Engine swap

[jdenning002]

Hello,

I know this is not crownvic.net, please don't give me crap about the post... I just wanted to throw this out to all of the really knowledgeable folks on this site and I could use the help.

I am going to be installing an complete engine & trans dropout from a 2009 CVPI into my 2004 CV Sport.

I would like to use the 2009 ECM and guage cluster if possible.

I know that I will have to change the accelerator pedal since the 09 has drive by wire..

Other than that, I don't know if the car will run on the 09 ecm and if the 09 cluster will go in okay..

I have a shop doing the work, they quoted me 10-13 hours labor in total--for the engine and trans swap, which seems pretty fair.

Anyone have any feedback on this project??

Thanks!

ALSO:
http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1921349#Post1921349

Oh, and for those who have asked, I am keeping my 04MM engine for a full build down the road, and probably the eaton swap/ conversion...

[ntd]

There seem to be much more potent engine choices, the 2009 CVPI is rated at 250 HP 297 TQ. Why not try for a 3v swap if your going to spent that kind of money?

[jdenning002]

I need stock for now. I got the complete engine w/ trans, harness, pcm under 16k miles- less than a 3v engine would cost!

[offroadkarter]

im guessing the stock motor is blown?

I'm not even sure if a 2004 will take a 2009 PCM, alot has changed including where the PCM itself is mounted... 2005+ is under the hood on the right side of the engine bay, 2004 and under is in the drivers side foot well...

Same with the guage cluster, i dont think that will swap, it's got alot more electronics inside it... Like the MPG stuff and what not... A marauder cluser will swap with some rewiring.


It'd probably just be eaiser to get a motor from a 1999-2004 mustang to be honest

[SpartaPerformance]

I agree with ntd. Why would you want to use the 09 PCM anyway? Sounds like too much hassel. If you want drive by wire you can find a 3v at a junk yard pretty cheap and FORD sells a wiring kit with PCM, CAI and accelerator pedal ready to mount in any vehicle the only thing would be getting software to run the auto transmission and, BAM 300HP and more torque then an 09 2v. I tell ALL my customers the biggest waste of money in performance is jumping on what appears to be a "sweet deal" without looking forward. Remember it's cheaper to do it once correctly.... not over.

[babbage]

Run the car on the 2004 ecu, get the tach driver to run the tach on the cluster.
Just swap the 2004 Tbody on the 2009 engine.

The cluster should bolt right up. The 2009 ecu has flex fuel programming in it doesn't it? There is no reason to run the 09 computer. Plus it's a LOT easier to install the 09 engine and use your existing 04 wire harness, add a tach driver and you are good to go! Port match and extrude hone the 09 stock logs before install.

Let us know how it goes.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Run the car on the 2004 ecu, get the tach driver to run the tach on the cluster.
Just swap the 2004 Tbody on the 2009 engine.

The cluster should bolt right up. The 2009 ecu has flex fuel programming in it doesn't it? There is no reason to run the 09 computer. Plus it's a LOT easier to install the 09 engine and use your existing 04 wire harness, add a tach driver and you are good to go! Port match and extrude hone the 09 stock logs before install.

Let us know how it goes.


yeah i was thinking, couldn't you just swap over the long block and not have any problems?

[offroadkarter]

yeah i was thinking, couldn't you just swap over the long block and not have any problems?


Why yes... And that'd be much easier than adding all the 09 stuff like tbw and what not...

[jim geary]

What is drive by wire? For accelerator?

[jdenning002]

What is drive by wire? For accelerator?

2005 and up...

[jdenning002]

Thanks for the input, to answer a few points;

My current motor is not blown, I have 150K miles on it and a slight knock type of noise from 1500-2500 rpm, it weird, its quiet at idle and over 2500 rpm it is gone. The car runs great, especially on the highway. The shop said wrist pin... but who knows.

I don't have any of the 04 CV intake stuff or TB, the motor in the car now is from my 04 MM.

I just need a relaible daily driver, I don't want the hassle of the 3v mustang
conversion.

What does "Port match and extrude hone the 09 stock logs before install." mean?

THANKS.

[ntd]

so you have a dohc 4.6 in there now?

[jdenning002]

so you have a dohc 4.6 in there now?

out of my 04MM with the engine wiring harness from the MM,

also w/ the novi 1200 kit and it is running on the cv computer

[ntd]

why would you want to get ride of the 4v engine for the 2009 2v. Performance wise you will lose power right off the bat. Cost wise your going to need a new tune and whatever customs work needed to use the 09 engine management. Hassle wise your changing your setup around always going to have some bugs that will need to be worked out . Just find yourself another Marauder, Mach1 or Aviator engine or better yet sounds like your engine has some minor damage pull it and send it for a rebuild yours made it almost 150k.

[jdenning002]

I priced rebuilding my motor, too much $$ for me right now. I bought the 09 CVPI complete engine w/ trans, harnesses, pcm, guage cluster, accelerator pedal assy and drive shaft for $2400 shipped, w/ under 16k on it. Vin verified via carfax and oasis, and they are providing a warranty.
.
Like I said, I just need a decent daily driver, I owe nothing on the car right now.

I'd like to rebuild my motor later from the ground up and do the eaton blower.

I found all the info I need on the 2009 on www.motorcraftservice.com (http://www.motorcraftservice.com)

I will be able to run the 09 PCM and just have to make a few splices to use the rest of the 04 stuff in the car. The engine and trans harnesses plug right into the pcm, there are 3 seperate harnesses that plug into the newer 170 pin pcm, I only have to deal with the body harness. The dash cluster looks like it may even end up being mostly plug and play....