Everyone was telling me how fast these cars could be but we were the ones at the track seeing what it would take. And, yes, breaking an axle in front of a thousand eyes was part of that process.
Anyway, we solved the axle problem a long while back and now I am working with Zack (who is reading all of this) and getting him caught up. So now he will owe me!!! :D
Anyway, if we can accomplish a few more tricks in the next 16 days, we will show you how to get kicked off the track at Commerce for being too fast for this car.
Nine's are withing reach my friends!!!!
I am working with Zack (who is reading all of this)
....:wave::welcome1:....
O's Fan Rich
10-21-2009, 10:18 AM
Welcome to where we were three years ago.
Everyone was telling me how fast these cars could be but we were the ones at the track seeing what it would take. And, yes, breaking an axle in front of a thousand eyes was part of that process.
Anyway, we solved the axle problem a long while back and now I am working with Zack (who is reading all of this) and getting him caught up. So now he will owe me!!! :D
Anyway, if we can accomplish a few more tricks in the next 16 days, we will show you how to get kicked off the track at Commerce for being too fast for this car.
Nine's are withing reach my friends!!!!
Cool!
I'ma gonna be watchin'.......
But did you pic a license plate yet?
LeoVampire
10-21-2009, 11:27 AM
Welcome to where we were three years ago.
Everyone was telling me how fast these cars could be but we were the ones at the track seeing what it would take. And, yes, breaking an axle in front of a thousand eyes was part of that process.
Anyway, we solved the axle problem a long while back and now I am working with Zack (who is reading all of this) and getting him caught up. So now he will owe me!!! :D
Anyway, if we can accomplish a few more tricks in the next 16 days, we will show you how to get kicked off the track at Commerce for being too fast for this car.
Nine's are withing reach my friends!!!!
http://www.stockcarproducts.com/rearend.htm
A lot of options and length's for price's for under $1,000.00
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